uk government has a history of blindly protecting corporate until there is too much public pressure.

Sorry, can't hear you through the millions of tax payer money we have..

Remember grenfell? All the people in prison for that? Yeah, don’t count on it.

Remember Grenfell and Greensill which the latter dodgy Dave was involved in, no one is going to jail over this, as it would open up jail for the so called corrupt politicians.

Nothing will happen, it's capitalism at its best.

Nah.. it doesn't happen in a corupt 3rd world country

And they still use the same system., with the same failures. How is this possible??

And they still use the same system., with the same failures. How is this possible??

What’s this Patterson chief doing there? Where’s the guy who was in charge during the conspiracy?

The judge threw the case that fast because he knew that evidence could be a problem for their other immoral cases, not because of justice.

Whoever writes the purchasing contracts should also lose their job. If they write purchasing contracts that don’t require products or services to meet a standard and provide for redress if they fail to do so its bonkers.

@@tonychorley4936 yes I agree

We don't know the details but perhaps the NHS made a wise decision if they felt the Fujitsu system was not fit for purchase.

@@stephenwabaxter Fujitsu we’re the middle men the system was called cerner millennium

@@manglewurzel5328 I see that Oracle purchased Cerner in 2022 and Oracle have some presence in the NHS space.

There really needs to be permanent memorials to the people who lost their lives. Make sure this is never forgotten.

Prison , prison and more prison for all of them .

​@@johnreed8336They won't go to jail. They're untouchable

It's the impunity among the groomed actors linked to political personalities who must be stopped. They operate under orders and with the protection of a few political deviants who hold generational / groomed in power.

The scene with executive visiting the widow made me want to throw my TV out the window. “ Robust and works as it should.” I once worked for a company that expected accountability. The mantra was “what makes a hero and what makes a zero.” This is an excellent production. I’m glad they named names. I’m glad they can’t escape this. What price for a human life? Corporate greed.

'Evidence Tampering' is a US term, so is irrelevant in a UK justice case. 'Perjury' (max. 7 years imprisonment) or 'Perverting the Course of Justice' (max. life imprisonment) is what you're looking for.

For people not for corporations it’s disgusting how the legal system favours businesses over people to the point people CEOs and managers can break laws that would result in prison in company names and just receive fines that barley touch their bottom line

you forgot, the govt can simply redefine what is or is not legal my dear.

+ a lengthy prison term .

LOL he wouldn't dare! He might lose his pension dear.

Including all the Board members following investigation of all their board meeting documents, including those not noted down. The chairman and head of the audit commit should be charged for fraud and criminal behaviour.

Culture of prosecution nurtured for decades. Where did that start? Hmmm...

What if the Horizon system was only supposed to show losses of a few quid here and there so as not to be obvious that it was meant to gather more money than crossed the Post Office counters in order to bolster Post Office profits over the whole of the UK which could have amounted to thousands of pounds a day, millions of pounds a year. What if Fujitsu knew that the system was making huge errors rather than the small ones it was designed to do, this was flagged to the Post Office bosses but they decided that even more was even better so let it go. Let's face it, Horizon is simply a calculating programme, what goes in, what goes out, what was bought, what was sold so how can it be that difficult for a such a programme to be so wrong ? But if it was meant to calculate things incorrectly and lose the odd pound here and there then of course a calculating programme could have defects. I find this more plausible than the Post Office bosses simply believing that a computer system was infallible despite all the evidence to the contrary after thousands of Post Office masters and mistresses suddenly were seen to be thieves after years of good service to their communities.

hundreds of lives

John Mills - 1999 before the contract was signed.

Those covered by nondisclosure should speak up and see how far the PO gets in court.

​@@DavidJohnson-yg8qmtotally agree.....

NDAs don't cover public interest and whistleblowing. Maybe that is the case and he's saving the phoney NDA stuff for evidence in court.

Post Office "we will destroy you life but don't speak about it to anyone or else"

Ndos are sus in the first place. It's basically a "you say anything you lose your job".. Lots of companies that have them love to say they're transparent.

Did she get compensation for that mistake ?

Wow bless her heart x

Just like bankers in 2008!

And the British taxpayer will foot the compensation claims! Corruption reigns supreme… time we the British people say enough is enough!!

Correct! Just like the minors strike court cases where the chief of police lied to the court over 3 days of evidence; the Iraq War Enquiry and the Hillsborough Enquiry. No one was prosecuted and no one will.

And what would Fujitsu's motive be in that?

@@steveevans4299maximizing shareholder value

@@steveevans4299 Pressure from Post Office....Fijutsu had huge contracts through out government. Enough motive to ignore any shortcomings....

@@suzilouden5964Yes, they didn’t want to look incompetent and not caring about the evidence presented at trial. Problem is, that when you hide things like that, it just makes them look worse. It wouldn’t be surprising if Fujitsu ceases to exist in the UK, or they will be left with only the things that they can’t sell.

Fujitsu told the post office changed the statements. Post office a government department needs to be jailed and have all their monies taken. New law making all local and national government to surply all documents when requested this includes the police who hide documents in sexaul abuse cases All them state 8:20 Not in the public interest or would take too long to find the information. I am aware of documents being burnt to cover up local government involvement

its not just them, they all behave badly. corps are charged with perusing profit at any cost to us and the environment. politicians demand perpetual growth!

+ a lengthy prison term .

Yes Fujitsu and Post Office owe this money entirely and not the taxpayer.

Million pound is nothing, it needs to be atleast 30 mil per postmaster

@@paulineashcroft1485you’ll be shocked when you find out where the post office money comes from haha

@@paulineashcroft1485 In practice it will actually be Fujitsu and the taxpayer, as the Post Office shareholder, as Post Office is insolvent for all practical purposes.

@@philipwardle6820 I bet the innocent taxpayer has to stump up most of it. I do not begrudge the wronged Sub-postmasters one penny of course, they deserve everything they get for their years of suffering, but will those who caused this scandal and suffering, perpetuated it, telling lie upon lie and who hounded these poor people, sometimes to jail, to immense mental pain and financial hardship or even suicide receive any financial penalty and/or jail time remains to be seen.

Yes I think he did present quite well. However he needs to meet with Government and make a substantial offer to cover some of the cost of this scandal. I have in mind £500 million. Without a severe penalty this could happen again.

Nobody want's to take responsibility in anything these days. It's all about blaming while seeing how much ineptitude you can get away with.

It was very disappointing to hear the current CEO of post office sit in front of MPs and say he did not see it as his job to investigate the scandal much less make changes (certainly in the staff he employs) to prevent a corrosive corporate culture continuing.

I believe he could offer a lot of clarity. In reality the system as designed could never work.

@@stephenwabaxter It is like the people who designed it didn’t understand this type of system. Which is probably because they didn’t.

@@Ken-er9cq In my opinion the system architecture was fundamentally flawed and that was exposed by the bugs, errors and defects that kept occurring. That is why I firmly believe that AWS (or similar) should be brought on board with a state of the art system and Fujitsu dropped quickly.

@@stephenwabaxter Agreed, in fact Fujitsu have brought the systems and software engineering professions into disrepute. What a sad place to end up, given that Fujitsu took over ICL, which consolidated a set of great companies with a track record of world-leading innovation that had its roots in wartime achievements such as code breaking and radar.

@@stephenwabaxter You do know that AWS (Amazon Web Services) is a hosting company and not a software developer, don't you? That aside, what is it that makes you think that somebody else could write a fully working and bug-free replacement system quickly when Fujitsu haven't been able to do it in the last twenty years?

Completely disagree. That attitude too often gets those in power of the hook and the wounded dealt with by some out of court settlement. The CEO’s and those who knew this need co be criminally investigated for perverting the course of justice and sending to prison. The change in corporate culture would be transformed.

@@Bungadin2845 I'm not saying that the people responsible should get away with it, not at all. I'm just saying that they have done so much harm, ruined so many people's lives, that no punishment will seem like enough. Even if they go to prison for the rest of their lives (which they won't), the harm they have done will still outweigh the punishment, in my opinion.

A large compensation package + a lengthy prison sentences.

I think history will simply repeat...as per all criminal issues involving the government. No one will ever go to jail! Taxpayers will pick up all of the costs that are attributed to the PO. Fijutsi will pay from their profits some compensation...

@@richardstone5813 This is one time where the evidence is so strong some people probably will be found culpable. But it may be the people who provably lied to the court. The executives who were ultimately responsible... pfftt... don't hold your breath.

Yes. Fraud, false accounting, extortion, perjury, perverting the course of justice, conspiracy to all the foregoing, and of course finally. The laundering of the hundreds of millions of pounds, the proceeds of the multiple crimes. All of it money extorted from SPMs. Where were the PO auditors when all this magic money was popping into the accounts?

Does that include the new £billion NHS computer system which they seem to have abandoned?

Simply put, imagine buying a ten dollar calculator, that cannot count?!

Because we live in a corrupt world fujitsu is owned by Infosys Technologies Ltd Rishi Sunaks wifes business hence the cover up.

Every system has bugs, they constantly fix them. If you want a software program this complex without a bug before you release it you’ll never release anything

In a previous select committee hearing with senior executive, it became apparent that the post office board had recently awarded themselves bigger bonuses for 'investigating' their own scandal. There is no shame at this level, only greed and opportunity.

@@fredsmith1970 it’s not advocated here, but there is a point at which people will execute their own justice.

Not to mention Private Eye magazine, and journalist Nick Wallis.

Royal Mail and the Post Office are no longer connected. They were separated at RM's privatisation.

@ianforsythe4831 - Yes, that was my observation, too. Fujitsu employed basically criminals, who were used and knowingly altered financial accounts and financial records, on a regular, daily basis. They clearly had not signed Contracts with clauses as per others employed within corporations and institutions, where staff deal with money. If what has occurred within the PO with contracted Fujitsu staff, happened within the banks, there would have been a tsunami of uproar. They clearly did not have to sign such Contracts.

Even today many people cannot believe the post office could tell such lies at the expense of so many honest people. In the theatre this is Called the 'suspension of disbelief'. Which is why Vennells and her conspirators are more actors than business people. Unable to separate fantasy from reality - like career MPs who've never done a day's real work in their lives [Ed Davey]. I still cannot get over the fraud the post office continues to try to get away with - even today many in the post office believe the problem is exaggerated & the papers are just stirring up trouble.

@RonLaws - They have tarnished themselves, too. I would not want any dealings with such individuals, knowing how they collaborated to this extent. Salaries, and bonuses - just money and false pride of a once distinguished PO reputation - clouding their integrity, morals and ethics. All their names, past and present, should be publicly listed, so question always remain. Knowing they were part of being 'guilty by association,' and did nothing to remedy what they knew was happening. Especially Paula, with what to her was just blatantly another role, just a job like any other, yet within the Church, where love, honesty and wanting to support fellow humans a prerequisite - but she covered up what she did..Surely that was a Conflict of Interest, so she should, for her own conscience, and on her own moral grounds, resigned from her job with the PO.

@@anitarogers2877 Mandy Talbot, lawyer for PO, in 2004, warned the company an avalanche of prosecutions was coming unless they acted. They blew her off. The company was going to defend each case regardless of the human consequences. To defend the cases properly PO would have to pay extra money to Fujitsu to secure audit evidence. So they decided to threaten suspects with a criminal conviction so they'd cough for a lesser civil charge & private prosecution - it is the same as paying a parking fine quickly rather than contesting it in court. The decision to go down this road ultimately was made by an accountant person David Smith. See him giving evidence here kzfaq.info/get/bejne/hdZymsZl2ZiXmqM.html

With lengthy prison terms .

Why did Fujitsu not fix the bugs ??

@@amandaball552 I think when a Mr G Jenkins comes to be interviewed, all will be made clear.unfortunately because of the huge number of documents which are only now being disclosed by the Post Office (from a request in 2021). When the Inquiry has had a chance to collate all of these and remove duplications, we may at last know a lot more of the truth why Fujitsu failed to disclose the beds.

@@HighPeakVideo Having worked for a number of companies whose software had bugs, it’s incredibly difficult to remove bugs without knowing how they interact with software. Given that, they ought to have tested what these did to try to see what impact they were having. For background refer to the evidence of a Fujitsu software developer early on, can’t say where. I thought his evidence was clear and true, and he is still working at Fujitsu.

@@richardjones5795 Many thanks for that explanation. Although I have developed some quite large programs over a period of 50 years, it has always been by myself, so I have no appreciation of the difficulties of large-scale collaboration on very complex real-time projects. From your experience do you consider the Horizon software to have been neither unusual nor anomalous in its defects, or were they such that it should not have been implemented? Gerald Barnes, a software developer at Fujitsu, claimed bugs were not fixed as it would have been too time-consuming and costly.

@alisongreen7576 - The money was never stolen at all! It was the Fujitsu staff accessing and altering the figures on the financial accounts, that made it appear money had been stolen, that never actually had been. The sub-post masters had to sign off their accounts daily, and any supposed shortfalls had to be reimbursed out of their own pocket. If you haven't already, watch the drama 'Mr Bates -v- The Post Office,' and you will see.