What do you all think of the latch mechanic change being reverted? Any thoughts on why Alderon didn't announce this change? Let me know in the comments below! Edit: Remember, it’s okay if you have differing takes or opinions from other commenters about the latch changes, but please try to keep discussions civil!
@GlitchGlitchtrapАй бұрын
i think that it should have stayed on for laten and denon, but not achillo
@Stayfnay42Ай бұрын
As someone who is trying to learn to be a raptor main, I thought the latch=no damage was a good way to balance the scales, esp since they nerfed bleed so hard on the raptors, AND latched attacks do 50% less damage. So while many apex and mid tier players were panicking over it, the fact was it was still VERY difficult for 1-3 small raptors to kill even a mid size dino before it kills you. If they're rolling this back, I hope they give raptors some of their bleed back, cuz otherwise they're basically just flies to be squashed by everything else. Achillo is prob the only dino that was worth rolling it back on, since they're way more powerful than the two smaller raptors and rhamp
@abyssaldragonslayer4389Ай бұрын
Alderon is VERY silent about why they make changes. They basically never explain why they buff/nerf/rework something, and as far as I know have never responded to questions regarding why they made a change they did. That's probably why they never made an announcement about reverting this change, they just seem to really hate explaining or even talking about changes they make in the game. As far as what I think about the change, it's for the best. They already made pouncing much stronger by making you have to hit a prompt to buck, bucking hardly drains any stamina from pounced dinos, and the removal of the no-pounce hides. I know that raptor mains hate it, and I feel you. But having every mid and apex-tier dino be able to be almost casually picked apart by pouncing raptors was extremely frustrating.
@rhadaghasttheenraged9627Ай бұрын
@@Stayfnay42 well I’m afraid I disagree from experience when 4 Achilles with raptor strike were nuking my health into oblivion and there was nothing I could do but waste stam they jump off and run away rinse repeat and I can do nothing I played raptor I was fine with taking damage as raptor you have to play smart
@Kami74159Ай бұрын
Rhamphorhynchus should be completely immune to all damage when latched, because lucky feather is completely useless if you're latched on during combat, which is pretty much what Rhamp is _meant_ to do. Raptors getting immunity is ridiculous, though, and it getting removed is awesome. All it did was make solo players unable to defend themselves against an even slightly competent solitary raptor.
@MeekotheMuttАй бұрын
So weird that they’d role back these changes silently! 🤨🤥
@SamuRhino2023Ай бұрын
Probably because they realized their mistake, lol. But this is a win. They have proven that they listen to their community. I love this game. God has certainly blessed us with this ☝️ ✝️
@ducestat06savage99Ай бұрын
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@nophlast4237Ай бұрын
@@SamuRhino2023 idk chief seems sus, Alderon Games is way better than Afterthought in terms of communication but this is fishy.
@bcalathАй бұрын
It is a win especially for solos who run dinos unable to run slick hide/feathers/scales. But its bad that they didn't announce it.
@alexarias4099Ай бұрын
Maybe it refers to reflexive damage only? Like when normally bitting a kentro causes bleed but when you’re pounced it doesn’t apply bleed
@Louvenoire05Ай бұрын
Maybe it’s an « oopsie we didn’t mean to do that, well just change it back no need to talk about it » type of thing? 🤣
@KhanwareАй бұрын
You may be totally correct 😂 I was wondering if it was a “let’s just brush this under the rug” type thing until they figure it out
@Louvenoire05Ай бұрын
@@Khanware 🤣🤣 most definitely seems like that one to me actually.
@modernmarrow1411Ай бұрын
Even then you'd think they wouldn't have included it in the patchnotes if it was an accident.
@KhanwareАй бұрын
Yeah people would like them more if they publicly owned up to mistakes. Just looks better overall, we’re all human
@zombiemeerkat8958Ай бұрын
@Khanware Well, they'd better. Rhamphs got hit the hardest by this change and rhamphs were rough prior to it anyways.
@duckiidexАй бұрын
It made a bunch of people upset, latch is still completely viable without it, nothing should be completely invincable while pouncing. You just need to actually calculate where to pounce instead of poucing and spamming bite(which take 0 skill at all) then jumping off and regaining ur stam within 10 seconds of sitting. All dinos have weak spots. Just find those out and go for them and youll be just fine.
@HOMERDisk0123Ай бұрын
I agree. Raptor players are a bit upset bc they can't just run up on you and latch wherever.
@Dovakinn1903Ай бұрын
The only reason they changed it in the first place is bc the hitboxes are fucked and weird as he'll
@DawnFire05Ай бұрын
Perhaps they haven’t said anything yet because they’ve rolled it back for now, but will be replacing it with a different feature soon such as reduced damage when pounced.
@Stayfnay42Ай бұрын
they had already reduced damage inflicted by a latched dino by 50%. I do hope they give the raptors SOMETHING back tho, cuz right now they're so squishy (at least the little guys)
@nophlast4237Ай бұрын
@@Stayfnay42yeah I’d be fine if they kept it how it was Dino’s just do normal damage while latched
@KhanwareАй бұрын
Well you’d think if they were just temporarily rolling it back, they’d communicate that to the player base OR at least reply to my bug report saying it’s a temp solution
@viisrah3492Ай бұрын
Funny enough Now it seems raptors take dmg from ANYWHERE on the latched dino. Before the no dmg updated raptors could latch to the hips or back legs of a dino and not take dmg, however, now no matter what slot you latch to, you will take dmg. It happend with a lambeo and a maip(modded dino) so its not just a mod thing.
@KhanwareАй бұрын
Oh no… maybe it’s a fully bugged accidental change then and they’re just pretending it’s not bugged LOL
@Wesasaurus-RexАй бұрын
Maip could hit latched dinos from anywhere before this change occured. You could use tail attack to hit dinos on your hip and claw attack to hit ones on your chest. Lambeo had a similar thing where rodeo kick can hit pounced things off of it. Unless you mean other attacks in which this may be the case.
@viisrah3492Ай бұрын
@@Khanware Going off of what Wesasaurus-rex said: After the reverse tho Maips could still hit laten on it hips with its claws or bite. Lambeo also was able to hit latens with its front kicks even if the laten was on the lambeos hips but rodeo didnt hit. Its overall a very odd situation. looking on their discord bug forum said basically the same as the video "...not a bug or wont be fixed..."
@andrewprince4048Ай бұрын
Modded servers can adjust dino settings however they see, fit, this may not apply on officials
@ceathedragonsaver142912 күн бұрын
Thank goodness. As a Pachy player kicking off raptors was my only hope 🥲 weird that they didn’t say they undid it? Thanks for making a video about this!
@theeviltobeyАй бұрын
These devs are strange man. Have a few stories of them doing odd stuff like this
@KhanwareАй бұрын
Beats me! I’d figure clear communication with their player base would be beneficial for everyone involved
@nophlast4237Ай бұрын
@@theeviltobey oh hey Tobey didn’t know you perused quality content while also making it.
@SHAZZZZZA15 күн бұрын
Considering the founder of this fame is an ex Isle coder, I wouldn't expect it to be any different
@vladline1882Ай бұрын
Immortal pounce is stupid anyway
@karmanrathАй бұрын
100% agreeded
@hippopotamus91Ай бұрын
Yall some salty ass apex mains
@bokadam2851Ай бұрын
@@hippopotamus91as a small main that mechanic was the worst thing ever
@hippopotamus91Ай бұрын
@bokadam2851 Being a hatz main was the worst thing for them lol
@nophlast4237Ай бұрын
@@hippopotamus91 hey it’s okay to project your feelings onto other people. It’s natural.
@Zexion0the0greatАй бұрын
POT suffers from Several issues: Lack of communication, Never telling you the stats of the dino, update logs days after the update. They either Buff or Nerf too hard. Remeber when venom was useless then OP in a single change? They allow Laggy Phone players on the same servers that people on actual PCs use, without having any checks for the quality on connection, causing them to be lagy and hard to hit. The one thing that i think they are doing good on is the Cheating situtaion. Tarkov might be a solid 30% cheaters, while in 2-3k hours on POT offical servers ive never seen any-one one that i could undeniably call a hacker or cheater.
@Mrmilk8982Ай бұрын
In discord they show the path notes as soon as they drop. So communication is not a problem just look at ark survival ascended
@giant3854Ай бұрын
Lack of communication? Where? You trippin hard bro wtf
@nigelthornberry7513Ай бұрын
@@Mrmilk8982 that's true but tbh I am so stick of every game in the world needing you to be a part of the discord now to get information on the game. Discord is to chat with my friends it is not a game launcher, it is not twitter, stop making me make a mess of my discord with 50 thousand game servers just to see patch notes, and updates, why else do you have a launcher with a news feature if you don't use it?
@Mrmilk8982Ай бұрын
@@nigelthornberry7513 they also have an official site
@MeekotheMuttАй бұрын
@@nigelthornberry7513you are spot on!! 👏👏👏 why have a news tab if you don’t post there? Why post patch notes that include only half the things that they changed? Why have inaccurate ability descriptions? Why not announce an important change like pounce? And why do I have to join the discord to find these half baked announcements?
@crayonziiАй бұрын
I knew they were gonna cancel the unable to hit pounced dino update cus of the massive feedback, but I thought they would at least do a heads up.
@modernmarrow1411Ай бұрын
Yeah, idk why they wouldn't communicate anything regarding that. It makes it a lot more frustrating for people willing to take time out of their day to report bugs. If I don't know what is intentional or not, then what should I be bug reporting?
@vaulk894927 күн бұрын
It's not the first or 100th time that they've shadow buffed or nerfed the Dinos in-game. The last time I reported a bug to the development team, I was banned from their discord. Since then I gave up on reporting bugs. I've actually mentioned this several times on reddit and, eventually, the moderator team on reddit reached out to me and asked what I was talking about. When I gave them the breakdown of what happened, they asked for details (When, what time) so I sent them screenshots of the entire ordeal and then they never responded to me. I assume they were hoping to prove that it wasn't true and, when I showed them the evidence, they shut up real quick.
@Stitch2316Ай бұрын
I’ve had arguments with people on the game today not understanding that I’m happy they removed it but I think it’s weird they didn’t announce it almost as if they are embarrassed to either give into community feedback or are embarrassed they made raptors unhitable when latched but either way they should have said they removed latch invulnerability because it’s causing confusion and arguments
@Silent_menceАй бұрын
I’m happy is back
@K-popQueenSoo-AhАй бұрын
I find the revert ok for most playable but for Rhamphy it stinks. It was such a good buff for poor squishy Rhamphy who dies in 2 hits from basically everything except smaller tier creatures. It very painful as a Rhamphy enjoyer and hurts its support capability
@KhanwareАй бұрын
Yea ramph is the one Dino that has a big excuse for not taking damage while latched. Very hard for it to do as much without that
@AllMighty_ToastАй бұрын
They should just keep the immorta-pounce on rhamph and not other pouncers Cause pounce on damage dealers is already nuts it doesnt need to be immortal and rhamph is just a damageless supporter
@AntiSimpTrooper-175Ай бұрын
Ig They knew they fucked up if they ever gotten mail after mail of people complaining about this. So instead of facing the light like you'd think, they sliently js popped it back in
@BS64.Ай бұрын
They did not even say anything like they have to let us know
@fuzzman02Ай бұрын
So odd for a developer to act like this. As you stated, announcing the change so soon would make them look good, but now it seems they’re pretending it never happened. Makes me feel like there’s more going on here, like they accidentally reverted it and then decided to roll with it because it’s what most people wanted anyway.
@MeekotheMuttАй бұрын
This! 🔥
@Luxy-p4fАй бұрын
Should they make the ripping kick be use while pounce so it could actually be useful to attack not just for repositioning in a fight
@skybluepainterАй бұрын
Same for how they reverted the autorun camera. Like, just say so. Is it that hard?
@zombiemeerkat8958Ай бұрын
It's baffling. First, as stated, there was no announcement, discussion, or even a note. Just silently changed it and let us all figure it out the hard way. Second, why? There are already limitations in what we can and cannot pounce, and generally, the dinos that have the most option are smaller, easier to kill dinos. If anything, there should be a compromise. Maybe taking reduced damage while latched, or maybe a strict limitation on what abilities can and cannot hit us while latched.
@EhopiscaАй бұрын
Even tho i enjoyed the devs for doing this, Alderon Games really has some problem balancing their dinos. -Remember when Hatz could peck in the air, how many months they took to stop people from abusing it? -Sucho can easily win most of the fights just by spamming claw barrage and Daspleto can stack bone break now???
@GizmoTTVАй бұрын
Last time they rolled back something silently like this, it was because they had something else in mind. I remember they did the same thing a couple years back before kai release iirc?
@KhanwareАй бұрын
It’s very possible. Just a strange choice not to communicate any of that to the community
@cfowler7936Ай бұрын
If they are allowing dinos to deal damage to those pouncing them, why wont they allow grappled dinos to deal damage to the dino that has them?
@roguemallard9315Ай бұрын
I was once on Achillo when I was grabbed by a Hatz > I used the claw attack and the Hatz took damage. So maybe only certain attack?
@roguemallard9315Ай бұрын
My Achillo wasn’t an adult ( in case of wandering how I was grabbed since I don’t think adult Achilles can be grabbed )
@ragingamigo1191Ай бұрын
I think personally you shoudnt be able to turn your head and bite them off you without a specific ability to damage pounced creatures, but damage from outside dinos should be good. Just my opinion.
@nophlast4237Ай бұрын
Why is that remotely fair?
@SimplyJustinАй бұрын
@@nophlast4237because you can already shake us off, and have someone else bite us off. It’s unnecessary for you to also be able to damage us. What’s the point of even pouncing just to get 1 bite out of taking major damage from you, and then die to possibly another Dino biting us to get us off. Too much risk with little reward. Not to mention sometimes when I’m pounced with another raptor pounced in the other side, we end up damaging eachother. Like what is even the point. To me, it’s whatever. But seeing people complain about how broken or op it is, is a bit over exaggerated imo.
@ragingamigo1191Ай бұрын
@@nophlast4237 when we try to use pack tactics and a rex can just turn and bite us in the face and we die then why even use pounce
@ragingamigo1191Ай бұрын
@@nophlast4237 why even use pounce if you can just turn and bite us in the face? Ofc your gonna be a larger creature if we're pouncing you so your gonna do more damage during the pounce so there's no reward for even pouncing
@nophlast4237Ай бұрын
@@ragingamigo1191 there are locations on Rex you’re completely safe, latch onto the hip, abort if near the face. Assess fights and know that yes your tiny chicken can get 1 tapped by the largest apex predator history has ever seen on land with the strongest bite force in history. Fighting a Rex should have risks associated if you don’t position well. I literally play laten and dienon and it’s super unfair to just get free damage with 0 counterplay options for solo Dino’s. It’s not hard to hunt as a pouncer you just need to manage stam and timing
@Dino_Hunter8669Ай бұрын
W change
@GlitchGlitchtrapАй бұрын
awwww, sadness 😥
@AKayani559Ай бұрын
Finally the devs understood there terrible decision no one other than raptor mains liked that
@PelicanMobBossАй бұрын
Make a vid about the new AI creature updates announced
@GilbosaurusАй бұрын
They tested this in the testing branch server, remember seeing people on Reddit going bonkers that they were making pouncers immune to damage
@KhanwareАй бұрын
@@Gilbosaurus Yeah that was 3 or 4 weeks ago. Now they’ve changed it back without saying a word which is very strange
@WinterroSPАй бұрын
I don’t mind that
@exelonlineandco928Ай бұрын
I'm pretty sure I see two hatz flying and pecking at a rex last night too now you mention it 🤔. There is clearly some discourse going on between devs over at alderon because as it stands the game does not know what it wants to be and so far is definitely not the game originally advertised and although it's an "animal game" there's a waft of some of that sweet baby stink in the air 😏
@KhanwareАй бұрын
Definitely agree on the game direction point. They haven’t been sure what they want it to be for a while now. Started out trying to be true dino survival game with combat elements. Now it’s leaning heavily toward combat focus with vestiges of survival elements still trailing along
@Kallyn_AlexisrainАй бұрын
Now that i think of it i killed a Ramp When it pounced Me😮
@The_Thunderous_GeckoАй бұрын
Happy happy Joy Joy.
@recklesslyarrogant7242Ай бұрын
Alderon is a sketchy company I’m starting to learn from the last year.
@aydenmiller952Ай бұрын
I wonder why they changed pounce without mentioning it? That’s a little weird. Could you do an in-depth pvp guide? I struggle with defending myself against tail riders, and I haven’t found anything about that. Thank you!
@KhanwareАй бұрын
Definitely on the list of things to cover at some point! I did a full achillo combat guide which you might find helpful for general combat. Strats will obviously vary somewhat dino to dino, but there are some general tips in there that might help you out (like shaking tail riders, etc)
@aydenmiller952Ай бұрын
@@Khanware I’ll rewatch it! That video was awesome! Thanks!
@darthnobody013Ай бұрын
This is so stupid as a compy main poor Mr Nibbles 😢
@pineapplepizzasandwich1974Ай бұрын
Ego.
@Mrmilk8982Ай бұрын
Well I’m very happy. Pounce is so annoying.
@MSP87Ай бұрын
This game is kindergarten arcade dinos. Can't take most of what happens with this game seriously. The isle has the right idea when it comes to a dino game. But it has its flaws as well. I've played them all, I tend to fall back towards the isle more often then none
@KhanwareАй бұрын
They are definitely steering the game in the direction of a PvP spam fest instead of a true Dino survival game, sad. Probably because it appeals to a wider audience
@MSP87Ай бұрын
@@Khanware I agree
@SimplyJustinАй бұрын
I personally disagree with them reverting it back. The fact you already have 2 options of getting the Raptor off of you is enough. You don’t need to also be able to damage us while increasing our Stam drain. Makes pounce so weak.
@KhanwareАй бұрын
Fair points, but what are the two options with the previous latch system? If you can’t bite raptors, the only thing you can do is hit the jump QTE’s to shake them off. Just wondering which other option you’re referencing
@averagejuliensblogenjoyer7449Ай бұрын
Pounce with the change is a brainrot mechanic but now with it being reverted, it takes actually a little bit of skill.
@christopherthorson5949Ай бұрын
I stop playing the game due to this, the shadow change was the last straw, as a primary laten player im done
@KhanwareАй бұрын
Who knows, it might be a temp change or maybe it was done by accident and they just didn’t admit it. There’s still hope for a more balanced latch system
@AdblocklolАй бұрын
U need to do dmg to stego before he did to u and ur safe
@Voltic_DashАй бұрын
Now I can finally kick the living crap out of 'em with struthi again.
@Dinosaurian364Ай бұрын
Hey i dont really care, makes compys less annoying for my pt rex
@SamuRhino2023Ай бұрын
God has blessed us with this one! Praise the Lord!
@m003e3Ай бұрын
I can't believe people were crying so much about this change. It literally meant next to nothing. They're only changing it back bc people were so upset.
@TankManHeavyАй бұрын
Great, now latch dinos are useless/unplayable again.
@mesozoicgames6813Ай бұрын
No they aren’t
@TankManHeavyАй бұрын
@@mesozoicgames6813 they are, though. When was the last time you genuinely felt threatened by a Laten/Deinon?
@Stayfnay42Ай бұрын
THANK YOU I want to main laten, but they are nearly impossible to make kills with unless you have like, a pack of 10
@nophlast4237Ай бұрын
@@Stayfnay42I’m sorry your 1 slot can’t solo rexes anymore 😢
@nophlast4237Ай бұрын
@@TankManHeavylatens and Deions are fantastic in group synergies as scouts and slowdown machines (forcing a Dino to slow down and pay attention to you.) They can stop Hatz from taking off, and put pressure on fleeing Dino’s to not be able to heal. It should also be noted that most Dino’s can’t hit you if you land on their hips, so there are still safe ways to pull off pounces.
@hl7bt5xw8rАй бұрын
Whatever with all the problem with pounce mechanic,.... I just hope SMILODON (and maybe Felines) can POUNCE too like inostracevia can do!!,.....I mean....Why not??,....Wild Cats doing the same thing in real life,...RIGHT!!??