Power Loss Recovery - BTT UPS Module

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Power Loss Recovery - BTT UPS Module - Chris's Basement

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We got a hold of Big Tree Tech's UPS Module. We're going to look it over, hook it up to our Ender 3 and do a Marlin Configuration.
00:00 Introduction
00:57 The Downside
04:14 The Upside
05:08 Module Overview
06:38 UPS Setup
10:46 Marlin Configuration
20:08 Test our UPS
22:43 Conclusion
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@FilamentFriday 2 жыл бұрын

Nice project. I learn a little more about Marlin each time I watch one of your videos.

@ChrisRiley 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you Chuck, I'm just glad you watch! I hope you had a good Holiday.

@BreakingElegance 2 жыл бұрын

Chepy chuck you're the man!!!!

@JimLambier 2 жыл бұрын

Great video as always. I love how you cover the mechanical, wiring, and firmware so thoroughly. Most of my saved videos are made by you.

@ChrisRiley 2 жыл бұрын

Glad to help

@Quintin185 2 жыл бұрын

Chris, I've been looking for a video of yours with comments turned on. I want you to know, you rock. I greatly appreciate you! Thanks for making these videos. Take care!

@ChrisRiley 2 жыл бұрын

I appreciate that!

@spedi6721 2 жыл бұрын

Awesome! I'm currently building a new printer and this module is sitting on my table waiting to be installed. Now I know how it really works. Thanks Chris!

@ChrisRiley 2 жыл бұрын

Glad I could help!

@SianaGearz Ай бұрын

I think i have a different use for this module in mind. I could use it to trigger the Raspberry Pi, fed via a 5V step-down from 24V, to safely shut down, while providing power to it. So i don't have to carefully manage turning a printer with Klipper off and can just unpower it anytime. I don't actually have power outages, i just like turning off ALL appliances when i leave home to reduce fire hazard.

@ChrisRiley Ай бұрын

That's a great idea, it would be good for that.

@sansjunk 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for making this video. Exactly what I was looking for since we have a lot of power disruptions where I live. I had a failed print due to power loss when I was trying to print the module cover for the UPS module - the irony of it! I guess I won't be able to use this with the stock Ender 3 main board as I also have BLTouch set up already. There may not be any free pin. I am just waiting for the SKR Mini E3 V3.0 board to show up so I can set this up.

@ChrisRiley 2 жыл бұрын

Glad it helped

@essegeo 2 жыл бұрын

SKR Mini E3 V3.0 is awesome, while you are at it, i recommend switching to Klipper. so much easier! (get the mainsail image, makes life easy). if you need help poke me ;)

@rickeymh 2 жыл бұрын

Hi Chris. As always, you are a wealth of information. Thanks for this intuitive video.

@ChrisRiley 2 жыл бұрын

Glad it was helpful! Thanks for watching

@Sergiodj453 2 жыл бұрын

As always, Loads of good information!

@ChrisRiley 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you Sergio!

@viyer00 5 ай бұрын

Thanks so much for this video and for effectively teaching me Marlin. In the end, this module is not very useful to me because it doesn't work through Octoprint (thanks for confirming that in the comments below). And the printer also uses the module's power on every shutdown, not just those limited to power loss, meaning that the normal shutdown process takes an extra minute. Oh well, it was a fun learning experience, but I really hope for Octoprint functionality in the future.

@ChrisRiley 5 ай бұрын

I'm glad I could help! Thank you for your insight

@therealmakmillion 2 жыл бұрын

I have several UPS24v installed on most of my printers. I had to install two on each of my larger printers (signal from only one module!) otherwise they didn’t store enough energy to lift the gantry and save the print info to SD.

@ChrisRiley 2 жыл бұрын

Interesting, are those printers with large DC powered beds?

@MakerViking 2 жыл бұрын

Good and thorough video, Chris. :)

@ChrisRiley 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

@levontraut 2 жыл бұрын

This is the same principle used for RC electric cars. It also helps if the psu can not supply the spike in demands of power and levels out the output.

@ChrisRiley 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for your insight!

@KanielD 2 жыл бұрын

Always the best content!

@ChrisRiley 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

@bepstein111 2 жыл бұрын

Good thought about Power loss recovery and sensorless homing. I've been using both for about a year now with no issues, but I've only had to use PLR a few times... I should definitely do some more testing with that....

@ChrisRiley 2 жыл бұрын

Cool! Let us know if you get any good results.

@markferrick10 2 жыл бұрын

Great instructional video. With the advent of 'cheap' lifepo4 24 volt batteries, that might make a great farm backup, assuming you can protect from overcharging. Thanks Chris

@ChrisRiley 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching

@andrewchudyk8518 2 жыл бұрын

Surely it would make sense to home X & Y before turning on the hot-end heater? That would prevent the blob.

@ChrisRiley 2 жыл бұрын

The blob is usually seen on power down, the retract does a pretty good job of keeping it from happening on power up, but your right, that would help.

@medienmond 2 жыл бұрын

Yeahr my oldskool duet2wifi with duex5 extension will probably run out of endstop connectors. Probably. I think i then will add an sx1510 i2c module to keep up with these new technics....

@ChrisRiley 2 жыл бұрын

Wow, you have a lot going on with that config, it sounds awesome. I would like to try a setup like this on my DUET.

@mann3901 2 жыл бұрын

Hey I love this thing but can you tell me how to setup this with klipper or make video I am sure it will be helpful to lot of guys 👍🏻

@ChrisRiley 2 жыл бұрын

I'm not sure on Klipper and if it supports it. I will have to look around.

@mann3901 2 жыл бұрын

@@ChrisRiley thank you so much please tell me whatever you found

@mrgman7899 Жыл бұрын

😄always enjoy your videos ,very clear and easy to follow keep up the great work.. im having a problem with getting it to work on a Ender 3v2 printer, All is connected to the right place but printer only flashes on for 5seconds then off it does it repeatedly till i cut main power in fear of damage ,if i disconnect the BTT ups 24v the printer starts up normally ,please advice where im going wrong

@ChrisRiley Жыл бұрын

Thank you! Hmmmm, maybe it's think it is triggering when it's not. Like the pin thinks it should be high when triggered, but it's high all the time. Try changing the pins trigger state in Marlin.

@mrgman7899 Жыл бұрын

@@ChrisRiley how would i change the pin trigger ?

@sevagjb Жыл бұрын

Very important feature, I bought the board with the smart sensor and SKR mini E3 V3, too much to do next weeks :)

@ChrisRiley Жыл бұрын

🙂👍

@bepstein111 2 жыл бұрын

Also, interesting note, those aren't just capacitors, they're legit supercaps. 5F @ 2.7V each. Pretty cool. Also also, it's interesting that the Robin E3 assigns PWR-DET to KILL_PIN (and not POWER_LOSS_PIN)...KILL_PIN is the default pin for the new-ish freeze feature afaik, and you wouldn't want that to conflict, potentially freezing movement at power loss when you want to be doing all the things you configure in this video.

@ChrisRiley 2 жыл бұрын

I noticed that was the kill pin and that seems to be common on a lot of these configs. I might have to switch it up and do some tests.

@Duraltia 2 жыл бұрын

@04:42 Be warned though that the UPS must _specifically_ be made to work with *Stepper Motors* ( most of the APC ones, at least the lower cost ones, apparently are not ) otherwise chances are good it might kill the UPS ( /cough... like mine ) or even worse the device(s) attached to it.

@ChrisRiley 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

@wildecity_88 Жыл бұрын

Excellent video! You're the boss :)

@ChrisRiley Жыл бұрын

Thanks

@_Epictetus_ 2 жыл бұрын

Is there a module that we can use to provide an additional 30-60 seconds of power to the printer while our backup generator are turning on to completely sidestep this print resume feature?

@ChrisRiley 2 жыл бұрын

A sperate UPS, like an APC would be the best bet. This would work for some machines, just don't setup the signal wire to the board.

@jesuslerma894 4 ай бұрын

Hello Chris any chance you might some insight on how to run this with klipper. I know klipper does not save state when power down so there no info on it so far. let me know if you have some information on it.

@ChrisRiley 4 ай бұрын

I wish I did, this has been on my list to do for a while. I hope to tackle it soon.

@OldCurmudgeon3DP 2 жыл бұрын

I like having a UPS on mine, but a thought occurred during your video... it seems so inefficient to go from DC to Mains then through the PSU (wastes a big % of what goes in) back to DC. 1 (for 12v) or 2 (for 24v) 7AHr gel-cells w/ a charge controller might be a better method. I may look into it one day 🤣.

@ChrisRiley 2 жыл бұрын

That's a good thought, you're right, that could be an interesting setup.

@stoffel89 2 жыл бұрын

thought of the same thing. my printer is 350 watt. 24v. so would that not say you are using almost 15 amps? that means you will drain the two batteries in 15min, seeing that lead acid dont like to be drained more than half of their capacity. Im just making asumptions here.

@OldCurmudgeon3DP 2 жыл бұрын

@@stoffel89 it won't last more than a few minutes for sure. It's more for catching flickers and short cuts than riding through long ones. Thing is, the power draw varies from a few dozen watts to hundreds depending on what the heaters are doing. Mine runs about 2.1kVA over a 24hr print. That's under a 100W average for an hour if you omit the PSU losses. Figure half the capacity of a typical UPS battery is useful.

@tomaszek2633 2 жыл бұрын

there would be more time if the signal was given by the module from "Save electricity - turn off your 3D printer - Chris's Basement" detection on AC instead of DC

@ChrisRiley 2 жыл бұрын

Yes, I would like to do a combined type of video on this setup.

@wishicouldarduino8880 2 жыл бұрын

😁👍cool project!

@ChrisRiley 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks! 👍

@rondlh20 2 жыл бұрын

18:40 It seems you misunderstand the purpose of POWER_LOSS_MIN_Z_CHANGE, this is only used to detecting that the printer goes to the next layer, so the current layer is saved at layer changed, it's not used at actual power loss because the active layer is already stored

@ChrisRiley 2 жыл бұрын

Ah, nice! Thank you.

@cssilverscat7645 2 жыл бұрын

Ender 5 plus has all 3 positive terminals on the power supply taken. Is there a work around to get this to work with the BTT UPS Module?

@ChrisRiley 2 жыл бұрын

You could stack it on one of the used terminals, it will work the same.

@stefi300972 2 жыл бұрын

works on standard lcd's but when the BTT dual lcds are installed nothing happens on power loss

@ChrisRiley 2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, that TFT makes it difficult. I have a couple of ideas on how we can fix this, stay tuned.

@deathcube2006 2 жыл бұрын

Hey thank you! I just bought myself a btt skr mini e3 and I was just wondering about this feature, looks like you could add some capacitors more and maybe have the printer home x y before turning off

@ChrisRiley 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!

@Hybrid.Robotics 2 жыл бұрын

Chris, if the POWER_LOSS_PIN is active HIGH, wouldn't you want POWER_LOSS_PULLDOWN instead of POWER_LOSS_PULLUP?

@ChrisRiley 2 жыл бұрын

Honestly, I would have to think about that. I think the pull up or down would depend on the module. Off the top of my head , HIGH should be up and LOW down.

@Hybrid.Robotics 2 жыл бұрын

@@ChrisRiley Right, so for active HIGH signals, you want pull DOWN. For active LOW signals, you want pull UP. It is the opposite of the active state.

@wishicouldarduino8880 2 жыл бұрын

Also what is a good tip for keeping my spool from "Birds nesting out" and if it does what's a good fix thanks for any ideas.😁👍

@ChrisRiley 2 жыл бұрын

About the only one I know of is to keep the filament further away from the printer it you can. That seems to help the most.

@thezeus0909 Жыл бұрын

I bought it new and when I connect it to the source, the source stops turning on. The font fan doesn't even care.

@ChrisRiley Жыл бұрын

Sounds like there must be something wrong with the module.

@LogicWheels 2 жыл бұрын

What about objects that release from a glass bed when cooled down during power loss?

@ChrisRiley 2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, there's not much you can do about that, but it might keep the printer stable through a quick power blip.

@Abandoned_Player 4 ай бұрын

The link for the 12V version isn't correct. It sends me to a relay and not a ups. I don't know if they even make the 12V version anymore because I cannot find it anywhere that is first party.

@ChrisRiley 4 ай бұрын

Thanks, I'll look into it!

@ptmoy1 2 жыл бұрын

If I'm sending the print from OctoPi, will this setup still work if I just insert a blank micro-SD card into the printer's micro-SD-card slot? I have an Ender 3 Pro upgraded to a SKR E3 Mini V2. I've also installed the BTT TFT-35 touch screen that takes a full-size SD card. Can that be used?

@ChrisRiley 2 жыл бұрын

Unfortunately, this is done at the board level, so Octoprint can't be used as of now. You can use a TFT screen, but you would have ot configure the PSU to be connected to the screen.

@AJayTheStageArtist 2 жыл бұрын

WoW, nice video. May i know is this BTT recovery loss board work with klipper ? How to config 😍? Thank you

@ChrisRiley 2 жыл бұрын

Honestly, I don't know, I will have to figure this out.

@peterr.4768 2 жыл бұрын

This only works when printing from SD-Card or also with Octoprint?

@ChrisRiley 2 жыл бұрын

Sorry, only from the SD card.

@hihihi8530 Жыл бұрын

Hello chris. Great video, though i stuck on an error while uploading the firmware. 'DIOP1_24_RPORT' was not declared in this scope. 'DIOP1_24_PIN' was not declared in this scope. I am using marlin 2.0.9 Motherboard- MKS gen L Any suggestions or how to fix this issue. Thanks in advance.

@ChrisRiley Жыл бұрын

Thanks! Are those pins listed in the pins file? Are those actual pin names?

@NikosSprocket 2 жыл бұрын

I believe the BTT ups does not work with Klipper as the Rpi will loose power even if is powered from the MSU (Octopus etc.). What are your thoughts on Klipper and power loss? PS. Excelent video and well script!

@ChrisRiley 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks! I'm not exactly sure how we would make that work with Klipper, but it's something I would like to investigate.

@NikosSprocket 2 жыл бұрын

Personally, I use in-line UPS like APC 1000S for short power loses and also protect printers and computers from spikes, brownouts etc. Of course the inline power UPS (110/220V AC) cannot help in case of long power lose and the UPS's internal batteries are depleted then the printer(s) will stop without any way of recovering/continuing the print. Most decent power line UPS have at least USB and more expensive models even Ethernet connectivity that reports of the state of the in-line power. Maybe someone can develop a software interface for Klipper etc. to re-act to messages from the UPS's condition.

@Jogngood 2 жыл бұрын

Hi Chris thanks for the video. Am I missing something? Or you didn't supply the link for the cover?

@ChrisRiley 2 жыл бұрын

www.thingiverse.com/thing:4771493

@996stoky 2 жыл бұрын

wondering if this could be done with octoprint when it comes back on a plugin scans marlin for power loss detection if it finds it it says do you want to resume print and marlin takes over/tells octopi to print at such layer and resume with the info stored during the power loss. reason i say this is because my printers/cncs are stored in the outside shed and my area is prone to power outages so nothing i have printed/milled has been over a day long. and running octoprint/cnc.js from a raspberry pi helps tremendously.

@ChrisRiley 2 жыл бұрын

Not 100% sure how this will work, but I have been experimenting with some features in Marlin that might allow this to be done. More on this soon.

@996stoky 2 жыл бұрын

@@ChrisRiley Awesome thanks for the reply looking foward to it. good luck with experimenting i myself am designing another print using just normal steel box section as during covid it was impossible to get vslot and i needed another printer plus the box section was like 3/4 AUD per metre how can't i resist that?

@anujoy7492 2 жыл бұрын

Great guide. I noticed that the entire Power Loss section was greyed out in Marlin. I faced the exact same problem with the version of Marlin available as of last month. Have they fixed it yet?

@ChrisRiley 2 жыл бұрын

I have noticed this on other parts in Marlin, this appears to be how VScode deals with it. I am not sure how to get it to refresh.

@anujoy7492 2 жыл бұрын

It also affects functionality. The stuff that gets greyed out actually doesn't work in the firmware. I just redid the whole thing with a different version of Marlin and that solved the issue. But I'm not entirely sure if the version change is what fixed it for me.

@saboorkhan1679 Жыл бұрын

Hi, I know it's been a year so it's probably unlikely I get a reply but I still had to try. On marlin 2.1.x bug fix running in my ender 3 neo with a skr mini e3 v3 after resuming a print after power loss it restarts the print entirely instead of resuming the layer. If you know how to fix this id really appreciate it!

@ChrisRiley Жыл бұрын

I'm not sure on the NEO how it does power loss recovery but it sounds like maybe there is a firmware issue. You might need an update.

@propeople 2 жыл бұрын

boards dont have this function ? my oem board of ender 5 plus has that, with out all those hardware...

@ChrisRiley 2 жыл бұрын

A lot of the OEM boards use the SD card to do this.

@propeople 2 жыл бұрын

@@ChrisRiley why btt dont ?

@scottsnyder2239 2 жыл бұрын

i cant figure out how to get power loss recovery on creality 4.2.7. No kill switch pin and no guides on how to enable this anywhere. Anyone know a solution? Is EEPROM inportant? Heard Marlin may be saving to EEPROM instead of SD on power loss.

@ChrisRiley 2 жыл бұрын

I'm not sure how you would make it work without extra pins. It's too bad the Creality boards aren't more versital.

@scottsnyder2239 2 жыл бұрын

@@ChrisRiley There is a way. Im just not sure how. The stock firmware that came with my board had it enabled, but when I updated firmware to support a different hotend, I couldn't figure it out.

@noobt4eguns 10 ай бұрын

I must do also programming its not plug and play?

@ChrisRiley 10 ай бұрын

Yes, you will have to configure the firmware to use it. NOT plug N play.

@noobt4eguns 10 ай бұрын

@@ChrisRiley I found that if i connect mobile charger to mother board the printer don't stop printing but little strong charger not the old one

@noobt4eguns 10 ай бұрын

Help me to connect on v2.2.7 please I don't know to make programming. This ups its not plug and play?

@ChrisRiley 10 ай бұрын

There's no way around it, you will have to create a config for it and re-flash it.

@noobt4eguns 10 ай бұрын

@@ChrisRiley i can see even if i connect the btt ups i will loose power and i will need resum again. With mobile phone charger plug in the printer don't stop working

@stoffel89 2 жыл бұрын

will this module work for creality v4.2.2 board for ender 3v2?

@ChrisRiley 2 жыл бұрын

I don't think that board has a port for it. If you configured the firmware correctly you could use the filament runout port or probe port.

@MajidJK 2 жыл бұрын

Hi Chris; Thanks for this video; it was helpful. Mine works pretty good with my skr mini e3 v3. But, I have a BTT TFT35 V3 and this feature doesn’t work when I print from sd card/usb slot attached to the screen. It only works when I print from the onboard sd card slot. What is your suggestion?

@ChrisRiley 2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, that is one of the down sides to this, you can attach this to the TFT to get around that, but I have never done it. I would have to do some testing.

@noobt4eguns Жыл бұрын

Hi nice video i ordered this btt ups from aliexpress and am waiting to arrive. Help me please how to connect it to Ender-3 24v motherboard v4.2.7 When my printer iys connect to pc i don't have power lost. With this btt ups will be the same like connect to the pcand no again have this issue? Were can i find the stl file and make a box for this btt ups?😂

@noobt4eguns Жыл бұрын

???

@ChrisRiley Жыл бұрын

This is the case I used. www.thingiverse.com/thing:4771493 If you have a creality board, you don't have extra pins for power detect. If you have an upgraded board, they will be there. So it might be hard to do this on a stock board.

@noobt4eguns 10 ай бұрын

I don't understand. Can install it on v2.2.7 mother board?

@paulthetexan 2 жыл бұрын

One caution about writing to an SD card every move or every couple seconds - they have a limited life and this will kill them very quickly.

@ChrisRiley 2 жыл бұрын

Yes, great point, it's not the best implementation of this feature.

@BurninGems 2 жыл бұрын

Who did you fire? Or did you get fired? Btw, best power loss recovery? Dont run out of power. Simple UPS battery backup for little outages or even the big battery bank charged by solar. (Doesn't Tesla sell one?)

@ChrisRiley 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!

@markwilliams5654 2 жыл бұрын

I tried it and turned it off too many problems with resuming a print

@ChrisRiley 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for your insight!

@eduardomeller6926 2 жыл бұрын

Hi Chris. I have a question: does it work only when you are printing from a SD card? Does it work when you print from wifi as well?

@ChrisRiley 2 жыл бұрын

At this time, the only config I know to work is from your SD card.

@eduardomeller6926 2 жыл бұрын

@@ChrisRiley Thanks, man. Your channel is amazing, btw.

@scaramonga 2 жыл бұрын

Neat! Will this work with Klipper?

@ChrisRiley 2 жыл бұрын

I'm not sure if it supports that feature or not.

@scaramonga 2 жыл бұрын

@@ChrisRiley It doesn't, unfortunately.

@hansaKg Жыл бұрын

Can this be done when I'm using Octo Print?

@ChrisRiley Жыл бұрын

Unfortunately, no

@BreakingElegance 2 жыл бұрын

can you get this to work with klipper?

@ChrisRiley 2 жыл бұрын

I'll look into it

@swindmiller 2 жыл бұрын

About how long on a standard Ender-3 will you still have power during a power loss? Looking to use these for those power blips that resume power within a few seconds. Would you just have seconds of reserve power or minutes?

@Deluxa801 2 жыл бұрын

This capacitors btt module save seconds. Just for lift print head and time to check/read display. If you want to prevent random power loss buy cheap 400-600w ups. Save around 15-20 min for small printer like ender 3.

@ChrisRiley 2 жыл бұрын

👍😁 Thanks!