We leave a monolithe with mathematical equations, directions to earth and instructions to developing certain technology. Then we bounce and never interact with them again for 50,000 years.

@Boco Corwin neanderthals were prehistoric sapiens at the same time humans were. Do you know what we did to their species? It wasn't murder as some people suggest, since our own DNA tells a very different story for where they went. Granted, that case is still nowhere close to equatable with actual alien beings

That would make a great practical joke but it should be noted that monuments like Egypt's people were made by their own people, as evidenced by the fact that they have pyramids

EXACTLY, we traverse the stars to help them make pointless stone things, and the only rule is we must leave literally zero evidence they didn't do it themselves. That would just hurt their self esteem :(

@Boco Corwin Bruh, you think the aliens are going to be hot by our standards? Maybe the aliens who came here are like those people who are into weird shit

I’d argue that if aliens are watching our media. This would be the one page theyd likely subscribe too

@@akasha9141 agreed 🤝

Imagine the questions it would raise if he said that then suddenly gained millions of new subscribers.

We already do. 😉

Also start the video with a big thank you to all my time traveling viewers who have already liked this video prior to publishing

I just bombard took a couple of them for "archiving" then colonize, destroy or just live them, sometime I also love a small population and wait for them to advance to see if they take revenge

I indoctrinate them until they, like me, are Fanatical Xenophile Pacifists. Then I uplift them and we all live happily ever after. Space hippies for life!

@@ekulerudamuru dude uncool

Purge all xenos! But only through displacement. I have morals.

@@ekulerudamuru Same thing, i did in one of my playthrough.

"No want fire, need fire." I feel like they probably wouldn't talk like that if they learned our language, but it's still a little fun to imagine it like that.

Me with each new ‘Aliens’ episode to answer the Fermi Paradox: “Oh, a piece of candy! Oh, a piece of candy! Oh, a piece of candy! Oh, a piece-“ >Gets trapped in a box stuffed with all SFIA episodes until the end of time.

@@twenty-fifth420 🥳🥳🤩🤩😍😍😎

@@twenty-fifth420 get trapped in a box make sure you bring the snacks and some candy

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That sounds very familiar, but I can't recall what it was.

@@isaacarthurSFIA Outer limits. Reboot late 90’s early 2000’s.

I remember that episode.

@@isaacarthurSFIA that episode of futurama where they find a new kind of food on an alien planet only for it to turn out to be omicron persei 8 babies?

That sounds absolutely horrifying. I checked the outer limits channel and they have many episodes but unfortunately that episode is not there.

I’d avoid it just to avoid the moral headaches that comes with contact with someone weaker than us. “ If you break it, you buy it” principal for dealing with primitives

@@Nostripe361 they'll become good pets and skins for a sofa

@@user-qi6pv9jh7o future humanity is going to have a field day with deciding on which view is best. Do we leave them to their own devices and potentiallyrisk getting trounced by them in 50,000 years, or do we sew them into our haute couture? Decisions, decisions...

@@Variety_Pack The most ecologically important specie on their planet will be good material for baby ear plugs with smell of rotten penises, therefore these aliens will not be considered sentient. And this fact will be perfectly fine in the same head with the fact they are stealing your guns and able to use different tactics, so the war and tax raises last for years.

@@Variety_Pack the BEPWSORP will be instantly bought out as the protest action against killing these aliens, thus increasing need for making more.

So... Zerg? But with non-bio tech?

Added Neil Asher to my reading list. Thanks for recommending books.

Also added Neil Asher to my reading list, starting from his first book, even though it's not technically the first chronologically.

@@EliasMheart Kind of like primal zerg but the jain never worked together, they are 100% hostile to each other.

@@KarlRosner So how did they do well, anything? You might have the knowledge of 10,000 individuals in your brain, but if you have the labor of only yourself available, how do you get anything done with that knowledge? Like for example how do you develop plastics if there is no oil industry? A single individual is also going to build an oil rig, refinery, and chemical factory? Who's going to operate all this? The idea seems like it would break down past stone age tech that individuals can feasibly conceive and build like a spear. If its spoilers don't tell me, but it seems nearly impossible for a species like that to achieve technology, even if they absorb the knowledge of defeated foes. Maybe its just my human bias but I literally cannot imagine a scenario of achieving high technology without cooperation.

I read the book when Isaac recommended it back in 2020

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Xenomorphs even copy some of the hosts biology as a way to increase the probability of them being able to survive in new environments.

Yeah I don't think I'd be able to long resist either, dropping a techno-optimist into a first contact team probably is setting yourself up for failure if you're a non-interference civilization :)

@@isaacarthurSFIA playing civilisation would be too hard to resist

@@PyxelDreams Now I'm resisting the urge to start a game of it :)

@@isaacarthurSFIA Go on, yknow you want to! (ps: i'd recommend stellaris if you like your games or olan thoresons Cast Under an Alien Sun book series )

@@isaacarthurSFIA One... More... Turn...

Humans:- FIGURED IT OUT DIE FIRES PLASMA AT ALIEN AND DELETES ANY MEMORY OF HIM

​@Sadiq Ahmed MiB: Sigh, why use Noisy Cricket when just add a bit o' shroom to their diet to appear like duuuude... huuummaanss did allll thiiiissss.

I can only wish I was as optimistic as you are gentle stranger.

@@greenrocket23 I know right?

We all have history books so we know how bad christopher columbus was, i think future humans would be able to look at the past and try not to repeat that, and even if there would be people who would try to abuse the aliens there would be enough people to call them out on their behaviour. Also, besides potential for new pharmaceutical drugs the aliens would have nothing we would need. In order to get to the aliens we would have solved many of the problems that would usually cause us to be warmongering assholes.

why do i feel we would genocide them for their resources

We will go down the Imperium of Man path at the end, mark my words.

Would we blame aliens for ruining our entire civilization timeline if we happened to spot some?

@@thezyreick4289 Blame... nah. Not me anyway. We know something must be out there by now anyways. It would crash our imagination land- based- hypes and myths that give some few the authority and wealth to endanger us all on they're whims. Probably.

Ahem.. their whims. Well.. it is not exactly like we are discussing and deciding very much, or at least efficiently as a species the big decisions about what to do about our resources and biosphere. Actually.. It looks like we will be needing an effective and honest playground to do that sooner than later. If we want the coming generations to feel they can be proud of us and also basically get the standard of (or at all) living they deserve to grow up in. Buuuut that is a matter for another day. I'm still waiting to be forty in a couple of months. Decided that it would be best to wait for that when I was 17 years old, before rushing it and ruining the best chance we have to manage our selves.. not having much of the experience whilst doing a big project can lead to unnecessary mistakes and... other "silly" things. Love. Respect. Responsibility. 💕♻️😄👍

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@@NoNameAtAll2 phew!😄 34 minutes ahead of you there. But thank you anyways.🛀

My fur babies are quantifiably more intelligent than my coworkers. Most pet owners have probably experienced this too. There's definitely overlapping examples we can use from our interactions with other mammals that might as well apply to intelligent aliens. If we get queasy about blurring the line between adopting a child and getting a pet, than aren't pets just slaves? We can't just let all the pet dogs go and expect them to fend for themselves at all (the vast majority wouldn't be capable of self-sufficiency) so we basically are forced to keep the 'slavery' unless we're fine with genocide. It's a moral catch 22. Yeah we're talking about aliens, but also PETA and similar groups. The animal activist extremists who think pets are slaves but also acknowledge that pets CANT just be let go, so they 'rescue' strays just so they can euthanize them. Most people agree that those people are freaking psychopaths and wouldn't trust such a person with their human children. We can also easily draw the parallels of how the "spay and neuter" advice is indistinguishable from eugenics. Should we apply the same morality to an alien species as well? Are we practicing eugenics on species that could one day develop human level intelligence on their own? We could be very well curbing the development and evolution of cats and dogs and be unjustly moralizing it as 'merciful'. If we can do that to fellow mammals than why wouldn't we do the same to aliens on a whole separate tree of life? Discussing the morality of first contact opens up the identical, ugly can of moral worms we can apply to today. Sorta morbid stuff but we can't discuss a topic without first asking the question. I find that scifi topics like this are fantastic for self reflection.

you give tech slowly, first by introducing concepts and mathematics over generations, then introduce them to how wheels and pistons work. You don't give primitive aliens an Iphone XG9 and hope they know how it works, as you said this process of uplifting is gonna be a LONG haul.

Yes, now all we need to do is discover the universal definition of sapience

@@ahzizM Wauw! That almost didn't sound condescending!

The thought comes to mind; The microbe in my brain. Even if not intelligent, let alone sapient the little microbe still could cause confusion and consternation. Human Exploration Team: Nope, not even intelligent life on *this* planet; feel free to colonize! ~~~6 months later~~~ Yes, brain Bob, the emissary will be leaving shortly with brain Brian, brain Brenda, and brain Boron. (I don't know why someone called their kid Boron or why all infected are called brain).

Based.

The prime directive makes sense because you don't want to have species start to turn up to earth like in the movie District 9. One species is a nuisance, so what do you call the 3rd or 8th species that wants to stick around and to be taken care of? I think it would make even the most cosmopolitan person become a bit of upset because the 8th species just turned up & in their minds they'll be wondering if another 8 more to come with some species already demanding we start transforming Mars or Venus for their species.

It’s been a while since I watched the series but isn’t that the episode where Dr Phlox opts not to give a cure (that he had already developed) to an alien race that was dying of a plague because some of them had slaves from another intelligent species? I have no sympathy for slave owners of any form but that seems a bit too genocide-y for my tastes despite technically not being genocide.

@@jazzfan1994 nO THEY WEREN'T SLAVERS. Damn Caps. Anyway it is mentioned that they are treated well and given tasks to do. They had been living like that for thousands of years and were getting smarter. Phlox insisted that if we gave a cure they would never be forced to have true intelligence as they were cared for by the more advanced ones and so wouldn't be forced to evolve through evolution. Made some bullshit argument about neandertals died out so we evolved.

Honestly, if you look at the politics of Gene Roddenberry, it's not surprising that he thought that a one world government run by oligarchs was an improvement. TOS had all sorts of his creepy politics creep into it while he was in charge of Star trek. He even managed to get his anti-sematic tropes thrown into Next Gen with the Firangi. He was the type of Hollywood personality that the Red Scare/McCarthy Witch Trials SHOULD have gotten and it's a shame it didn't. Now, I'm a Star Wars fan first and foremost so I acknowledge my inherent bias, lol. BTW, f*ck Disney. Roddenberry probably would have gotten along great with the one-world-gov technocratic oligarchs running the show at the mouse house nowadays.

I can see first contact with an alien race being Walmart showing up in orbit and opening a new outlet on the planet. Those primitive aliens then shape their entire society around shopping at Walmart. A century later, a government ship makes orbit and the aliens are shocked to learn the rest of the galaxy isn't run exactly like their society.

@@joshuarichardson6529 lol ! That should be a series

Lol yeah, I am sure they won't be crushed and brutalised/s

One would probably take over the other. Slavery?

If oil is found, the aliens are fucked.

It might actually go better we mining most of our resources in space by then. The biggest danger from us will be tourists, tech and those who have zoos.

Don't worry, 90% of people won't want to fuck them.

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Oh, that was a good read! I did read them in reverse order but didn't realize until late... both had interesting aliens and motivations. (I didn't understand some of the alien motivation, but then again that helps make it alien.

@@brentmartin6833 - I _really_ wish Vinge would finish those _Zones of Thought_ books, but I'm afraid he's really getting up there in years, and it's probably not going to happen.

There are a few more, but the hybrid perspective is more common, like around the 45th chapter of The Deathworlders

Or avoidable. Big Startrek fan too but the religious adherance to that principles drives me crazy.

The idea behind the Prime Directive is not that all interference is destructive...it is that before we intervene, we cannot know the consequences of our actions. Star Trek generally would probably argue that not knowing those consequences makes non-interference the best policy in most cases

I'm excited for the JWS telescope. 😁

Yes g o I'd move. Goid alines

Or as I call them the human borgs. They want resistance to be futile. Look at what they tried to do to Eminiar VII, the Halkan council, and the Orgaians.

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Re: David Brin. Some of his work can be rambling. But I encourage you to give him another try. Check out "The Postman." (It's short and the classic of post apocalyptic fiction)

There are magma vents, light concentrators, and so on which can potentially be used in a similar fashion as fire in water or oxygen-less environments.

There's another: observe them from far away, and if they have some tech that we don't, covertly obtain that tech and reverse engineer it. Thus we get to have their tech while they don't have ours, and it also gives us the element of surprise if we ever decide to vaporize them.

we don't have the right to wipe out aliens, especialy the inteligent ones, and concidering how rare they are I highly doubt we will erace them from existance even if they were a threat, which is also very unlikly concidering how big the universe is.

@@mrzenox9835 Well, that would depend on whether or not they have colonized many worlds or not. If they have not, completely eradicating them would be rather easy.

@@The1stDukeDroklar it would, but assuming there was for example a more powerful alien race with higher morals and values, observing us in the act, they would deem us as a savage and dangerous race and erase us all. Not only that but assuming there are other aliens in the neighborhood, they all have nothing in common with each other, if we start a genocide we would give them something in common which is hating us. Invading an alien race that's less advanced is wrong, and it's not worth it, why would we be the bad guys? we can just leave them be, the same way we want a godlike alien race to leave us be.

Ha! Jokes on the intergalactic community... Bachelor's of Under Water Basket Weaving! FTW! Wait we uplifted Dolphins *and* gave them hands?!!! Sigh, welp, back to Mom's basement.

There is no way you can use mathematics to conclude earth was intentionally "gardened" by some advanced species or claim that it's likely that happened. I see similar arguments used by theists to justify God. In fact, the opposite is true. It's the same as a lottery winner. Was it lucky that a lottery winner emerged even though they had such a small chance of winning it? No, since the chance might be 1 in 10 million for a single person but 10 million people participated so it would be improbable that there weren't any lottery winners. There are a 1-10 trillion estimated planets only in our own galaxy. It would be unlikely a planet supporting intelligent life wouldn't pop up here and there and lo and behold Earth was one that won the "which planet can support life" lottery.

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Awesome, a new planet to colonize and devoid of primitive life.

So it is ok when England dominated half the world through conquest?

Uplifting is as likely to be as bad as any other action. Most likely due to the fact we can't even agree on what that would mean just among humans. Further, you and me are almost certainly exist because our ancestors would be considered evil by some of those now extinct or maybe even by ourselves.

Tough luck. The worst case scenario is most likely what we will get, if at all.

Uplift is playing God. It is taking direct control and responsibility for the genetic evolution of another sentient species. Humanity needs to learn that not everyone needs or even wants our increasingly mono-cultural benevolence. And even if it works out well, what happens if later - that species comes to our ancestors and demands to know who the hell did we think we were deciding their genetic destiny when they could not give consent when they were pre-sentient?

@@spacejunk2186 ah the paranoid type i see... pity, i know how that feels man, good luck to you.

@@darkorion69 ah... i see!, so you think they would regret any form of tampering on the grounds that it messes with distiny... though, that would requre distiny to exist, and god... nether of which exist, so dont take the term playing god to seriously, its more just... doing what we inevitably could to improve life... anyone dumb enough to complain about that... well, thats theyre problem. not the worlds, not humanity or the uplifted species problem.

Sentient comes from the latin _sentire_ which means to perceive. Sapient comes from the latin _sapere_ which is to have knowledge. Almost all animals are sentient, they have eyes, antennae, noses...

@@rikospostmodernlife yes except it's also used to separate us from animals.

@@rojack79er *other* animals. We're not plants, fungi, protists, monerans, or archea.

@@Archgeek0 we're still classified as animals my dude. And let me be clear if I wasn't already, I really don't care for keyboard warriors trying to play smart and correct my mistakes. I used the wrong word OMG! Get over it, I'm an author but even I can mistakes. These 5 other races, key word there, are people who now call earth home and thus they need to work with the remnants of humanity in order to ensure the survival of all species.

@@rojack79er Easy there, you didn't use the wrong word, you left out of a word. Its absence changed the meaning of your statement, causing it to look like a commonly-held but to me deeply annoying anthropocentric viewpoint that we're somehow above or at least separate from other animals. The form it took came real close to one I've hated for a long time: "That's what separates us from [the] animals.". In short, I wasn't correcting any mistake, but myself mistook what'd you'd actually typed as intentional, espousing a viewpoint I've long despised, and subsequently lashed out at it. Misunderstandings sure can be silly.

The Zap Brannigan way of doing things.

Relax the nearest star is 40,000 years away if we left now. We pretend to be advanced however a not insubstantial number of us are burning excrement for fuel. The number of us that understand, let alone use General relativity, quantum mechanics, plumbing or electricity to build tools is tiny.

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LOl, He wouldn't be a Legionnaire anymore since his government and military would no longer exist. We will need to get some fluent Latin speakers to learn anything from him, and to start teaching him modern Italian.

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Star Trek meets Fallout. I'd read it, or play/watch it.

Ignore them. They brought it upon themselves.

@@dipanjanghosal1662 True, but this could be centuries later, long after the culprits have passed on...

@@falsfire That doesn't matter to xenophobes. They're always looking for excuses not to help outsiders and to instead further purify their culture.

Sounds similar to short stories from the Humanity, Fvck Yeah subreddit.

I cannot remember if it were Poul Anderson or Arthur C. Clarke, but one of them wrote a short-story about just that scenario. 'Tis been a long time since I read it.

With the exception of actually given them any tech, this concept sounds rather similar to the Tau from the WH40k universe. Humanity already had a galactic empire, discovered some bronze age aliens but before we could decide what to do with them, we had our FTL travel disrupted for a couple of thousand years. Fast forward to when we travel back to check up on these aliens, they are now an FTL space faring species with better/more proliferated tech than us in many fields, while our own species is in a techno/social dark age of tech stagnation/regression.

This happened with the MMO game "Wildstar"'s "Chua" race. The game's futuristic space-human race made a space-empire, came across the Chua and gave them tech in exchange for them joining the empire. Next thing was the Chua destroying the ecology of their planet, having quickly exploited it for resources.

The wood and iron would also have to be space proof, possibly atmosphere-proof too, at least if they're going to visit a planet.

@@lomiification The idea is just that they’re technologically less advanced than we are, rather than a thousand or a million years ahead as is usually the case in SF…

I swear there is a book about this. It's about some aliens comming to conquer earth, but they have wooden space ships and muscets, because they have some other amazing piece of space travel tech that simply abolished the need for them to invent anything else. Humans kicked their ass with basic Nowton.

I'm reminded of Jerry Pournelle's novel 'A Spaceship for the King' (also known as 'King David's Spaceship') though I must admit to not having actually read it. However, it's hard to imagine merely getting into orbit around a presumably Earth-like planet with 'medieval' technology, much less reaching stellar escape velocity, and even slightly reasonable interstellar speeds...

​@@stardolphin2 One could move the whole thing a thousand years into the future so they can be more or less where we are are now, rather than needing medieval (or, say, steampunk) space travel to work… and maybe interstellar speeds needn’t be “reasonable” if you can doze away a thousand years at a time and maybe are more like a tree than an animal, or like a fungal root system popping out transient individuals as needed…

A better book is Vernor Vinge's _A Deepness in the Sky_ -- much better.

We do? I hope that becomes more common. I love wild forms of self expression

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