23 mudbuddy minni with 670 (22hp) predator swap. Dual carb upgrade, direct drive with bigger drive pully and wider belt. Max speed i got was 29 solid with one person.
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@Bonnie-Clyde90 Жыл бұрын
Any way I could see not pictures of the motor
@naterawle Жыл бұрын
Huh?
@clayton203 Жыл бұрын
How does that work in heavy rain, Just wandering, looks like it would suck water
@naterawle Жыл бұрын
It ran good for a bit but once they got soaked it would start bogging down then shut off. I made some covers for them then not long after i got rid of the motor
@michaelallen72725 ай бұрын
I am totally new at this i Purchased 670 Predator and would like to put duel carbs on it could you advise me on what carbs to buy and duel manifold?
@naterawle5 ай бұрын
I bought all my parts on performance 670 website years ago. I just looked them up and i cant find the site anymore but i did find a site that sells them. performancemad.com/product-category/predator-670-engine-parts/air-fuel/page/3/ Theres all kinds of performance stuff for that engine on there. If you are putting it on a mud boat, i sugest going single mikuni carb unless your doing a big build. I fully built that motor in this video before i got rid of it and it was a monster. But cost a bit for one, for 2 alot of work. If your doing just a carb kit, do a single mikuni kit valve springs and push rods would be my suggestion for you. Dont want to slap a piston.
@CC-pi6gm Жыл бұрын
What did you use for a spacer on the crankshaft between the crankcase and the belt pulley?
@naterawle Жыл бұрын
Factory spacer for the 23
@seanseand83917 ай бұрын
I’m trying to copy your set up rn and I’m running into a problem where the 1inch shaft on the 670 doesn’t fit the factory 1in&1/8 factory electric clutch from the vanguard I got it from how did you do it ? Did you use a different electric clutch? Thank you for your time your info is important to me
@naterawle7 ай бұрын
I got rid of the clutch. At first i had a sleve made to fit clutch to the predator but it ended up braking. So i went to motion induatries and got a pulley like the one on the prop shaft and just made it direct drive.
@dirtysouthoutdoor26624 жыл бұрын
What speeds are you getting what else have you done to the motor besides the carbs
@naterawle4 жыл бұрын
Stock motor with just carbs, stock frame with stock pullies I got 22-23 top speed, with carbs and a bigger pully on engine I am getting 29-30
@dirtysouthoutdoor26624 жыл бұрын
natedegrate did you pull the governor out and did you gutt the exhaust or left them
@naterawle4 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately I'm too lazy to pull it apart but I just bypassed it, the dual to single cable goes from carbs to throttle. No governor. And it had stock exhaust and now it has one of the ram horn headers on it with a 2" muffler.
@naterawle4 жыл бұрын
I'm going to run it tomoro and I can post another video with the new exhaust
@dirtysouthoutdoor26624 жыл бұрын
Awesome man I’d really appreciate it I got the same motor on a 35hp frame and I’m about to do a carb and exhaust and you don’t see many 22hp predator motors on surface drive
@charlesstaton8104 Жыл бұрын
What size jets are you running in those carbs? Especially interested in the idle jet size. I just put dual carbs on mine and the smallest idle jets I can get, still seems way too rich.
@naterawle Жыл бұрын
I didn't change the jet sizes. Just adjusted idle screw
@bradyliss587511 ай бұрын
what size carb and did you do any other upgrades in side the Motor?
@naterawle11 ай бұрын
Dual 28mm. And not in this video, later on i did a big cam, port and polished heads shaved 40, push rods springs and roller rockers
@bradyliss587511 ай бұрын
@@naterawle ok thank you and why did you choose a dual carb instead of a 34 mm single and rpm’s are u getting off this Set up
@naterawle11 ай бұрын
@@bradyliss5875 i dont have the motor anymore. After all the work i was getting around 56-5800. And at the time the single 38 was out of stock
@southernaddiction51523 жыл бұрын
What did you use for a gas pump?
@naterawle3 жыл бұрын
Cheapest non ethenol i could find
@naterawle3 жыл бұрын
87 oct non ethenol
@southernaddiction51523 жыл бұрын
@@naterawle not gas type, but did you run Gas lines straight from carbs to the gas tank or from the carbs to a fuel pump to the gas tank
@naterawle3 жыл бұрын
@@southernaddiction5152 it was tank, fuel line to water seperator/filter, fuel pump ( mikuni pump) then a t then to carbs
@JC-pz5rk2 жыл бұрын
nice setup. I'm new to the mudbuddy. I just bought a mb and it has a 29 hp kawasaki. can't get fuel to the injectors so I'm planning for a swap to the predator. do you think it will mount right up? thank you.
@naterawle2 жыл бұрын
Yes but you will need to change the clutch to one that fits the shaft or go with a sprocket (no neutral)
@JC-pz5rk2 жыл бұрын
@@naterawle it's a long tail. I'm assuming I may need a sleeve to get the 1-1/8 diameter for direct drive?
@naterawle2 жыл бұрын
@@JC-pz5rk yea that or get a joint that is whatever size for the prop shaft and the size for output shaft on 670
@naterawle2 жыл бұрын
@@JC-pz5rk i had a sleve on mine with clutch and it broke so just be mindfull if you use a sleve
@JC-pz5rk2 жыл бұрын
@@naterawle thank brother, ill try the joint then. I was worried about the mount holes and the bottom plates screws. seems like thy will line up thank you
@mphjunkie54573 жыл бұрын
How did you tune the carbs? Just got the 24 mm for mine
@naterawle3 жыл бұрын
Man i didnt change any jets i just ajusted idol screws. Runs good not fat not lean but just right
@doodle2113 жыл бұрын
What size pulley goes on the motor? And where can I get it
@naterawle3 жыл бұрын
I know the pully i had was 4 teeth more than factory clutch
@naterawle3 жыл бұрын
And i got it from motion industries
@dillwayne78063 жыл бұрын
You need to lower the pitch in the prop
@naterawle3 жыл бұрын
Accually ran good
@joseluislara71943 жыл бұрын
What size boat? And you need to make a top speed video!
@naterawle3 жыл бұрын
It was on a 1542 weldcraft. Fastest i seen with it was 30 before the bottom of boat got all bent up and with the stock mini prop
@yellowhammerofishal1943 жыл бұрын
What lower unit is this? And how did you get it? And link?
@naterawle3 жыл бұрын
Its a mudbuddy mini frame
@lukeknighton49183 жыл бұрын
What did you use for your dual intake?
@naterawle3 жыл бұрын
Performance 670s dual carb kit
@lukeknighton49183 жыл бұрын
Noticeable power difference?
@naterawle3 жыл бұрын
@@lukeknighton4918 over stock engine yes. A little less at low rpms but it didnt take long to wrap up to get into its band. Before dual carbs i would get 21-22 4 people ice chest, with carbs i would get 26-28 same load. Then around 21-22 with 9 people i ran once with carb setup
@lukeknighton49183 жыл бұрын
@@naterawle thanks for messaging me back. I’m in the process of DC mine. That’s quite a noticeable difference in speed. I imagine you removed the governor in the process. I went with two intake flanges for a 212, 28mm Kiehin carbs and a cable splitter for a banshee for a whopping total of $115~. Are you running the stock fuel pump?
@naterawle3 жыл бұрын
@@lukeknighton4918 it was running on stock pump untill it went out, and i didnt take the govenor out with the carbs, i just ran it with it in there. Later shen i did the cam i did take it out but i nexer had problems with it. It ran around 40-4200 rpms in the water
@renzocolominas12802 жыл бұрын
What kg boat ?
@naterawle2 жыл бұрын
Its a 15x42 with 15 in sides
@floutdoorstv79143 жыл бұрын
How the reliability on the engine so far??
@naterawle3 жыл бұрын
Was great. Would swap one on my truck if i could
@southernaddiction51523 жыл бұрын
How’d you hook the choke up?
@naterawle3 жыл бұрын
The chokes are on the carbs. Dual mikuni set up
@southernaddiction51523 жыл бұрын
@@naterawle I just ordered one. So all I do is hook up the new throttle cable ?
@kirkbourgeois82554 жыл бұрын
Electric trim and clutch?
@naterawle3 жыл бұрын
No. Had a clutch from the 23 vangaurd and i had to put a shim around the shaft to be right for the clutch and it ended up breaking and the clutch messed up so i pulled it off and made it direct drive
@MTTavi013 жыл бұрын
What mud fram is that? Oris it home made
@naterawle2 жыл бұрын
Mudbuddy minni frame
@kirkbourgeois82554 жыл бұрын
How did you get the frame?
@naterawle4 жыл бұрын
Bought it brand new from the boat doctor. And had the clutch but had some problems so went direct drive and haven't looked back
@kirkbourgeois25603 жыл бұрын
What size boat
@naterawle3 жыл бұрын
15x42 15 in sides
@performancemudmotors4 жыл бұрын
keep you gear ratio between 1.39 and 1.50 that crank will twist in half
@naterawle4 жыл бұрын
Ain't broke it yet😆😆 next step is cam
@performancemudmotors4 жыл бұрын
@@naterawle ive snapped 2 at 1.26 ratio but i was getting 32-34 mph on a mud hull that was 440lbs,
@naterawle4 жыл бұрын
@@performancemudmotors what frame?
@performancemudmotors4 жыл бұрын
@@naterawle gator tail
@performancemudmotors4 жыл бұрын
Running a 23hp vanny now and love it smooth as silk and decent charging system and I can now run a clutch becuase the 1 1/8th shaft diameter
@dirtysouthoutdoor26624 жыл бұрын
Hey what oil do you run in the 670cc
@naterawle4 жыл бұрын
10w30 full synthetic
@dirtysouthoutdoor26624 жыл бұрын
natedegrate just blow mine up going to take it back and get a new one before my warrantee up
@naterawle4 жыл бұрын
@@dirtysouthoutdoor2662 hahaha hell yea, what happened? I run the dog shit out of mine. I am about to be ordering springs so I stop floating valves
@dirtysouthoutdoor26624 жыл бұрын
natedegrate is what really happen Ik the othe day the water fell out and I was just going throw stright mud with 3 people and gear and was riding around for 6 hours and at full rpm I had a vibration sound coming from the cylinder by the starter and then it started to make a squiling sound ran all the way back to the boat ramp that night and if you try to trun the prop feels like it’s bonded up in the motor did something like that the other day but the next day ran fine think scored a piston
@dirtysouthoutdoor26624 жыл бұрын
When your valves are like that does it have a bad rattle at high rpms or what’s it do