So finally someone who thinks of me. I too, being raised Presbyterian UPC and now PCUSA, confirmed in the denomination have found it appalling to say the least what is happening in our denomination, and what others consider Presbyterian. First of all, listen well to this guy!! My church as a child had strong ties with the mother Church of Presbyterians in Scotland which is the Church of Scotland and particular St Giles Cathedral. All these off shoots of modern day Presbyterians are not Presbyterian in my mind, I do not give a rats you know what if they say they are. They are nothing but, as he explained here modified and Reformed Baptists. Presbyterians are NOT Baptist, not close to Baptist. We differ on government, our understanding of Salvation, there belief in their ordinances which we call Sacraments are totally different. We DO NOT BELIEVE its just a memorial!! We actually believe in pneumatic Real Presence which Anglicans and Methodist share as well. We baptize infants and do not believe that is just some kind of act, and you need to do it as a consenting adult for salvation. So I have been Presbyterian most all my life, christened as a baby Methodist and then later Presbyterian and confirmed in that denomination. Look at who the PCUSA is in full communion with, and you will not notice any of these offshoot Presbyterians. I do not give a rip if they call themselves that. Their core beliefs, worship and idea of Confessions of the church are not what we hold. I am all for church tradition. We have to remember, that John Knox- The Church of Scotland ( Presbyterian) broke from the Roman Catholic, we are not an offshoot of Anglicans like Methodist, we are actually siblings with Anglicans and Lutherans and the such. I am all for tradition and voices like this. Perhaps people, especially in these free flowing Presbyterian denominations need to see and understand what real Presbyterianism is about!! I am going to leave a link for St Giles Cathedral where you can watch services. Also a link on our beliefs. I have never been comfortable in these modern day PCA or OPC churches, in my mind, they are not truly real Presbyterians. BTW we have only named a few, there are many break offs. Now also the Cumberland which was not mentioned is also a great Presbyterian denomination, and many are traditional. These other ones , in my opinion should take out the name Presbyterian and go by something else, they truly do NOT follow our tradition. Some do not even have a Confession of Sin in the service, even before Communion some do not recite the Lords Prayer, Apostles or Nicene Creed, Do not wear Clerical robes/vestments do not have an Order of Worship, and the list goes on. Those in my mind are NOT TRUE and TRADITIONAL PRESBYTERIANS. This guy, said it and articulated it well. We need to not stray away from tradition. www.stgilescathedral.org.uk/9723-930 www.presbyterianmission.org/what-we-believe/

Just an idea, a video summarizing historic Christian heresies could be very interesting

Zoomer, you might not see this but your videos honestly helped me find God. 26 years old surely haven't been pious, but I know through Him, all will be forgiven. Thank you for inspiring me.

I was a degenerate, atheistic twenty-three year old alcoholic in a jail cell for a DUI when a young, quietly charismatic OPC pastor came and administered a service to the five or six of us who joined. It was an amazing experience. He left me with "Putting Amazing Back Into Grace" by Michael Horton, along with an ESV Bible, with reading suggestions. Later, I reached out, and he brought me the Westminster. Upon release, I met with the pastor in person and we discussed the goings on of Christ and culture. I even went to his church, Providence OPC in Southfield, MI. The tenor was very serious, and the style, unadorned. I wasn't ready for it because my intentions were not set right. That day is set apart. I was still too worldly to get it. It wasn't about me. Even so, I've never forgotten that experience and the generosity of the pastor. I've always felt like God was doing a work through him to call unto me.

I would consider any church which ordains women to be progressive. Being conservative on a handful of other issues doesn’t change that.

A pastor who does not believe Jesus literally rose from the dead is a false shepherd, a wolf.

Bro destroyed the theology of half of the modern Christians in the first 25 seconds

I implore to you make a video on: -how to pray(to whom? When?) -how to repent(what for? Penance?)(What if I forgot something?) -etc. Essentially: HOW TO be a Christian

I'm so happy you included us in the RPCNA! I actually visited that pretty white church in the bottom right corner last month. I promise that we're not cold, but actually quite warm and welcoming. No "frozen chosen" here!

The historical Baptist (not anabaptist) view was spiritual presence. I believe what happened was that a lot of low church views infected the baptists churches (and many other churches as well) after the 2nd great awakening which promoted restoration instead of reformation. The Baptist movement already had some restorationist attitudes, however, at one point, many Baptists were high church and believed in real presence.

“…people converting to Catholicism and Orthodoxy on mass” no pun intended lol.

Would love a video about sexual sin, it’s an underdiscussed topic in my opinion since it’s so incredibly prevalent, but you don’t hear many people actually discussing it and how to combat it on an interpersonal and societal level. I am in middle school, and it is incredibly surprising how much sex is discussed, and how many people dress and act immodestly. (I mean it kinda makes sense my school district is really leftist, but still)

As someone that left the Presbyterian Denomination, I'm so glad you're making this. Really appreciate all the work you're doing for Christianity.

OPC was the church God used to draw me to him and reformed theology(in the deep South of all places). You need to visit an OPC church before you pass judgment, imo. They were more warm and welcoming than the PCA church I attend now, and do far more community outreach as well. The OPC churches around us join up with PCA churches to do conferences. I may be biased bc I loved my OPC family, but I think your broad swaths can be damaging, especially if you have no personal experience with them.

Ranking other traditions of denominations would be interesting (ie Lutheranism, Anglicanism, etc).

In Europe all protestants have churches and cathedrals. My school is located on Lutheran street. And the street is named so because it starts with Lutheran church.

I completely agree with your views on PCUSA and PCA. Sadly, there are no moderate PCUSA churches near me and there are no ECO churches, only PCA and Cumberland. I am going to visit a PCA church this upcoming Sunday. God bless!

Thanks so much, brother, for another excellent video. You are building up treasures in heaven, brother!

I question how much a person reads the bible if they don't believe they need church and only need the bible. Reading the bible would explain why you need church.

Minus the F-tier row, this tier list is really just a ranking of which denominations on average have the church buildings that Redeemed Zoomer likes the most.

EPC-ECO merge. ARP, OPC, and PCA merge. ECO becomes complimentarian and merges with PCA. PCA now has better view of sacraments. PCUSA becomes conservative and merges with the PCA. I like PCA over PCUSA, so the PCA brand would take over.

RZ wanted to kiss the screen when he read about their theology? He's about to go Orthodox for sure.

Non-denoms be like: there was early church then 1900 years later Jim Bob's Nondenom church finally got it exactly right! ECO be like: there was the early church then 1900 years later we finally got women's ordination right!

26:10 They have: the foundation fo Westminster theological seminary in Philadelphia for which many reformed denominations are thankful for

This is very informative. Please do tier lists for the other major denominations as well!

love to hear you talking about ECO!

Sir you've unfairly characterized the OPC. We don't have a huge impact because we're a small denomination, but we punch our weight as far as evangelism and outward ministry is concerned. Please visit an OPC church some time.

Before becoming an Anglican I was a Presbyterian for thirty years -- born and baptized in the Presbyterian Church (U.S.), the old Southern Presbyterian Church, amalgamated into the PCUSA in 1983, departed for the ARP in 1993. Your point about the strength of the Scots Confession is valid, but in the PCUSA you also have to accept the Confession of 1967 in the Book of Confessions. While I share your convictions about women clergy, the chances for a candidate in the PCUSA who holds those convictions are practically nonexistent. If Walter Wynn Kenyon was still alive I'd encourage you to ask him about his experiences. Finally, as a Southerner, I find your attitude toward those from our region dismissive, to include the sarcastic accent.

I'm not Christian but I watch your videos because I am attracted to autistic nuance in hobbies and vocations.

Lol you’re the best unbiased person for these kinds of videos. I laughed at the beginning

There's a church near me i am thinking about scouting for the reconquista, what ahould i be looking for, and what should i be doing?

As someone who grew up in an EPC, and still being a member of one, i actually fully agree with your ranking. Each church can be wildly different, and that brings it down a little to me.

us zoomers in the discord definitely contributed to that southern voice😂

ARP guy here, haven’t started the video yet but It’s crazy to see our tiny denomination on YT. I’m interested to see what you have to say, will edit with my response. Edit: first I want to say, great video. I’m a Zoomer myself and this is one of the first 30 minute videos I’ve watched all the way through in a while. I agree with the B tier rating, I would say A tier but I think a good point is made that ECO has more traditional churches. For example, my church which I’ve grown up in is just in the building of an Lutheran Church that was probably built in the 70s or 80s, though our congregation has been around for a whopping 185 ish years. Another thing is that there is one difference between the ARP and the PCA, a minor one but it’s there. In the ARP we ALLOW women to be deacons, although this is at the discretion of each individual church congregation. This is because it’s a servant role and not a leadership role. But overall, a good analysis and I will definitely be checking out the Scot’s Confession.

29:00 😂😂😂 I wasn’t even going to comment about your exclusion of the CREC but now I feel obligated to say something

I grew up in a hardcore leftist PCUSA church, then after 15 years of not going to church, I found myself in a PCA church. There’s no question that the PCA church I now go to is much better in every way. The PCUSA church taught us lots of heresies. They didn’t emphasize the Westminster confession at all. Also the church got hijacked by the LGBTQ community to the point where it became known as one of the foremost gay churches in the country. So glad to be PCA now. I haven’t noticed any of the criticisms you have in my PCA church. We take the sacraments seriously and my pastor is very clear about why we do infant baptism.

I will be checking out a biblical PCUSA church in my town this upcoming Sunday. I would have never considered the PCUSA until I learned about you and your movement.

RZ, Reformed Baptist (aka “Bless your heart” Calvinist) here. Regarding sacraments (which we call ordinances), where would you start to better understand them as means of grace instead of just symbols? I came from Trinitarian Pentecostalism to Reformed Charismatic to Reformed Baptist unsure about continuation of gifts, so I’m open to hearing other views. I looked up the local PCUSA church here in Jefferson City, and it’s pastored by a woman and it seems they are pretty woke. Based on their worship guide, they still seem to be traditional in their worship, though. I haven’t driven by to see if a pride flag is hanging out front yet.

“The PCA is my favorite baptist denomination” had me rolling. I go to school in the Bible Belt, so the church choices are like Catholic, Baptist, Baptist, Baptist, Non-denom (but really baptist), and PCA. Now, I actually don’t go to any of those. I go to the new baptist church plant, because that’s what the city needed: another baptist church.

Just started and we already introduced quantum mechanics into a teirlist

I am Calvary Chapel attendee. However, so many things said about looking for something different is so spot on. Going through all of it, now. The Eucharist is the biggest thing for me at the moment.

God bless your struggle for the PCUSA!

Would LOVE this for the traditional Protestant groups like Lutherans, Methodists, etc.

I belong to a PCA church in NJ & am so glad it is absolutely nothing like you said they tend to be. I didn’t even know these trends exist in the PCA because we hold the historical Presbyterian view of both sacraments and a high view of worship with traditional liturgy. I know you said there are exceptions, but just commenting to confirm this since it is possible a PCA church may be the only solid Presbyterian church near you.

I love your views on winning back the denominations. I'm reading a book talking about the church under communsim and I see a lot of similarities. I love this quote in it. We stay because if we go, who will be left to pray? - Brother Andrew, God's Smuggler.

1st off, thank you. I love your videos and love how humble you are. I loved your ending, that many will have different priorities-that's really what it comed down to. Stick to those God given convictions. That said, I wanted to say a few things as an OPC member. You're probably busy and have a life outside of KZfaq, so take your time in replying. It's the people, not the building, that makes the difference. I asked in a previous comment, what do you say to what Jesus said about worshipping in Spirit and truth being more important than the place? I agree that, sadly, we in the OPC appear to be lacking in influencing culture. However, have you read Ortland's book Ordinary? It helped me a lot in realizing how the "ordinary" acts of the church are what really transform us and culture. Thankfully, I've been in the same church my whole life and whenever someone visits they say the complete opposite of what you said-we're very friendly and welcoming. Maybe my church is the odd one out, but not from what I've seen. My dad is a pastor, so my family gets to visit other churches when he is on vacation. They've always been extremely welcoming to us. While attending a university far away from home without many good churches around, I'm more convinced of how good and important good doctrine is. It does lead to impact, if people follow through. I have seen this happen in my home church and know it can happen. Sadlly, we often do not follow through. I agree that good theology without good works is useless! James said that. However, that doesn't mean we should compromise the theology-it means we should follow what we know to be true. I think that is the option for most if not all these-start following what you say. Hope this makes sense. Love and prayers brother!

Reformed presby here. Keep it up man. I’m in the PC USA too let’s work on it. I’m not giving up

Would be interested to see you rank the denominations of other Christian traditions as an outsider.

Bro absolutely annihilated the Only Perfect Church...

I am somewhat surprised the Cumberland Presbyterian Church was not on the list.

The southern accent kills me every time (as someone who is from Texas) 🤣

It’s tough to have PCUSA outside D tier. The state of the denomination is very rough. I understand and respect the utility of the institution. I suggest The Lord’s Service by Jeff Meyers on the topic of worship. CREC churches model a lot of worship off that book but the author is PCA. Youll be pleasantly surprised and challenged I think.

Thanks!

Would you consider making a video discussing the protagonists of New Atheism (Hitchens, Dawkins, Harris, etc)? I've listened to many of these men at length, and the more I do the more I'm disappointed anyone finds them convincing, even if they are extremely well-spoken and intelligent.

My father, for over a decade, worked as a United Methodist pastor in various Midwestern cities and towns. In the late 1970's, he was in a small Iowa city with five churches. The other four were, by denomination, Roman Catholic, Presbyterian, Congregationalist/ United Church of Christ, and Lutheran Church - Missouri Synod. Once a year, the pastors of all five churches, except the Lutheran Church - Missouri Synod, would take part in a joint service. My father asked the Lutheran minister why he wouldn't do it, and the response was, "Because it would show I agree with what you are doing."

I'm RPCNA and I didn't think he was going to mention it.

I know you know a lot more about Presbyterians, but it’d be awesome if you did this for all the denominations like Lutherans, Methodists, Congregationalists, etc. I am a Mainliner, but hearing you roast the ones that have gone WAY off the rails like the UCC would be great. 😂

The ECO congregation here in San Antonio has a beautiful 100 year-old gothic revival church and hosts 2 traditional + 2 modern services.

Oh this is interesting. Thanks.

Here in Brazil, the bigger presbyterian denomination IPB (Igreja Presbiteriana do Brasil/ Brazil Presbyterian Church) was founded by PCUSA missionaries but the IPB cut the connection when the PCUSA started ordering women as pastors and etc. The IPB still conservative, but every year some synod tries something like order women as deacon (I don't know the correct word for Diácono/Diaconós) but it never passes. About the traditionalism, like liturgy, pastores wearing robes, etc, it will depends on the region. For example, in the northeast region, it is kind hard to find a church following the liturgical calendar (advent, pentecost...) because of the heavy presence of the Catholic Roman Church so the protestant churches avoid to be like the roman church in many ways (much of them I disagree), including, when I started wearing a cross pendant some people told me that I looked like an Catholic Roman.

I think there should be a funny game sort of geoguesser-esque that has 3d models of buildings and you have to tell if they are office buildings or non-denom. churches with the crosses photoshopped out. (The names would also be photoshopped out)

I am surprised by how much you bring up Church architecture. My degree is in architecture, so I love it and I love good Church architecture that puts the worshipper in a proper emotional state (or at least tries to). That being said, I think there is a line of to be crossed when the building is so large, ornate, expensive that the attention doesn't go to Christ, it goes to the Church and how impressive it is. What kind of witness does it show the watching world that we empty our wallets to keep a building looking exceptional while people starve? Obviously there's balance, I think new churches should have some regard for design, but not so much that its distracting or takes my affections away from Jesus. Just a thought.

Please do Lutherans next 🙏🏼 ❤😅

Please do a Tier list of all the Major US denominations 🙏 Thanks

0:28 that plus I see denominations as just general ways of telling someone *most* of the overarching beliefs you hold. Yeah it can get confusing but overall I think it is a useful tool. Because not everyone agrees on these secondary issues.

Reformed Baptist here and no offense taken. Since we're at war we desperately need unity in the major stuff. We can have arguments over the sacraments later, after the rulers, authorities and powers of this dark world and the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms have been put under the feet of Christ. God bless you.

In my world (Lutheranism), the WELS is our OPC. They stick to themselves and don't even commune anyone unless they're a member of a WELS church or a denomination they're in fellowship with. And as for the OPC, the entire denominational membership is nearly equivalent to the membership of Joel Osteen's church!

Do Pentecostals next!

Can you do a video on your thoughts about the books of Enoch?

Nondenominational here! My church specifically is lead by four elders who all have equal say in decisions and are held accountable by our members. We're currently looking for a church building and we're underneath Acts 29, if you'd want to do a video on facts vs myths on evangelical/nondenominational Christians, (most of us see the terms as interchangeable,) that might help people understand the social confusion and where we went wrong.

I'm from Zambia and I'm a reformed Baptist. I just started watching your videos on Sunday and I love them. I hope you keep it up. I disagree on a lot of what you've said but perhaps I need some clarification. I hope this comment isn't premature because I haven't watched the whole video yet but I can always come back and edit. Do you believe that baptism saves? If so how do you confirm that with scripture? What do you think the role of the sacraments is for believers and non-believers? Could you add scripture to your view? I don't see how you'd rank your denomination higher than PCA because they're by far more sound.

Analysis on PCA churches is spot on. Started regularly attending one recently and the first thought I had was "wow, finally some real sermons". It does feel somewhat baptisty too. Right now loving it, and the sacraments thing didn't really jump out at me because I was raised in churches that had loose views of the sacraments.

Would love to see your take on other denominations! Even if it’s just your surface level knowledge

Obligatory comment from an OPC member. After watching your whole video and listening to your reasoning I have to say I think your ranking of the OPC in D tier is… Pretty fair. I think it deserves a C tier, but maybe that’s because I go to a larger OPC church that is pushing hard to have an impact in our community, but there are many OPC churches that are “theology in a white box.” If I’m not mistaken there have been some attempts to merge with other denominations over the years. The problem is that when you look at the scale of something as big as a whole denomination with as many rules as presbyterians have…it turn out splitting is a lot easier than unifying. I’m not saying it’s a bad thing, I’m just saying on an individual level it feels like there’s a lot less that can be done

Can you do this with all the Christian denominations?

Went to an OPC church. Yes the church was small and not alot of people there. Everyone was polite and i felt welcome. The pastor was great, im conservative and we agreed on almost everything so i was very glad to see this

Another point of interest in the OPC is that they hold to 3 offices (they seperate the office of preacher and ruling elder) instead of 2 like most other reformed groups.

Fun fact: there are almost as many Presbyterian denominations in Scotland as in the USA. Would be fun to add them to the tier list.

I am currently leaving ECO and coming into PCA. I had no idea that there were folks in the PCUSA like yourself. Very enlightening.

I'm part of a Baptist church that has a pretty low view of the sacraments (obviously). I hold a pretty high view of them. Based on your comment at 13:30, would you say that I am not actually receiving the body and blood of Christ since my church doesn't hold to that view?

CREC is a vast majority non-FV btw, from your friendly neighborhood CREC member. Jim Jordan and Peter Leithart are really the only FV guys left but even Jordan has softened. Another note of the CREC is that a lot of CREC churches came out of the PCA and SBC (and the remanets of ARBCA) because they wanted either more a more kuyperean or theonomic political/social stance and they wanted a higher sacramentology (most of the CREC where I live would be reformed anglican if they didn't reject episcopacy.)

PCA churches seem to be the most organized and well run, at least in Texas.

What are your thoughts on the RCA?

The best church coming from a baptist church was a OPC and it is still today the best church I have been to. They are very warm and welcoming.

heh RPCNA'er here- thx for the recognition! We are small, but we are here, and we are mighty! We are very much more conservative, and I do think that we go a little ham on the psalmody aspect (there are good hymns, and there are not as good hymns), but the sacraments are very important, and we are very nerdy. Come out and see us! Philly has two of our churches, so come visit! Also, singing without instruments, in my mind, is so much more than the praise bands and such- Choirs make it seem as if worship is for other people to do for you, and organs just overpower everything. Singing in 4-part harmony, is AWESOME, especially if you get a good presenter and like 3-5 people who can read music.

I forgot that there’s a distinction between Dutch Reformed and Presbyterian (I’m Dutch so I only know the former) and I was looking for the Dutch Reformed denoms to appear in the tier list but of course that would fall outside the scope of this video 🤦‍♂️

The OPC church local to me IS in fact an old historic brick building in the center of town. I know the pastor and I’ve watched a few services online and they seem wonderful! I go to a faithful reformed baptist church and I do not plan on leaving, but being Presbyterian in my views I consider that OPC church my “contingency church” lol.

Hello mate, would you be able to do a video on how to develop a closer relationship to the Lord? I read the bible and pray each day but haven’t felt that click of a relationship yet, and I want to have that but am unsure how I can develop it better.

As a member of a PCA church, what resources would you all point me to to learn more about sacramentalism?

*Cries in OPC 😭 what you say is pretty spot on. But it’s the only reformed church in my county

I am from Birmingham, Alabama where the PCA denomination was started. Sadly, Redeemed Zoomer is right it feels like the PCA is scared of the Baptists. There is a CREC church and a Reformed Anglican Church in town that I am thinking about joining.

What's the program you used to record your screen and face like that?

Church tour of your church!

Former PCA Minister here, for the past 11 years a PC(USA) minister. I quote that same passage from the Scots Confession that you do all the time. And you are 100% right about PCA’s low view of both Sacraments. That, and the fact that PCA went hard for contemporary worship, ultimately led to my journey into the PC(USA). Also the Church Year. 2nd Helvetic Confession highly commends the “great evangelical feasts.” PCA is anti-Church-Year.

Now to see where my church lands.

The PCA and PCUSA split in 1861. The PCA was more historically accurate but both children churches continued to drift towards pandering to modern ideals in feminism (not all of which is bad), abortion, gay ministers, and dis-usage of Psalms. The OPC was an attempt to go back (but not as far back as the RPCNA)

Not all usa presbys branched from/to PCUSA. Eg, Associate Reformed Presby has somehow managed to not split or join since arrival in North Am.

Shlohm alekhem! Do you know of any Presbyterian denominations or fellowships that believe in both, female ordination, & that it is possible to lose your salvation? Thank you.

13:38 1° Rule of Presbyterians: "You do not mess with the Scots Confession" 😂

I'd like to talk about how well the PCA once did a great job in bringing christ to Korea during the war. There are still Korean churches in my area from Presbytarian, Methodist & Baptists, in kentucky no less! It is remarkable frankly