i think that it should have stayed on for laten and denon, but not achillo

As someone who is trying to learn to be a raptor main, I thought the latch=no damage was a good way to balance the scales, esp since they nerfed bleed so hard on the raptors, AND latched attacks do 50% less damage. So while many apex and mid tier players were panicking over it, the fact was it was still VERY difficult for 1-3 small raptors to kill even a mid size dino before it kills you. If they're rolling this back, I hope they give raptors some of their bleed back, cuz otherwise they're basically just flies to be squashed by everything else. Achillo is prob the only dino that was worth rolling it back on, since they're way more powerful than the two smaller raptors and rhamp

Alderon is VERY silent about why they make changes. They basically never explain why they buff/nerf/rework something, and as far as I know have never responded to questions regarding why they made a change they did. That's probably why they never made an announcement about reverting this change, they just seem to really hate explaining or even talking about changes they make in the game. As far as what I think about the change, it's for the best. They already made pouncing much stronger by making you have to hit a prompt to buck, bucking hardly drains any stamina from pounced dinos, and the removal of the no-pounce hides. I know that raptor mains hate it, and I feel you. But having every mid and apex-tier dino be able to be almost casually picked apart by pouncing raptors was extremely frustrating.

@@Stayfnay42 well I’m afraid I disagree from experience when 4 Achilles with raptor strike were nuking my health into oblivion and there was nothing I could do but waste stam they jump off and run away rinse repeat and I can do nothing I played raptor I was fine with taking damage as raptor you have to play smart

Rhamphorhynchus should be completely immune to all damage when latched, because lucky feather is completely useless if you're latched on during combat, which is pretty much what Rhamp is _meant_ to do. Raptors getting immunity is ridiculous, though, and it getting removed is awesome. All it did was make solo players unable to defend themselves against an even slightly competent solitary raptor.

Probably because they realized their mistake, lol. But this is a win. They have proven that they listen to their community. I love this game. God has certainly blessed us with this ☝️ ✝️

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@@SamuRhino2023 idk chief seems sus, Alderon Games is way better than Afterthought in terms of communication but this is fishy.

It is a win especially for solos who run dinos unable to run slick hide/feathers/scales. But its bad that they didn't announce it.

Maybe it refers to reflexive damage only? Like when normally bitting a kentro causes bleed but when you’re pounced it doesn’t apply bleed

You may be totally correct 😂 I was wondering if it was a “let’s just brush this under the rug” type thing until they figure it out

@@Khanware 🤣🤣 most definitely seems like that one to me actually.

Even then you'd think they wouldn't have included it in the patchnotes if it was an accident.

Yeah people would like them more if they publicly owned up to mistakes. Just looks better overall, we’re all human

​@Khanware Well, they'd better. Rhamphs got hit the hardest by this change and rhamphs were rough prior to it anyways.

I agree. Raptor players are a bit upset bc they can't just run up on you and latch wherever.

The only reason they changed it in the first place is bc the hitboxes are fucked and weird as he'll

they had already reduced damage inflicted by a latched dino by 50%. I do hope they give the raptors SOMETHING back tho, cuz right now they're so squishy (at least the little guys)

@@Stayfnay42yeah I’d be fine if they kept it how it was Dino’s just do normal damage while latched

Well you’d think if they were just temporarily rolling it back, they’d communicate that to the player base OR at least reply to my bug report saying it’s a temp solution

Oh no… maybe it’s a fully bugged accidental change then and they’re just pretending it’s not bugged LOL

Maip could hit latched dinos from anywhere before this change occured. You could use tail attack to hit dinos on your hip and claw attack to hit ones on your chest. Lambeo had a similar thing where rodeo kick can hit pounced things off of it. Unless you mean other attacks in which this may be the case.

@@Khanware ​Going off of what Wesasaurus-rex said: After the reverse tho Maips could still hit laten on it hips with its claws or bite. Lambeo also was able to hit latens with its front kicks even if the laten was on the lambeos hips but rodeo didnt hit. Its overall a very odd situation. looking on their discord bug forum said basically the same as the video "...not a bug or wont be fixed..."

Modded servers can adjust dino settings however they see, fit, this may not apply on officials

Beats me! I’d figure clear communication with their player base would be beneficial for everyone involved

@@theeviltobey oh hey Tobey didn’t know you perused quality content while also making it.

Considering the founder of this fame is an ex Isle coder, I wouldn't expect it to be any different

100% agreeded

Yall some salty ass apex mains

@@hippopotamus91as a small main that mechanic was the worst thing ever

@bokadam2851 Being a hatz main was the worst thing for them lol

@@hippopotamus91 hey it’s okay to project your feelings onto other people. It’s natural.

In discord they show the path notes as soon as they drop. So communication is not a problem just look at ark survival ascended

Lack of communication? Where? You trippin hard bro wtf

@@Mrmilk8982 that's true but tbh I am so stick of every game in the world needing you to be a part of the discord now to get information on the game. Discord is to chat with my friends it is not a game launcher, it is not twitter, stop making me make a mess of my discord with 50 thousand game servers just to see patch notes, and updates, why else do you have a launcher with a news feature if you don't use it?

@@nigelthornberry7513 they also have an official site

⁠​⁠@@nigelthornberry7513you are spot on!! 👏👏👏 why have a news tab if you don’t post there? Why post patch notes that include only half the things that they changed? Why have inaccurate ability descriptions? Why not announce an important change like pounce? And why do I have to join the discord to find these half baked announcements?

Yea ramph is the one Dino that has a big excuse for not taking damage while latched. Very hard for it to do as much without that

This! 🔥

It’s very possible. Just a strange choice not to communicate any of that to the community

I was once on Achillo when I was grabbed by a Hatz > I used the claw attack and the Hatz took damage. So maybe only certain attack?

My Achillo wasn’t an adult ( in case of wandering how I was grabbed since I don’t think adult Achilles can be grabbed )

Why is that remotely fair?

@@nophlast4237because you can already shake us off, and have someone else bite us off. It’s unnecessary for you to also be able to damage us. What’s the point of even pouncing just to get 1 bite out of taking major damage from you, and then die to possibly another Dino biting us to get us off. Too much risk with little reward. Not to mention sometimes when I’m pounced with another raptor pounced in the other side, we end up damaging eachother. Like what is even the point. To me, it’s whatever. But seeing people complain about how broken or op it is, is a bit over exaggerated imo.

@@nophlast4237 when we try to use pack tactics and a rex can just turn and bite us in the face and we die then why even use pounce

@@nophlast4237 why even use pounce if you can just turn and bite us in the face? Ofc your gonna be a larger creature if we're pouncing you so your gonna do more damage during the pounce so there's no reward for even pouncing

@@ragingamigo1191 there are locations on Rex you’re completely safe, latch onto the hip, abort if near the face. Assess fights and know that yes your tiny chicken can get 1 tapped by the largest apex predator history has ever seen on land with the strongest bite force in history. Fighting a Rex should have risks associated if you don’t position well. I literally play laten and dienon and it’s super unfair to just get free damage with 0 counterplay options for solo Dino’s. It’s not hard to hunt as a pouncer you just need to manage stam and timing

@@Gilbosaurus Yeah that was 3 or 4 weeks ago. Now they’ve changed it back without saying a word which is very strange

Definitely agree on the game direction point. They haven’t been sure what they want it to be for a while now. Started out trying to be true dino survival game with combat elements. Now it’s leaning heavily toward combat focus with vestiges of survival elements still trailing along

Definitely on the list of things to cover at some point! I did a full achillo combat guide which you might find helpful for general combat. Strats will obviously vary somewhat dino to dino, but there are some general tips in there that might help you out (like shaking tail riders, etc)

@@Khanware I’ll rewatch it! That video was awesome! Thanks!

They are definitely steering the game in the direction of a PvP spam fest instead of a true Dino survival game, sad. Probably because it appeals to a wider audience

@@Khanware I agree

Fair points, but what are the two options with the previous latch system? If you can’t bite raptors, the only thing you can do is hit the jump QTE’s to shake them off. Just wondering which other option you’re referencing

Pounce with the change is a brainrot mechanic but now with it being reverted, it takes actually a little bit of skill.

Who knows, it might be a temp change or maybe it was done by accident and they just didn’t admit it. There’s still hope for a more balanced latch system

No they aren’t

@@mesozoicgames6813 they are, though. When was the last time you genuinely felt threatened by a Laten/Deinon?

THANK YOU I want to main laten, but they are nearly impossible to make kills with unless you have like, a pack of 10

@@Stayfnay42I’m sorry your 1 slot can’t solo rexes anymore 😢

@@TankManHeavylatens and Deions are fantastic in group synergies as scouts and slowdown machines (forcing a Dino to slow down and pay attention to you.) They can stop Hatz from taking off, and put pressure on fleeing Dino’s to not be able to heal. It should also be noted that most Dino’s can’t hit you if you land on their hips, so there are still safe ways to pull off pounces.