Power Scaling Matters More Than You Realize. (Video Essay)

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ReturningSun

ReturningSun

Жыл бұрын

Power Scaling. The bane of all of our existence. But, let's be real... It's kind of SUPER important to have power scaling in fiction, especially action-oriented series. Wanna know why? I'll tell you.
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@Ty-cx5zj
@Ty-cx5zj Жыл бұрын
Great video, I feel like people should stop saying power scaling doesn't matter and start saying power scaling is only one aspect of the story. The reason people want to say it doesn't matter is because either agenda or they are tired of the debates but the problem is powerscaling will always matter because how a character grows is connected to powerscaling as they need to move past a obstacle to continue their goals.
@ReturningSunn
@ReturningSunn Жыл бұрын
Agreed
@towasinislam6073
@towasinislam6073 8 ай бұрын
Bruh, if it was the case then base Broly cannot beat ssj red form of Goku in DBS broly movie
@veturwinter
@veturwinter Жыл бұрын
This is a great video Tho it got me wishing power scaling was judged a lot more by its writing quality instead of just accepting the material and what the story says, you see a lot of the former in Dragon Ball's community
@ReturningSunn
@ReturningSunn Жыл бұрын
Definitely. I think more people should look into how it affects world building most of all. A lot of series’ world can suffer from inconsistent writing in terms of character power.
@shzarmai
@shzarmai Жыл бұрын
So Internal Consistency* in the story in regards to power structure or strength is the most important aspect here.......Okay
@Shadowlurkering
@Shadowlurkering Жыл бұрын
And everything was good...until the Batman attacked.
@opalander
@opalander 2 ай бұрын
I dislike when people bring up that Stan Lee quote as if it's an undisputed law of writing, especially when there are writers that are aware of how strong their characters are. The Tinykin developers powerscaled their own characters on Reddit forums when asked who would win, Hirohiko Araki explicitly mentions that he used to powerscale as a kid so he keeps power creep in mind when writing JoJo, and Kishimoto wasn't even sure if he could kill Madara off in Naruto while still making sense. Taking an old man, who isn't even interested in writing compelling fights so much as conceptualizing characters and origins, and using his word over many others who do care is plain disingenuous.
@nicky923nk
@nicky923nk Жыл бұрын
A really well done video and you explained why power scaling is important. But the main issue is, until the toxic side of that community either calms down or stops being horrible, a large portion of people won't take it seriously because that's all they see. I agree that if done correctly power scaling greatly helps a story. But at this point it's hard to see the upsides considering how loud the annoying fans are.
@nitrozeus6393
@nitrozeus6393 7 ай бұрын
Yeah
@UlbertWhitebrim
@UlbertWhitebrim Жыл бұрын
i like how dbz fans powerscale the most but dragon ball is a series that doesn't even take the power scales serious ahaha
@ReturningSunn
@ReturningSunn Жыл бұрын
lmaoooo
@turkeysgotmorecloutthanyou
@turkeysgotmorecloutthanyou Жыл бұрын
Cuz it’s fun
@turkeysgotmorecloutthanyou
@turkeysgotmorecloutthanyou Жыл бұрын
@Goatler anime discussion in general is lifeless, power scaling is just a subsection of it
@turkeysgotmorecloutthanyou
@turkeysgotmorecloutthanyou Жыл бұрын
@Goatler all of these facets are cringe
@ReturningSunn
@ReturningSunn Жыл бұрын
Why do you have a Swastika pfp
@brunoherrera2574
@brunoherrera2574 5 ай бұрын
That dinosaur is clearly stronger than Thanos but you ain't ready for this
@goldenangel158
@goldenangel158 Жыл бұрын
Great video
@shzarmai
@shzarmai Жыл бұрын
Cool video
@glazed_waffle5629
@glazed_waffle5629 Жыл бұрын
Perfect vid
@ReturningSunn
@ReturningSunn Жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@nitrozeus6393
@nitrozeus6393 7 ай бұрын
@@towasinislam6073 are you a complainer
@towasinislam6073
@towasinislam6073 7 ай бұрын
@@nitrozeus6393if powerscaling used King Kong vs Godzilla than Godzilla stomp Kong and we doesn’t get the entertained whit they're fight
@nitrozeus6393
@nitrozeus6393 7 ай бұрын
@@towasinislam6073 grammar dude
@towasinislam6073
@towasinislam6073 7 ай бұрын
@@nitrozeus6393in Kong vs Godzilla movie if King Kong and
@vegetacultminorityhunter
@vegetacultminorityhunter 5 ай бұрын
People say power scaling doesn't matter Then complain why Batman is getting damaged by a random thug
@corrinflakes9659
@corrinflakes9659 15 күн бұрын
If scaling or at least seeing potential of an ability was taken more into consideration, we would get more Across the Spider-Verse’s The Spot using portals to their most brilliant heights (even if multiverse portals wasn’t a thing) and less X-Men First Class’s Darwin, where yes he could adapt to that, bro should be like Ultimate Kars but in the instinctual sense.
@corrinflakes9659
@corrinflakes9659 15 күн бұрын
Darwin in First Class was dumb writing, both for “magic writing” and how they deadass had the black guy die first.
@JackoVX
@JackoVX Жыл бұрын
This is why i have Magi world building over One Piece. Because magoi as the power system is woven so much better into the world than whatever oda did with dfs and haki and it just works. In One Piece i cant go more than 10min of discussion with someone that knows the details and possibilities without being pissed off at the inconsistency and vegueness 😂
@almalayuwiyyah2512
@almalayuwiyyah2512 Жыл бұрын
There is pro and cons. If everything is explained and spoonfed. They will be no discussion and debate and it will be very boring.
@JackoVX
@JackoVX Жыл бұрын
@@almalayuwiyyah2512 there is a balance. With one Piece any powerscailing discussion is almost pointless
@marcierex4547
@marcierex4547 9 ай бұрын
​@@almalayuwiyyah2512I've had debates before and they've been goofy and fun but one piece fans are legit the most brain rotted heathens
@royalfun1031
@royalfun1031 6 ай бұрын
Better this way
@JackoVX
@JackoVX 6 ай бұрын
@@royalfun1031 stalking on Xmas?
@JonathanDamasceno
@JonathanDamasceno Жыл бұрын
Nice
@ReturningSunn
@ReturningSunn Жыл бұрын
yurrr
@phantomknight1395
@phantomknight1395 6 ай бұрын
It is easy to jump on a bandwagon and shit on whatever everyone is shitting on. people are not independent thinkers, same with plot armor, people don't understand what it is and slam the word on everything. Thanks for the video.
@AJ__525
@AJ__525 Жыл бұрын
let’s gooo! i’m looking forward to this video since i’m a writer, so this can help me with power scaling!
@ReturningSunn
@ReturningSunn Жыл бұрын
Hope it helps! 😊
@Tethloach1
@Tethloach1 Жыл бұрын
It is nice when a story has a good emotional pay off, liking the characters keeps audience invested. Audiences will create their own meaning from the writers work, if the work is successful it will be a part of culture.
@treyhalo
@treyhalo Жыл бұрын
LATE BUT WE HAVE ARRIVED.
@ReturningSunn
@ReturningSunn Жыл бұрын
YESSIR 💯
@98ore
@98ore Жыл бұрын
I mean what if Vader got poisoned before fighting luke Or Dino caught thanos after gauntlet drained his strength and put a bullet in his head lol All this aside all imma say is power is not linear
@nitrozeus6393
@nitrozeus6393 7 ай бұрын
Yeah but these are super situational and probably won’t happen
@nitrozeus6393
@nitrozeus6393 2 ай бұрын
And funny enough power scaling goes back to ancient Persia.
@mikerude5073
@mikerude5073 8 ай бұрын
The main issue is power scalers lose their minds when two characters that can be compared are pitted against each other, and the underdog wins. If say, the Thing gets a KO on the Hulk, they all will be losing their minds because based on feats and infinite power they can scale Hulk to multi-omniversal-______ geographic space. They don't care about the narrative purpose of how an underdog still has a punchers chance, they just want their 100% unbeatable, power creep shoveled on with both hands, just on another level, unchallengeable protagonist to even have the slightest chance of losing, and the Thing fans to feel stupid for picking the wrong fictional character as a favorite. - That is the majority of power scalers attitude. Often their online discussion would result in a mouth full of tooth soup in person. So yes, the super majority of power scaling absolutely hurts the online fan space.
@nitrozeus6393
@nitrozeus6393 7 ай бұрын
power scaling is fine. its just the Community around it.
@PrinceAliTheGreatest
@PrinceAliTheGreatest Ай бұрын
@@nitrozeus6393fandom screws up everything. It’s mostly why I’m restrictive of watching anime because I fear I’ll become engrossed in its fandom.
@nitrozeus6393
@nitrozeus6393 Ай бұрын
@@PrinceAliTheGreatest yeah I agree.
@treyhalo
@treyhalo Жыл бұрын
8:00 “it could introduce a character that’s so strong that you literally can’t convincingly have the main characters beat them” man tell me why i immediately thought of Roman fucking Reigns again LMAOO
@ReturningSunn
@ReturningSunn Жыл бұрын
😭😭😭
@treyhalo
@treyhalo Жыл бұрын
@@DemonArshan that’s true but man Cody was so perfect for it and they fumbled relentlessly hard LMAO
@strawhatjosh5691
@strawhatjosh5691 Жыл бұрын
Richhh
@ReturningSunn
@ReturningSunn Жыл бұрын
Joshhhhhhh
@4nnd711
@4nnd711 Жыл бұрын
not to the casual viewer
@arnaudgerard1971
@arnaudgerard1971 10 ай бұрын
Does Bruce Lee scale higher than Chuck Norris?
@ru8e42
@ru8e42 10 ай бұрын
Db(main timeline)cosmology is argued boundless but solid several layes into outer)
@CorySnakeWrld
@CorySnakeWrld 25 күн бұрын
Caps at High complex
@hasan_VR10
@hasan_VR10 Жыл бұрын
talk about owari no seraph manga/anime again pls
@ReturningSunn
@ReturningSunn Жыл бұрын
Maybe soon!
@JhoJhoScalesandVs
@JhoJhoScalesandVs 10 ай бұрын
2:12 bro put r/powerscaling there💀
@batgoswins
@batgoswins 9 ай бұрын
he should've put r/whowouldcirclejerk there
@JhoJhoScalesandVs
@JhoJhoScalesandVs 9 ай бұрын
@@batgoswinsso true so true
@holloify_tensa_zangetsu
@holloify_tensa_zangetsu Жыл бұрын
DINOSAUR's!!!! Reference that's insane I thought you be younger then me. I look at it like this, if your story/system allows it I'm good with it. I dont like the scaling in Bleach due to it's not how strong you physically but mentally within reason
@ReturningSunn
@ReturningSunn Жыл бұрын
I probably am younger than you 😂 I’m only 19
@holloify_tensa_zangetsu
@holloify_tensa_zangetsu Жыл бұрын
​@@ReturningSunn haha well then your GOATku😊 I was in 6th grade in 03/4 but I had on band shirts like the clash,sex pistols,ramone and more
@Dreadpoolz3977
@Dreadpoolz3977 Жыл бұрын
It doesn't matter.
@nitrozeus6393
@nitrozeus6393 7 ай бұрын
Did you even watch the video
@WarbossR0kt00fSant0s
@WarbossR0kt00fSant0s 9 ай бұрын
"power scaling matters" Because nothing else says "break the characterization" other than power scaling.
@nitrozeus6393
@nitrozeus6393 3 ай бұрын
What do you mean.
@Belmont_1
@Belmont_1 Жыл бұрын
I'd rather focus on the stories and writing and stuff than strength of characters. Like bro juys because I think for example sanji is cool doesn't mean I think he's stronger than say zoro
@nitrozeus6393
@nitrozeus6393 7 ай бұрын
Yeah but it is still important
@saimunsm2749
@saimunsm2749 Жыл бұрын
Man, I solo all fictional charecter. Cz I'm beyond fiction.
@Fuegoaries
@Fuegoaries 8 ай бұрын
Niggas that lose debates say this😂 authors themselves power scale their own series power scaling is not the same as calcs & doesn’t always involve calcs people usually don’t like it because of shi like calcs & over complicated debates.
@nitrozeus6393
@nitrozeus6393 7 ай бұрын
That’s the versus community and if I could destroy the entire universe with the snap of my hands but then you who is basically super weak and can only lift up your own legs then you beat the ever living shit out of me in a one on one yeah it makes no sense and if you don’t like Power scaler’s then don’t considered their calculations canon their just for a fight
@Fuegoaries
@Fuegoaries 7 ай бұрын
@@nitrozeus6393 who said bro was super weak could be holding back or nerfed but in the usual case theirs always explanations for such events like gags jokes or people plain out misunderstand shi, idk what you comparing it to tho bc I rarely see that. But sometimes authors power scale their own shows in a bad way, but power scaling is essential. It’s literally how villains are scaled each big arc you have a stronger villain or villain with hax. That’s scaling, as you said tho the vs community could give it that negative stigma but all their doing is explaining the power scale already presented sometimes overboard or dum sometimes it’s not.
@nitrozeus6393
@nitrozeus6393 7 ай бұрын
@@Fuegoaries 1. I was using you and me as a example( I wasn’t saying you were weak) now let’s do this again let’s say Mario is as fast as a speeding train and Luigi was super weak then with no Battle experience then let’s say they fight and Luigi peach tea ever living crap out of him it would feel weird and Forced from a critics point of view and a power scaler point of view. 2. Power scaling it’s not as simple as that this guy explaining his video what it was and villains don’t always keep getting stronger and stronger sometimes others are weaker than others. 3. Yes sometimes authors do power scale people in the wrong way which is a another discussion for another day and scaling a character is the same as analyzing a character or theme 4. Yes the power scaling can help the world building and find cracks in it did you even watch the video But I still respect your opinion
@Fuegoaries
@Fuegoaries 7 ай бұрын
@@nitrozeus6393 what was your point tho because everything said only aligns with what I said. Ofc the way power scaling can be used can be weird but that only depends on who’s using it and who’s scaling but this doesn’t take away from its effectiveness in essentially every series to exist. Power scaling is essential to knowing how strong some characters in comparison to others that’s the simple definition and theirs good and bad ways you can apply it, so I don’t get wha you tryna say like in general is you saying power scaling don’t make sense or wha? Also i mentioned hax earlier in my messsge because some villains may not be stronger but they have a hax ability which allows them to be the next main villain not because their strength but because their ability. Dragon ball is the perfect example, minor villains aren’t the main villains that’s gonna pose a threat It went from vegeta, Frieza, androids to call all were stronger than the rest it doesn’t mean this is always the case tho I didn’t state that. But to compete the villain would probably have hax. It also determines the relationship between things like lifting strength AP and striking strength. AP attack potency DC, destructive capacity everything doesn’t scale the same way to determine how it works you power scale essentially. Goku can fight planet buster but never shown such a feat. He would have planetary AP.
@nitrozeus6393
@nitrozeus6393 7 ай бұрын
@@Fuegoaries yeah and power scaling can help or find cracks in the world building or anything else really
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@xkyce Жыл бұрын
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