powerful solder sucker - first look
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Күн бұрынIn a mailbag a few weeks back ( • Mailbag Monday 136 ) I received a powered suction de-soldering tool from Banggood, and now it's time to take a closer look, test it out and (of course) open it up to see what's inside.
993A US Plug 110-130V Electric Solder Sucker Soldering Iron Desoldering Gun
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This isn't the only way to do it.
It's probably not the best way to do it.
But it's how I do it.
@tookitogo 2 жыл бұрын
Something I also recommend doing with the solder receptacle (as recommended in the instructions for Pace desoldering stations): coat the inside with a very light coating of mineral oil. This helps prevent the solder (and moreover, the flux residues) from adhering as tightly. Makes cleanup easier.
@Laziter73 2 жыл бұрын
I have a ZD-915 desoldering station. I paid just about the same for it as yours. It's had it fair share of use and I can't live without it when repairing retro computers.
@adam850 2 жыл бұрын
I have the station version of this. If you start getting clogs in the heated pipe, check the filter. That helped. Also, I run the vacuum a second longer to ensure that the solder has cleared the pipe.
@helmuthschultes9243 2 жыл бұрын
Good to see you using the tool in horizontal orientation. Most users do as they do soldering, the pcb horizontal and sucker downward.. Experience shows that is a sure way to having far more blocked nozzle problems. In vertical the liquid solder tends to fall back to the region of internal nozzle tube entry to the catch chamber. Especially with greater number of joints sucked out, and bad when hardening after turn off. There along with small particles tends to block the fine tube. At least this was delivered with some fine needles to push the fine tube clear. As far as catch improving a bit of loose packed stainless steel wool scouring pad minus any soap. It assists very much catching and holding solder sucked in. Cheap to replace after several clean outs. Cheaper even than the brass soldering iron cleaning pad.
@Bammyja 2 жыл бұрын
Perfect for parts salvaging, looks really satisfying to use
@billywhizz6965 2 жыл бұрын
I have used something similar in the past and they are great. The thing to watch out for with them is that when the nozzle starts to get eaten away it tends to lift the pad rather than desoldering it. This is because they become very sharp at the nozzle end
@werpu12 7 ай бұрын
I second a recommendation to use those things, I have another one, while desoldering was a pain before, it has become a breeze, it is now easier to desolder than to solder. Best investment ever!
@mariushmedias 2 жыл бұрын
I'd suggest getting into the habit of making small circles with your tool while sucking solder, because that will make sure the component lead is not getting stuck to the walls of the through hole and also sucks some of the solder from inside the hole. Also, for older circuit boards spray a bit of flux over the solder (or use some gel flux or even pour a few drops), it helps heat up the existing solder faster and you don't need to keep the tip at such high temperature.
@unclefrogy743 2 жыл бұрын
looks like it works pretty well. I took a long time to decide to get a de-soldering gun I looked at that one and really all of them. I liked the price but in the end i played it safe and bought a Hakko Fr301 it cost me a lot more but what sold me was they had a complete line or replacement parts for it gives me a bit of peace of mind. It makes the work so much more simple and efficient even on hard to get to point to point wired circuits. There is no longer any hesitation. I do not have to apply heat to the solder jouit very long at all very quick.
@pileofstuff 2 жыл бұрын
This one has a lot of features that look *suspiciously* like the Hakko..
@darrenchapman7203 2 жыл бұрын
Back in the mid 80s I worked for a photocopier repair company back when a solder/ de-solder station was many thousands of dollars, we had a bag of cotton balls to catch the solder....always worried it might catch fire but it never did.
@MrJozza65 2 жыл бұрын
Impressive; I was surprised how easily that worked on removing the heatsink
@pileofstuff 2 жыл бұрын
I know. I thought that would be the hardest test, but it handled it like a champ.
@tonywharton5220 5 ай бұрын
I have a similar type but mine has a manual pop up spring loaded pump. Such a game changer especially when removing chips.
@neillowery7634 Жыл бұрын
I really enjoyed your review! I truly appreciate being able to see the internals. I’ve been on the fence of buying this tool. The suggested hack was a great tip too! Thank you
@AnotherMaker 2 жыл бұрын
Great review! I love the sound effects :) When I got my hakko version, I wondered how I lived without it... Although I'd practically pay $99 for that stand that came with yours. Mine is junk.
@markwhi1 2 жыл бұрын
@AnotherMaker I've been using a Hakko 633-01 stand for my Hakko desoldering pump, it's like US$25 on Amazon.
@StiffmanOz 2 жыл бұрын
I have both a Denon and a Hakko verson of these things, and they make life so much easier desoldering through hole components. You can often desolder multi pin chips, or header pins, and have them fall right out afterwards. knowing how well they work, I'd probably be going after one of these models if I didn't already have the ones I have. so handy.
@AlexanderBurgers 2 жыл бұрын
Looks like they're using the heating element as a series resistor to run the motor, much like in a hair dryer. Neat. :)
@donaldkormos5529 2 жыл бұрын
Ordered one of these ... and thanks for the copper (or brass) wool idea. Should be able to replace the little filters with something as well. All the best ...
@onecircuit-as 2 жыл бұрын
Great review of a handy tool. 👍😀
@chefbink61 2 жыл бұрын
I have the same one. It's a few years old and still works great. I would be very careful with the copper wool. Any thing that my obstruct the exit of the tip can cause it to clog. There is a short little run of the exit that's not heated well. There is a spring that is made that looks like a bullet. The smaller end has a hole in it that point toward the filter. I have never found a need for it myself but I guess it would be helpful.
@whodatdere1 2 жыл бұрын
I originally looked at the 998 version of this unit because of the higher suction, but the lack of nozzle sizes and wattage were the main reasons I did not keep mine. Ended up settling for the Hakko FR301.. Because nothing else would single handedly heat up large leaded multilayer appliance and power PCBs.
@gwesco 2 жыл бұрын
Looks like a clone of the Hakko FR301 I have. Don't know how I lived without one! Much easier than the hand sucker and solder braid.
@johnlucier8572 2 жыл бұрын
Have another beer, works well with electronics. Lost a friend over that. He was foolish and drinking wound up killing him repairing a tv set. Miss him but should of stop drinking. Great video will buy one..
@tookitogo 2 жыл бұрын
15:00 a tiny wad of brass wool (we just grab some from old brass wool in the recycling bin) is exactly what we use at my workplace (a vocational training center) on our Pace after students accidentally broke the glass tube when sliding the original aluminum S in.
@sortofsmarter 2 жыл бұрын
good review, I've been needing a de solder and always thought the gun style was cheap or inadequate. I was obviously wrong and great idea with the brass wool inside the chamber...
@shlomoattia7706 7 ай бұрын
thank you 👍
@UReasonIt 2 жыл бұрын
When I drink beer, I do like it to taste like beer! I would love to have a DS gun like that and may have to get one at some point. I'll have to say that the Eng. SS02 I have now has been working so good though!
@walterlippens6675 2 жыл бұрын
Nice piece of equipment 👍👍👍
@vytautasslenderis2702 6 ай бұрын
I have a similar unit - S-997P. My unit has a different type of tips, the ones with a long tube for solder transfer. These devices are two much trouble. If set to anything lower than maximum temperature, they clog quickly and the reason is that the tip shaft is very long and by the time solder reaches the end of the shaft it cools off, as the shaft is not heated evenly. Another big problem is that the tips wear out VERY VERY quickly and finding replacements is an absolute nightmare. The replacements for your unit, I guess, are more readily available. But the ones for S-997P are simply nonexistent. When I bought it, I ordered some replacements, but these are wearing out and are plain impossible to find anymore. So, most of the time, I tend to just grab my Engineer SS-02 sucker. No heat up time, no waiting, no tip wear, works OK, does the job.
@deathshaker0026 2 жыл бұрын
I like it. II got one in november. It does make things a little easier even if you are removing lots of stuff. It sure does save some time.
@adrianaustralia9135 Жыл бұрын
You can place a small amount of teased out steel wool in the glass tube - filter lasts a lot longer.
@wrxs1781 2 жыл бұрын
I would have tried it before dissemble, but a good revue never the less.
@Ni5ei 2 жыл бұрын
I always wanted one of these because desoldering often is a drag. Too bad they're pretty expensive though.
@tookitogo 2 жыл бұрын
A desoldering station is a revelation. It’s not just a convenience, it enables you to safely remove components that plain and simply cannot be done without damage otherwise. If you’re patient, set up some eBay or classified ad alerts and find a used one from Pace. Top quality, but not as well known among consumers, so used ones don’t sell for stupid prices like Weller. In Switzerland, where I am, there isn’t much Pace gear so it took 3 years till one came up, but I got one, an ST-75 with SX-90, for $115 (including shipping cost, and it came with around $100 worth of new supplies!) that just needed a fresh rubber seal (a $5 part) to make like new. That station, which you can still buy new today, costs nearly $1000 new. P.S. Pace’s videos on desoldering technique are fantastic. Proper technique makes it far easier and safer to do without damaging anything. (Their soldering tutorials are also second to none, even if they are very old videos.)
@johncoops6897 2 жыл бұрын
11:00 - NO, that isn't the Australian version. That's a Chinese plug! Also the voltage is wrong for Australia too. Normally, Australia and NZ should buy the 220/230V EU version then change the plug themselves. I have checked and there DOES NOT seem to be a 220/230V version on Banggood.
@rockets4kids Ай бұрын
Would love to hear an update after two years of use!
@pileofstuff Ай бұрын
It's still working just fine. The only maintenance I have had to do was routine cleaning.
@frankowalker4662 2 жыл бұрын
I bought the same one about 3 years ago and I've only just had to change the filters. They are realy low maintenance. The only thing is the cool down time is about 30 mins. LOL. Look after those rods, I can't find replacements anywhere. One of mine has a slight kink and won't fit down the barrel anymore.
@retroelectrons2 2 жыл бұрын
Good deal.
@Betterstartnow 2 жыл бұрын
A beer you can eat with a fork...
@DrexProjects 2 жыл бұрын
For free that's ok. But seeing how Justin takes all my spare change I still use a soldering Iron and blow the gunk out of the hole with compressed air. I'm not cheap. Just broke. And my bench is full of solder blobs. ( Or is that art ?)
@Mr_Meowingtons 2 жыл бұрын
i had that Solder sucker.. i had it for 1 week before it when in to runaway. it got so hot it started to melt down and got RED HOT. i sent it back for a Hako
@matambale 2 жыл бұрын
$100 is pretty cheap for a powered sucker, and that little pump looked to have a lot of suction - will be interesting to see if it endures regular use. Perhaps you'll share an update after a few sessions with it. I've read that maintaining a light coating of silicone oil inside that chamber will keep the extracted solder falling out easily. Using the brass pubes was a nice touch (sorry, didn't know what else to call that stuff).
@daveytechca 2 жыл бұрын
This unit seems to be relatively quieter than the Hakko FR-301... For that reason, the cost of the tool itself, the fact that you get a stand included and the replacement tips are much cheaper really poses the question why to even bother with the Hakko model.
@sincerelyyours7538 2 жыл бұрын
Looks a lot like the Hakko FR301 I bought 5 years ago. The Hakko was a real game changer for me, especially with point-to-point repair work. As usual the Chinese version is cheaper, but I give odds that the Hakko will last longer.
@pileofstuff 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, it does look *suspiciously* like the Hakko...
@yurkshirelad Жыл бұрын
The Hakko is probably less dangerous too! I'm not sure I trust tools like this bought directly from China.
@jackoneill1070 2 жыл бұрын
I have one. Works good at the beginning, but the tip is not very good and for some reason kills heating elements. (I've replaced the heating element 3 times with little use)
@pileofstuff 2 жыл бұрын
I'll have to keep an eye on that. Thanks.
@whodatdere1 2 жыл бұрын
I've heard a lot of complaints about these burning through elements. Not sure if it is lack of temperature control or what. If you have a way to check your temperature, I would recommend checking it out to see if it needs calibration. Do you heavily tin your nozzles before you turn off your gun? I've had major degradation issues initially with my knock off work gun, found that tinning helped a bit. The coating is very thin on these, so it doesn't take long to wear these down especially with lead free solders.
@Mazwreck Жыл бұрын
I had the same issue so after looking at the controller board and notice next to no protection to inrush of current to element on startup i added one across the line x2 cap on mains input and on heater element, also added a inductor to heater element side and never had any issues since,
@jackoneill1070 Жыл бұрын
@@Mazwreck Can you somehow post the schematic of your modification with component values?
@Mazwreck Жыл бұрын
@@jackoneill1070 isnt much to it, just disconnect one of the heater wires to the board, add in series a inductor, one side going to element, other to control board. then across both heater connections add a x2 mains rated capacitor across it,
@danman32 2 жыл бұрын
Single sided boards are generally easy, even with manual suckers. The real test would be a multi-sided board
@geirendre 2 жыл бұрын
You could also consider coating the inside of the glass tube with a thin layer of oil to prevent solder from sticking to it. The same goes for the metal part in the back of the tube.
@Palmit_ 2 жыл бұрын
i'd advise against that. sucking oil needs even more filtering of itself.
@johncoops6897 2 жыл бұрын
You could coat the glass in silicone oil, perhaps. But don't put anything on the filters.
@geirendre 2 жыл бұрын
@@Palmit_ No, it's just a thin film of oil on the inside of the glass. You dont suck anything there. It's a practice we learned when I took my soldering certificate in the Air Force. Also recomended by the manufaturers of the soldering stations we used.
@Joel-gf4zl 2 жыл бұрын
Not sure if someone else mentioned it as well, but I did mention on the last video that the Aoyue desoldering gun I have uses a spring with a taper at the end. Also using some silicone grease on it helps prevent the solder from sticking firmly to the spring. I have the same gun and the copper scour pad trick really helps extend the life of the filters and is cheap to replace.
@pileofstuff 2 жыл бұрын
It was you! Your mention of that spring is what made me think of using the scrubber in the reservoir. Thanks
@corkymork 2 жыл бұрын
Does it handle plated through hole components well? That would would be a real plus!
@pileofstuff 2 жыл бұрын
I haven't used it on many yet, but it pulled the hole clean.
@PaulGrayUK 2 жыл бұрын
Shame a selection of tips is not included as the price of spares seems a bit rake, If was the unit with a selection of tips - that as a package would be better. Also, two of each as I like to keep my tips used for lead-based solder separate from those of non-lead variety - just seems to prolong tip life if not mixing I found, though no hard science, just anecdotal. Defo good mod. Question - how well does the suction filter the fumes? Which may explain the extra layers of filter in the unit and if so, how easy to replace (felt pad be easy to get from crafts shops cheap).
@pileofstuff 2 жыл бұрын
I didn't notice any fumes during my tests, but I did also have my usual fan (out of view on the right side) blowing air across my workspace.
@pleasecho2 2 жыл бұрын
A filter made of felt is known as a felter (ducking)
@johncoops6897 2 жыл бұрын
And the under-feathers of a Duck is called "down".
@theheathkitshop2424 2 жыл бұрын
Hi... How about using the desoldering iron on a double sided PCB instead of the single sided board?
@dav1dbone 3 ай бұрын
Where to get a replacement glass tube though?
@iceberg789 2 жыл бұрын
the price tag is too expensive. also, i am worried, if the nozzle gets burnt over time.
@paolomartini150 4 ай бұрын
Mine got clogged. The long rod doesn't go all the way through. Any idea?
@pileofstuff 4 ай бұрын
I've also used a piece of guitar string to clean out things like this in the past.
@andrewkieran8942 2 жыл бұрын
FYI, when I went to buy the coupon has already expired.
@pileofstuff 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for letting me know. You're not the first one to encounter that. I have already e-mailed my contact at banggood.
@pileofstuff 2 жыл бұрын
Banggood sent me an updated code. See if this one works: BG77ae76
@andrewkieran8942 2 жыл бұрын
@@pileofstuff Thank you! I had hoped it would be $10 dollars. $20 was a huge bonus. Thank you. While I'm here, I'll add that I love what you do on KZfaq and your affable presentation style.
@erikdenhouter 2 жыл бұрын
$ 20 for the tip is a bit of a scam. They just count on the fact that you won't toss out a $ 100 device for that price. I will buy it when they throw in two spare tips. The membrane, that should be available too.
@Ni5ei 2 жыл бұрын
Any idea if there's a way to mod it to 230V? The 120V model is about $30 cheaper than the 220-240V model. I'm cheap so if it can be easily changed I rather save a few tenners.
@pileofstuff 2 жыл бұрын
Not sure. You would probably have to mess with the controller board a bit. Its not something i considered when i had it apart.
@user-st4kx4gu6z 3 ай бұрын
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@GnuReligion 2 жыл бұрын
Well, that is a tool I'd actually use. My manual solder suckers ... well ... they suck. The task I most dread is removing a precious IC or card that has a row of 20+ pins. Clearing journals of solder on a thru-plated PCB is also a chore. Have you ever abused the pads on a board so much that you burned them completely off, or is it just me?
@pileofstuff 2 жыл бұрын
Oh yeah. I've destroyed many pads and tracks over the decades. Which gave me the "opportunity" to learn how to bodge around that kind of faults...
@johncoops6897 2 жыл бұрын
Easy enough to repair a plated through-hole or via. Strip some fine stranded copper wire to get the individual strands. Poke it through the hole, bend each side to the broken track. Solder it all up.
@james10739 2 жыл бұрын
I have really been concerning one.of those I was figuring the one with a separate vacuum pump but I don't know how.much it maters but I tried the promo code and it said expired
@pileofstuff 2 жыл бұрын
Hmmm.. The Banggood rep e-mailed me that code last night. I'll check with them. Which code did you use (US warehouse or China warehouse)?
@james10739 2 жыл бұрын
@@pileofstuff us I'm pretty sure
@pileofstuff 2 жыл бұрын
@@james10739 Ok, I'll see what they say. Thanks for letting me know.
@pileofstuff 2 жыл бұрын
Banggood sent me an updated code. See if this one works: BG77ae76
@ArielBaravalle 2 жыл бұрын
Why haven't you tried it on a double sided board? not capable of desoldering double-sided plates?
@pileofstuff 2 жыл бұрын
I did and it works fine for doublesided boards. The video of that part was out of focus, so I couldn't include it.
@stevenspmd 2 жыл бұрын
Is the tip replaceable?
@pileofstuff 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, it just screws out. There's a link in the description to replacements and different size tps.
@TheEmbeddedHobbyist 2 жыл бұрын
That gun really sucks ;-)
@pileofstuff 2 жыл бұрын
I'm a sucker for a new tool.
@DanieleT.820 4 ай бұрын
The S993-A on Amazon is sell at 275$ ???? WTF ????
@pileofstuff 4 ай бұрын
The banggood link seems to have been removed, but the same one is still available on Ebay: www.ebay.ca/itm/145572073884
@IanG-uf2fq Жыл бұрын
Why do they give beers such silly names over there?
@cali4484 9 ай бұрын
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