*Do you know of any other post-war plans that weren't followed?*

For the Japanese one, the reason was actually lack of interest of all parties. Republic of China didnt want Shikoku because of Chinese civil war. UK's economy was battered after the war, so they didnt prefer the southern part. Plus, it had no resources. Soviet union didnt get North Japan was because the US didnt want to share a border with USSR like in Germany. France was kept out of the plan because it didnt contribute anything in the Pacific theatre. So, Japan was occupied by USA. It was stripped of its armed forces and has American military bases to this day.

The Morgenthau plan would have also involved complete German de-industrialization. De facto trying to make the country poor. It was a plan for people who had not understood the role of the Versailles Treaty in the origins of WWII.

To be honest, I was expecting General Knowledge to say “War. War never changes.”

2:11 there are a few things missing from the map. Mainly, Italian and French occupations in Southern Anatolia. Italians left Anatolia in protest because they got way less than what the Allies promised them. They also left their weapons for the Turkish nationalists lol French however actually fought for the area around Cilicia. They armed Armenian gangs but then decided they were too brutal and continued the fight with their own soldiers, until they were beaten. France was also the first Allied power to recognize Turkey's independence, in the Treaty of Ankara which they made peace. The map shows only the areas to be annexed, but doesn't show the areas to be occupied.

There is a big mistake in the Turkish part. Treaty of Sevres enabled allied powers to invade Ottoman land gradually if the majority of the residents is not Turkish in a specific region. After Sevres has signed, allied powers provoked Armenians and Kurdish in the east and Greek in the west to change the demographic structures of regions in order to claim these lands. What ended up happening was the Turkish Independence War because of this aggressive invasion. The motto of the De Facto Turkish Government back then was, “Independence or Death”. Lesson of the story, do not push limits too much especially if they are Turkish or German.

I read that after Paraguay war ended, Argentina proposed to completely dissolve Paraguay between them and Brazil

You forgot to mention that, according to a study led by Herbert Hoover, the Morgenthau plan could caused the death of 25 million germans by famine. Great video as always, hugs from a brazilian!

After WWI, Poland and Lithuania weren't going to be annexed. They were already created into kingdoms. The kingdom of Poland and the Kingdom of Lithuania were made in 1917.

France: **wants to partitions some parts of Germany** Germans: what part of *NEIN* do you not understand

That treaty is the softened of Sevres after the national assembly started a rebellion against the original. The original was far worse. The original basically gave the entire Agean region and Thrace to Greece , the Mediterranean to Italy , the Southeast to France and the proposed Kurdistan state , the east to Armenia and Istanbul was to be made an internationally governed city. It also basically made the economy be completely in the hands of Europe and basically disbanded whatever armed forces the Ottomans had. It was a ludicrous treaty. I'm glad we didn't accept either of those.

There were three pre-20th century wars that had post-war plans that were never followed by specific countries. - The Italian War of 1521-1526: After the capture of Francis I, the King of France at the Battle of Pavia in 1525, he was forced to sign the Treaty of Madrid. The provisions of the treaty would've seen France cede Lombardy to a restored Francesco II Sforza as Duke of Milan, renounce all claims to Italy, Flanders and Artois, cede French Burgundy to Emperor Charles V, return the lands siezed from Imperial ally the Duke of Bourbon and on top of it, surrender Provence to the man. Furthermore, his ally, the King of Navarre would be forced to cede his claims and all his lands to Charles by right as Spanish King of Navarre. Although the treaty was signed, it was immediately repudiated following Francis' return to France. - War of the Sixth Coalition: Prior to the Coalition's invasion of France in 1814, the Coalition offered peace terms, in the form of the Frankfurt Proposals. In this, France would lose control and influence over Poland, Spain, the Netherlands and Italy, but would be allowed to retain control of their natural frontier, effectively, returning France to its pre-Napoleonic Wars territories it directly controlled (Belgium, the Rhenish left bank, Western Switzerland and Nice). Napoleon, still believe the war could be turned around dithered, and would historically go on to lose both those lands for France but also lose the throne for himself and his son. - Congress of Vienna: Prior to the Hundred Days, Prussia and Russia aligned with each other and also threatened war over the fate of Poland and Saxony, in particular, Russia desired to annex all of the former Polish partition territories as a Kingdom of Poland within the Russian Empire (or at the very least, a united Polish state under personal union with Russia under Tsar Alexander I). Prussia was on board as its king, Frederick William III, sought to annex all of Saxony, a move that irked Britain and Austria, and had it not been for Napoleon effectively siezing power and launching the Hundred Days War, it was likely that Prussia and Russia would fight Britain and Austria (with France likely aligning with one of the two) to change the map in their favor.

One must note that the idea of Germany annexing large swaths of Poland and the Baltics in WW1 fell more and more out of favor in the Reichstag and instead new proposals arose like the United Baltic Duchy that existed for a short time.

Tbh the way Turkey booted out the allies, if the Ottoman Empire was as united, they mightve saved all or most of their territories. Too bad the empire was already on its last legs and the ww1 was just the final catalyst.

The Trieste/Trst sittuation after ww2 was quite interesting, almost even starting ww3

There's another post-war treaty that never been followed is the return of the 4 small islands of Southern Kuril Islands to Japan in the San Francisco Treaty of 1951 in which the Soviet Union didn't attend on that treaty. Just like the town of Olivenca in Spain, the Southern Kuril Islands which is near to Hokkaido was a long history of being part of Japan right before the Russo-Japanese War in 1904 but at the end of the World War II, those 4 small islands had been occupied by the Soviet Union followed by the invasion of the entire Kuril Islands and Japan wants to bring it back to them as what they called it as the Northern Territory but because of the Cold War and Japan had lost in the war just like her allied country, Germany, the Soviets refused it and up to this day the Southern Kuril Islands are on a territorial dispute between Russia and Japan but there was a peace talks regarding to handed over back to those islands to Japan but there are no developments.

Well, I don't know about examples, but considering the restructuring that happened through it, I think there might be stuff related to the Peace of Westphalia. Simply because basically everyone in Europe was dragged into the 30 years war

re: the dutch annexation and return of german land in 1963, a dutch friend once told me a story (that i never bothered to verify) over how lots of people got rich overnight. The Dutch and W.German govt agreed on when everyone would be once again German citizens. Everything they owned inside that land would also be considered German owned, thus no IMPORT TAXES would be levied. Cue a golden rush the days preceeding the return, with many stocking consumer goods on sheds, warehouses, trucks, stables, any empty rooms they could find... only to be sold with a premium discount once they became German.

the thing with olivenza is that before 1801 the olivenzas people said that they where spanish or portugues depending on the circunstance is said that the tax collectors of spain and portugal where force to go together house by house for the taxes and aparently who pay taxes to one or another depend in which was lower other point is that technically by some weird feudal law was a vassal of the crown of castilla and the crown of portugal simultaneously

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Great video. I didn't know there were plans to divide up Japan with my country's involvement, nor have I heard of the "Saar" and they had their own flag!?

Almost all are about my home country Germany 🇩🇪. Whom my grandmother spoke a German accent that os similar to Dutch. And my Grandfather had too flee from Bohemia modern day Czechia because back then the Sudetenland where a historically German influenced part since the 16 century. Well that’s life I guess.

Very interesting! Part of history we never had at school!

Lausanne was not a decleration of "loss of territory" or the "Ottoman Empire's death". Your narrative somehow makes it look like the independence war wasn't a thing and it was just a give away of the empire. Also the international zone was not to "remain Turkish".

Fun fact: the president of Extremadura (the spanish region where Olivenza is) was born in Olivenza. I find it curious that someone of a "conflicted territory" works for the government

This is so interesting!

Os alentejanos lá pensaram que não valia a pena ficar com mais uns chaparros, visto que já têm tantos. Esta foi a razão pela qual Olivença ficou para Espanha :D

There was a plan in the 1870s, after the paraguay war, to completely eliminate paraguay from existence, with half of it going to argwntina and half to brazil, however, it never took

Always is forgotten that Portugal (thru Brasil) invaded also Uruguay and that Sul states to Spain, which should also have given back to Spain, but afterwards came various independences and so on.. but some parts of South Brasil should have been given back to Spain at that time or later case to Uruguay-Agentina-Paraguay(?), in ex change to Olivenza. So Spain lost more.

Belgian annexations plans after WW1 included parts of Germany, all of Luxembourg (which was Belgiums ally) and the Dutch territory of Zeeuws-Vlaanderen and entire province of Limburg, while the Netherlands was neutral in WW1

Great video.

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'Territorial changes are a big part in military conflicts' Germany: ... umm yeah

Spaniard here. From what I know, th reason Olivença wasn't returned was because modern-day Uruguay was given to Portugal.

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Divided Japan would have twice the anime, twice the J-Pop and their own version of Kim Jong-un if that had happened.

The Soviets/Russians didn't -- and still don't -- understand: Most countries prefer the Americans to you. Forward this memo to the Chinese.

Ok so with japan, it was partially devided with britian being given some parts, but it didint last long, they were very poor and an occupation costs alot. As for the other ones, the USA having done most of the work in the war refused to give the USSR anything and China was very busy with a civil war so they didint care. In the end the usa was the only one left.

Interesting stuff

i appreciate the Belgian anthem at the beginning as background music! ;)

8:00 South Germany would later come together with Switzerland because i remember there was a voting if Badenwuerthemberg would join Switzerland but it stopped before the vote. This great state would be the power nation in Europe i believe.

There was also a Soviet plan to invade Spain between them and the Allies to overthrow Francisco Franco from power since he supported the Axis in the Eastern Front against Stalin in WWII. This plan was never accepted mostly thanks to UK oposing to the idea

3:05 imagine a socialist japan like the german democratic republic, i would love to see the anime produced in this country

If you want to see what happens to a country that got divided... look at Hungary. They were forced into WWI and could not got over that loss in the last 100 years.

Also the Allies wanted to give south Tyrol back to Austria, but as Austria declared its neutrality they thought they needed a stronger Italy againt communism rather than a stronger buffer zone in between.

Good video

Bakker-Schut Plan would have meant many big German cities becoming Dutch with its original population being expelled: Aachen, Cologne, Mönchengladbach, Neuss, Kleve, Münster, Osnabrück, Oldenburg, Wilhelmshaven.

Correction: you made the Dutch plan sound a bit more genocidal than it was. The plan was to elevate regional languages in the Netherlands (limburgish and low Saxon) to official state languages. These dialects continue over the German border, and were spoken by a majority of the people in the to-be-annexed area. Very few people with strong ancestral ties to the land would have had to be deported, because all those people spoke the local dialect. Only recent intranational migrants and their children were at risk of deportation.

Post WW2 there is a plan to annex Patani, Yala, and Narathiwat, Thailand’s southern most provinces into Malaya by the British.

Will you bring back the flag contest?

The Olivenza claim is not really conflicted anymore and hasn't been for ages. I'm from Spain and practically no one knows or cares about the Olivenza situation and I'm probably sure it's the same for Portugal. As a Spaniard I'm glad we got to keep it though, even if it is a very small territory in a relatively poor region.

The post nepolonic plans. The one I'm most intrested in the context of ideas of nationalism is the idea of France 'natural' boarders being on the rhine. If that had occurred i seen alternative modern day where it is the obvious boarder- the giant river that was the old boundary of gual and germania

you should have made a map of every thing if it was changed

History Matters recently released a video about post-Napoleonic division plans for France that never happened.

Allies: "Okay, Now the Great War is over, let's divide the Turkish territory." Mustafa Kemal Atatürk: "Hold my Turkish coffee!" 🇹🇷 🇹🇷 🇹🇷 Celebrating the 100th anniversary of The Victory Day! 30th of August! 🇹🇷 🇹🇷 🇹🇷

The Peace of Utrecht signed by the belligerents in the War of the Spanish Succession, in April 1713, was not completly fulfilled or its provitions lasted a short while. In 1707 Nueva Planta Decrees cancelled historical rights of Calatunya and art. XIII of Utrecht Treaty about devolution of these was never implemented.

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Unfinished business, on few occasion, I am glad the plans were never followed.

I would say Brest-Litovsk was almost completely implemented; just the parts which said Germany would control the new states it created fell through. The USSR eventually reconquered the territory the treaty gave up, but for a little while there were independent Baltics and a much enlarged Poland.

whats everyones obsession bringing kurds in everything? in the treaty of sevres those areas are devided in armenian, brittish and french control

Japan should thank its lucky stars every day that it didn't lose half the country to Stalin

The European West Anatolia was the only solution for millions of people that unfortunately slaughtered in the end. Europe needs to wake up at some point.

Interesting video. If Operation Downfall happened at the same time as the Hiroshima and Nagasaki atomic bombs, Japan would have been divided after World War II. If the Treaty of Sèvres had never been replaced by the Treaty of Lausanne, and the Turkish War of Independence never happened, Turkey would have been divided after World War I. If the citizens of Saarland voted to stay under French occupation after World War I or World War II, Saarland would either have been annexed by France after World War I or became an independent country after World War II. If Germany won World War I, it would have annexed Poland and Lithuania, and Estonia, Latvia, Finland, Belarus and Ukraine would have became German puppet states. If the Morgenthau Plan happened, Germany would have been divided between a North Germany, a South Germany, and an international zone in the Rhineland. If Spain followed the terms of the Congress of Vienna, Olivenza would have been returned to Portugal. If the United States accepted the Dutch proposal to annex parts of western Germany after World War II, the Netherlands would have annexed parts of western Germany after World War II like Poland and the Soviet Union did with parts of eastern Germany including Silesia, Pomerania and East Prussia.

I'm glad that Japan didn't end up divided.

In Russia, instead of Войне, they use a euphemism which has as many words as war has letters.

What about when they were gonna divide Austria, the same way they divided Germany?

Another one I didn't know was the plans to annex parts of France after Napoleons defeat. It was mostly the neighboring countries that wanted a piece of France after the war but in the end Britain was against it and instead pushed to have France go back to its original borders.

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you should do what defines nations borders

Not a Treaty, but (WWI) the British promised the Arab a homeland if they fought against the Turkish.

Which language does the area disputed between Portugal and Spain speak?

nice

bruh that french accent you got killed me

I might be wrong, but is the belgian anthem playing in the beginning?

Saar : France suck, I'm with Germany. Also Saar : Independence suck, I'm with Germany.

Diplomats do so enjoy redrawing maps of other countries.....

the British commonwealth forces did occupy Japan for a brief period of time

Additional info on the Japanese plan, the Korean Republic was supposed to be included as the one occupying Southern Kyushu and Tsushima Island but due to the failure of the supposed Korean referendum in 1948, this led to the Korean War. This is why Korea's occupation of Southern Kyushu and Tsushima did not happen.

3:08 If This Triety actually put in effect my favorite Crayon Shin Chan never even came to exist 🐸 Hiroshi from Backward Soviet Misai from classic British occupation And Shin Chan Crazy American 😅

How hard did you have to try not to say carved up Turkey?

Please do a video that what if Indian states broke up please

Wtf there was Belgium's anthem playing in the backround at the begening of the video

The fight of territory of landscape in World even today. 🌎

i have a question. Why do people pronounce turkish states like Izmir Erzurum and Trabzon, in other languages like Smyrna erzerem.. ?

What about when Denmark would take back lands from Germany after the First World War?

If it had been followed, we could have ended up with many other versions of Israel Palestine

Its not Constantinople it is Istanbul

Maybe they needed better directions

Ohh no I could of been Dutch :(, ohh I moved anyways to Amsterdam soo yay

Anybody else wondering why the Belgian national anthem was playing in the background at the start of the video?

1:26 in alternate universe this map is real.

Why did the US say no to the Bakker-Schut Plan?

Epa quando vi Valença metida nisto rolei pelo chao a rir sabendo de onde es ehehe mas parabens pelo video.

The treaty of Brest-Litovsk proclaimed independent Ukraine

So there no planned to divide italy ?

3:12 the two green zones on the map for UK are island of Kyushu and adjacent Chugoku. Shikoku island is marked as controlled by ROC in purple on your map. . en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ch%C5%ABgoku_region. i understand they sound similar, but you said Shikoku twice

You forgot about the Mîsâk-ı Millî for Turkey.

Some of those plans were just postponed

Italy was supposed to be partitioned by Allies too