I think this loopback test should be implemented built-in as a simple dedicated button in the DAW. The fact so many people don't know this is reason enough that a DAW maker should guide the user to make this adjustment as part of a midi track or audio setup. Make it as easy as possible next to the input and outputs of a track. Show the delay compensation number and allow the user to disable it if needed but make it standard. The DAW would just send a predetermined pulse to a known input and output then show a suggested delay compensation value. Place it next to the input and output of the track. No digging through menus. No setting up of separate tracks and no separate plugins. Just a dedicated button. You press it, the DAW asks what's your in and what's your out? Go

I must be crazy. I almost feel like I'm in the Twilight Zone. I expected the comments and views etc to be crazy high. After watching just two videos, you've covered excellent material, concisely. Presonus has long needed a tutorial series like this.

This needs to be in the manual. Thanks. This midi offset thing had me going crazy. My audio recording offset was spot on (or at least within 1 ms)

YOU SAVED ME FROM GOING CRAZY!!! I KNEW something was wrong with my recording input and this is EXACTLY what was wrong. Like x's 1000!!!

For anyone who references this video or similar by MH. I messed with these procedures today. I had a hard time getting the interface loop enabled but figured it out and set the Record Offset. On to the Midi Offset, it took me a head scratch or two but upon turning Input Quantize OFF I was able to successfully add a working Midi Offset. Just sharing, maybe save someone else a bit of time/ frustration.

studio one kicks ass. I'm coming from ableton after 10 years. Christ what took me 10 hours on ableton i can do in 3 hours on studio one. Although i dont think i would be able to appreciate this without trials and tribulations i experienced, Its absolutely phenomenal and Studio one is a product that is so good, I want to reach out and be friends with the product, I Want to thank everyone at Presonus for unlocking the potential via macros, automation, smart tool, Events, Like i just can't rave enough. Damn

Fo those of us trying to fing the "Signal Out", this is Gregor's reply to the question some 6 months ago...(Copied from the post) PreSonus Audio Electronics 6 months ago Hi Dave, "Signal Out" was just the name I chose for the available output on my interface. Just send the Mai Tai's output to the same one that you used to do the Audio loopback test. -GBY

Gregor - This playlist is awesome. Been using S1 for more than a year but I learnt so much in this series. I hope you can continue this trend with high quality videos covering various other topics in S1.

The amount I'm learning in these quick 5min videos is immense

Don't forget that if you change the device block size in Audio Setup > Audio Device this operation should be done again. But Studio one unlike other daws I used in the past, doesn't necessarily need to have its device block size to be tweaked depending on the session...

I finally have my groove back playing VST instruments. The MIDI always felt late. SOOO much better now. Thanks

Only watched the first few videos but already learning new things. You have a great way of explaing things Gregor! Thanks mate.

How to configure Record Offset saved my life!!! I love u Gregor!!!

I can't believe this never crossed my mind before - even though in the old early days with ADAT and such, we had some routines like this for quality control. Brilliant, Gregor (and Presonus).

I do like this video very much, I just wish you would have went over this entirely with your audio interface step by step, also what instrument you use on that loopback channel. Details like that were left out and for me it's to much info missing for me to completely understand and demo this work... Presonus should have had you to release this videos when 4.5 drop, that was another failure,not on your end but there's...

Can't believe I've never done this. Took 5 minutes from scratch and explains why my MIDI timing has always been slightly off...thanks!

A thousand likes for this Gregor. You just opened my eyes. I always thought that the midi quantize is a bit buggy in studio one as the notes would never fall in line even with Input Quantize activated. I did it by selecting all manually. Only now I know. Thanks a ton bro. Regards from India.

love your videos gregor, one thing maybe many guy´s dont know that, If you wanna zoom in, i point my mouse on the position where i wanna zoom in, then i press Ctrl and i scroll my mouse wheel. when i wanna zoom wider then i press ctrl and shift and i´m more quick , instead i´m using hotkeys, exact on the position where i pointing my mouse

The tab button to jump to the exact start of tone... brilliant! I wish I knew this method and tightening 'tricks' years ago using a tone! Thanks, Presonus! I read the link online to ensure I followed the verbal and written instructions, and that really helped!

Amazing... just a few quick tips on this after going through it: I would go in and manage your song inputs and outputs in Studio One on this test file to simplify your routing. There's a bunch of fluff in there. Also, be careful about feedback as I had auto-monitor on and accidentally blasted my ears w/ a feedback loop as I was getting things set up. Fantastic guide though! I can't believe this isn't more common knowledge in DAW setups!

Gregor why not post the complete "song file" with the entire setup you created for this beautifully made tutorial directly in the "Demos and Tutorials" tab available within the Studio One software? Also I was Initially viewing this tutorial within the Presonus website and I was so puzzled that there was no file, no link, no reference to it at all there. I decided to check KZfaq post and yes the link is here, but it is broken/incorrect.

Please PreSonus hire this guy, this is absolutly the next Generation for PreSonus, he have an awesome smile he love what he do, he appreciate PreSonus and he is smart a...uck (sorry for spelling this out ;)

Thank you so much for sharing this information. I have a song with these issues I transferred from my old Roland G-600 workstation and have been trying everything to correct the timing. I am going to apply this technique which I am sure will correct my timing issues. I will let you know how it goes.

Ive been recording for years and never knew that... thanks

Maybe important to mention, the offset can differ from interface to interface. So if you have more then one, you should do that for all of them.

I am having trouble routing the Map Tai output - in one of your comments you say - "Just send the Mai Tai's output to the same one that you used to do the Audio loopback test." Sorry if I'm being a bit dim but I can't grasp how to do this.

Just did this. It's magic!!! Thanks Gregor.

don't we have to setup the midi offset on each separate vst instrument track using the delay setting (because they all respond differently)?

Gregor these tutorials are so amazing!! I actually wonder why and how people haven't seen this! You have solved 99 problems i have had since i cant remember when I started recording music in just these few tutorials. Can you also cover mastering using the Project page in detail to get an amazing master please please please!!!

for the people here trying to download and get a loop back file to work.....all you have to do is print a click track from selection. turn on snap to grid make a one bar selection from say bar 2 to bar 3. You now have a test sound that you can use to calibrate the record offset in the daw.

this has been extemely helpful, as with all the tutorials for Studio One. you guys are great and thanks for all the knowledge of the program. i also love how you even plug Abelton lol

Thanks man, just to note if the sine sound is late just add a - for example mine is set at -294 samples to be perfect.

Either I'm doing something wrong or my RME Babyface does a great job and doesn't need record offset at all... (it's like... 3 samples?). Midi however had 9ms difference... glad I did this test, thanks Gregor!

So glad I chose Studio One 4.5 - this stuff is super helpful.

Anyone looking at this recently? I got the audio offset to work but I'm struggling with MIDI. The interface is different on Studio One 6, and the download file isn't set up the same as what is shown in the video either.

only episode 4 and already above my head

Thanks Gregor. Interesting! However, this did not work for me . I have a Volt 2, did the loop back . My reading as follows 88200 (Test) 88268 (Recording), So my recorded wave was later by -68 sample? Actually no! I thought I was going nuts, but the actual audio offset ended up as -114 samples and its now bang on. This exercise put me in the right direction, but I'm somewhat confused at the required offset. Also found the tab to transient feature was not working as should for me. I have to be honest I've stuck with S1 18 months now, but Im starting to tire of these constant issues. Its great having new features but lets get the core things sorted. If you use the car analogy. No one wants a vehicle that breaks down every 5 minutes, irrespective of its billed features.

I've been messing around trying to get the IO to work so it will actually play back when I loop it from either of the back outputs to either of the inputs on the front of the 24C. I get no input sound looping back though. Using a standard 1/4 inch jack and all i get is static at a very high level. No wav playback even though I can hear it through the headphone output just fine.

You can use the ping pipeline to get your loop time.

I'm curious. You're supposed to do this measurement with the low latency monitoring on, right? Because if you don't, and have a high drop out protection set it will be a very long offset due to the large buffer.

Gregor, or anyone, can this be done with a Presonus audiobox itwo audio interface? There is not an audio out on the itwo, only a headphone jack. I have tried using the headphone jack with no success. Wanting to see if it is possible. Thanks.

I can understand if there was a delay between the original and the recorded sound, but how does channel 2 record asignal BEFORE channel one is playing that signal? I'm guessing you altered the settings for demo purposes? Would have made more sense if the recorded signal came after the original. Also I'm new at this so I might just be completely off base.

Thank you for this video. Can this test be done on a Audiobox 22VSL using the main output as there are no other available outputs?

Wow....with an ioStation I had to place a negative offset of 46 ( -46 ). That's wicked fast magic dust in that interface that one must compensate backwards for audio latency. That's with the device block size set at 64 samples, and dropout protection set to medium.

Man... Gregor why don't the record offset settings we make stay consistent??? It seems to work whenever the hell it wants! It's so random. One moment the MIDI/Audio offset is spot on then when you try it again it's way off!! The damn settings just don't stay the same!!! 😡😡😡 You open up a new session you right back to square one!! PRESONUS YALL NEED TO FIX THIS SHIT ASAP!! 💯 (The next update) PLEASE!!! 🙏🏽

When I try to record, I get no audio for the the loop back and I have made sure to follow the written steps. Can someone help?

i don't have the signal in. Its set to eingang 1, which doesn't work and i can't route the midi track to the loopback track. Any fix?

Hi Gregor, Thanks for the adjustment advice. I have a question... if you change anything within the daw, eg. recording sample rate, sample size block, does this setting effect the recording delay/offset.

As Episode 4 presuming the anticipated audience is beginners then, for me (a beginner) it wasn't straightforward enough to load the files and just go. I rewound the video at least ten times to try to see what I was doing wrong. I still can't see how to record the Mai Tai AND the Loopback at the same time....

Very interesting - but how is it possible that the recorded signal ist earlier in the the timeline than the playback???

Sadly this file will not open for me. says that there are items missing

Gregor roll out a payment platform and you got my business. These are some of the best vids about Presonus any one has ever covered

I'm an audio dealer, and I'm still trying to figure out the benefit of all of this when you could just use software that doesn't have latency issues. I'd love to sell pre sonus gear because it's supposed to be so user-friendly, but I don't even know where to start it seems so counterintuitive

Hi. What if my loopback wave starts AFTER the test sine?

you're a lifesaver gregor, you're the man

holy I didnt know this, thank you very much!

Well...I can get the audio round trip perfect tight,while midi recording is still jittering around 2ms,cause midi offset is base on miliseconds,not samples!! maybe the time is spent on doing the fancy high resolution midi stuff...Reaper can handle the midi recording pretty well,like 10-20 samples around,super tight! I dont konw why can't S1 figure out this shit...

Hi Gregor, The loop test was great but for some reason the sign wave is inverted. I am using a Presonus FireBox. I added a Mix tool effect and inverted the phase so looks good, but.... can you explain this?

Midi section doesn't work for me. Your example song has one input called Eingang 1, no output called Signal Out. I created these two as mono inputs in and out and configured it like you did above but I can't get the loopback track to record the audio from the midi track.

Loopback Test (Audio) Download the Loopback test file here (can’t put link in here you can find it on the presonus.com site under the descriptions for this tutorial). Take a cable and connect a free output on your Audio Interface to a free input. Make sure you add this input and output in your Audio I/O Setup as well (found in the menu Song -> Song Setup). Open up the Track Inspector (F4 key) and select Track 1 (“Test Sine”). Assign the Interface output you’ve connected with the cable as the Channel Output. Select Track 2 (“Loopback”) and assign the Interface input you’ve connected with the jack as the Channel Input. Ensure that monitoring (the blue speaker symbol) is off on both channels and enable recording (the red button next to monitoring) for Track 2 (“Loopback”). Start recording by clicking the Record Button in the Transport Bar. Set your Transport Bar’s timeline from bars to samples (with right click) and measure the difference between the first Transient on Track 1 and Track 2 by using the tab key. Go to Studio One -> Preferences -> Advanced -> Audio and enter the difference amount in the Record Offset field. IMPORTANT: Unlike in most DAWs, you only have to do this test once in Studio One, because you should never need to adjust your Audio Device block size. You only increase your Dropout Protection block size if the CPU runs out of power, which doesn’t affect the Record Offset.

Here are detailed instructions for setting up Duet from Admin (Apogee Electronics) Dec 30, 3:28 PM PST Hi, Make sure Duet isn't connected to speakers and then if you follow these steps in order, it should work: 1. Connect Duet and launch Apogee Maestro. 2. In Apogee Maestro's 'Output' tab, click the dropdown menu by the main output level knob (speaker icon) and select 'Output 3-4' or 'Line 3-4' (I can't remember what it's called). 3. Turn the main output up all the way to 0. 4. In Maestro's 'Input' tab, set the Analog Level of input 1 to 'Mic' and turn the gain down to 0. 5. Connect a balanced TRS 1/4" to Male XLR cable from the Left output connect of your Duet's breakout cable to the XLR connector of Input 1 on the breakout cable. 6. Set the 1st track in Studio One (the one with the pulse already on it) so it's output is going to 'Output 3' or 'Line 3' (whatever it's called). If it's a stereo track, set it to 'Output 3-4' and then just hard-pan it all the way left. 7. Set the 2nd track in Studio One (the one you're going to re-record the pulse) to Input 1 (or 'Mic 1'- whatever it's called). Make sure it's output is either going nowhere or at least NOT going to Output 3-4. 8. Loop the section of the session that has the pulse and look at the meters on Duet- the meter for Input 1 should be showing a similar level as the meter for Output 3. If it's considerably lower in level, then go to the Output tab in Maestro and double-check that you turned up the main output all the way to 0. If it's still too low, go to the Input tab and gradually raise the gain for Input 1 until the level matches that of Output 3. 9. Once your levels are close, record the pulse onto the new track and then compare to the original pulse on track 1. Best Regards, Team Apogee Support

Dude, thanks so much for making these! Also I love your accent :-) “ infinitely better… Well 10 seconds ... whatever” 😂

My MIDI offset turned out to be 6.5ms which is impossible to set, had to set either 6ms or 7ms. Could not upvote this video second time, thanks!

I give up. I cannot make a loopback test with AudioBox USB 96. I don't have Line Out like in the video, so I tried different options Main Out L -> Input 1; Headphones -> Input 1 with different knobs configurations. I'm scared of damaging a device because when I plugged it for a second I saw that there are a lot of noisy distortions (Clip diode just horribly blinking). I tried to find any information how to setup this loopback test with USB 96, but I didn't find. If you know how to do it properly, help please.

Damn...your like the Studio One Jesus or something , you have all the answers to Studio One life.

What about those of us who don’t record audio, don’t use an interface, and work strictly with VST’s? Why should we have to record an audio track to determine an offset for something we’re never going to use just to get the metronome to sync properly? I didn’t have to do this in any of my other DAW’s I use. I record strictly midi, and even if my timing is almost spot on, the midi data recorded always shows each note recorded way ahead of where it should be, and upon playback the midi doesn’t sync (audibly) as it was recorded with the metronome. My latency is fine for real-time play of my VST’s.., no issues there. Everything gets thrown out of sync when recording with the metronome or even a self generated midi click track.

Hi Gregor, what should you do if the recorded midi notes are hovering around the note? Like sometimes 4 ms late, sometimes 2 ms early, and everything in between?

Help! Please, my MIDI loopback is all over the place... of 4 hits first is 1ms difference the second 3ms the 3th 2ms the 4th 4ms...dunno what to put in my settings

At last I can sync with the Metronome. I was 25ms ahead when using midi. Thanks...I can stop beating myself up now!

When I download the test a window appears saying: 1 File is missing. The Test Sine track's file is not found, is empty.

I'm pulling my hair out trying to figure out how to get loop back test done. I can get file on my computer but Studio One won't import it. I asked for an explanation 6 days ago and no one has responded.

Help I'm using the PreSonus Audiobox USB96. I'm trying to figure out how to hook it up to do the loop back test. Please advise!

Hi Greg! I have 2 tracks, both audio tracks. One for my guitar from audio interface and one from usb microphone. There is a milliseconds different in wave signal with both tracks. Surely i can align this after recording but how to fix this before recording? Please help.. Thanks!

This knowledge is crazy good

Hey Gregor - great video and tutorial! is there a way in studio one (version 5) to add an input delay/latency on just one channel at a time? for example if i want to record a stereo guitar track and i want to get the dirty sound of an amp with line out and i want to blend that with just a dry instrument signal from a hi-z input on my interface, can i configure this manual latency for just one channel at a time? or is it only applicable to your entire studio one environment as a whole?

wow! That was so useful ! Thank you! never looked from that point of view....

I need a more detailed explanation on this procedure for record offset

my god..thank u so much from this tip.. so well explained and this i have been strugling for ages.. thank u!!!

Hi everyone, I'm lost, . I have the Studio One 6.5 (the interface is diffrent) and my audio card is a Steinberg UR824. I try few time but each time i have a feedback in the speakers. I'm not sure where I miss something. It

You forgot to explain how to hook that up and how to route it

Ok. This needs to be done, in both of my DAWs!!!

I just did loop back test last night. Was wondering why all my bass guitar tracks felt off time with the kick. -570 samples off @256 block size

Any idea what to look at, if I constantly get different values for the midi offset? As an example, I have my Yamaha P-115 connected via USB to my Laptop. I've setup the loop as per the video. First time I record a midi note, I have an offset of let's say 10ms, so I enter that to compensate. I test that and now I have an offset of 3ms. So I adjust again, test again and I get some other value, let's say 4ms. Works perfectly for audio recording, but I can't get it to align for midi :-/

Can anyone help me? I can't find a way to do this, in my Audio set up the Output doesn't get the dot to mark it is being 'used'. It seems like my Output doesn't get used while the Input is, I don't know what I am doing wrong :(

I did this but I have one concern with my implementation. In Gregor's example, the loopback and test wave are pretty much identical, just shifted. When I did this test, the very first peak of my loopback wave has a slightly smaller amplitude than the second peak. Any ideas why? Also, when doing the midi part, why doesn't the test wave show up in the loopback. I noticed that that track isn't muted so wouldn't it still be fed into the loopback?

I have an issue. My external midi instrument is recoding back in in time now using the above principal. but now my audio loop back is out of time. To explaiin. When sending midi to my external hardware synth and recording the audio back in the offset needed is 875 samples. When sending an audio file out to analogue gear and recording back in again the offset required is 0 samples ... Im really confused ....

Steinberg UR22 mkII: -103 samples offset

Performed this recording loopback test with my tascam model 12 in audio interface mode and measured the latency at about 1300 samples. Entering this value in the Record Offset field and trying the test again doesn't seem to change anything.

I feel I must join in the praise for this series of videos. Excellent content, smooth, clear delivery and an extraordinary ability to make the challenge of learning such complex software a lot easier. But I downloaded the loopback test file and was told it was incompatible with my version of Studio One because it was created with Studio One 4. Mine is 3.5. Is there any chance of your providing a similar file that I can use to clean up my timing issues? Many thanks and please, please keep those videos coming. Brilliant!

Sounds great. Just one problem........... I don't have an interface. I use the mic and line in jacks built-in to my PC. So what is MY solution?

Yo Gregor i have a question.... I just bought the NEW PreSonus Quantum HD8. Is it still necessary to do this loopback procedure on this interface since it already has low latency drivers??

0.000 ms isn't fine enough! I'm about 10 samples off from 37 ms, but I can't adjust it any closer.

These videos are awesome. I can't seem to be able to record the Midi while recoding the Loopback track as you do. I am using Presonus AudioBox iTwo. I am not sure if this has anything to do with it. Thank you

I just received Studio one yesterday and recorded my first guitar track. What a great piece of software. I cannot, not matter what I do get the isolation 24c to do this test. I get no input to the track. I hear the output of the signal, have my input volumes and output volumes up fairly high but nothing. I have the output jack connected to the input jack. Any advise would be appreciated.

Hi Excellent tutorials Gregor re : PreSonus Studio One Tutorials Ep. 4: Loopback Test and Record Offset. Downloaded file but routing refers to other devices. Could you advise on routing of cable to this audio device. currently using Mackie Pro FX v2, but have ordered PreSonus Studio 24c 2x2, 192 kHz, USB-C Audio Interface. Thanks again Gregor

This is really helpful. Thanks for putting this out.

Can this be done with any audio interface? Maybe I'm doing something wrong, I have an Audient ID14 :'(

What do you mean by "top Key"? This episode should come after you learn how to record. This was to difficult for me and I still haven't made the lag adjustment.

can someone explain the practical application routing your signal out and back in?

???? WOW ! I know a lot More than I did Before ! My Results=88200 Vs. 88195 = 0.00005 (5 Samples) Question WHERE did the Number "88200" Come FROM ???? Hunch came from my # of samples I set setting up MY 1824C ?? or is it a standard . . .????? Thanks Gregor !