Primates and Prejudice: with Dr. Frans de Waal

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Primates and Prejudice: with Dr. Frans de Waal

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Frans de Waal is a world-reknowned primatologist, author, and educator with decades studying the animal kingdom. He joins Seth Andrews for insights about primate behavior in chimps, gorillas, bonobos, humans, and beyond.
Frans de Waal info: bit.ly/3IIArQw

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@rhondah1587 Жыл бұрын

Thank you Seth for hosting Frans deWaal. Love that man’s work very much. ❤

@uncleanunicorn4571 Жыл бұрын

world class primatologist, a coup for Seth getting him on

@conops66 Жыл бұрын

de Waal is such a brilliant scientist, and his work is so important for our understanding of ourselves. His research needs to be taught in every school...

@betzib8021 Жыл бұрын

The Christian nationalists would sht a brick.

@joanfregapane8683 Жыл бұрын

Since human beings ARE apes, this interview was especially interesting. EDIT: love that you referenced Gutsick Gibbon!

@johnwright9049 Жыл бұрын

Thanks for having Frans on . Good discussion of the evolution of behavior.

@RickReasonnz Жыл бұрын

I remember that cucumber-grape video from ages ago... a classic! Great and humbling to see how primate-ive we really are.

@tamjammy4461 Жыл бұрын

Its just so sad that there are people out there, a majority in fact, who cant see how wonderful it is to have chimps and bonobos as family members. Great show, though I must confess(NOT in a confessional-gave that up when i was 9) to being just a tiny bit jealous of you getting to talk with such a great biologist ,and, more importantly,great primate. Loved this.Ta for all you do.

@tkat6442 Жыл бұрын

Great interview, and I loved how you closed with the idea of feeling connected, not insulted/intimidated, by the idea of being a primate, among many other species of primates.

@hjbasson Жыл бұрын

Perfect pronunciation of “Frans De Waal “. Great 👍

@jasondiasauthorpage615 Жыл бұрын

I think we can save the idea of altruism. The deal is, we feel good helping others. But we also feel good harming others, especially out-groups or strangers. So in a moment, choosing to feel good by helping remains altruistic, given an equally viable alternative.

@courtneybrown6204 Жыл бұрын

Thanks so much! Great informative conversation.

@politely_godless8595 Жыл бұрын

Just finished reading his book, amazing writer

@kenhoover1639 Жыл бұрын

Thank you Seth! This was so interesting! I shared it.

@andydonnelly8677 Жыл бұрын

Great discussion Seth & Frans, thank you, some very enlightening points of view.

@WilbertLek Жыл бұрын

Very informative conversation. Especially about the bonobos... Goes to show, once again, that a dirty mind is a joy forever. 😉

@MrCyclist Жыл бұрын

This was wonderfully informative. I remember reading The Naked Ape by Desmond Morris some 5o odd years ago.

@goosie8207 Жыл бұрын

Thanks for this it was really informative. I loved the brief inclusion about the likely trans chimps and banobos. I’ve always suspected that was the case but it’s nice to hear from an expert

@roxee57 Жыл бұрын

When did gender non-conformity start getting labelled transgender? And why, if gender non-conformity exists across species and is fine do the medical profession think it’s ethical to surgically “fix” it.

@goosie8207 Жыл бұрын

@@roxee57 I’m happy to correct the wording to gender diverse. There are differences in that and it can be hard for us not to project onto other animals and at other times. Either way gender diversity exists all across the animal kingdom and understanding that is helpful in modern society

@oliverthompson9922 Жыл бұрын

Wow, those bonobos have it right! Really interesting talk.

@Peppinr Жыл бұрын

A great show. Thank you both.

@dimitrioskalfakis Жыл бұрын

very good interview and a brilliant scientist.

@jenmairdavies2357 Жыл бұрын

Thank you so much, this is very interesting and informative.

@Kstanimal Жыл бұрын

This is so exciting! Thanks Seth ❤️

@jestermoon Жыл бұрын

Take A Moment The more we know the less we understand. Thank you for your vital work. Stay Safe and Stay Free 🌐

@blindwatchmaker2345 Жыл бұрын

Thanks Seth for having one of my heroes, and fellow Dutchman, on..

@trishayamada807 Жыл бұрын

Really enjoyed this interview!

@kristina9079 Жыл бұрын

Wonderful show!

@Alan-sp9pd Жыл бұрын

Really enjoyed this one!

@johnhiggs325 Жыл бұрын

I get the good doc’s interest in direct observation of social animals. I care for a large pack of dogs and spend hours just watching them interact in the group. The current hierarchy is headed by two females. One is physically dominant while the other is rather tactical and nurturing. They never allow the others to relate sexually and only have sexual relations with each other. The largest, most powerful dog is a male that follows the dominant females and only dominates the other males. He stands guard during the day while the two alphas sleep and ensures the smallest/youngest members eat first.

@jimdwyer986 Жыл бұрын

Great interview, Seth👍

@MAJMAJESTIC Жыл бұрын

Super interesting thanks.

@betzib8021 Жыл бұрын

If someone called me an ape...I would say that's impossible...im not that coordinated....and why aren't you both eating your species specific diet? Anyway...this was absolutely fascinating.

@loki6626 Жыл бұрын

Human morality is often debated as proof for god but our acts of "good and evil" can be observed in other animals. We have an edge though. The ability to communicate and discuss ideas about morality allows us to attempt to overcome some of our base animal instincts. Unfortunately it also allows some humans to invent more effective ways of being destructive. The trend has been towards a better world but I'm not convinced that this will necessarily continue.

@emilystewart8535 Жыл бұрын

I am with Dr. Frans de Waal, except on one point, his view on gender. I am a transgender woman, and I occasionally hear or read about the idea that gender is a social construct, that how we perceive our gender somehow comes from the society we live in. It is true that the society and culture we live in influences how we express our gender, as in how we behave, how we adorn ourselves, and so on. But research in fetal development and neurology provides evidence that our perception of our own gender, how we identify and see ourselves, is rooted in our brains, and is therefore biological, rather than societal.

@David34981 Жыл бұрын

You seem to be confusing the terms that are used. The gender expression he was talking about is, for a big part, construed by the society you grow up on in. Your own gender perception is obviously biological.

@emilystewart8535 Жыл бұрын

@@David34981 Listen to it again at kzfaq.info/get/bejne/gaqIgdljqK2ZdY0.html. He uses the word 'gender' alone, unmodified. He does not mention gender expression. He states that "sex it more the biological side of things ... gender is much more cultural. ... And gender is more determined by culture and our environment, that's also why the rules for gender change over time and from place to place". Sure, he is talking about gender expression. But by failing to make the distinction between gender expression and gender identity, he and others who make the same mistake muddy the water, and lend support to those who try to argue that gender is not inherently biological, that it is just a social construct.

@thefisherking78 Жыл бұрын

That was SO GOOD

@theitineranthistorian2024 Жыл бұрын

good score seth, my info dealer.

@car0lineadams108 Жыл бұрын

Most humans relate to their pets, so yeah brother my pet family are all about what you said.. and more 💞 Thanks for the confirmation that I aren't stupid ☺️

@UnwashedPearl Жыл бұрын

I had a bit of a golden age in the late 90's reading Frans de Waal's Goog Natured, Matt Ridley's Origins of Virtue and Nature via Nurture, Pinker's The Blank Slate, Dawkins and Diamond . Ah, good times and cheap tobacco. I'm still reading good stuff, but not like that run. And I quit smoking.

@justincredible. Жыл бұрын

Dutch, nice. I'm from the Netherlands too.

@user-ej5gx7ph7q Жыл бұрын

I wonder if our choice of zero sum stratified economic goals have forged our strong demands for duality and labeling, of our place therefore value in the prestigous market pyramid??? Something I thought of while listening... thanks

@Beegee1952 Жыл бұрын

In DNA testing I learned my mitochondrial line is from the Congo area, I like to think I am more gibbon related. So cool!

@deanmaynard8256 Жыл бұрын

Now that's a very interesting man!

@sageohio1864 Жыл бұрын

I guess the best word here is believe but yes I believe that animals have language and communication. Maybe primitive to ours but successful for their evolution to survive and reproduce. And even just to chew the fat

@GiacomodellaSvezia Жыл бұрын

Acts of altruism aren't necessarily motivated by selfishness. Often the acts are executed before any thought of a reward comes up in the actor; that may happen when an act of altruism is repeated.

@Chris-op7yt Жыл бұрын

conversely we get animals wrong sometimes, and can end up in strife

@bofbob1 5 ай бұрын

RIP prof de Waal. 😞

@deenadamico2673 Жыл бұрын

Capuchin Karen, banging on the counter demanding to speak to the manager 😆 "I wanted grapes!"

@jaffamanchang Жыл бұрын

😊

@hokiturmix Жыл бұрын

There is no scenario I can think of when jesus made an actual sacrifice. The only thing you can sacrifice is your own self when you behave in a way, that is other than what you believe of your self. If i believe that a good father should sacrifice himself for their children and failed to do so when needed, then you can not think that you are a good father anymore.

@caan74 Жыл бұрын

Hi there Seth and people. Seth, have you ever listened to "in the days of the caveman" by CRASHTEST DUMMIES? 😂

@hokiturmix Жыл бұрын

Watch Kezia Noble and Coach Corey Wayne "newsletter" videos. You may watch Julien Himself too but he is on the Pick Up Artist side. Alpha male is a social thing not a biological thing. Same as gender and sex. Because the wolf alpha male is somewhat disproven or debunked does not mean that Humans are. You can be described as such. You are your own boss. You had plans for your future. You take care of your loved ones. Do you listen to "Your" woman? Can she say no to you (allowed to say no)? Do you lose your mind if she disagree? Can you argue with her in a calm loving way?

@car0lineadams108 Жыл бұрын

So clearly sex is the answer for peace. Fu@k . I wouldn't have thought ❤️🤣

@velikovskysghost Жыл бұрын

I like the way Dr. Waal explains this material he really knows his stuff. However at 34:44 he mentions where he thinks Freud said our concepts of god come from and he is incorrect! We got our concepts of god from a set of events witnessed by our ancient ancestors all over the Earth see the documentaries (Symbols of an Alien Sky) and (Remembering the End of the World) and I believe even Dr Waal would agree these people have it right. Seth needs to see these too!

@ELECTECHNUT Жыл бұрын

Mostly good stuff here, but please don't continue to fall into the trap of "all or nothing" answers. Just because there is a benefit (a "high") from protecting or giving to others, doesn't mean the motive/behavior wasn't performed in a purely selfless manner. Two things can be true, regardless of which is "cause," and which is coincidental.