I agree. that officer. standing there need to lose his rank. allowing thart crew to fight that fire not on air total lack of disaplen in that company. the leader are not leaders if they allow. that

its the east coast. they are crazy

@@danwetzel4021 get real..

Absolutely right!

Dalton Langsmith yes we are lol but not dawning an scba while preforming exterior attacks is the norm

Authority in relation to the authority of this earth. Fire is an example of the God in utilizing the Angels that have been punished and has been reverted to the existence of the fire! Anyone that knows that witch dancing around the fire it causes the metaphysical realm initiate with the fire to represent metaphysical and the physical destruction of living thing to be transferred to the Angels realm. God Provides an Authority for mankind to thrive. Angels have taken all Authority on earth to themselves to recreate or manipulate life in the metaphysical Heavenly Holy realm for their own Right to be God! This was not the intention of The allowance of the Angels yet was upheld by the Authority of God for the Angels themselves would have depleted themselves to maintain the realm by giving themselves to it Authority! God no longer is allowing it to be upheld as the Angels are excepting that they are to return to “Doing the Will of God on the physical and never to Do there own will against God ever again! As humanity is to thrive with the knowledge of the Authority we all have a right to expand our rights to life with the truth as we walk with knowing we are not perfect but in an encouraging our fellowship in the word that we speak to be our right of life or death! Be the image to others as we “ Do will of God” and stand for the preservation reflection of God within Mankind!

@@watchingyoutwo3800 keep taking the tablets pal you will be ok soon

@@terryrowles7751 I have an iPad tablet it’s nice!

@@watchingyoutwo3800 ...god does not exist. You are a sucker of other Peoples beliefs.

I am a paid firefighter and your opinion is correct. This is the price communities pay having volunteer departments.

Extremely, more then anything else they just wouldn’t put water on the fire, at one point the had left the nozzle to go do something, I know they aren’t refilling on air because they aren’t masked up (which they should be) but it’s like the fires burning the roof off of the place and they just left to go have a pep talk or something? Is it anyone’s place to question what happened, no, because who’s to say what resources/training they had available but still it took way too long for them to get water on the fire. .

The thing that scared me at first was seeing the supply lines brand new never showing any service wear or dirt. That's a huge red flag if your truck pulls clean never used supply lines.

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happyjack880 and he should have transitioned to an interior attack after he had the bulk of the fire knocked. That was their best chance of getting the upper hand. No chance of that tho, they were thinking hit it hard from the yard from the jump.

Did you see how the fire was extinguished as soon as he put water on it. lol

AND had he properly handled that line, even more could have been done. Zero maneuverability when you're sitting on top of the nozzle. Train to handle a deuce alone while standing and you can put just about ANYTHING out. Still, a good example of big water for big fire. 1.75" handlines are for recruits and car fires.

@@Westbankfireman I know, that in our country the buildings are mostly brick/concrete, but we don't ussualy use bigger hoses than 2". We sometimes use only 1" but like 3-4 lines from different sides. You could destroy more with water than with fire, if you use too much exces water.

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This made my day. Thank you!

Their motto is "We haven't lost a foundation yet".

@@2countries1god They save the building foundation very nice job

@supreme 2005 You are a MORON. They were slow as hell, they could have put the fire out in seconds, but they took their time and let the structure is RUINED because of their incompetence. Imagine if this was your home, IDIOT. Would you want THEM to treat it like this??

A geniune waste of good water.

Dawning and SCBA IN THE SMOKE made me cringe. In my area, you can't be in the hot zone without being on-air, no exceptions. Other than that was a solid response.

From other videos I dont think this crew even owns those kits.

The SCBA bothered me, too. God only knows what was in that smoke. No criticism of the firefighters, but they need to protect themselves first.

From my knowledge it depends the area I’ve seen a lot of locations arrive and get water on it ASAP but not to certain, hope that helped a bit

You say this while watching one of the worst fire departments. Don’t try and ride yourself above us because American firefighters are a different breed.

@@Emtmiller not at all. I'm not riding myself above anyone! Just a genuine question. Also having folded lengths of hose seems awkward and timely to get charged. Having coiled lengths that can be thrown out instantly reduces a lot of time. Wasn't aware they were the worst department either😅.

@@maudwagner7211 this is a poor representation of the American fire service, huge lack of PPE, big boys that take a tank just to walk to the house. Most depts can get water on the fire almost immediately upon arrival every FD CAN but some don't train enough to do so.

@@maudwagner7211 I recommend looking up David decker nework fire dept. In Ohio

Steven M I am not a fireman but I could see they weren’t doing too well let this fire.

@@Radionut It's the three stooges.

Use the wind to your advantage is not taught here..eating smoke with no scba in use is going to cause you some problems in your retirement. There wasn't much to save anyway, so at least save yourselves from the acrid smoke exposure.

agreed 2-3 well placed landlines could have knocked this fire down real quick

If you had read their volunteer fireman so they don't have to be there at all. They choose to volunteer

They suck

In Britain, when firefighters have breathing apparatus sets on, they always use it. They go in as an organised team where they are monitored, and when they get low on air, they are replaced by another BA crew if necessary.

In Canada I have never seen with their suba on even the snoke us light they don't take chances

@@MrFahrenheit200 Your right he is no bitch, because you can't be a bitch if you're dead!

They don't exactly represent all American Firefighters. I'm from PA and never seen them not use SCBA... including outside. Don't generalize... it's lazy.

I can guarantee that OSHA or NFPA what ever, gave them tons of citations for unsafe firefighting practices

I come from a small rural department in southwest Missouri and 99% of our volunteers are FF1&2, HAZ-MAT Ops, VRT and either EMR or EMT certified. All of our driver/operators are required to have a certified EVOC and pump operators certs. Hell if our little department can do it anyone can. And we do not allow our personnel to respond directly to the scene in their POV, unless all the apparatus needed is already on scene or in route then the IC can either have them respond with a brush truck or POV. Only our Chief officer are allowed to respond direct on the initial alarm. There is really no excuse for no training other than the officers failing to provide it. The State of Missouri will provide 2 free certified classes per department per year, all of our local departments Chiefs will work out a plan on which department is going to host each class and make a schedule of these classes so they aren't duplicating the class. Then all the departments can attend these free classes. It has worked out great for all of these departments and it really shows on fire scenes. We do 2-3 County wide training classes such as water supply, large scale incidents, interior operations etc. All the departments are universal in our hose sizes and coupling, accountability, radio frequencies, RIT equipment etc. The only thing is our SCBAs, some prefer Scott, some MSA and one has Dragers. And every department except 1 have 4500 psi packs, one department still uses 2216 packs.

Here in europe that kind of training is free

Watch a few videos on "Brandweer Lunteren" and say its because they're volonteers. There is no excuse for how badly the U.S. equips and trains its volonteers.

Bob Schmidt are you a Firefighter?

My volunteer department has all the same training actually fire and medical most of our guys are cross trained as either EMT or paramedics as well so no lack of training here the training is available if you want to invest the time to do it for us volunteers its not just a job like it is for you so called pros were not here getting paid for it we do it because we want to do it and do it to the best of our ability we love doing it shit most of the time we beat the only paid department in our area on scene 70% of firemen and departments nationwide are volunteer atleast most likely more here in Southern Missouri maybe 80 or 90s of departments here are volunteer outside of the major cities.

Underrated

If that was a Lamborghini Diablo or something like that - that hurts!!!

@@UltraBrickStudios what got me was AFTER the fire was showing the black pickup backs up besides the burning building

Master stream did it all but face peace respect is lack in this guys

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Ya, wtf was going on there?

oh hey don't forget you have to throw glass balls filled with water at it cause everyone knows to use those fire extinguishing grenades' on it (if you don't believe me look it up i swear it was a real thing mostly now sold as antique suvioners)

All I seen missing was the red noses and the white make-up !!

😂😂😂😂

Et une pompe à bras

This was not a day saved. Spraying water on everything but the fire.

Neglect of usage of SCBA often goes back to the days when fireman praised themselves as "Smoke Eaters". Those should be long gone.

If all the firefighters, police and others had worn SCBA during recovery efforts after 9/11, there would have been a lot fewer cancer deaths over the years since. Air contaminants can be insidious. It's obviously not just the smoke or chemical leaks that are hazards. The post - 9/11 body count has proven that. Slava Ukraini!!

Wow. I have seen people bully firefighters. But not like how yall just did it, how would yall like it if your house caught fire and the firefighters saved you and someone said all the piece of crap yall just said

@@emergencyresponsevideosand4423 I can't even begin to respond to your level of ignorance.

Dude shut up Don't compare Odessa firefighters VS USA fire firefighters

Water wasnt put in the correct places for the longest

Dude, this building was a total loss at the start

well fire is hard to put out its not like you just flick your finger and its out

​@@Rhett_Kierbow It's a lot harder when you wait for it to burn half way down before you start fighting it.

@@ffandrewd2986 no it wasnt

Fire isn’t you just put water on it and it’s out it takes time, and for you to be that disrespectful to people who save countless lives everyday is a shame, learn to be grateful

😂😂

Dammit I wanted to comment this! Hahaha

Haven't lost one, yet!

The place was gone before they got there.

What else did you really expect - fully involved single story structure upon arrival -protect exposures - defensive "surround and drown" attack

I was wondering if I was the only one who saw the turtles 🐢

Is there anyway I can get in contact with you? I'd like to know a little more how this could be attacked. Greetings from Guatemala

I totally agree

Please explain.

Yeah this just shows bad training and a lack of confidence instilled in the fire fighters. You shouldn't be standing at a fire with a hose and look at your chief every 30 seconds wondering if its okay.

I love watching American firefighters at work. Its fukking hilarious 😂

That's soo true

Did it for 25 years so I know what it take to dedicate time to the fire house. But training,training,training!! Water pressure failures happen! But this fire was more about how the incident was run. Putting the tower up basically for the sake of putting it in service was 100% unnecessary. Nobody was working as a cohesive unit. It was more of a free for all. The guys had the willingness to work but there was no command. It was a freelance job and the guys with the white helmets need to held accountable for that show. They need to watch this (I'm sure they did) and go over it step by step. This video can be used as a drill by Whitehall and other departments..

Agreed. Its nice to see people looking the positive side perspective. :)

Well Said. Thanks

For show

Well the Tower Ladder shouldn't even be operating at that point. They needed to take a charged line into the structure and put out the fire. The tower ladders stream is so powerful it will seriously hurt someone.

Jack

car 54 nothing left inside worth anything now not even the blocks

----and the lot.

Just a sad show, they all need retraining especially "command" level. So much standing so little fire fighting.

Ikr

Yeah that's the thing, early in the video it was just a little fire, probably started by solvent soaked rags/spontaneous combustion, but by the time the FD actually gets there the whole place is on fire and by then you KNOW it's a total loss and it looks like they knew it too. It was a cheaply constructed concrete block building of low value and they were not going to do much more than just enough to keep it from spreading. Before the video here the owner saved a chest of tools by backing his truck up and dragging it out, what I dont get is at that point why didnt he grab a fire extinguisher FIRST!!! A news report said the owner usually brings his dog to the shop but didnt this time!

Glad someone else noticed that. It was a painful experience to watch this.

The guy on the 2½ line at the back had his mask on without the hood over it And he was one of the better firefighters there

Their volunteers know it all

@@jonallen1357 Search for "brandweer luteren" here on KZfaq and blame it on the fact its volonteers again. The real reason is the critical lack of equipment, funding and training in the US.

I agree with a lot of comments that the building was a loss but it looked like if they were aggressive the office area might have been saved. The alacart attack of lets put hoses of side A,B,C, and put up the tower was from lack of incident command.

Hey at least they tried. I dare you do do their job for a day. Then see how hard it is. Maybe then you will be more appreciating.

It was a 100% loss by the time they arrived

The building is found in a poor neighborhood, and probably owned by a minority, so why the rush? I think that's how their psychology was working as they approached this fire.

@@alphainfinitum3445 what has that got to do with anything

They must dont fight a lot of fire there

There’s multiple things wrong in this video

Most volunteer fire departments only respond to 2-5 actual fires a year

@TheBenPatches also worth noting that areas that do have good firehall coverage with good response times are less likely to have a video because the firetrucks are on scene so fast. Theres just less time for someone to happen by and take a video of it before the fire is gone.

The very first mistake is when the tower passed the engine in the street and became the initial attack apparatus. Most ladders only carry 300-500 gallons on average, so it usually only take a couple of minutes to blow through that! If they had pulled the engine in first at least they'd have had probably 750-1000 gallons to use while the 2nd due secured a water supply.

4:04 Looks like they had a hydrant across the street, and a tanker parked and waiting. Getting water to the site wasn't the problem, i think.

@@qbasicmichael Calkins 😮

I think it's 16, but I can't quite tell.

That how many structures he lost.

@@bp4170 That's how many structures he allowed to burn completely after the policy holders slipped him a few C notes.

How about 0!

They are hooker up to a water tanker!

And there is fire hydrants so where is the limited water?

Pfft. Ain't that big, all the had to do was piss on it and call it good.

Truck goes up building goes down in a lot of areas

And you're a firefighter too?

This is a rural volunteer fire department. They probably don't get many actual structure fires or opportunities for live burn training. I saw mostly young guys that probably don't have much experience. They seem to be lacking experienced senior guys in key roles in the incident command system that probably would've eliminated a lot of the fundamental errors seen in the video.

Yeah, they look like a bunch of groups of the three stooges out together and told go put out that fire. Hopefully you know who they are if not look them up. The three stooges actors. They are funny as all get out.

Lydirius that was so mean

I got your cookies and a bonfire at my house

Nice!

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Вери кулл не о слово, проебали пожар. Но у них другие правила, у нас бы за такое тушение выеба.. а потом высышили.

@@user-bor7878 , а какие у них другие правила?

Yep

You, like so many other fools in this comment thread, really do just think you have it all figured out. I know you probably think everything comes infinite and free, but you actually really have to use those crucial materials only when absolutely necessary. Educate yourself; a course in basic logic may suffice. .

Educate yourself; a course in basic firefighting may suffice.

Yeah, because 'that's what they do in the movies', right -watched a few, and now you're somewhat of an expert, huh. Lol, whatever.. 🙄

@@mrzerkaman never said an expert. But someone who is a certified firefighter with near 2 decades of experience. But hey tell yourself whatever you need to make you think your opinion matters.

You know they have to get to the department first🤦🏼‍♂️

Building is fucked anyway who cares.

Yeah, I don't get it 🤔

I mean, they had water on it in less than 2 minutes, seems pretty solid to me.

@@deepposeidon289 exactly

Well put. So many attack mistakes here.

New Apostles I don’t know if they could have saved the building if they got water on sooner or not. Was this this a full time department or volunteer but they did seam a little disorganized by not being on scene it is hard to tell what was really going on.

why does everyone have piss opinions about departments? even my towns department has a "keyboard chief" review. keep your opinions to your selves. a department is a department, you wanna see bad, search Grants Pass rurual fire department..

A LITTLE SLOPPY is an under statement.

@@davidglaum2538 Does it matter if it's career or volunteer?

Chief should be fired, not a single FF with SCBA on the fire ground area. Enjoy cancer after sucking it in right there infront of you

B h Lehigh county isn’t a bunch of yard breathers.

And be yard breathing?

​@@trabetan0311 If they would have had their SCBAs on that would not have been yard breathing lol. What's the point or carrying around a cylinder on your back and a mask clipped to your coat if you aren't going to use it?

Lots of SCBA'S but not many masks being worn Where is the Safety Officer?

And push in!!! Attack the fire, not squirt the hose everywhere except into the fire.

I mean maybe so but if it didn't take 6 minutes to get water on the building something might have been saved

I pay everyday(and night mostly) for being Mr bad Lt FF who put out car fires without one.. my lungs are shot.. and have been disabled for over 10 years, smoke eaters are bad boys, just don't tell your lungs..

You obviously don't live in rural America! I'm an asst. chief in a volunteer FD in a small Pennsylvania town of 200 people. We rely on numerous fund raisers throughout the year to make our money. We have a large coverage area, with 2/3 of it forest lands. Our fire tax earnings barely covers our insurance costs. So paying fire fighters to help coverage just isn't practical. The next two nearest FD, also volunteer, are 10 and 12 miles away. The county we serve in is the same size as the state of Rhode Island , and it's all volunteer.

@@tdkreg I had the chance to drive by a house fire in Venango County just shortly after it started. I stuck around first volunteer units arrived I even helped set ladders hook up a line to a hydrant maybe 5 minutes later more showed up and they really went to work on that house fire I was impressed. In a rural area our volunteer fire departments are social centers too, fish dinners, gun raffles, festivals etc. serve more to the community than just fire fighting. I donate each year to the volunteer department servicing my area. They also bring the trucks out for the kids at Halloween and Christmas again another thing they do that does not involve fires.

>watches one video on youtube WOW wow are americans so slow and disorganized >doesnt realize there are thousands of Departments across the Country. Leave it to a foreigner to be this ignorant.

Lol it takes me 7 just to get to the station. Although our JD is only a 10-15 min radius with full time support

Rickenbacker954 no they couldn't. This place was gone. You think different you don't know what you're talking about. #1 thing here is nobody gets hurt. Lots of potential for that here. (Real firefighter, 27 years)

Before it got away??????? There was fire visible from every opening of the building ON ARRIVAL. This didn’t get away from anyone. And as for using 1 3/4 in line(s), that would be/was pointless as these guys figured out when they shut them down and switched to a second 2 1/2. FF-1 remember?.... we need to apply enough water to stop the BTU output of the fire to extinguish it.

RIT Irons nope. 2 2.75 lines on arrival done. It got away after the fire got air instead of water. 🤷🏻‍♂️

Okay....? I’m not going to become involved a pointless KZfaq pissing match but, early in the video there’s fire visible over the roof on the opposite side of the building indicating the fire is already venting. The window on the side we can see fails and fire can also be seen venting from the main doors long before the first apparatus arrives. You can believe what you’d like, but the building is heavily involved, well beyond the capabilities of 1 3/4 lines. Also, at no point does the FD do any form of ventilation that would have let air affect the fire.

I like how the fire chief is just walking around. Help old man

Yes, they are our brothers, but they actually need more training. I've seen other videos of this department.

It's not about the guys doing their best. It's about the lack of training that is widespread in America. They put more energy in adding lights to trucks then do basic training like mask on. There is no coordination in wich team goes for the first attack. The volunteers don't have the equipment to be ready as soon as the firetruck arrives. It's all lack of eliminating time consuming tasks. And its not only this video that supports this. It's alot. America is far behind Europe on this.

Sorry but to excuse their lack of actions onto the fire fighters and the building is a cop out to the fire fighter. Theres something wrong in that station and we all know it because it shows on the fire ground. Also dont say that your a chief and forget s.o.ps, thats embarrassing.

Firefighting is not a place to give guys a break. You want the world to look at you as the super hero's and "save lives everyday" then step up to the plate and learn what comes with that hero worship. The mistakes made at this scene are what COST lives not save lives. Even when a building seems a loss. without putting lives at risk, do your best. As I have said in previous posts, there was a huge lack in Chain of command and crews not following directions. To be totally honest, it starts with poor leadership and goes downhill from there. Maybe some brutally honest comments might wake these guys up before they cost a life, or have to attend court and justify their actions to a judge.

that was armature at best what a disgrace this seems a regular thing in the USA do any fires get put out before a fire takes hold, maybe its time you spent on training and less LED lights pimping the chiefs vehicle as usual americans blaming everything but there own piss poor performance

no kidding! for a 16ft tall building!

I guess because ladder truck starts putting H2O downstream all other attack stops? There's still interior fire and they are just standing around. For a little bit atleast.

I don’t know much about firefighting, but I was wondering why they wanted to use that so bad while the roof was still intact, and they had hoses at either open end.

Ron eagle exactly what I was thinking when i saw them setting it up. Lol

You can use the ladder to put out the fire from a high position. But it would have been better to get a second "normal" firetruck instead.

I'd love to know the same, from first caller to dispatch. From alert to first arriving engine . 🤦‍♂️

6+ minutes till first water, 10 minutes in and no water through the big OPEN WINDOW nearest the truck, with fire pouring out.

It's just a building.. As long as lives aren't at stake.

@@mrzerkaman yep. When it's confirmed unoccupied and already well involved there's no sense trying to get hurt