Presumed Innocent Episode 6 Recap / Review & Theories

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Presumed Innocent Episode 6 Recap / Review & Theories | Raymond!!

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Dan Jules & Bag Face break down Episodes 6 of Apple TV's Presumed Innocent called "The Elements". How are you enjoying this show? Do you have any theories? Drop them below to be featured in future videos.
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@tyizzle80 Ай бұрын

Tommy is our Cristin Cole of Presummed Innocent.

@sceneinvaders Ай бұрын

😂 😂 😂 great call

@saltus3367 Ай бұрын

Fun fact: Bill Camp's wife in real life is the actress who plays Lorraine!

@clayshrader9477 Ай бұрын

Everybody loves Raymond! I hope he didn't die

@sceneinvaders Ай бұрын

Sammmme

@sashii13 Ай бұрын

I really hope Raymond makes it!

@sceneinvaders Ай бұрын

Meeee too ❤️

@mariasolis1545 Ай бұрын

Maybe it was Raymond’s wife🤣protecting her friend?

@drekezit55 Ай бұрын

This is a very good hypothesis from the start, but not to protect her friend, to protect her couple. Her husband's illness could destabilize her.

@tyizzle80 Ай бұрын

I'm starting to believe it was 2 people involved now .Its feeling LIKE Barbera and one of those kids did it. Im thinking one of the kids did the dirt, called Barbera, and she helped clean It up. I love how every episode my killers changes. If I had to pick which kid I would say the boy. Barbera scrubbing his bike like she got OCD was just hella sus to me. At first I thought she was doing it just because she knew he was there ,now I think it's deeper than thT. Her arse could of even been on the bike her self😂 !it's almost as if she accidentally framed her husband so e kind of way if that's possible.

@sceneinvaders Ай бұрын

Love this theory 👀

@miiiiiiilk Ай бұрын

Ok hear me out. I was rewatching episode one and when the son came home around the 10 min mark and asked his dad why he was home, Rusty answered: "I went to Carolyn's memorial." and the son walked away sooooo awkwardly without saying a word. Then Rusty said: "Come on, show me a curveball". I mean how genius would it be if the son ended up accidentally killing her and Barb covered it up and that that is the actual "curveball" to the plot!

@miiiiiiilk Ай бұрын

There is more! When Barb and Rusty confronted Kyle about riding by her house, Kyle said he wanted to talk to mom about it. Also the scene where he is at the psychologist when she asked what he felt about seeing his dad enter Carolyn's house and he said "Worse things have happened since he went inside her house". 👀 Pair this with the bike scrubbing and BOOM that's a solid theory. I can see Rusty finding out at some point and he takes the plea deal of manslaughter and will go to prison for 8 years to protect his son.

@TheSportsandFilmFellowship Ай бұрын

Don’t take my theory 😂😂 I been saying that since episode 1

@TheSportsandFilmFellowship Ай бұрын

@@miiiiiiilkthis has been my theory since episode 1

@anaka8285 Ай бұрын

I can’t stand Rusty. He’s a narcissist and doesn’t really care about his wife and by extension, his family. He was willing to lose it all for Carolyn. I’m enraged when I see scenes between Barb and Rusty because she’s so calm all the time. It gives me a weird vibe but also where is the rage about your husband destroying his family? They will NEVER come back from this situation. Even if he gets acquitted, people will always look at him (and them) sideways because many will still believe that he was involved. The whole situation just looks really bad. I thought that the question from Rusty about why she stays and she said the same reason why you stay. Like 🧐 huh. I’m still trying to figure out what that’s about 🤨

@sceneinvaders Ай бұрын

All valid points, along with this Rusty has an anger problem. It could definitely be him who did it but I still don't think so at this point.

@TheSportsandFilmFellowship Ай бұрын

It’s the reason for staying is for the kids. That’s why they both stay. That what happens in marriage most of the time

@donnasonnenfeld3078 Ай бұрын

What if the mystery carpet fibers are from the scratching post of Tommy's cat? Great review, guys! 👍🏻

@sceneinvaders Ай бұрын

@@donnasonnenfeld3078 awesome theory! And thank you very much 🙏

@DisappearingBoy2010 Ай бұрын

My theory: You ready for this? Mya did it. I predict we will find out some dark past where she is behind all of this and has some yet-to-be-known vendetta against Rusty. Likely Rusty prosecuted someone she was close to and now she wants revenge. She poisoned Raymond because she realized he was going to win and this way she can take over the defense and undermine it, making sure Rusty gets convicted. I think she also has some arrangement with the bartender and is pulling all the strings with getting him to make moves on Barbara to ruin her and Rusty's relationship.

@sceneinvaders Ай бұрын

Wowwww I LOVE this theory!!

@Jairogliphx Ай бұрын

But Raymond had successful surgery doctors or medical staff found no poison

@iamjro Ай бұрын

I want it to be Tommy because I can’t stand him but it feels too easy. The way they’re steering us to him, I just don’t see it being him. It was probably the kids lol

@loladiaz3534 Ай бұрын

What was Rusty putting in his car glove compartment ?

@theteavtherapist Ай бұрын

11:08 I’m not familiar with cat towers but there is rope missing from one of the towers and it looks the same rope at Caroline’s crime scene. 😳😳😳

@sceneinvaders Ай бұрын

@@theteavtherapist definitely highlighting this comment tomorrow when we record

@theteavtherapist Ай бұрын

Thanks!!!

@Jay-e4g Ай бұрын

If the Kyle-Barbara-did-it theory gets shot down, then I also like the Tommy-did-it puts. He’s a perfect villain, odd, lecherous, sometimes creepy and nobody likes him but he’s a sneaky good prosecutor working with a bag-of-worms case. Raymond hates and demeans him but Tommy has unleashed a very strong vendetta-ish case against Rusty and it has the defense in a baseball-ly pickle. The demise of Raymond was foreshadowed by his misplaced superiority, the loss of his job, a burp-fart, exploding head and his view of himself as decomposing rot, plus his inability to manage Rusty’s out of control death spiral. Rusty is a good prosecutor but he and Mya aren’t on the same page and she’s no match for Tommy alone. If Tommy did it, he wants Rusty in jail and he’ll gloss over exculpatory evidence (Carolyn hit job by Bunny’s jailed killer; Kyle at scene; bike w/Carolyn DNA?) unless Mya stops him.

@Jay-e4g Ай бұрын

More on how and why Tommy did it and how Rusty can have his revenge. In E6, when Raymond casts sufficient doubt on Rusty’s DNA under Carolyn’s fingernails as just as likely there from a kiss, as well as the absence of a murder weapon, this prompts the judge to offer a plea deal. Absent Raymond (stroke), Mya can now put Rusty on the stand since he knows both Tommy and Carolyn. Rusty can testify to Tommy’s motive and demeanor by being Carolyn’s voice. He can testify that Tommy saw Carolyn as a beautiful conniver and career-climber willing to use her sexual allure for professional gain; that Carolyn sidestepped Tommy, her senior, to work directly with Rusty not for career gain but for protection; that she asked Tommy if he was stalking her and he didn’t deny it; that Tommy became intensely jealous of Rusty’s relationship with Carolyn and lusted for her. Mya can explore Eugenia’s Ick bomb to show Carolyn was openly afraid of Tommy and point to Michael’s video/pix showing Carolyn dispatching Rusty with a kiss, then peering out her windows in fear that Tommy might be creeping around her bushes watching her the night Carolyn was killed putting Tommy at the scene and that his love/hate feelings for Carolyn ultimately caused him to become unhinged resulting in her gruesome murder. Add his loss of credibility with the jury and his prior knowledge of the Bunny Davis crime scene and bindings, Mya can slap a search warrant on Tommy to search for the murder weapon at his home and if they find evidence, have Tommy arrested for the murder of Carolyn Polhemus.

@po3442 Ай бұрын

great analysis guys! came across your channel for the first time...much love

@sceneinvaders Ай бұрын

Thanks so much! Glad you found us 🙏🙏

@saltus3367 Ай бұрын

It was Eugenia! Carolyn is bi-sexual and had an on-off affair with Eugenia around the same time.

@sceneinvaders Ай бұрын

@@saltus3367 spicy theory 🌶️

@TheSportsandFilmFellowship Ай бұрын

I would love my shirt when my theory of the wife and/or son comes true 😂

@sceneinvaders Ай бұрын

😂 😂 we'll see 🤷‍♂️

@TheSportsandFilmFellowship Ай бұрын

After rewatching the episode I realized that this show is eerily similar to THE NIGHT OF from HBO, which Bill Camp also starred in. The Night Of is television GOLD

@Jay-e4g Ай бұрын

Det. Box, a “subtle beast”, Bill Camp’s masterpiece role😊

@Lilianamarie999 Ай бұрын

I hate the idea Barbara sticking around for the kids. They're old enough and their father is on trial for murdering his pregnant girlfriend. Happy times are over. I'd rather believe Barbara is involved and decided this was the best strategy. Especially if Rusty figures something out. Marital privilege and/or he'll default to protecting her out of guilt. If Rusty is convicted, she can also expedite the divorce.

@Freshcornpop Ай бұрын

Is it me or does Micheal happen to look alot like tommy

@sceneinvaders Ай бұрын

He kinda does 👀

@Jay-e4g Ай бұрын

😂😂

@trentbrigdon5601 Ай бұрын

I think it’s one of the kids or maybe both. Jaden wanting to go to the court seems fishy, but perhaps it’s just to support her dad. Also, the way she talks about an out-of-body experience, maybe she is talking about herself having it. I think her brother found out told Jaden, and both of them went there and confronted her; and Jaden killed her, and Kyle called his mom, freaking out.

@sceneinvaders Ай бұрын

Great theory!

@LeslieJones-hl4jc Ай бұрын

@@trentbrigdon5601 I just don’t see those teens pulling off the way she was tied up. That’s an actual skill, also there being no evidence left behind points to someone with experience or with maturity at the very least.

@kenarata1751 Ай бұрын

It’s the daughter!! That scene with her father outside on the porch and the conversation she started referring to what she learned in her psych class about “Derealization/Depersonalization” and about how it’s a mental state where you feel or become detached from reality due to a defense mechanism that your brain uses in moments of strong trauma or panic….she asked her father about that in particular. At first I thought it was Tommy (I still believe he is the one harassing her at work & perhaps he was there the night she died, but he didn’t kill her). It’s the daughter or her father, Rusty since she asked him if he ever felt that? Maybe she witnessed it? Regardless it appears to be just an “ordinary scenes” in a dramatic episode. There’s reasons for everything & David Kelly is a master of his craft! Tommy is not innocent. He definitely harassed her at the workplace. Guilty of murder. Too easy for David Kelly. It was the daughter & but she got scared and called her Dad afterwards. Rusty did the cleanup. He knew the previous murder case, he saw the pics, the special knots. He had access and knew the cops would look at the previous defendant for a revenge killing. If Rusty did it on his own….it was because of the baby & perhaps because Caroline didn’t want to play house with him even as a result….that’s my take on it at the moment….

@sceneinvaders Ай бұрын

Awesome theory!!

@jamiemichelle33 Ай бұрын

Definitely think it’s the daughter. That scene about disassociating discreetly shows what I think is a flashback where rusty and Jaden are looking at something teary eyed. Also the scene where he has a dream about being in Caroline’s apartment shows a female pick up the fire poker. I think his daughter was there before he even showed up at Caroline’s apartment that night.

@kenarata1751 Ай бұрын

@@jamiemichelle33 yes! 🙌 I think we’re on this! I always cling to the notion that everything has its purpose!

@kenarata1751 Ай бұрын

Did you see the last episode?!?

@artisticjiu-jitzu5815 Ай бұрын

hey guys! just subbed and most definitely smashed that 'like' button!! I enjoy your recaps and reviews. Here is my theory: Tommy DID NOT kill Caroline. I think he is the 'lookie-lou'. at this point, to show him as the actual murderer is way too obvious, there's no shock or surprise in the reveal. I think rusty's son did it, and that his mom covered it up. just as she was seen SCRUBBING his bicycle for fear that it would be used to implicate him, I think she SCRUBBED the ropes that were used to tie up Caroline. Wasn't it the forensic guy who said that there was nothing on the ropes, they had been scrubbed of any and all DNA evidence?

@sceneinvaders Ай бұрын

@@artisticjiu-jitzu5815 first off thanks so much! Glad you found us. Awesome comment we will read it tonight & credit you when we record the Theory video.

@elaborateruse Ай бұрын

KITTY! Huge props Bag for featuring the star of the show.. his cat o' cuteness!

@sceneinvaders Ай бұрын

lol I'm so mad I didn't even realize until I watched the video. So glad he's back 🐱

@elaborateruse Ай бұрын

@@sceneinvaders last week’s Presumed Innocent (ep5) SI video comments section: you guys said “we will have Bag’s cat in the next video” AND Y’ALL DELIVERED. Anyone reading this: this channel is both pro-pet and comes through on promises. Let’s gooooo

@TeamSqueeKi Ай бұрын

Delay was involved SOMEHOW. I’m gonna die on this hill. The more he and Tommy butt heads, the more convinced I am; he’s the kinda dude that needs to control every detail and Tommy going rogue would 100% piss him off. That said, Michael’s testimony brought me back to my OG theory that he killed his mom and someone else staged it to look like Bunny’s murder. I just don’t know who would be close enough to him and the case to mimic that initial crime scene - unless Delay has also been manipulating him in some way. Again, DYING ON THE DELAY HILL. That guy just seems like he’s gotta be up in everybody’s business. Kinda like a gossipy coworker but more murdery. ETA: the title of this show is beyond misleading, because rn everybody’s looking guilty! Except Baghead’s kitty; I will always presume his innocence.

@sceneinvaders Ай бұрын

We will talk about this theory Friday! Thanks! And if you want the shirt for 50% off DM me on Twitter or Instagram @SceneInvaders 😃

@macoye546 Ай бұрын

You guys are very invested in Rusty's innocence, it's possible that he did it and you will feel bad in the end for hating Tommy 😀

@paychexx Ай бұрын

It the daughter and Rusty. But I wonder why clicked in Raymond brain as he was talking, to make him have the heart attack? It like he miss something.

@ladystarfall1539 Ай бұрын

The kid did it!!

@PL876 Ай бұрын

As i said on last weeks breakdown... TOMMY is a Problem. No one has brought up that when he was looking through the pictures,he lingered on the picture with Caroline half naked with a big T-shirt on...he was obsessed with her too. They find out he was reported to HR by Caroline. Clearly Tommy was the one she was afraid of.

@sceneinvaders Ай бұрын

@@PL876 1000% agree with this

@visualoo1918 Ай бұрын

I do have questions about all the kids actually. Her son says “the life she preferred I NOT be apart of”… not the life she preferred without him, which I would think a child left behind would say; what he says makes it sound like a very analytical choice by Carolyn. Then, I still question Rusty’s kids..both of them, honestly. The way they talk to those kids makes it seem like many things aren’t hidden from them, and that also people are getting in fights and people hear it throughout the house. So, they’re all on my list.

@sceneinvaders Ай бұрын

All solid possibilities

@TheSportsandFilmFellowship Ай бұрын

Crazy episode!!! Crazy !! Maybe he fainted and had a heart attack because all that pressure got to him. I still think Raymond is dead. But I still think Tommy or the wife and the son did it. If you see the synopsis for the next episode it says Rusty has to change his strategy so I don’t think Raymond will be back regardless

@mariasolis1545 Ай бұрын

Raymond can not die!

@loladiaz3534 Ай бұрын

People think that the murder weapon is in Barbara’s studio. Wouldn’t the police search there too?

@sceneinvaders Ай бұрын

You would think so 💭- we'll talk about this in the theory video. Thanks!

@mariasolis1545 Ай бұрын

Why are they after Rusty?

@bradhartsell5608 Ай бұрын

I think Tommy faked the 2nd DNa sample in the old case with bunny to blow her case up and make her look bad. When Carolyn ignored it & did not report it to the defense, Tommy got really angry at Carolyn and killed her and framed Rusty after he knew Delay was going to be the new DA and he could begin his career by taking down everyone’s favorite prosecutor, Rusty. This would explain why (1) he isn’t looking into the old case at all (2) why Rusty can’t make anything stick from this case…bc the 2nd evidence was faked, (3) Tommy has a way to get the medical examiner to manufacture evidence for him. I don’t know how this is going to get exposed however. (4) Why Delay from the beginning has been confused why Tommy won’t just follow the facts. (5) why Tommy obsessively watched the teen aged son’s videos to see if he was seen on them. (6) Why Carolyn didn’t struggle. She knew her killer and it was a surprise.

@sceneinvaders Ай бұрын

Awesome comment 🔥

@Jairogliphx Ай бұрын

But Carolyn would have struggled and fought against someone who made her extremely uncomfortable

@Mamajoanie123 Ай бұрын

I I think Kyle killed Caroline., and then his mother, Barbara came back to clean the mess up! She took the murder weapon, the poker, and hid it in her art studio!

@sceneinvaders Ай бұрын

Solid theory!!

@Ets638 Ай бұрын

It’s barb,she did it. She knew how the other women had been tied up from her husband. That type of info was never released to the public. I also think the DA also had a relationship with Carolyn. Rusty will get off. Will barb be found out? We the audience will know, but don’t know if she’ll be held accountable. Rusty’s punishment will be he’ll know and he’ll continue to live with barb but he’ll not turn her in. Their punishment together will be the knowledge of barbs guilt and will spend their lives knowing.

@loladiaz3534 Ай бұрын

I can’t believe Rusty got mad w Barbara because she had a kiss w the hot bartender. Pleassseeeeeeee

@sceneinvaders Ай бұрын

Seriously wtf was that!

@bradhartsell5608 Ай бұрын

I also think Raymond dying or being out of commission, & sets it up to where Rusty has to defend himself and will allow him to have a deeper look into his file in which he will discover the connection between the old bunny case and this case. Raymond always said…”the bunny case is not our case”.

@sceneinvaders Ай бұрын

Drop those theories to be featured in our next Presumed Innocent video!! We are recording on Friday night 🙌🙌🙌

@yoel9763 Ай бұрын

His wife has the most motive to kill her husband lover! I think she did it but why was her kid there ??

@blithecopland173 Ай бұрын

Babara is being truth, It's indeed difficult for her to be even herself in the court

@sceneinvaders Ай бұрын

@@blithecopland173 valid point

@matthewJay88 Ай бұрын

I will retroactively accept my shirt when Raymond is found to be the killer.

@sceneinvaders Ай бұрын

😂 😂 deal if you're right I'll send you one on me - Dan

@ryandavis8897 Ай бұрын

Just saw this show is renewed for a 2nd season. Does that mean this first season won't cover the entire movie? Or they will make next season their own story?

@sceneinvaders Ай бұрын

Next season is going to be a completely new case, so they will wrap this story up for sure

@paychexx Ай бұрын

What if it wasn't Carolyn that told him to come over? And this is why Jaden brings up the memory thing.

@sceneinvaders Ай бұрын

Ohhhh I LOVE this

@EBlueCEO Ай бұрын

Tommy did it.

@sceneinvaders Ай бұрын

Can't argue that

@Jay-e4g Ай бұрын

Very cool!!! Thank you😎

@sceneinvaders Ай бұрын

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@Jay-e4g Ай бұрын

@@sceneinvaders Not on twitter/X/instagram. Please donate it. Love your show. Can I still play?

@lilydavis9145 Ай бұрын

What if it was that Colleague who testified and found out Rusty hooking up with Carolyn?

@sceneinvaders Ай бұрын

Spicy I love it! Could be 💭

@LarisaBayaMomo Ай бұрын

I just watched ep 1 and Jake is giving me major creeper vibes 😅

@sceneinvaders Ай бұрын

Ohhhh boy, are you going to binge now?

@LarisaBayaMomo Ай бұрын

@@sceneinvadersfor sure I will

@sceneinvaders Ай бұрын

@@LarisaBayaMomo good ✅

@davidbonner9011 Ай бұрын

Its the kids

@iamjro Ай бұрын

Usually, a male dominated podcast tends to cut the women off but this one was the total opposite

@sceneinvaders Ай бұрын

We love Jules and she is a huge part of our team so of course she gets to say her piece

@SceneInvadersJules Ай бұрын

Is this an insult or a compliment?? lol

@Trollberg Ай бұрын

she had a lesbian affair and the killer is a woman

@TheSportsandFilmFellowship Ай бұрын

Maybe Tommy killed both and tied them up. Bunny and Carolyn. He might be a serial killer but I’m still sticking with my theory

@saychicity5409 Ай бұрын

Barb is suspect to me, especially telling Rusty about the kiss which was not needed at that time at all. She came off as vengeful and vindictive, she only had the affair to get back at Rusty which she may have done with his Mistress..

@loladiaz3534 Ай бұрын

Rusty killed Carolyn and Nico or Tommy did the tying up

@sceneinvaders Ай бұрын

Ohhhhh wow 👀

@amg9082 Ай бұрын

I hate Rustys wife. She's so calculated and cold. No normal woman would act like this during their husband's trial. Nobody cares you kissed a bartender. Why are you still with Rusty after EVERYTHING HE PUT YOU THROUGH? she's there for herself. Nothing else.

@sceneinvaders Ай бұрын

Interesting! Do you think she had a part to play in the murder?