It’ll be interesting to see what the humans situation is in the sequel. They’re clearly at a new colony or base - possibly near the seas and oceans to mine more metal or something new in the sea?? Knowing the humans got beat back once you can bet they won’t be as light handed as before. I wonder if humanity has authorised an outright conquest of Pandora after having 13/14 years to plan and prepare? Pumped for the sequel!
@kuzakani42972 жыл бұрын
Im starting to suspect there're some Navi faction that allied with humans.
@JP-qf6vw2 жыл бұрын
@@kuzakani4297 yeah we know a lot of sympathisers we’re allowed to stay and even helped overthrow Hells Gate. The trailer is purposefully ambiguous, just how it should be!
@senorsombrero12752 жыл бұрын
Little Bighorn comes to mind, an entire detatchment of the 7th Cavalry alongside their most senior officer soundly defeated in the field and killed. Didn’t stop the westward expanse, nor the confinement of reservations, nor did it prevent Wounded Knee.
@shakesthespeare2 жыл бұрын
In the trailer we can see that they have more firepower and better tech as seen by more of the big gunships instead of the single one we saw in the first movie. I think there’s probably an underwater/sea prison or research facility as we see some of Sully’s family evacuate from some man made facility that’s being flooded. Also I read somewhere that there’s a ‘general’ of the rda’s security corps that’s been sent to Pandora so it’s for certain that the RDA and humanity is determined to stay on Pandora and seek revenge. And on a final note Stephen Lang is coming back along with his bald sergeant buddy; as avatars…
@shakesthespeare2 жыл бұрын
@@punkrockdavid how is it a prequel? Sully obviously didn't go from being a Na'vi to a Human marine veteran back to being a Na'vi lol the film is literally about his family and his life as a Na'vi following the first film
@ohkabomb9174 жыл бұрын
Why bother understanding them when you can just initiate exterminatus?
@TheShreddedSnorlax4 жыл бұрын
So they can say they tried.
@68spc4 жыл бұрын
I think they would have tried if they could get them to move without force. But it’s easy to expect they wouldn’t move. Watch the deleted scenes to see how else they were gonna show it.
@qifangjenniferfu87674 жыл бұрын
That’s the American way, always has been
@sailor_guy98413 жыл бұрын
@@TheShreddedSnorlax yeah,they ACTUALLY tried to Negotiate but nahh, you know the rest.
@necronlord82742 жыл бұрын
Why bother negotiating with humans if we, necrons, can just blow up Sun, destroy Terra and Astronomicon, and end up causing new Dark Ages? Then just relax and enjoy how human worlds fall to disorder, and how different xenos or Chaos worshippers fight among each other to occupy worlds free of any power?
@theknave19152 жыл бұрын
The biggest mistake the humans made in this movie wasn't destroying hometree. It was following the nav'ii into a battle on the nav'ii's terms where they had more even footing. They forgot one of the cardinal rules of the art of war. There is some ground which should not be contested. See, even with the tribes united they didn't have the strength to overrun the human base. It's too fortified, even with insider knowledge. But because Cameron needed a glamorous final battle they decided that the humans were to lose all faculty of reason and march into a confrontation they weren't prepared for.
@jacksonmctavish82402 жыл бұрын
Well it’s not like the humans just gave up the base either, Nav’ii sympathizers also besieged the base from within and forcing the humans to surrender.
@bungersinyourarea2 жыл бұрын
"If you can't beat them fairly, nuke the shit outa them" -Sun Tzu
@ms4f2 жыл бұрын
well, it is not so uncommon among humans of this day and age, as war for Ukraine just showing us
@jaz1nce9602 жыл бұрын
You're forgetting that they see Nav'ii as monkeys that doesn't have the actual intelligence that humans have. The mistake was due to super underestimation of the race.
@Lord_Sunday2 жыл бұрын
This is a massive misrepresentation. They left the base and met the navi on the field is because their numbers would have overwhelmed the base given a few more weeks.
@Astartes-69692 жыл бұрын
I like Avatar. The only thing I wish is that the story and themes were more subtle and the villains not 1 dimensional.
@jakubukleja25532 жыл бұрын
If you ever meet a mercenary in real life, you'll realise they are exactly as portrayed in this film. One dimensional characters, shooting guns for cash.
@Chillerll2 жыл бұрын
@@jakubukleja2553 If you ever meet a native american you will realize they are not as portrayed in this film
@tomsnowden62012 жыл бұрын
@@MagikMako No he didn't at all. But they aren't just peaceful lovers of nature. I live on a reservation and they are as capitalist as they come, they littler like nobodies business and wouldn't go back to their ancestors ways if we gave them their land back tomorrow. Not to mention they did have many many wars between rival tribes. The main difference, their weaponry was far inferior tho conquering people.
@Chillerll2 жыл бұрын
@@tomsnowden6201 thank you, Hollywood keeps pushing this “noble savage” stereotype. People literally think native Americans were some kind of innocent angels that could never do anything wrong.
@Kingly2422 жыл бұрын
what part of the villain is 1 dimensional? Humanity is dying, the only thing to save it is resources protected by some aliens. Humanity first. Aliens can get fucked
@TheIllusiveMan112 жыл бұрын
One main issue with Avatar's depiction of colonialism is that is does not represent the realities of Native Resistance. If Avatar was accurate to real history, the sad truth is the Na'vi would have been obliterated. The number of countries that managed to stay independent from foreign colonialism or extensive foreign influence in the 18th and 19th century was four: Japan, Thailand, Korea and Ethiopia. Even then, Ethiopia fell to Italy in 1936 and Korea wasn't colonised by Europe because it was under control of either Qing China or Japan. Every other native population that resisted colonial expansion lost. Every. Single. One. Before you point to the Zulus, yes they won a few victories but that was due to incompetence on the part of the British. When the British came in force, the Zulu army was routed. There was one nation that faced European Imperial military power and won completely, that was Ethiopia. Wanna know how they did it? They modernised. They brought modern guns, invited foreign military advisors to train their army, used diplomacy to buy themselves time and implemented government centralization reforms to create a strong state. Thailand was independent because they used careful diplomacy and territorial concessions to preserve their existence and Japan managed to modernzise incredibly quickly. The truth is, the few groups who managed to survive, did not do so because they stuck to their roots and to nature like the Na'vi. In fact, it's the opposite. They survived because they realised sticking to their traditions religiously would doom them, they accepted the changing modern world and took steps to keep up. The Na'vi did not do this.
@anarmedillo84312 жыл бұрын
great points
@TheIllusiveMan112 жыл бұрын
@@anarmedillo8431 Thanks
@amoral_minority2 жыл бұрын
What about Iran? And yeah, agreed. Perhaps we will see some changes in Na'vi way of life in the next film.
@TheIllusiveMan112 жыл бұрын
@@amoral_minority Though nominally independent, in reality Iran was firmly dominated by Britain economically and it was only through years of economic reform and diplomatic work they were able to free themselves
@nodinitiative2 жыл бұрын
Actually, Japan became Westernised, Korea colonised by Japan, Thailand was partially Westernised and you already mention about what happened to Ethiopia.
@ishitrealbad30392 жыл бұрын
if this was realistic; The humans would recruit an enemy tribe of the hometree navi and let them fight a war supported by humans. than the recruited navi would take over hometree and do the bidding of humans. Like a proxy army or a puppet state, sort of.
@TimeMakerDotPH Жыл бұрын
That's what I'm also thinking. The British hired Native American tribes to fight the Colonists. The American War of Independence wasn't just about tax or representation, it's also about the fact that the UK won't allow the Thirteen Colonies to Manifest Destiny westwards. Even though the Brits lost that war, they still continued that strategy and ended up as the largest empire in history. As such, some of its colonies are actually protectorates, having local rulers and autonomy. Had the RDA replicated the British tactics, they could have a better footing in Pandora. Americans usually resort to bombing those who blocked their way back to the stone age but they were never able to end insurgencies (Afghanistan, Iraq, etc.). The Brits on the other hand were great pacifiers, they were able to establish a British-friendly popular government in the jungles of Malaysia and end Communism there, something that the US can't do in Vietnam. Also worth mentioning that after WW2, British and Japanese troops successfully quelled Ho Chi Minh, when Indochina was handed over back to France, the French fvcqed it up, when the French handed it over to the Muricans, they also fvcqed it up.
@Minillus Жыл бұрын
The first point was actually a major factor in the fall of the Aztec Civilization, as many tribes such as the Tlaxcaltecas (Idk how to spell it in English) were their enemies for a considerable amount of time. In fact, one of the main reasons the Spanish colonists managed to defeat the Aztecs was because they formed an alliance with most of their enemies. So yeah, the idea of an enemy Na'Vi tribe forming an "alliance" with the sky people isn't that far stretched
@JudgeDreddMegaCityOne2 жыл бұрын
I walked away when he was saying "I might just give you a big wet kiss. I'll do it with minimal casualties..." it took me a second to realize there had been a scene transition
@deeznutz6792 жыл бұрын
After all he is called papa dragon
@deeznutz6792 жыл бұрын
After all he is called papa dragon
@captainmarvelwilson5087 жыл бұрын
Everysingle performance in this movie is one note.
@WJstudios047 жыл бұрын
Because of James Cameron
@bancoran3 жыл бұрын
@Twiddly Stosh Yeah, "Pop Goes The Weasel"
@ashleighelizabeth59162 жыл бұрын
@@WJstudios04 yep. I give him props for his talents but being subtle is not one of those talents. His movies ALL have a huge political agenda that he just clubs you over the head with repeatedly.
@bancoran2 жыл бұрын
Yes, B flat.
@captainmarvelwilson5082 жыл бұрын
@@ashleighelizabeth5916 His Terminator movies and Aliens had no political agendas thrown in.
@The_Story_Of_Us2 жыл бұрын
Dude, I love how even Quaritch standing in front of his corporate boss Selfridge (nice name by the way, selfish) talking about how it is ”humane” to tear gas the indigenous people out of their homeland and destroy it for money has Selfridge looking bored like he just wants to shoot them all and be done with it… EDIT: Selfridge is more so just uncomfortable doing it, but then of course in the next scene he's like shouting and calling them "fly-bitten savages" and justifying his choice, desperately making excuses for why the act won't actually hurt them. It's Quaritch who's after blood, Selfridge just has a boss and he doesn't have the integrity to do anything out of his place.
@OakenRoot2 жыл бұрын
From what i gathered in deleted scenes he seems a bit regretful it has come to this. Sure he's a pencil pusher for a corporation trying to make a profit (and save the human race), but in the end he has some humanity and doesn't wish suffering upon others.
@The_Story_Of_Us2 жыл бұрын
@@OakenRoot an example of detached corporate stooges who are so profit driven that they’ll marginalize and dehumanize the people they exploit, but if they come face to face with the extent of violence and suffering they cause, suddenly it’s not so easy is it? At least for some, others are so psychotic they enjoy the subjugation. Ultimately conscience does not win out with Selfridge. It might in the future installments, he is reappearing and Jim Cameron did say he was quite impressed with Giovannni’s performance.
@OakenRoot2 жыл бұрын
@@The_Story_Of_Us I hope so. I have a soft spot for characters with redemption arcs, makes it seem like people can change given a second chance. I absolutely love Giovanni Ribisi probably one the most underrated actors in Hollywood.
@jamesbutler88212 жыл бұрын
i get the impressiom he just wants to deliver product and is irritated that all this drama has arrived.
@hegaliandialectics42892 жыл бұрын
@@OakenRoot No it wasn’t because he had humanity it’s because in the movie its noted that the people of earth understand the situation and a complete bloodbath looks bad at home. It’s literally modern imperialism. Do effectively the same shit but make it look nice.
@henryviii32642 жыл бұрын
The final product is a pretty one note movie but the deleted scenes and lore reveal some very interesting aspects of the humans reason for being on Pandora isn't just about money: Humanity was facing an energy crisis that threatened to end all human life. This is going to sound somewhat apologist for their actions but colored in a more complicated light the situation becomes a lot less black and white. Does humanity have the right to strip another species of their ancestral land if by doing so they could guarentee their own survival? I think you could make that argument. This added condition also makes it more complex than the European colonialism its clearly framed upon, where the focus is money. The movie goes to great lengths talking about how valuable unobtainium is, but I suspect the moral complexity was cut out so as to not undercut the morality of out protagonist. If you think about it, had the movie kept everything but the explanation for the unobtainium the same, the story would be of a man who betrays his entire race and dooms them to an agonizing fate for the sake of a whirlwind romance. Not as cheerful isn't it?
@user-pm2b47ar8d2 жыл бұрын
Isn't the deleted scene all in the extended version?
@brmbkl2 жыл бұрын
"reveal some very interesting aspects of the humans reason for being on Pandora isn't just about money: Humanity was facing an energy crisis " same thing
@precious34092 жыл бұрын
"the story would be of a man who betrays his entire race and dooms them to an agonizing fate for the sake of a whirlwind romance" more like the story of a man who defends a civilization whos ecosystem hasn't been ruined by themselves from another civilization who destroyed their own environment and ecosystem then justifies their sacking of the civilization by saying they had no choice because of a situation they got themselves into anyway. your understanding of this movie is really shallow. you say its "colored in a more complicated light the situation becomes a lot less black and white" yet the conclusion of your paragraph seems to be the definition of black and white. colonialist humans good, blue human guy bad.
@Rhino-Prime2 жыл бұрын
@@brmbkl Yeah except if they run out of energy millions will die hell maybe billions sense humans are clearly space faring in avatar
@pearshaped91162 жыл бұрын
I mean we’d have no right to sack another species planet to bail out abhorrent asses out, but we’ll probably do it anyway in the distant future
@clarence_claymore.2 жыл бұрын
Avatar a movie about a guy selling out his entire species just so he could clap some alien cheeks
@Unadvised88492 жыл бұрын
Simp moment
@ishitrealbad30392 жыл бұрын
a true weeb, no doubt.
@paysmenot2624 Жыл бұрын
Relatable
@TovenDo.O.Video- Жыл бұрын
He was right
@aex9516 Жыл бұрын
Bro watched Avatar with earbuds in
@user-dd8vo7or2d4 жыл бұрын
So basically future Brits in space huh
@AllThingsCubey4 жыл бұрын
Na'Avi, hearing British Grenadiers coming over the treetops: "well shit..."
@alexanderrodger89894 жыл бұрын
But didn't the Americans slaughter lots of natives too, during the 18th century?
@alexanderrodger89894 жыл бұрын
T N I’m sure the British, French and Spanish colonials all killed Natives, but I was told the early American government slaughtered the most.
@davidscoltock39704 жыл бұрын
Alexander Rodger the Brits allied and supported native tribes against thier enemies. The idea was the same principle as India, support friendly regimes, ger what we want from them and keep them in power. The Americans threw that out straight after independence and went on a genocidal killibg spree. Compare how natives where treated in canada to how they where treated in the states
@daniluchison4 жыл бұрын
Nope, pure American corporate capitalism at its best. The Brist only went so far, the Americans took the torch and took it to the next level. Next? The Chinese. They override local cultures (as africans are starting to understand and Tibetans discovered since the 50s) to decimation levels.
@nasigoreng39455 жыл бұрын
If guys wanna know that Avatar is happening in real life, in our time. Look up at the biggest and heavily armed guarded gold mine in West Papua Indonesia.
@deltadeltus57884 жыл бұрын
Also, we are making our environment more and more similar to what shown in the beginning, full of pollution and no greenery
@mhazg66212 жыл бұрын
Shutup?
@mhazg66212 жыл бұрын
But thats pretty real dude XD.
@fadillah60142 жыл бұрын
Maybe the only difference between Navi and insurgents in Papua they less care about nature and they more brute to each other.
@raincore802 жыл бұрын
There is no scenario you can come up where the humans are good. They are not being kicked out for being humans they are being kicked out for being leaches and trying to get something that isn't theirs.
@Dasistrite2 жыл бұрын
PURGE THE XENOS! FOR THE EMPEROR!
@micahsheldon55575 жыл бұрын
Here is a classic example of why I love Quaritch. He's still the bad guy, but he's a logical, fair, humane bad guy. He doesn't hate the Na'vi. But from his perspective there's no way to protect his boys and shield the Na'vi from destruction. He carefully shows his thinking and then chooses the least violent objectives that still fulfill his mission. Fantastic character
@Ned-nw6ge4 жыл бұрын
Yup. Glad to see this wasn't a cardboard cutout of the cliché trigger happy racist (or in this case specisist?) character that wants the win-win situation of his enemies gone and all unobtainium they can mine.
@deltadeltus57884 жыл бұрын
Why did his boys destroyed the tree of voices intentionally?
@whenyoupulloutyourdickands40232 жыл бұрын
@@deltadeltus5788 Because the tree is sitting on top the largest ore deposit of unobtanium.
@deltadeltus57882 жыл бұрын
@@whenyoupulloutyourdickands4023 I'm enquiring the ethical side.
@bloodraven11902 жыл бұрын
@@deltadeltus5788 ethics go out the window when the fate of your entire race lies in the balance, and I don't mean the blue skinned troglodytes either, Humanity always comes first, EARTH always comes first.
@jeremiahpickens50482 жыл бұрын
Agreed. He was one of my favorite characters in Avatar. Can't wait to see how he is in Avatar 2 .
@MeinGoobbyXValorant2 жыл бұрын
0:56 That line made me laugh hard at the theaters Goddamn lmao
@water13742 жыл бұрын
Rookie mistake. You're suppose to give them guns and Christianity.
@sealion20292 жыл бұрын
Then when they refuse it, destroy them. That’s conquering 101.
@wahabeez2 жыл бұрын
Your supposed to pin tribes against each other and then take over the other tribe in the name of defense of the tribe you signed a treaty with
@bjehulk2 жыл бұрын
Imagine if they were able to convert the Na’vi to Christianity. The ultimate good ending
@kyaryi1 Жыл бұрын
@@bjehulk So they can believe in their fictional god instead of their real Eywa? Lmao
@bjehulk Жыл бұрын
@@kyaryi1 Eywa is a false god and at best, is a sentient creature who is manipulative or at worst, a literal demon
@Ned-nw6ge3 жыл бұрын
I wonder what the RDA would've thought about the Na'vi if the Na'vi would've had a society on the level of innovation and 'civilization' comparable to for example ancient Greece, Rome or Persia, having built their own cities, roads etc. Would they've been seen as less savage but still underdeveloped?
@viktormravcik2 жыл бұрын
Bruh, ancient Greece? Not even close...
@jemert962 жыл бұрын
Civilisations can develop in different ways. Use of technology is just one aspect. There is also the level of (political) organization, hierarchy, moral system, laws, artistry, care for nature, metaphysics and philosophy to consider. So saying that the Na'vi are underdeveloped just because the humans have more bombs is a little short-sighted. If Might Makes Right, then any civ with the most weapons is the most civilized I guess
@viktormravcik2 жыл бұрын
@@jemert96 to be honest, their civilization is as our human civilization 10 000 years BC, haunting and not even farming, so compared to Ancient Greece and Rome when people knew that the planet is not flat is quite pathetic
@Tate5252 жыл бұрын
@@viktormravcik I mean the Navi's aren't even that intelligent, they refer the humans as sky people, when they actually come from planet of their own. They probably think humans live somewhere in the sky lmao
@miniaturejayhawk87022 жыл бұрын
@@jemert96 yeah no. All those other things come witj technology. If anytjing is short sighted it is your argument.
@zyzzsdisciples6707 Жыл бұрын
The only reason Avatar 2 took so long is because the makers were trying to create a plot where the humans don’t just come back and nuke the big tropical tree their entire civilisation is based around
@informationball1435 Жыл бұрын
Still they kinda got nuked 🤡
@jetzul712 Жыл бұрын
It's already been explained in this very movie that guided warheads, nukes, etc, don't work especially well due to the intense magnetic field and the random positions of the hallelujah mountains. And don't forget that in this movie, they weren't fighting an army - they were fighting a company with a militia. Also if you want to colonise a planet or place, you don't nuke the land you want to live on - the aftermath will just kill you too
@Snp2024 Жыл бұрын
@@jetzul712 i say fuck it bomb the whole planet send those monkeys to hell. Good riddance
@darkfyre1618 Жыл бұрын
@@Snp2024 You better pray that no advanced aliens will come to earth and enslave us. See how it feels, bıtch
@ssgus36822 жыл бұрын
The sequel if done right would just be orbital bombardment of the planet.
@boogaloobomber98892 жыл бұрын
Wouldn't work. Planets too big, population spread too far. Think of a different solution.
@Baconator56422 жыл бұрын
@@boogaloobomber9889 Realistically take about 200 gunships, completely obliterate the natives, movie over
@boogaloobomber98892 жыл бұрын
@@Baconator5642 You severely overestimate the power of weapons. 200 ships for a whole planet? Do you know how big planets are? Apparently not.
@Baconator56422 жыл бұрын
@@boogaloobomber9889 they have stone age technology versus rocket pods and chainguns, but yeah you're right my bad
@boogaloobomber98892 жыл бұрын
@@Baconator5642 You overestimate the importance of technology in wars. If you want an example of a technologically advanced foe being beaten by a basically stone age society, here you go: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Isandlwana And remember: Pandora is neither Kansas nor Africa ;)
@thesnoopmeistersnoops51672 жыл бұрын
Dances With Smurfs In Space.
@druunderwood56022 жыл бұрын
Raised by Smurfs.
@johnaverill63082 жыл бұрын
Oh smurf yeah your comment made me smurf so smurfing hard
@druunderwood56022 жыл бұрын
@@johnaverill6308 Roger Papa Smurf heading back to the barn.
@GreyMASTA2 жыл бұрын
Avatar is early colonialism, the few humans on Pandora at still stuck at the settlement/ outpost stage. A far cry from being post colonial
@mivapusa Жыл бұрын
"Alien, you have been here on this world for thousands of generations. Where are your works of art? Your monuments? What achievements can you boast that are not wrought by your parasitic hivemind? Your culture is stagnant, your lives immobile and cowed by the thought of development. Where is your medicine? Your science? You had your chance, but chose to lay in the shade rather than to build. Now, Man will build."
@alceratops6853 Жыл бұрын
Today: It's 2023! Be better! 2154: This bulls*it
@GwPoKo2 жыл бұрын
I wish we had a deleted scene where Jake gets that promised big wet kiss :-*
@nicholaswalsh44622 жыл бұрын
Understanding the enemy is key to victory. A lot of folks have the opinion that the humans are wrong and the Navi'i are good. I don't think it's that simple. Both sides have valid, logical, and justifiable reasons for their positions in this conflict. Humanity has a very simple goal. It is the same goal that has driven human conflict for 10,000 years. The desire for resources. Think about it. The primary motivating factor for deep space exploration isn't science anymore. It hasn't been for decades. Astronomical research doesn't pay well enough to cover the vast expenses involved. What will pay for deep space exploration is rare mineral mining and Pandora is, quite literally, a treasure trove of it. Unobtanium is a game changer for technology, since it is a room temperature superconductor. It's woth $20 million a kilo in its unrefined state, easily justifying massive expenditures of capital and even human lives to secure access to it. From the human perspective, their interests are far more important than those of the Navi'i or the scientists. The Navi'i have a simpler and more relatable position. The land is theirs. It's their home. And they will, justifiably, fight to the death to defend it. However, at the end of the day, the humans have the upper hand. Sure, they've lost Round 1. Lost a lot of men and a lot of material doing it. But the population of Earth could be over 11 billion by 2100. Possibly even larger by 2154, when the film takes place. Earth has not just the economic power but also the political, social, and corporate will to send ships light years away from Earth, loaded with hundreds of personnel and massive amounts of equipment. They aren't about to tuck tail and abandon the resources there. Instead, what's gonna happen is far, far worse. The RDA appears to be an American company, formed in Silicon Valley and with mostly American senior personnel on Pandora. Many of their security personnel appear to be former US military. What this means is that the RDA shareholders will demand Uncle Sam do something and, as it has done countless times before, the United States Military will bomb the shit out of the Navi'i, allowing the RDA to return and collect the mineral resources they want. Given that the Navi'i had no way to destroy the Venture Star or an intention to do so, it is possible, even plausible, that all 12 ISV ships could be requisitioned by the military. That or the military could have access to their own interstellar ships, which would enable the transportation of large quantities of trained military personnel to Pandora. From there, a campaign of extermination is possible. Being almost 7 years away from Earth, the only news getting out will be what the Military decides gets out. The Navi'i will be exterminated or, at the very least, driven from areas that the Humans want. Earth will get the unobtanium. The only question is how many more people will die before it happens.
@catsndogs982 жыл бұрын
In a hundred and thirty years...anything is possible. You are right. In a reasonable thought process this makes sense. But hey gotta cheer for the blue naked people.
@somerandomnoob58592 жыл бұрын
@@catsndogs98 Why cheer for the blue monkeys tho?
@Fr0st19892 жыл бұрын
We'll see in the sequel but I doubt the director will let the humans win
@nicholaswalsh44622 жыл бұрын
@@Fr0st1989 you're right. After all, everyone loves an underdog story.
@boogaloobomber98892 жыл бұрын
I think you underestimate how hard it would be to exterminate the Naavi. The US military failed in Vietnam, they failed in Afghanistan and they will most certainly fail on Pandora. Why? Because Pandora is a huge, huge, huge Planet, covered in thick rainforest with plants, animals and geography largely unknown to humans. The US deployed half a million troops in Vietnam, a place much smaller than Pandora and much closer too. They still lost. Sure you can use orbital bombs, but that won't kill all the Naavi. The planets to big for that. And to control the area and actually mine you have to send troops down. They would then be met with fierce resistance (once again).
@fourtwenty69792 жыл бұрын
They left out the part where under Quaritch's governorship they got reliable access to clean water, hospitals, schools, roads and railroads.
@PanzerMold2 жыл бұрын
Protection from wildlife, that no matter how much you respect, is still actively killing you. Way to undersell Humanity Jake.
@boogaloobomber98892 жыл бұрын
Yeah, and they neither wanted nor needed that. So now it's time to kill 'em? Wtf
@benyseus63252 жыл бұрын
Which they didn’t want because they didn’t have a use for it and don’t want to industrialize. A foreign race cannot give all their advanced technology to a lesser advanced race, the Prime Directive forbids it.
@magnem10432 жыл бұрын
Lets not forget Freedom and Democracy
@kyaryi1 Жыл бұрын
@@magnem1043 They already had freedom and a simple form of democracy. Clean water is also not a problem in the Avatar world, since leaves catch a lot of drinkable water with their gigantic size. Streets. For what? So their ikrans can have a smoother landing?
@MrMexijorge7 жыл бұрын
The company mining that precious metal in Pandora it's similar to the East Indias Company of the British Empire. And that way to consider the Na'vi as no humans it's also how the europeans empires treat the natives they conquered.
@ragnarok52086 жыл бұрын
Na'vi aren't humans to begin with
@MrMexijorge6 жыл бұрын
Na´vi are people
@khristiec68634 жыл бұрын
The thing is Western people keep comparing this movie to the British colonialism. But reality is this is more relatable to.today with major corporations similar to the fictional RDA causing mass scale deforestation, mining off coal and gold. This thing is happening right now
@sempermilites874 жыл бұрын
I'll read a quote that I listened to in an awesome Battletech video I watched. "If the Inner Sphere (Humanity) has any constant it is this.....We are our own worst enemy."
@jeremyjames70094 жыл бұрын
And now Britain is being colonized.
@thatguy10802 жыл бұрын
I didn't like this movie nearly as much as I wanted to. I knew even back then that it was gonna be a generic "nature wins over human technology" plot (even though the RDA should by all rights decimate the Na'vi), and learning about the alternate cut ending makes me wish we got that instead.
@Assassino2752 жыл бұрын
Tell me about this alternate cut ending
@thatguy10802 жыл бұрын
@@Assassino275 to put it simply, there is an alternative ending where the RDA won the final battle and the main characters were hunted down and killed. There was no magical animal horde to save the day, and that willow tree was uprooted. Humanity got their unobtainium. This ending apparently didn't go over well with the test audiences.
@Assassino2752 жыл бұрын
@@thatguy1080 see we need more endings like that...Getting sick of seeing "the good guy wins"
@hegaliandialectics42892 жыл бұрын
that would have been a depressing ending. Humanity destroyed earth and then begins the process anew on another planet.
@juliandacosta68412 жыл бұрын
@@thatguy1080 this alternate cut reminds me a lot of don't look up, which I thought had a fantastic ending.
@anarchistangler2 жыл бұрын
That army commander was the man.
@rhysnichols86082 жыл бұрын
Always consider the colonels motives….humanity is dying and NEEDS this resource to survive, time is limited, he has a huge responsibility to humanity being in charge of the security of the mining operation. This is why he is eager to take action, time is of the essence and human survival always comes first. Yes it’s our fault we fucked up our planet and I sympathise with the natives on Pandora, but given the circumstances I can fully see the colonels harsh attitude. Humanities survival is a stake and people are jeprodisring it for the sake of giving human rights to a bunch of savage Stone Age level blue people. Displacing say 300 natives from their home is bad….but humanity dying is much much worse. Pick one!
@The_Story_Of_Us2 жыл бұрын
human survival isn’t on the line, it’s literally corporate profit, they spell it the fuck out for you in the movie. It’s literally just ”rock make big big money lol”
@rhysnichols86082 жыл бұрын
@@The_Story_Of_Us No in the expanded lore it’s stated the resource is essential for energy production on earth, given its huge magnetic properties. It also sells for huge profit but it’s vital
@The_Story_Of_Us2 жыл бұрын
@@rhysnichols8608 it’s only vital as a resource to consume in their neverending, useless growth. A superconductor doesn’t solve an energy crisis. There is no specific amount that they’ll settle for, they’ll get the resource, make stuff with it and then go back for more because it’s profitable. Why do you event think there is an energy crisis, it’s literally because of them! Humanity fucks up its own planet (correction, greedy corporations like RDA fucks up the planet) and that gives them the right to rape another planet’s land in totality under the threat of violence? They’re not travelling through interstellar space and raping an innocent, indiginous population of humanoid peoples because it’s the only way to save their people, they’re doing it because it’s the only way to do so (in the short term) while still churning out a massive profit for their goddamn greedy executives and shareholders already holding stakes in the monopolized, most massive private corporation on the planet and avoiding any and all culpability for their role in creating that very problem for themselves in the first place. If this movie can’t convince you of this even when it outright TELLS YOU that shareholder profit is their primary motive, I can’t help you.
@ltenclavesoldier92802 жыл бұрын
@@The_Story_Of_Us beta male communist
@aurorafox12832 жыл бұрын
@@The_Story_Of_Us why do u think its costing so much? Because its important and luxury, like electricity. Without it most humans now would turn into animals in our reality. Even on earth people dont want to live like Na'Vi or how they were spelled
@unowno1232 жыл бұрын
it seems this comment section is still alive for some reason, people should realise that the movie's ending was changed due to test viewers not liking the ending, in the origional ending (which was designed to make part 2 and part 3 of the movie) the navi were overrun and there was no magical beast heard storm that whiped the humans from the area its going to be interesting how they will adapt the origional story, as part 2 was not meant to continue on the assumption that the humans lost
@mrsupremegascon2 жыл бұрын
Pretty sure they had plenty of time to adapt the story.
@unowno1232 жыл бұрын
@@mrsupremegascon true, but they had the triology written out from the start, which was pretty interesting considering they had to take such a drastic turn on the first ending for the sake of the viewers
@leolos52812 жыл бұрын
In this scifi universe, 20 billion people back on earth are counting on the RDA to mine as much unobtanium as possible to save humanity from extinction. In this case, any means would be justified.
@YouTubeUserTYUIOPREWQ2 жыл бұрын
The Humans loving the RDA are the Agressors. We can find other ways or methods to sustain 20 Billion Humans. They have Sea Weed Farms for Food and Humans can build Solar Energy Plants for Energy or Ocean Powered Plants. The RDA could have went to a Desert in Pandora for Oil or Minerals and far away from Navi Tribes If anything lol
@badrukk1432 жыл бұрын
Yep i was rooting for the humans since i watched the first movie when i was 12 years old.
@bloodraven11902 жыл бұрын
Yeah, agreed. Its not like the RDA really had a choice.
@The_Story_Of_Us2 жыл бұрын
no they’re not…. They’re mining SPACE ROCK to sell for profit, that doesn’t solve anything. That’s like saying Elon Musk going to a fucking asteroid to mine precious minerals is gonna save the human race, it’s nonsense. What do you think, that this somehow makes more money appear from thin air to spend on climate initiatives or something?… They literally state in the movie that it’s just to make money. If the fate of humanity were on the line, you think they wouldn’t feed that narrative to their soldiers every second of every day? No, it’s literally just ”this job is gonna earn you a fat check.”
@bloodraven11902 жыл бұрын
@@The_Story_Of_Us Unobtainium has INSANE superconducting capabilites, its explained in the movie why its so important. Its extremely rare and there is a SHIT TON on that jungle hellscape. They're trying to solve an energy crisis that Earth previously had no answer for.
@apastafarian50512 жыл бұрын
Let's be xenophobic, it's really in this year!
@integrags12 жыл бұрын
That blue alien must have some bomb punany to betray the human race
@Marylandbrony2 жыл бұрын
Did anyone else think this was going to be some kind of hour long video essay that ends basically with “capitalism bad”
@hobomike69352 жыл бұрын
But is it though
@yummyyum46262 жыл бұрын
@@hobomike6935 it's been working for centuries, don't see it going away anytime soon.
@christianriddler50632 жыл бұрын
Capitalism is kind of bad though, pretty much the same end results as communism.
@hobomike69352 жыл бұрын
@@yummyyum4626 no that’s why I said “but is it though” lol It has bad flaws but seems to work better than state-controlled finance
@TheGeoCheese2 жыл бұрын
@@yummyyum4626 it only works as long as there aren’t any entities that aim to control the markets. However in today’s capitalist market there are too many entities aiming to control the markets. That’s when capitalism becomes… toxic.
@IsleOfFeldspar2 жыл бұрын
I don’t know how you can have a sequel at all. The company would come back and wipe out the ‘savages’ from orbit. Game over.
@dermittelfinger59032 жыл бұрын
Since they are fighting over a room temperature superconductor, you are absolutely right. This would be such a valuable asset that genozid would be considered an inconvenience instead of a reason to not nuke the shit out of them.
@druunderwood56022 жыл бұрын
“I say we take off and nuke the entire site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.”
@markusspecht50412 жыл бұрын
And lose their mining licenses and monopolies over. Which results in them losing everything. Yeah smart move.
@Thedarkknight22442 жыл бұрын
Just pretend the company is America. America too has access to nukes, but they’d never use them, in Iraq they used good old fashioned invasion tactics, and then guerrilla insurgents made it hell for them
@magnem10432 жыл бұрын
They burned the forests and now they are using the seas, so its different "The movie"
@alphacentauri30692 жыл бұрын
Humanity needs unobtainium to survive. They did everything they could to strike a deal with the Na'vi. when no other option was available, they used force, and still did it humanely with minimal casualties. Humans are doing what they have to in order to survive. If the Na'vi get in the way and make a nuisance of themselves then purge the xenos
@___Laura52 жыл бұрын
Humans should have thought about it before they ruined Earth, you're not allowed to use force just because you need it to survive. It's egoistic and immoral, because other sentient beings are losing their lives, health, or place to live. I would join the Na'vi just like Jake
@alphacentauri30692 жыл бұрын
@@___Laura5 if you adhere to an evolutionary worldview, then the humans are completely justified. The strong win, the weak die.
@___Laura52 жыл бұрын
@@alphacentauri3069 as humans, we also evolved from the evolutionary to moral, so that's what I adhere to. It's not justified, because it's still hurting others, and people should have tried harder not to damage Earth to the point of needing unobtainium. It doesn't happen overnight. I would do anything in my power not to lead to the environmental situation humans are at in the movie. Humans are the aggressors. Na'vi world gave everything to Jake he needed (the values, sense of community etc.) and he couldn't get that on Earth (he could have the legs, but at the cost of damaging Pandora). I would specifically go on that mission to become Na'vi.
@declanmcnamara22232 жыл бұрын
its the Na’vi’s planet! were the invaders!
@bastobasto48662 жыл бұрын
@@___Laura5 " because it's still hurting others" Doesn't make it immoral "and people should have tried harder not to damage Earth to the point of needing unobtainium" doesn't matter
@khandovarbalest13692 жыл бұрын
Do I think the well-being (not to be confused with broadly defined prosperity) of mankind trumps the smurfs that needed M1 Abrams' worth of plot armor and a help of a Smurfette simp, to beat a buzz-cut Gargamel? I lean yes, any questions?
@jasperzanovich25042 жыл бұрын
Yes, that is the point where their precious morals fail. I would make them a tombstone which reads "I was right".
@jebcar96182 жыл бұрын
If yall really think they gonna be depicting humans as winners in the sequel I can tell you now you're wrong.
@thethirdsicily48022 жыл бұрын
I can dream, can't I?
@zainm5919 Жыл бұрын
they have like 4 sequels tho they could have the humans win twice and still have the blue ppl win in the end
@avronthecorrupted27812 жыл бұрын
I’ve noticed something when it comes to people discussing the Avatar movie, there are two groups. The people that love the movie even with its flaws of which some choose to critic the movie with those flaws justifiably so and the people that spend too much time playing warhammer 40k, I’m just stating the obvious. But in all seriousness I wonder why it’s so divided in that sense, like literal black and white contrast when it comes to the groups that watched this movie.
@hegaliandialectics42892 жыл бұрын
Because its an obvious movie about imperialism and humans destroying a arguably heaven like dream scape of a planet. It reminds people too much of our own very real actions, our actions towards our own planet and people. Pile on the sci fi future element and the fact that in the movie humanity has not really changed its pretty depressing. So you have one group that realizes this and appreciates the simple message and good cgi. And the other than dig further into their ideals to avoid the uncomfortable nature of their lives and government.
@kiwibob2232 жыл бұрын
Because it's one group that thinks about right and wrong and a second group of powerless man-children living out their fantasy's of dominance. " No one will take my lunch money if I have chainsaw sword" People outside these two groups have better stuff to do.
@odinatra2 жыл бұрын
I guess "both sides are assholes" like me are just quiet. Humans are anti-villains - their circumstances force them into drastic immoral actions. Na'vi are stagnant and xenophobic soicety, who would honestly let everybody from outside their group die, yet, their actions are morally right.
@thekrampuselbananoquevivee99472 жыл бұрын
@@hegaliandialectics4289 you are mistaken
@garpogods83232 жыл бұрын
@@hegaliandialectics4289 the 40k fans also see the clear message Space Pocahontas wants to teach. They also think humanity is justified in taking it after it was clear negotiations failed. No group on Earth is innocent from committing atrocities. If you want to go on a much less philosophical level, having a kickass intergalactic empire is cool as hell and Scifi fans of one setting will naturally watch others.
@brandonwilkinson5870 Жыл бұрын
The worst thing the sky people done was invade Pandora I felt sorry for the navi
@thehood-nv7xl2 жыл бұрын
I love how the argument to lunch a giant military operation is a diary of some guy that has no importance in terms of hierarchy.
@wahabeez2 жыл бұрын
It's been years since I watched it but the context I think was that he and the doctor were sent to determine if there could be some way to diplomatically mine under hometree
@vassalofthenight99452 жыл бұрын
The "some guy" was an insider operative sent to gather intelligence about the natives over the course of several months, so that he could size up and judge the willingness to cooperate and threat level presented by the natives - and so his opinion was the single most informed piece of data they had. I find it reasonable they would make a decision based on it, especially so given how the higher ups were getting impatient with lack of progress and wanted a quick resolution of the issue
@alexanderrodger89894 жыл бұрын
I thought Unobtainium, you know, "that little grey rock" was more important for the humans to get their hands on. What reason do they have to destroy the Hometree? And for that matter, why would the natives stop the humans from getting their hands on a rock which they don't care for?
@soulenoid67014 жыл бұрын
cause mining fucks up the landscape
@deltadeltus57884 жыл бұрын
Why shouldn't the humans extract the floating mountains? They're floating because the magnetic properties of unobtanium repell with the magnetic field of pandora. This is my genuine doubt. I hope that someone will answer this
@deltadeltus57884 жыл бұрын
@dan p Well I see that it has another reason, to frighten the na'vi, to show the power and brutality of the humans
@Ned-nw6ge3 жыл бұрын
@@deltadeltus5788 I think the flying mountains would be too dangerous to mine. A because it's the natural habitat of the carnivorous banshees the Na'vi fly on, and B because due to the magnetic field, the machines needed to mine the resources would have to be handled manually, as the magnetic field messes with sensors, cameras and autopilots.
@kawaii_milkshake21603 жыл бұрын
@@Ned-nw6ge also it's a environmental risk as they wouldn't be able to guess if mining unobtainiun would cause the mountains to fall or something.
@user-qd3lc7zb6n2 жыл бұрын
If only they made a orbital strike :(
@SpaceHobo42 Жыл бұрын
The directors cut of this film makes Zack Snynerds cut look like gold.
@hector58512 жыл бұрын
Sounds like the start of a typical mining operation in South America and Africa. Nothing new.
@Iron-Bridge2 жыл бұрын
The problem is the N'avi didn't have a mothership linking other units that could be infected by a virus sent through Windows 95. 🤓
@Bigjunk99992 жыл бұрын
Such a shame the good guys lost in this movie.
@hegaliandialectics42892 жыл бұрын
rip bozozs lmao
@advictoriam42662 жыл бұрын
They’ll come back with nukes and finish the job
@reicelestial24782 жыл бұрын
I don't get it didn't the aliens win this one?
@jacko24372 жыл бұрын
@@reicelestial2478 Yes, the bad guys won. Humanity is essentially left to die after this.
@reicelestial24782 жыл бұрын
@@jacko2437 i fail to see how that's a bad thing
@fastertrackcreative Жыл бұрын
The hometree destruction scene is heartbreaking 😭
@Jumbjetsky Жыл бұрын
Basically what the USA has been doing to all other countries.
@peterh28282 жыл бұрын
Hell yeah! Purge the Alien! For the Emperor!
@viarnay2 жыл бұрын
This guy did the best role in the whole movie, period.
@StrayHydraBlade Жыл бұрын
SAVAGES SAVAGES! ~Disney's pocahontas
@soul1d2 жыл бұрын
Honestly the next time RDA comes back, they should just drop some stuff from orbit and call it a day. Clear a couple hundred miles for a landing zone
@squiddle51932 жыл бұрын
Well...humanity was facing certain extinction and yet they still tried diplomacy first. Understandably, they should have refrained from ostracizing the locals from their obviously spiritually significant homestead. This could have been avoided with proper communication, which the Na'vi were unwilling to engange in. A shame they got psyopped by their sentient tree hivemind.
@boogaloobomber98892 жыл бұрын
Lol. If someone breaks into your house and tried to go for "diplomacy" to get their hands on your stuff, you'd be pissed too.
@kevinhenrique42562 жыл бұрын
@@boogaloobomber9889 huh if Someone Breaks into my House Literally Starving with signs of it and Still Trying to negotiate the food instead of Stealing i Would be suprised actually
@lithuaniaball2 жыл бұрын
@@kevinhenrique4256 a lot of door kickers are skinny crackheads. you can't negotiate with people who are so desperate they're willing to hurt you. being in a bad spot doesn't ever give you the right to take from someone else.
@cheesedtomeetyou80072 жыл бұрын
@@kevinhenrique4256 Have you ever considered that the humans maybe just didn't bother to change their obviously faulty systems they live in and instead just went for the easy way out with "just get more somewhere else"? A lot of you just take it at face value that humans have no other choice, but our current systems are also clearly not well-equipped for crisises or the long-term without makimg thd world a lot more worse to live on, and I doubt that a movie like Avatar would not create a similarity like that when it has already been obvious since ages that the modern capitalist and industrial world only works by destroying the future and exploiting the present
@lentlemenproductions7702 жыл бұрын
@@cheesedtomeetyou8007 You’re right and you should say it.
@chriswyatt98692 жыл бұрын
Stephen Lang would have made a perfect Cable back then
@a.m115582 жыл бұрын
I saw this in the cinemas when it came out and had a crush on Sigourney’s character (i was a kid) not understanding why I thought she was attractive. Now as an adult man I just realise I had good taste haha
@arisu73974 жыл бұрын
They don't want to move we gave them the big boom next.
@darthdingus74394 жыл бұрын
Every time I watch Avatar, I'm hoping to watch an alternate cut where the humans win. A more realistic answer.
@mitchellneuhoff99464 жыл бұрын
Darth Dingus Yeah well you can keep on hoping I had to tell you this man about when you have a goddess on your side you can control and make all the creatures on the world attack you like you’re a virus in someone’s immune system there’s no way around it and before you say they could always knock the planet that would destroy the unobtainium
@deltadeltus57884 жыл бұрын
It will not happen. We are evil. We destroy life. We only look for profit at the expense of chaos and destruction. What would be the fate of the planet if the humans had won the battle? It would be beyond comprehension. Humans would treated the na'vi like slaves, cutting down all the holy trees (like tree of souls), they would have converted that planet to the earth we saw in the beginning of the film
@alexanderbeychuk36743 жыл бұрын
Mitchell Neuhoff What about chemical/biological weapons though?
@Ned-nw6ge3 жыл бұрын
Nah, this ending is better imo. The Na'vi only 'won' because enormous numbers of wildlife showed up at the last moment. Until then they were getting hammered by the RDA despite outnumbering the humans. Plus, the humans winning would've made a predictable plot even more predictable.
@necronlord82742 жыл бұрын
Well, in this case any intelligent species who has developed more than humans are justified to attack Solar System and destroy the core of humanity, and start seeking human-populated worlds. Guilt-free extermination war.
@sitisarah826 Жыл бұрын
1:49 is like war between human & terminator
@DonoZeek2 жыл бұрын
The stupid thing I don't like about the movie was that no one. I repeat, no one. Listen to the actual scientists. No one. Heck, when the Top Scientist explain the truth of the Hometree, they called her crazy. I hate this.
@Tap02 Жыл бұрын
This is why if aliens are peaceful, they wouldn’t be here.
@keithw49204 жыл бұрын
Diego Garcia. Still happening.
@user-dd8vo7or2d3 жыл бұрын
Indonesia and west Africa too
@minder012 жыл бұрын
Humanity first. Always. As much as it's in reference to some of our own history, remember, this is all of humanity. Cameron is a genius filmmaker but terrible with overarching messages.
@minder012 жыл бұрын
The dude straight up deleted his comment.
@fleebertreatise10632 жыл бұрын
Why do we need allegiances based on species? In a future intergalactic society, there probably would be humans spread out on other planets. I guess it depends what other species will do. If pogroms to kill off all the humans on a planet were common (through some sort of scapegoating) then I could see your point. If we're at a stage where we're all still on earth, and another planet is attacking us, then yeah of course. My point is that there can always be allegiances based on some other aspects that may end up being more important than species. But this assumes a lot of interspecies communication.
@martinhromocuk86312 жыл бұрын
Issue is there were nothing for humanity. IT was once and always for money.
@sempermilites872 жыл бұрын
@@martinhromocuk8631 Eh, not so much. IIRC, Earth was overpopulated and the only way for humanity to survive was to take to the stars. This was was very expensive and requires a lot of time. It was then found that a certain element on Pandora can make space travel more efficient and thus save on money. Your comment is true yes, but it's not so much greed behind this motivation, but survival for the human race. If humanity couldn't find other planets to colonize in a quick and efficient way, we would then expend all natural resources on Earth. Though this will be AFTER the global wars that will be fought for the remaining precious resources. Yes, we could 100% conserve our resources and recycle, but your only prolonging the inevitable. The human race will always end up to this conclusion because the human population is going to continue to grow. Unless you institute totalitarian population control measures. Avatar's message is easy to read and makes it easy to side with the Nav'i, but it doesn't take into account the human's side of it.
@hanscumyeah42162 жыл бұрын
@@fleebertreatise1063 The difference is the urgency of the situation, the movie clearly stated the humanity will go into massive chaos with energy crisis, and there is no other space faring galactic species other than human.
@LevCallahan2 жыл бұрын
If I ever meet Stephen Lang and he says he didn't base his character off Major Chip Hazard from Small Soldiers, I'm gonna be really, really disappointed.
@bratyihu Жыл бұрын
You can say whatever you want, but Quaritch was our guy. He was the real one.
@jacenwade2 жыл бұрын
I can’t believe I’ve still never seen avatar
@0ld_Scratch5 жыл бұрын
had the Avatar Aliens our history and our development, they would do the same. it's not human condition, it's just the emergence of complex lifeforms and the survival of the fittest.
@Ned-nw6ge4 жыл бұрын
Yup. Nature is violent and selfish, all matters for the importance of survival.
@Ahmed-zv5gz4 жыл бұрын
Yes and no. It can be argued that the Na‘Vi generally aren’t greedy people like humans and rely on the resources of their planet in a natural way through their culture, beliefs and use of biotechnology. They didn’t want anything from humans for their gain or power (I’m sure human military technology would give them dominance over other tribes), yet the humans were very aggressive once they couldn’t get what they wanted.
@AllThingsCubey4 жыл бұрын
@@Ahmed-zv5gz Grace says that their children learned English at an incredible pace and were excellent students. I think it's implied that they're no less intelligent than humans, likely with greater potential for intelligence, but they chose to live simpler lives in tune with nature and their world. Not entirely realistic, but implied.
@deltadeltus57884 жыл бұрын
When it comes to evolution many people make that mistake. Evolution is not only about fight or violence, it's also about cooperation and symbiosis
@deltadeltus57884 жыл бұрын
@@Ned-nw6ge maybe. But all the cruelties nature ever had, is insignificant when compared to our actions
@theelitist9523 Жыл бұрын
The part where he says "They're fly-bitten savages that live in a tree" could be taken so out of context
@vitcher3507 Жыл бұрын
Hah, funny how Parker tries to convince himself about all of this...
@allrock12386 жыл бұрын
Avatar's reflective impact shown in a example of a strongly mirrored "real" world conflict issue " The Real Avatar 2: Strength In Numbers "
@micahsheldon55575 жыл бұрын
"Avatar 3: Jake discovers that warrior/hunter societies are inherently and chronically violent"
@Tate5252 жыл бұрын
@@micahsheldon5557 Avatar 4: Jake helps humans blow up entire Pandora, The End.
@Tate5252 жыл бұрын
Btw Avatar 5 was a troll by Cameroon.
@brianperkins61212 жыл бұрын
@@micahsheldon5557 There is a powerful bit of history here that few here are aware of , Warrior societies are inherently Violent ? ? Avatar's reflective layers come from much deeper real world roots then many are aware of , The Haudenosaunee are a Warrior society, there people Made war with each other for many generations , They call this period "The time of great sorrow" (A phrase mentioned in Avatar) How did they resolve there conflict ? and how would we have resolved it ? Did they kill the war Chief that kept fanning the flames of hatred ? And who is this women from the Erie nation represented in this example with the "Cat" bandana on her head ? Whats a matriarchal society and government body look like ? And why must the Warriors answer to them ? Why do so many indigenous nations here have these structures in place ? what deep wisdom is behind these layers ? What is "The Great Law of Peace" ? anyway take a look there story many might be surprised.. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/bZ-CdNN0zN2-dqs.html part 2 kzfaq.info/get/bejne/iLakiLZ8sOCmk4E.html . who are the Erie ? kzfaq.info/get/bejne/r613hquoqJfWYKM.html Who is the Erie women Jigonsaseh and the history and mythology she represents , kzfaq.info/get/bejne/fJx1fahql6vbcXU.html
@micahsheldon55572 жыл бұрын
@@brianperkins6121 huh I never knew about this. I'll check out the links
@ONI-GAMI2 жыл бұрын
"Shouldn't we atleast talk to them before starting an all out war, say that they have no choice in the matter we will use their resources?" General- hehe, big tree go boom.
@Kingly2422 жыл бұрын
humanity>random aliens
@TheGospodinmichail2 жыл бұрын
Jake's video journal gave them proof that there's zero reason for them to have another talk with the Na'vi. They are here to mine shit that's needed back home. They either do that, or go back to be grey nobodies among billions.
@ONI-GAMI2 жыл бұрын
@@TheGospodinmichailI do understand but they really didn't do things diplomatically they had scientists that tried while the miners/soldiers just mined resources while shooting everything on sight. This could've all been avoided At the end the tree went up in flames and the humans got pushed back No winners
@hegaliandialectics42892 жыл бұрын
@@Kingly242 humanity lost its chance for redemption. Hope in the next movies they show how fucked earth is and how hopeless they made their own situationz
@hanscumyeah42162 жыл бұрын
What do you mean they dont talk with the alien first? They even turn groups of human just like aliem just to communicate with them.
@IRMentat Жыл бұрын
Just imagine if the humans had bothered to pack modern optics, CIWS, drive the long way around the mass of floating islands or simply drop rocks from orbit instead of flying one of the only 2 space capable vehicles into a tree for “reasons”.
@michaelnhana Жыл бұрын
Jake with beard looks like Obi-Wan Kenobi.
@wrongway11002 жыл бұрын
Still rooted for the humans.
@flavortown2892 жыл бұрын
Why?
@wrongway11002 жыл бұрын
@@flavortown289 Because they ain't all that bad.
@flavortown2892 жыл бұрын
@@wrongway1100 So you’re pro-racism and pro-imperialism? You ain’t even trying to hide it huh?😂
@wrongway11002 жыл бұрын
@@flavortown289 Well no. They ain't bad. They need the one for the survival of earth and humans. They tried to negotiate and trade with the aliens. So they are not all racist it imperialist. Kinda narrow minded to assume it is.
@flavortown2892 жыл бұрын
@@wrongway1100 Bro they dehumanize and refer to them as savages. It’s basically just post 9/11 America. You trying to justify that is just insane. You do as you wish with what you own. If someone offers to buy my dirt bike and I say no, do you think it’s justified for them to steal it from me because they wore out and destroyed their own? No that’s just asinine.
@davidabonyi45566 жыл бұрын
I always rooted for us Humans in Avatar. Blue furries have an entire moon and we only want a few a rocks. They loose a bit of land (which will regrow anyway) but we can save our planet.
@TXNICK966 жыл бұрын
The company isn't using Uniptanium to save earth, only to make themselves rich over how rare the mineral is. (I bet saving earth never came into their mind, only lining their wallets) Earth isn't coming back after how bad humanity treated it in this story. And sure, it's just one tree, but that's how it starts; first theirs one 'Hometree'. Then there will be two, then three. A bully won't stopped until someone gives them a reason to stop, problem is, the Colonel was the type of bully that was too stubborn for his own good.
@amm0196 жыл бұрын
The conflict between the humans and the Na'vi in this movie is actually parallel to the conflict between miners and indian tribes in the Amazon rainforest.
@oldezio58096 жыл бұрын
Fuck u guys freedom to all species
@sophiametzele40355 жыл бұрын
But it's not our damn planet. We have a whole moon just for us, too. And I wonder how the people would react, if some aliens would arrive and get our minerals and crush our nature/history/buildings. I think we would do a lot worse things.
@ZeroUs305 жыл бұрын
Dávid Abonyi it’s not just a ”bit of land”
@martinsohajek6111 Жыл бұрын
Post Chadism in Avatar
@JeanLucCaptain Жыл бұрын
Jake: marine for how long. Suddenly discovered that Colonialism is a thing🤣
@Billy_Almighty2 жыл бұрын
This movie described how US deal with nations who does not want to give up their resources to them.
@MeinGoobbyXValorant2 жыл бұрын
They give them Freedom
@The_Story_Of_Us2 жыл бұрын
@@MeinGoobbyXValorant ”freedom” lol
@aaronking80342 жыл бұрын
Every country ever lol
@OverLord1152 жыл бұрын
You think only the US?
@siyeci2 жыл бұрын
@@OverLord115 yes only us
@angelawise80702 жыл бұрын
This special is the kingdom Jake sully come
@josho7138 Жыл бұрын
' It will be Humane More or less.' That line scared me so much it showed how little he cared about the navi
@genghiskhan57012 жыл бұрын
I want an alternate ending where the humans just haul some asteroids and bomb the Naavi from orbit I mean come on! The Nazis with 40s technology were able to do that in Iron Sky!
@Turgon_2 жыл бұрын
Avatar, turning the average citizen into Imperial commissars
@polmMM-uk1rz Жыл бұрын
to shoot a bullet in cowards ?
@kokomanation2 жыл бұрын
Avatar became much more interesting in the second half of the film.I remember that when I saw the film then
@Bruh..6692 жыл бұрын
At the time this movie came out these effects were fucking amaizing
@brezzendorf2 жыл бұрын
Why does this scene's better than i remember
@danielmartins76862 жыл бұрын
Funny how Avatar gets almost everything wrong about colonialism Certainly, the warrior based humans in this side of the world wouldn't make pacts with the white bad man to kill their enemies faster and to acquire the fire stick, nah, that's just bullshit
@iggyzeta97552 жыл бұрын
Na'vi are literally the Noble Savage meme perfected; they literally live in harmony with nature as a matter of biology.
@LordHayabusa85 Жыл бұрын
The moment Parker knew the Na’vi couldn’t be reasoned with, he should have sent the bleeding hearts on the first trip back home in order to prevent any interference from them.
@j.francisward1897 Жыл бұрын
Jake never really told the navii what the humans wanted though
@eliaspeter76894 жыл бұрын
The comment section is super wierd and makes very little sence.
@superpacocaalado72152 жыл бұрын
The way this movie simplifies natives is so ridiculous it gets close to been racist.
@magnem10432 жыл бұрын
Racism is about biological differences, the natives are shown to be cognitive on par or sharper, hence is a less developed culture not a less developed race
@superpacocaalado72152 жыл бұрын
@@magnem1043 The Na'vi are a carbon copy of American Indians, dances with wolves 2 in space.
@MG007.2 жыл бұрын
In reality the military would of won with no problems.
@boogaloobomber98892 жыл бұрын
Lol. Firstly, they are not real military prepared for a war, secondly they are fighting a whole planet! How can you win against a planet?
@MG007.2 жыл бұрын
Mow everything down like they did in the Jungle in Predator just head shot and bomb them into oblivion. Lol. I'm certain that will get a clear message across.
@artruisjoew54732 жыл бұрын
@@boogaloobomber9889 nerve gas, blister agent, nukes, dirty bomb, artillery. In the movie all they had were small arms and industrial robots and transport heli jerry rigged to carry weapons. An actual military would’ve won very easily.
@boogaloobomber98892 жыл бұрын
@@artruisjoew5473 Yeah, won the battle but most certainly not the war. Also please explain to me the logistical side of fighting a war in another solar system. How exactly are you planning on resupplying your troops??
@artruisjoew54732 жыл бұрын
@@boogaloobomber9889 astro mining platforms and orbital factories. they are not that difficult to make.
@slytherinson8302 Жыл бұрын
I would’ve ordered the avatar body’s killed just to be safe. If they had done that we would’ve won the first time.
@leoli61166 жыл бұрын
1:19 Lars Ulrich?
@ankitbhatti42873 жыл бұрын
Could be he is a bad drummer isn't he
@robbiejune333funisrebellio42 жыл бұрын
this movie blew my mind when i saw it as a kid, its not a masterpiece but it delivered the broadest anti colonial message of its time to hollywood which should be commended.
@claudioandreiandrus9736 Жыл бұрын
What I hate in Avatar is that they made humans too dumb, and basically lost all knowledge of military strategy. If I was Quaritch, I'd basically promote and help with CAS (close air support) another tribe that would be at odds/openly hostile with the Omatikaya. I'd funnel some weaponry as a proxy to this tribe but keep in check the ammunition given to them so they'd never have the opportunity to revolt/stop doing my bidding. What is dumb in the movie is that the Skorpion gunships never seem to use seeker missiles, and arrows strangely go through the canopy, by the year Avatar is set in, I'm sure drones are very advanced and have a massive payload of missiles and bombs to deliver. With drones you'd have to destroy the places where the Na'vi get their ikrans, or even develop a virus and debilitate/neutralize their air combat capabilities. With CAS going in with infantry, you'd start making up some forward operating bases on the flying islands, where you'd set up some artillery and anti air positions. Drop a few refuelling stations for the Skorpions and you'd have a great FOB despite the anomalies that render GPS worthless. Missiles rely on laser telemetry and marking, once a blueberry on his flying bat gets marked, he's history. Avatar drivers would be used strictly by SecOps marines and would be organized as specialized special forces, hitting deep within the jungle, setting booby traps in hunting/gathering places of the Na'vi and retreating back. Psychological warfare without direct confrontation. The psychological effect of going hunting and being scared that you could hit a mine is one great weapon when you are outnumbered. Regarding the last Battle where Quaritch died? Hell, I'd just lead them somewhere against wind and deploy some sarin/vx nervin gas, and then mop up the place with CAS and mechs/or setting up a meeting with the clan leaders (and the tsha'ik) and ensuring that I capture and keep them as hostages to ensure the survival of my species. Earth is dying because we made mistakes, but I would never bid my species' survival just for some blueberry ***sy. PS: And by the way, where are jets? If Hell's Gate had 20x A-10s singing their brrrrrrrrt in the pandoran skies and a few F22s you'd have air superiority in one month.
@davecullins16062 жыл бұрын
I don't know how this is post-colonialism, and not just colonialism.
@maylabrown45842 жыл бұрын
There really is just two choices. A. Risk a great chance of Humanity as a whole dying, costing billions of innocent men, women, children, animals, etc. B. Care about an Alien Species that refuses to cooperate, refuses to empathize and contains a population not even 1/100th of the Planet Earth in totality.
@PistonAvatarGuy2 жыл бұрын
C. Find a way to survive that doesn't involve mass murder.
@Ninjamanhammer6 ай бұрын
C. Mine elsewhere on the huge moon we're told is rich in the mineral they are after.
@maylabrown45846 ай бұрын
@@PistonAvatarGuy That is just Plan A. Which isn't worth the risk.
@maylabrown45846 ай бұрын
@@Ninjamanhammer The Moon is rich in that material directly underneath where they hold their main commune at, if they cooperated, mining operations could have been put in place that don't revolve around directly excavating from above but from below.
@PistonAvatarGuy6 ай бұрын
@@maylabrown4584 No, plan A should always be to live within your means and not live as though your entire species is a mindless plague. We are supposed to be an intelligent species, we can live in a manner which prevents us from ending up in situations like this entirely.