Post Office committee in full: Alan Bates & Post Office bosses give evidence on Horizon scandal

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5 ай бұрын

Kevin Hollinrake, Fujitsu and Post Office bosses are giving evidence to MPs on the Commons Business and Trade Committee over the Horizon scandal
Witnesses: 1000, Dr Neil Hudgell, executive chairman, Hudgell Solicitors; Lord Arbuthnot of Edrom. 1030, Alan Bates, founder, Justice for Subpostmasters Alliance; Jo Hamilton, former sub-postmistress. 1100, Nick Read, chief executive, Post Office; Paul Patterson, director, Fujitsu Ltd. 1130, Kevin Hollinrake MP, minister for enterprise, markets and small business; Carl Cresswell, director, business resilience, Department for Business and Trade.
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@donjones5793 5 ай бұрын

Absolute bloody disgrace, Great Britain no not no more

@smellslikethinice1107 5 ай бұрын

We never were...unless the consider stealing other countries resources at gun point a virtue?

@LadyOaksNZ Ай бұрын

Yes you're right. New Zealand 🇳🇿 here.

@allenp920 5 ай бұрын

The government should be saying “Get these convictions overturned and start paying people within 6 months. 6 months or you face the consequences”

@tomb3796 4 ай бұрын

But what are the consequences ?

@beammeup8458 Ай бұрын

Where do we look to for honest leadership ?? The entire pathetic structure is suckled on the hind teat of the tyrannical WEF ?

@pjames360 5 ай бұрын

The public should NOT be expected to pay this compensation money!!!! UK GOVERNMENT - PULL YOUR FINGER OUT AND FINE FUJITSU FOR THEIR FAULTY SOFTWARE Send those responsible for lying and and ruining peoples lives to PRISON!

@user-rt2ri5ft5v 5 ай бұрын

It was the post offices responsibility to ensure that their contractors/suppliers provided supplies/services correctly. The postmasters dispute is with the post office (The government at the time) alone. The post office (the government) may subsequently have a claim against Fujitsu.

@gwyneth7812 5 ай бұрын

@@user-rt2ri5ft5v It was probably a joint fraud between them. More asset stripping of the poor by the self entitled parasites.

@mohsinakhan7668 5 ай бұрын

Yet Fujitsu are still working on it being handed out multi million-billion pound contracts. Gross

@chrisgriffiths3629 5 ай бұрын

and get all the bonus and big dividends the post office bosses took on illegal terms to Give them back and all the postmasters money they paid them through false shortfalls

@howardchambers9679 5 ай бұрын

Post Office is owned by the government, we benefitted from the profits and now we (as taxpayers) have to pay every single one of those postmasters compensation.

@alansimms2238 5 ай бұрын

People need to go to prison

@adamgrimsley2900 5 ай бұрын

Who?

@macbhakta 5 ай бұрын

People haven't already been to prison

@chrisgriffiths3629 5 ай бұрын

@@adamgrimsley2900 the post office bosses took dividends and bonus without paying tax I, s tax evasion and a prison sentence , dont know why Nick is still sitting there not down the local nick in chains , we would be !!!

@adamgrimsley2900 5 ай бұрын

@@chrisgriffiths3629 I don't know if they did.

@user-qe9yv5cz3y 5 ай бұрын

The compensation should not be reduced to pay lawyers, it should be real compensation.

@waikanaebeach 5 ай бұрын

Force the post office to appeal every case and say clearly in court that the post office fraudulently represented evidence to the court that makes every prosecution unsafe. The court could the quash every conviction.

@niksgee3538 5 ай бұрын

To lie to the court, to wrongfully convict someone is a criminal offence and they need to face the consequences of that behaviour.

@niksgee3538 5 ай бұрын

I don't think that they should be able to just buy their way out of it. They should face a trial and jail time. I also think it's disgusting that the taxpayer is going to pay the costs to the postmasters. Fujitsu might as a moral responsibility. What has happened is serious, it's psychopathic to gaslight people. Some people are dead, others' lives are ruined, and people actually went to jail. Only a trial and the risk of jail time will stop this disgusting abuse of power. Its not just the post office, its rife everywhere with people who hold power over others. If the taxpayer is paying the cost then there is no risk and nothing will change.

@djburland 5 ай бұрын

Work it out people. Lost earnings for 20 years Must amount to millions!! £75,000 is a joke for what these have suffered!!

@jukeseyable 5 ай бұрын

not just lost earning, but also financial compensation for harm, mental and physical, as well as unlawful imprisonment

@andybez5169 5 ай бұрын

Prison sentence are needed

@raptordad6653 5 ай бұрын

I’ve been keeping up with the enquiry and one thing is screaming for attention: there was very obviously a culture of dishonesty among the investigations teams at the post office. The legal team and investigators - even now - are extremely arrogant, dismissive and outright liars. Basically, thugs. If there aren’t custodial sentences for the legal, investigations and i.t. Post Office staff (and Fujitsu), there is something seriously wrong with the concept of justice in this country.

@exdoode 5 ай бұрын

Yes, they've been enacting this behaviour for over two decades that they now have a warped sense of entitlement.

@splatten8597 5 ай бұрын

Wil the dead be compensated?

@joffey1212 5 ай бұрын

It's shocking to say but the nearest they will get is apology from liars which mean nothing

@deanlewis7218 5 ай бұрын

I wonder how many MPs (past and present) had/have shares in PO and Fujitsu, maybe should make them declare their interests!

@bert1527 5 ай бұрын

These 'people' should be sitting at desked signing cheques instead of wasting time discussing and stating the bloody obvious. Pay up now and sort the blame out latter. And 'blame' means individual PEOPLE. Name them!!! Don't let them hide behind a corporate smoke screen.

@gwyneth7812 5 ай бұрын

Thats what they do, they only have to leave the job and they are off the hook. Unless ofcourse there is a criminal prosecution. Perhaps the british public could club together for a private prosecution. Perhaps we could bribe the judge to make sure they are found guilty - which is what i suspect happened with the poor postmasters!

@chel3SEY 5 ай бұрын

Clearly Reid is NOT the man to deal with this crisis for the Post Office. He dodges and dissimulates the whole way through this meeting. A slippery fish.

@robertallardice8119 5 ай бұрын

As an U.K. citizen, has the U.K. always been this corrupt?

@user-ph8zs6xt8y 5 ай бұрын

Probably true that corruption has always existed, everywhere, to some extent or other. I get the impression that it's easier to hide in some places, or built into the process and justified as "how things must work".

@niksgee3538 5 ай бұрын

Yes

@call_in_sick 5 ай бұрын

Yes

@henrietta1066 5 ай бұрын

The total exploitation of the state in all sectors has been normal practice for years. Patronising, demeaning behavior to temporary staff . Indifference to the average citizen.

@kevinclarke9955 Ай бұрын

I think it started in 1066, and the British subjects have had NO redress, from the Norman invasion.

@gordonsimpson3235 5 ай бұрын

Imagine the size of the claims if this had happened in the USA ..... millions of dollars PER CLAIM !!

@Liverpoolboy01 5 ай бұрын

Who on earth is paying for the enquiry!!!

@BurkeBurke-dk6bt 5 ай бұрын

I am no expert , when I watch police documentaries , the police move in and take phones, computers ect , isn't it time to move in and get this disgraceful incident sorted , the p o are obstructing the inquiry in every way ?

@adamgrimsley2900 5 ай бұрын

Im CEO, I cant comment on what happened before I was CEO.... RIDICULOUS

@user-hg9rf6rj9v 5 ай бұрын

They were quick enough collecting 'proceeds of crime', not quick on compensation

@SteviecmCoUk1302 5 ай бұрын

The Post Office should not have any right to question anything...Give them all a million each or a sum over that if they are out of pocket above £1m. They ruined their finite lives with their lies, let them live the rest of their lives not having to work again...

@notquiteoverthehill9576 5 ай бұрын

Not being given evidence held by the post office & having to fund your accuser to get the evidence that should be freely available is blocking justice. Bring back legal aid.

@nickjung7394 4 ай бұрын

None left, all taken by human rights lawyers!

@hf1740 5 ай бұрын

Forgive me if somebody has already asked this but where do the Post Office still get their nerve to advertise life insurance with the tag “Post Office, a name you can trust.” ? I wouldn’t even use the letter post if I had any other choice. This scandal has been heartbreaking and still no-one from the Post Office has been seriously called to account or suffered any personal consequences for their disgraceful and corrupt actions.

@johnyoull9831 Ай бұрын

Every executive who have come forward to the inquiry have been evasive lieing under oath and it looks like they all have memory loss.

@trickies 5 ай бұрын

Delaying tactics , so they run out of time to claim

@smellslikethinice1107 5 ай бұрын

My thoughts...it's not complex, what is complex however, is who will pay.

@ChristopherDowning 5 ай бұрын

@@smellslikethinice1107 Yes it's not complex but these people need to go through court to be correctly exonerated - not a quick fix that leaves a criminal conviction on their record - albeit together with a pardon. They need their day in court - every one of them. Not a fix that gets it out of the public eye ASAP to the benefit of those responsible. After all, why does it need fixing so fast after TWENTY YEARS!!!

@trickies 5 ай бұрын

@@ChristopherDowning a county court magistrates can clear hundreds of cases in a day when it comes to child support agency and council tax

@ChristopherDowning 5 ай бұрын

@@trickies I asked a High Court Judge. I'm sure he's right and MPs wrong.

@smellslikethinice1107 5 ай бұрын

@@ChristopherDowning twenty years...that length of time alone is a stain that should stick , but won't. As you say, the charade must continue, for the lawyers to dip their beaks too.

@dbec5224 5 ай бұрын

When will the post office management, fujisi management , and ministers go on trial for the damage theve done to these people.

@abbx022 5 ай бұрын

The post office is running the compensation scheme !!! Why ?? ... a special group should be setup, find every possible claimant, award them a fair amount and it should be paid out within the next 12 months .... hire as many lawyers as possible to get it done and hand the Post Office the huge bill at the end.

@mollienight 5 ай бұрын

Fujitsu should pay some of the bill too. The Post Office is owned by the government. Government has no money except that of long-suffering tax-payers. It's the tax-payer that has been paying for prosecutions of the victims of the PO fraud.

@dannyq29 5 ай бұрын

Exactly. Imagine if the Birmingham 6 had to negotiate their compensation with the West Midlands Police

@suedavis3525 4 ай бұрын

And Fujitsu

@MrBubba311 5 ай бұрын

Scores of people knew and didn't lift a finger to stop it or correct it. Well paid cowards counted their cash and didn't give a rats backside about the lives they destroyed. Who will go to prison for this?

@martinhenchcliff4833 5 ай бұрын

Its wonderful how the truth always seems come out

@nickjung7394 4 ай бұрын

It has taken long enough!

@trickies 5 ай бұрын

Computers do not make mistakes, the operators make the mistakes.

@joffey1212 5 ай бұрын

Surely ed davey can't stay in his bedroom for ever

@nickjung7394 4 ай бұрын

The software controlling the computers certainly makes mistakes!

@nickjung7394 4 ай бұрын

The software controlling the computers certainly makes mistakes!

@peterclemmet 2 ай бұрын

Waffle waffle. There is now no doubt the corruption dishonesty injustice and incompetence has been established. Compensate these poor people and indict those responsible. Waffle waffle!!!!!!!!!!’

@beammeup8458 Ай бұрын

The amount of time this has taken is an absolute disgrace : This has been going on for two years ???Kicking the can : easy money.... No one is winning... the legal system is losing credibility while the lawyers are getting fat?

@djburland 4 ай бұрын

Victims of this should get fast, straight forward payment. They absolutely do not need a black hole of indecision and or political or civil service nonsense!

@deadline8370 5 ай бұрын

So are the public footing the bill for this horrendous act

@auldflyer 5 ай бұрын

Simple answer: YES as the Post Office is wholly owned by the UK government not forgetting that Tony Blair turned a blind eye to Post Office warnings, Fujitsu system failings and the Japanese government involvement.......

@182britania 5 ай бұрын

Of course they will the public get collared for all the government mistakes.

@caterinawilliams998 5 ай бұрын

yes, unless they change some legislations, as they did in 2008 after the banking collapse

@willlawrence8756 5 ай бұрын

Fujitsu Ltd may buy the tea and biscuits for all the legal meetings....+ sugar if they can afford it! Taxpayers pay the balance using the new programmable digital fake money (thank you covid passports!) as sure to hell it will certainly have it on its ALLOWABLE PURCHASES cyber list, unlike biscuits and sugar...tea...pick a herb somewhere.

@Wishful-Thinking 5 ай бұрын

The tax payer. The Post Office is publicly owned. Unlike Royal Mail which is privatised and totally separate from The Post Office. I do wish all the quite right to be outraged commentators would get their facts right and stop lumping the current Royal Mail into this by referencing them within their outraged comments. 🙄

@gwyneth7812 5 ай бұрын

1:23:38 those who were in post at the time of the crimes by post office and fujitsu should be sitting there now, NOT new people who can say ' i dont know, it wasn't me, we are good boys now!!' Corporations are never good boys and those working in them at senior levels get paid fortunes, they should not slip and slide. Bring in those who were in post at the time.

@neilg6675 5 ай бұрын

But but but they've apologised and are doing everything they can............. All the mps acting outraged now, that ignored their constituents when they asked for help need deselecting too.

@17snooker 5 ай бұрын

If you believe any of the two bosses have said you have to be ......

@brianhodgson9547 5 ай бұрын

1:57 ... dragging their heels for "...more than 20 years..." and THEN he's criticising the system for it not being sorted expediently

@snapdragon1194 5 ай бұрын

The guy in charge of the Post office now has just talked the biggest load of bull. Who is he trying to kid that he doesn't know when they first knew that the prosecutions were wrong, they always evade the pertentnent questions. He's been in charge since 2019 and he's still unaware of the finer details in their company minutes of what people knew then. Lies and deception with his every word.

@green856w 5 ай бұрын

There seems to be far too many "I can't comment on that" responses to the questions. The patronising Fujitsu and Post Office people will not give open and honest answers - probably been briefed by their legal representatives. Mealy mouthed words to the effect that they want to help the Post Office Inquiry, yet they claim they don't know (haven't worked there long enough). Fine words butter no parsnips.

@peterchapman697 5 ай бұрын

They are under parliamentary privilege, I understand, so they cannot be charged with libel or prosecuted for anything they say here.

@srp01983 5 ай бұрын

@@peterchapman697The OP is talking about the Inquiry. This is a parliamentary committee, where they enjoy parliamentary privilege, but that is no the case in the inquiry - instead the witnesses are given the option of not answering specific questions to avoid incriminating themselves. As for this witnesses for Post Office at the Inquiry, I completely agree with @green856w - the ones I have seen are clearly lying, pretending they don’t remember and attempting to blame everyone but themselves. In addition, all those that I have seen are ignorant, stupid and uneducated, failed to do their job properly and some were rude, intimidating and threatening to the victims of their abysmal behaviour.

@charlesevans2701 5 ай бұрын

The British Medical Council needs to look into the connection between Alzheimer's and working for the Post Office.

@leehotspur9679 5 ай бұрын

😆@@charlesevans2701

@Warriorbox 4 ай бұрын

Someone said "people are not coming forward for compensation". Surely the number of those prosecuted or dismissed is known, their names are known. They should not need to 'come forward' They should be invited.

@mcz1532 5 ай бұрын

Nick Read gave big money to executives in PO as a insentive while the real business was made by the Sub-Postmasters were wronged and taken to justice by the PO. Remember that the Crown offices was losing money and the whole PO was surviving thanks to the hard work of the Sub-Postmasters.

@williamwaynflete6336 2 ай бұрын

It's the forensic expertise of Sir Wyn Williams and his superb team which will get to the bottom of this, not the self-righteous chunterings of MPs trying to stage their own parallel amateur enquiry...

@kevinclarke9955 Ай бұрын

What Gauls me is, sub postmasters on the breadline, will be on all kinds of benefits, AND less pension. When they get a payout they will lose benefits, and have to go thru it all again when they have paid off all their debts….if they live long enough. My heart goes out to all those people that have and are still suffering at the hands of all these MONSTERS, and the lawyers that are riding the gravy train.

@dfor50 5 ай бұрын

"When did someone in the Post Office know remote access was possible?" Post Office: "I don't have that information" At that point he should have been ordered "make a phone call now and ask the person who should know!"

@gwyneth7812 5 ай бұрын

I really like the Geordie bloke and his questions.

@gbear1005 3 ай бұрын

Compensation should be made, and a bonus given to anyone who secured a lawyer (plus the lawyers are paid by the post office)

@hedgefundshyster..3241 5 ай бұрын

Where the fkk is the money paper trail ...the post mistress accused of stealing £36000...if she stole it ...there must be some kind of transition to a bank account ...to take it by cash would have been nigh impossible ...the whole thing is a joke ..

@gwyneth7812 5 ай бұрын

Yes, organised crime/fraud by PO and Fijitsu?

@gbear1005 3 ай бұрын

Compensation should be based on individual circumstances... And all should be earmarked with the names of the post office personnel that caused the debt....

@splatten8597 5 ай бұрын

No morals with this Japanese company

@davidmckeown6849 5 ай бұрын

Give them each a million quid ….overturn all the convictions…..of course there will the odd one that might slip through the net but …just do it and look at each individual s case afterward to add more compensation…but these guys are in the last chapter of thier lives …let them live in peace without fear today!

@themusicprofessor 5 ай бұрын

Disagreeing with some other comments, I would suggest that, utterly scandalous though this crisis is, it is the sign of a civilised society that this committee exists and that decent and fair-minded people are involved in its findings: Lord Arbuthnot, a key witness, has been a consistent defender of the victims throughout the last 20 years. This is a moment for the UK to affirm the vital importance of legal help for innocent people, and to never again be "a society with one rule and endless get-outs for executives, and quite another for the little people".

@kenthebean6619 5 ай бұрын

That Read's a slippery ' knows nothing' when it suits sort of guy . What a creep. His feigned i dont know gov is either a cover up or gross incompetence. ....and he's earning how much ???!!!! Jail the lot of them.

@dougphillips239 5 ай бұрын

The cheque is in the Mail!

@MrAnmol1980 5 ай бұрын

Its a double edged sword 🙃Each post master should get 1 million but Post Office or Fijitsu wont pay, the tax paying citizen will be forced to foot the bill. The Po and Fijitsu employees are all trained to say don't know don't remember. Watching Jarnail and Raj was painful

@brianessex6666 5 ай бұрын

It’s a quality whitewash that is so thick it has become a fog to a layman!

@gbear1005 3 ай бұрын

Part still left out.. the judges that convicted ALSO did not verify that all defendants were protected from false prosecution..

@DannyWood7989 5 ай бұрын

We need a social diagram showing the relationships between different entities. There are so many moving parts that it's hard to keep up with who's who and where they fit.

@spartakspartaki6289 5 ай бұрын

None of the people who were involved in this tragedy who are guilty of lying will go to prison somehow they will get off but the small people would be straight in jail look what happens

@johnbougourd1811 5 ай бұрын

surely money and assets must be paid back to the victims first then compensation paid out better not holed my breath

@splatten8597 5 ай бұрын

Read and Patterson need to go. Playing with words, can’t comment on anything then

@RobertLewis-el9ub 5 ай бұрын

How do you improve or innovate without considering past performance? This CEO is talking absolute rubbish about not looking back - all successful organizations do this to formulate 'lessons learnt'. He is using the inquiry excuse to avoid answering obvious knowledge he would already possess.

@philgillmartin5053 5 ай бұрын

“There is a need to streamline things” you don’t say! This country is going to the dogs and the boat people can have it.

@kevinclarke9955 Ай бұрын

I digress, i wonders if all the problems people are having with SMART meters, is another coverup by Fujitsu……?

@outlaw6421 5 ай бұрын

What about the post masters not prosecuted but gad to pay back short falls even tho PO and fujitsu new the systems was wrong floored and had bugs they both covered up..

@joerudnik9290 Ай бұрын

In the US this would be a RICO crime, Racketeering. A conspiracy, with everyone lying to save each other’s backs. This wouldn’t take 20 years in the US. There would be trials, outside oversight and their paper trail would be considered evidence. They wouldn’t get away with, Yes… but I didn’t really mean to say that. The prosecutions of the postmasters were based on what they said and wrote. So Post Office and Fujitsu prosecutions would also be based on what they said and wrote. Even if they ‘couldn’t, didn’t, remember’. End of story!!!

@joanneramsden1514 27 күн бұрын

All these comments are correct. Compensation hasn't been paid out. Money has been withheld for year's. While innocent subpostmasters continue to suffer financially and mentally. 20 years +

@spartakspartaki6289 5 ай бұрын

We are going to have a lot of manure for our farms

@paulrussellevans 5 ай бұрын

Listening to the early part of Kevin Hollinrakes testimony was like watching an episode of Yes Minister. Frustrating, not humorous.

@spartakspartaki6289 5 ай бұрын

When they have to pay compensation out they have to go by the law of the land but they didn't When they were prosecuting the not guilty sub postmasters

@splatten8597 5 ай бұрын

He needs to be removed, now! Apologies are no good. I doubt he will bother to do this. Horizon clearly does not do what it should do, so this is a lie.

@WillJ5112 5 ай бұрын

The people who knew that the Horizon computer system was defective did not give evidence to the committee and it is those individuals who must be called to account for their refusal at least to be curious as to the reason for so many apparent arithmetical errors being made by hundreds of post office sub postmasters and sub postmistresses coincidentally after it ‘s adoption.

@chestermartin2356 5 ай бұрын

Their claim seems to be they saw the system being brought in as a way to catch people stealing money from them. So the individuals policing it saw it as doing its job effectively. We will never know the truth

@splatten8597 5 ай бұрын

Anyone believe what he is saying? What a company, should not be involved in any government software ever! The brand is dead. Too little too late. This PO bloke needs to go. No tracking of money?? But he cannot comment on most of this

@saraswatkin9226 5 ай бұрын

Suprised that any of those top flying PO lawyers haven't made an application to "strike out" their counterclaim!

@paulkennedy3758 5 ай бұрын

I’m not making comparisons here, but Royal Mail group themselves, need to be held to account too! The post office was a part of Royal Mail group at the start of this injustice, and the recent regime in charge (who have mostly all been relieved of their positions now!) are still lying about the current situation within the group now! These innocent people DESERVE justice now! Royal Mail executives need to be investigated, before a (much watered down) similar situation arises again!

@user0K 5 ай бұрын

21:00 triggers me a bit. - programs are unreliable. - sure, we will spend more time testing and verifying programs... - we do not have money for this.

@robertsmuggles6871 5 ай бұрын

Prevarication nation.

@grahamnichols1416 18 күн бұрын

Apologies are cheap and meaningless, which is why they are readily offered. Those responsible at the PO need prison time for what they have done. The SPMs need recompense NOW, and the money that was extorted from them needs to be returned together with the interest lost.

@nickjung7394 4 ай бұрын

Given the way in which soldiers who had served in Northern Ireland have been prosecuted for actions that they allegedly took under very stressful conditions, I expect similar treatment of those lawyers, Post Office and Fujitsu personnel who so blatantly ignored facts purely for status and personal reward. Given the health issues suffered by the people on the receiving end, let's start with prosecutions under the Health and Safety at Work act 1974 and subordinate regulations: where are the documented Risks Assessments?

@ashearera 5 ай бұрын

Fujitsu said the software is not in active development it’s just in place. Not possible, it must constantly be getting security patches etc. so he’s either lying or the software doesn’t meet the guidelines in the governments UK public sector privacy framework.

@ricatkins4918 5 ай бұрын

It shouldn’t be impossible to establish who have been rightly compensated. (If that’s the lame term) Again records should be documented! STOP DRAGGING THIS OUT FOR THESE POOR VICTIMS!!!!

@charlesevans2701 5 ай бұрын

Everyone fined, fired, or prosecuted has to be compensated. The system was, is a bag of spanners and they knew it back in 1999!

@benmiller2111 4 ай бұрын

What a dispisical person

@splatten8597 5 ай бұрын

It should be his job now to sort it even if it means going back. The Post Office is clearly not fit for purpose! How much is he being paid? What a culture he is involved in. I’m alright Jack comes to mind

@hazel1960 5 ай бұрын

Totally believe how theses people talk it needs dealing with today It’s certainly gone on to long

@spartakspartaki6289 5 ай бұрын

Could someone please tell me what will happen next when it's all over

@joanneramsden1514 27 күн бұрын

How many more years will it take for subpostmasters and their family's to receive justice and compensation. Know a general election has been announced. This will be another delay to use .

@JeffsWig 5 ай бұрын

2:42:45 he just said "compensation from the tax payer" . Weve been here before with the banksters!

@gwyneth7812 5 ай бұрын

Yes and both companies owned by the government and apparently the bankruptcies in both cases organised by the same firm of solicitors. Anthony Stansfeld will be talking about this next Tuesday in Parliament, Room 50, 12.30

@hayleyb2254 5 ай бұрын

@@gwyneth7812please can you explain more about this? I haven't heard about this but it sounds interesting.

@gwyneth7812 5 ай бұрын

@@hayleyb2254 Hello Hayley. Anthony Stansfeld is the former police and crime commissioner of Thames Valley police who jailed bankers in relation to banking fraud. Search 'Anthony Stansfeld ITNJ' to see him talk about this. He is a man of integrity and has been very supportive to me over the years in relation to probate fraud and the establishment that i have experienced (executors were a solicitor and an accountant). If you have not seen it, also search Lloyds and Noel Edmunds shareholder meeting - The bank was defrauding its own customers. Anthony Stansfeld sent me a report that he wrote and in it it said 'fraud is seen as a safe way to make money'. He also wrote in his recent email that the victims were left with no money to seek justice even in the most obvious cases. I bcc'd him into an email to my MP about the PO Scandal recently and he sent a short reply, writing that which i wrote above about the common threads of banking fraud and PO scandal (government owned, same solicitors in the bankruptcies and no one doing anything about it). He was invited to speak in Parliament on Tuesday 23rd, room 50, by Lord Prem Sika. I think it is 12.00

@gwyneth7812 5 ай бұрын

@@hayleyb2254 The other think AS mentions in the video that i referred to with him in was how judges always sided with the banks. This also happened, i understand, with the PO. This must surely put the 'independent' judiciary into strong question, for the protection of people.

@Kaizen917 5 ай бұрын

To be fair,as someone seeing Britain from abroad, finding out about this scandal is just a reinforcement on how that country looks to many from aside i.e. kinda stuck in the past with its people thinking things are all fine (some would dare to claim they are even exceptional!) until...something horribly wrong surfaces up. In fact, I expect there will be further room to fall on things like living standards, international standing or cultural influence before things actually get better but will the latter happen in our lifetime, hard to tell.

@garytuner1938 5 ай бұрын

Why.?

@martinhenchcliff4833 5 ай бұрын

Hope this does not come across as a negative but how much are the all the representative getting paid , on yet more enquiries , its after the horse has bolted, one of history famous old saying I wonder how many more fits this saga , the power of the brilliant drama and the social media verse the post office no contest

@user-se5vy8gj9e 5 ай бұрын

The geezer sitting on the Ministers left, multiply his attitude by however many of his type are working on this, there's your red tape quagmire identified. Great stats, all to ensure that the victims couldn't possibly get a tad too much. That would never do.

@42Barley 5 ай бұрын

Would it not be a good idea for Postmasters to get a ledger in which they can record each transaction made for the POL. I am aware this would be a big task but if they had written documentation that could then be checked against their electronic transactions to see if there was any discrepancies. I have been in a position where I have used ledgers to balance the daily transaction of the companies I worked for and only ever had a few shortfalls which were later explained. Big task I know but some background is needed. Either that or scrap the computer in the offices and go back to laborious manual system.

@joerudnik9290 Ай бұрын

For Federal Crimes, in the US, the first party or parties, if there are a great number, can plead guilty to a very reduced sentence. They are required to be fully honest about their guilt and testify against the other members involved in the crime. Whistleblowers also get a great many protections and are rewarded monetarily. ( Except something happened with Boeing. 2 Whistleblowers have died, but it was framed as suicide. So we KNOW Boeing has serious problems and is responsible.)

@miketomlin6040 19 күн бұрын

Sound is terrible, hard to hear!

@jerklobster7460 5 ай бұрын

Out of interest where is the compensation money coming from. Will it be the post office? Did I hear correctly that there was a number of £600k given to claimants already?

@hayleyb2254 5 ай бұрын

That's coming from the government. I don't think the government should have to foot the bill. Post Office and Fujitsu should.

@adamgrimsley2900 5 ай бұрын

Gullis is awful

@philburden74 4 ай бұрын

ive sat every night watching this chit chat and the lies , yes lies , yes there were issues but there were criminals in control , like to bonus paid ivestigators who made a pretty penny out of the prosecutions , they clearly had an agenda from the first time they knew about it,