The Post Office Alzheimer's cluster expands.

They justify their high salaries by saying they are accountable and the buck stops with them. But when faced with that they lie and say they didn’t know. Disgusting

DON'T DROP THIS ISSUE JOE! We NEED this in the spotlight. Absolutely no way we can let these crooks get away with the evil they've done.

Complicit in the cover up. Get him locked up

I’m so sorry that the highly paid executives of PO couldn’t remember any accounts or instances of concern about the failings of the Horizon system. It was, after all, many years ago. They were, at least, highly paid. Bless them. In the meantime the hundreds if not thousands of PO victims and families were ravaged by protracted and unremitting injustice were left to rot. WTF!!!

Look how slow he is at answering these question.. he’s trying to make sure he doesn’t slip up. That’s what people do when they know they’ve done wrong and don’t want to be blamed.

They remember things in their defence, but forgets things in their guilt!!!

He should be in jail

"I don't recall." We should take this to mean an admission of guilt.

Extraordinary. It goes way beyond Vennels. She is an easy target partly because of her bizarre delusion that she was a "good" person and a fit subject for ordination in the Anglican Church. Too, too bizarre. Too, too delusional. But it goes far beyond her. I am sickened by the corporate "bullshit bingo" language being trotted out by one after another of the senior executives in this inquiry. It is nauseating.

Another one who crosses his arms when he is faced with uncomfortable details

So many of these Post Office managers know nothing, remember nothing, never asked any questions, never understood what they were doing or what they were responsible for. And yet, for some reason, they see nothing wrong with having drawn huge salaries for this utter level of collective incompetence.

I have been on the board of two PLCs - I have never seen people who show so little interest in details of such serious matters. It’s extraordinary that he didn’t read the advice from lawyers - it’s just inconceivable.

A reminder that David Miller wasn't just a Managing Director of Post Office - he was a core part of the Horizon project leadership team (a deputy director in 1995 and programme director in 1998 according to his recent testimony at the inquiry). He was describing Horizon as "robust and fit for purpose" (the phrase that comes back to haunt everyone) while it was being rolled out in 1999, despite Ernst and Young highlighting serious issues *to him* with data integrity in their auditing. When it comes to who covered it up - I expect a lot of fingers will be pointing in his direction.

Obviously been instructed all of them, to follow the Amnesia path, get them in front of the criminal courts ..

When I installed the ovens at Auschwitz I had no idea what they were going to be used for. Not me guv.

This person signed a cheque for some £180k on the basis that he was asked to - but did not ask any questions and did not read any of underlying documents. Huh! Isn't that what negligence looks like? It is not as if £180k was petty cash. On any view it was a material sum. It was probably as much or nearly as much as his annual salary. Yet he just signed without further enquiry. We are to believe that? Sorry! Not credible.

Appalling bunch of people - and not just at executive level - but both at POL and at Fujitsu, in legal and investigative departments, at the "Help" desk... _and_ in government and the civil service! Watching the inquiry and knowing of this for _years_ having read _Computer Weekly_ and _Private Eye,_ I am increasingly astounded at how the religious mantra of "Horizon Good, postmasters Bad!" was *_so_* pervasive. I am also astounded at just how incurious these people were. According to POL, there was a huge number of criminals operating post offices, criminals who had invested their own monies, linked the PO to their own businesses (both via contracts and via Horizon terminals), lived over the shop - yet they all had their fingers in the till! But no one thought to ask how this anomaly came about. They all just repeated the mantra.

Amnesia is most prevalent attribute to all PO bosses

How do these “captains of industry” and politicians for that matter ( Rishi Sunak I’m looking at you) get so far with such poor memories?

This is why businesses should be more strictly regulated - not less.

There seems to be a whole procession of old men who didn’t know anything and were negligent in their duties.

The Post Office management don’t seem to be able to remember anything, apart from the Bonuses they received!

No morals what so ever 🤬🤬

So he had an emergency meeting about doubts over an "expert" witness which resulted in him signing off £180,000 without thinking may be he should ask further questions or a the very least read the supporting documentatio. Unbelievable

It's incredible to me that there's a media frenzy over the Angela Rayners none event, whilst there's things like this and the Menzies incidents going on.

So, the Postmasters, were prosecuted, and some sent to prison, for not doing their " job" properly. Yet, although these Executives and Managers, couldn't or didn't do their " job" properly, they still got highly paid. It beggers belief.

Wyn does a wonderful job of summarising things. I assume that he doesn’t need the money, this is something that he was asked to and he decided he wanted to do it.

4:05 I was just following orders. Since Nuremberg trials it's not an allowed defense argument

If I had a £1 for every 'I don't remember/recall' I've heard, I could compensate the sub postmasters myself...

What the hell did these senior managers do all day?

Can't wait until the public inquiry is over so that we can move on to criminal hearings. I've no doubt that the public submissions will be formulated with that prospect in mind.

"I'm sorry sir, I won't be able to help you", these people are disgusting.

Selective amnesia- when evidence allows them to point the finger at someone else their recall is remarkably better than when they are being directly accused of wrong doing themselves.

I do have to admit I think this rush to ascribe malice to everyone involved rather than incompetency is a worrying. Countless people suffered due to decisions made by the Post Office and I think it's easier to reflexively think people need to have committed crimes or are covering up for their actions now. While i could be wrong a lot of this just seems to be corporate culture gone mad. Which I think is more terrifying. In this case yes maybe he's lying but also, more terrifying, maybe he was just terrible at his job. Like maybe this happened and it didn't even register because he didn't understand the implications. He might have been in a position to help people, prevent unjust convictions, and he might just have been too thick. There are these disparate groups working against each other in this story. The actual people working in post offices who actually understand the system but are the lowest level in this set-up. From day one of the Horizon system testing their concerns have been ignored. Except the story goes the head office appointed someone without any tech background to supervise the test. He was warned Horizon wasn't fit for purpose, told people were struggling, but how was he to understand those implications? He didn't understand what could go wrong with a computer program, didn't understand the legal implications and didn't know what questions to ask if Fujitsu. One nerd in that role, or lawyer or expert in the field and this might have been prevented. But he went back to HQ and said looks great. No one there noticed he was incompetent and shouldn't have had the job because no one there knew anything about software either. The people they were liaising with at Fujitsu weren't programmers, why would you talk to the workers when you're management? They would have been in sales or execs who's job it was to over promise and sell their company. Two more layers of people who never tried to use the software as intended to see if it worked. No one who went to an actual post office to see how it functioned because that's not their job. Their job was selling a product or modernizing the Post Office. Also the government had already sunk a bunch of cost into buying the thing, almost like they made a fallacious decision to get something for that money. If only there was a term for that. At every level some group of people was doing exactly what their job was and ignoring what it meant to real people. No one asked anything outside their remit and never questioned their aims. Modernization, reducing fraud, keeping the post office open, cutting costs, personally recovering money. Why didn't someone like this see the disaster they were creating? They were a bit thick and it wasn't their job. They just read reports and did their job as an incompetent cog. Which is more terrifying than incompetent. The system itself doesn't work. People get hired and promoted off of results not due to competency or skills. The people with skills are left doing their job and not being shown the larger picture. So snobbery and the British class system at work. People trusting that people like them are good at running things ergo things are going well. No need to question if the plebs are stealing or, those sort always do. Reminds me of Rishi decided to cut benefits because people can't possibly need them and all the right sort agree they're good at being in power so their ideas must work.

It seems to me as if these executives day at at work was to go to there office put their feet, up snooze till lunch time then have an executive lunch for a couple of hours, then stagger back to their office, get their secretary in and tell her/him that they were at an outside meeting and to call their wife and tell them they will be late home due to work, then off to the golf club . This is how it must have been for them all to be so absent minded.

The judge is brilliant

Looks like the PO was run on the Grace brothers model.

Going to be a bus coming along shortly and someone will be getting thrown under it, in court.

Whole management should be taken to court and jailed. They all seem to be suffering from corporate amnesia or are lying.

Bet these people still sleep ,the arrogance is how dare you

I can't understand how these people didn't know about the Horizon problems for so long because I have known about them since Private Eye started writing about it and I am an old lady.

'I don't remember' giving real 'The dog ate my homework' vibes!

Breathtaking dereliction of duty, a total lack of interest in ensuring matters are dealt with comprehensively and competently and an apparent indolence that is criminal. Asleep at the wheel doesn't begin to encompass the rank incompetence exhibited by this person. It is a pity that being subjected to being shackled in The Stocks are no longer a firm of punishment.

Having listened to this interview of senior leadership and others many times, it strikes me as remarkable that they can remember great details of little consequence but nothing of the red flags that threatened the very existance of the business and their position. This is 101 basic business acumen. The suggestions from all is that these 'slips' were common place. This is an afront to anyone with a modicum of sense. This is not a case of economy of truth but utter faslehoods. To sit there on your fat pensions while harder working honest people were throne into Dante's hell is beyond belief. I suggest as with others that psychopaths float to the top of large corporations hence the lack of compassion and human decency. I truly hope these individuals are held accountable and spend the rest of thier unproductive existence rotting away in some dark place.

Question: We ALL know by now that everyone at the top and very many right down to the bottom of the PO knew exactly the gravity of the affect of those Horizon's bugs on convicting, and ruining the lives, of all those sub postmasters and their families. We all know the internal and external legal system/advice knew this too, as well, of course, as Fujitsu. The 'pattern'(!!!) of what was happening for all those years was so painfully obvious. --> WHO in the government sanctioned/approved the PO's 'Horizon hush policy'? !!! --> WHO in the government sanctioned/approved the legal system's 'Horizon hush policy'? !!! We'll soon find out if that same controlling force will have a similar affect on this enquiry once it concludes. It is clear, by now, that criminal investigations must follow on, and subsequent jail time - for many - is obvious.

"Sorry Sir, I'm not going to be able to help you"

It’s most appropriate for the lady asking the questions to be dressed in black as if at a funeral because there are reputations and careers dying all over the place in that room 😂.

General Question: Is anyone else having difficulty finding Independent Sites covering the enquiry? YT ALWAYS give me a very limited choice from MSM only - no matter how I phrase the question. This can't be right, surely? There MUST be smaller/independent people covering this. Where are they?

I've tried to keep an open mind, but Jesus wept!!!! it gets worse and worse...

Makes one feel that one would like to apply a more pressurising questioning technique. The female Barrister is brilliantly calm and controlled and relentless however. What did Miller do for his huge salary? They all were in cahoots and determined not to drop each other in the mire, thus the poor Sub postmasters were tortured beyond belief. They all need to be sent to prison for a long stretch.

Got to love this lady and her pauses before dropping the next bomb (question) that must put the interviewee on an "Oh my God, what's next?" alert!

Selective memory syndrome..

Selective amnesia in full play.

Crossing your arms is a position of security and defensiveness, what does he need to fear if he is telling the truth and claiming he was, like ALL the others, innocent.

Their answers and excuses are nearly as worthless as their apologies.

It seems like they all knew about the problem but they all expected someone else to do something

Strange that he says he didn't read the info before signing off a claim. Someone needs to look at their manual of authorities. It would appears that either his recollections are wrong or he acted negligently. If only we has a functioning legal system.

Fujitsu needs taking to court.

Criminal charges should follow.

What's the point of this expensive hearing if they can easily reject any responsibility 😮

It appears that not one person is going to be charged let alone convicted of anything so far as a result of this enquiry, the only winners are the solicitors who are on a win win. I can't remember, I don't recall, I should have done this, I should have done that is no excuse, they must be charged for their wrong doings. Justice must be done, but more importantly justice must be seen to be done.

There are 2 phrase these POL people use most often. " I regret" and "I don't remember"

If all this money was missing…… where is it?? There MUST be an account somewhere with it all sitting in! Someone knows!!

I can’t remember, I didn’t read the document and I was on holiday at the time🤣🤣🤣

This inquiry consistantly demonstrates how many 'directors' at companies, obviously here demonstrated solely by the PO, aren't capable enough to hold such positions. Too many are there because of connections from past jobs and friendly interviews, rather than any true demonstrations of critical questioning, leadership, and thorough understanding.

Mr Miller basically said I did not do what I was paid for! My judgement was misguided and my trust misplaced. Would he consider paying back some of his salary and bonuses?

He just got RINSED!

The new motto of, "Post Office" should be, "NOT ME, GOV!"

Strange isn't it that they can't recall reading documents of importance or meetings of relevant importance that might incriminate themselves or make them look bad but can recall some specifics that make them look good. I sometimes wonder if Judge Judy was running this inquiry it would be concluded quite quickly with many of these 'defendants' being taken down. Astonishing how such incompetence is rewarded with such high renumeration.

He knew it was wrong and did nothing, still no empathy or shame.....They all look guilty..

It's perfectly obvious this chap has been very carefully coached to give the very shortest answers possible to each question.

Love the angles of the questions .....WOW!

They all remember that they are innocent of anything but don't remember details,no one appears to remember reading anything regarding the documents .

I can remember ridiculous levels of detail from work and meetings that I dealt with going back into the 80s and earlier. It beggars belief that these people really have so little knowledge or recollection of the work and people that they were involved with much more recently.

Lawks alive .... none of these executives, nor those lower down the chain, would have had any idea they'd be ripped to bits, however gently, in public like this. I doubt that Sir Wyn Williams' final report is going to be gentle at all; whenever he's asked a question, it's like a skewer pushed through a succulent joint of meat. What was that old cop show? No Hiding Place?

All of them knew about it right up into government, and they all decided that money instead of honesty was the way to go.

This is the man in 1999 who originally said that Horizon was 'robust' when there were known faults. Every (every!!) machine had 30 minute down time every month. It was known to be defective from the start. He then covered up the Coyne report again in 2003. It was a Titanic disaster except he saw the iceberg.

Stunning negligence.

It is time for the Government to start building New Prisons to hold all people involved in this Scandal responsible for there actions and all MP's as well??

Selective memory from those on ££££££££££££

The managerial interviews for post office executives: 'If asked can you recall anything that might be of use to us executives? 'Yes' If asked can you recall anything that may be of use to our workers and the public? 'No' 'Congratualtions, Can you start Monday?' 'Yes'

"I cannot remember", "I now regret", "I was not aware" are common answers to questions asked as well as a stony silence for more than several seconds when a very awkward question is asked

He remembers the exact words where it helps evade blame, but has no recollection of the issues in the questions that matter.

Sitting there with your 10K watch on.

Paying off a single postmaster whose own expert witness finds a Horizon fault...to keep it quiet....and seeking no further investigation or asking no further questions.

This was going for 20 years and no one stopped it.

They have all been coached to forget they new anything by the lawyers that they are employing to defend themselves.

Put them on trial and let’s make sure there are some ordinary citizens can remember more than these criminals

This is Very Serious in deed. All those responsible should be charged with the indictable offence of conspiracy, aiding and abetting under section 4-5 of criminal law act 1967. All those involved should be charged with perverting the corse of justice which is a common law offence.

Absolutely no one, ever, that I know of in a position like this would authorise a payment of that magnitude without all of the details. This guy is about as credible as Alina Habba.

His memory lapse will come back to him after 6 months in Solitary.

Surprising (or not) how little any of these people remember, how defensive they are, how little contrition they exhibit. What an utterly shameful lot they are.

Wyn rinses him!!

Probably the young woman, who is questioning David Miller is a hope for Great- Sorry, for Britain. I wish her a great Career!

The exchange between Sir Wyn Williams and David Miller, from 7.00 to 8.20, amounts to Sir Wyn extracting from Mr. Miller the admission that he had allowed a cover-up to take place.

The phrase 'rabbit caught in car headlights' comes to mind!

Here’s an exert from a senior POL managers interview panel. Questioner. So, can we just ask, have you ever heard of the phrase, “Corporate Dementia”? Interviewee. “ Er.. I might have I can’t remember.” Q. When did you hear about it? I. “ We’ll I can’t answer specifically, but I do know I would have done.” Q. “Would have or should have?” “ Sorry I can’t remember specifics.” Q. “Was it from a colleague?” I. “ I can’t remember.” Q. “Congratulations you’ve got the job!” 😡😡

My brother works in a warehouse as a forklift truck driver on minimum wage he got a written warning for putting a role of carpet in the wrong aisle This guy is on 5x more salary a manager and he doesn't get any admonishing whatsoever ever

This po pensioner ON AROUND THE £400K PER ANNUM, was asked if he was INCOMPETENT OR A LIAR ! He chose not to be a LIAR !!!!! therefore, by his own admission HE IS INCOMPETENT................................ Very nice little earner for someone not aware of whats happening around them !!!!!!!!!!! Happy Days.