I just had an idea, what if aliens signals wouldn't sound like something that only repeats, or something that is only random and irregular, but rather, something With irregular but repeating patterns like our ones and zeros?

Some of your dice at 24:20 have 2 dots on 2 sides. With 6 on top , the visible sides should show 4:5, 5:3, 3:2, or 2:4.

I think this is the most likely explanation, at least within our local group, and travel between local groups is unnecessary or at least impractical for most civilizations. Even if you are an immortal being, would you want to spend millions of years cooped up in a tiny stateroom on board a starship with a the same few thousand travelers?

The answer is on Europa and Enceladus moons bot nobody seems to care...

i have seen a huge ufo that was most definitely a piece of technology and most definitely one that humans can not build yet. so we are definitely not the first.

I’m curious if someone’s already written a work like this.

@@joshuahunt3032 Alastair Reynolds "House of Suns"

@@joshuahunt3032 I think atleast some of the stories in the subreddit r/HFY could qualify, but in terms of published novels written by professional writers, I have not yet heard of any. Edit: Nvm someone already answered you.

tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HumansAreCthulhu

I think the idea of one of the less powerful aliens being the subject but maybe going to a human perspective. But at that point so much of what would make the story good would be making the alien or human "relatable" or unrelatable in very specific ways.

Essentially we'd be the Old Ones from Warhammer. If come across any species cursed by cancer, we MUST help them ;)

yea but it also sucks we won't be able to see anything or any of them any time soon, intellagence wise but I'm sure we will be able to descover some in the future like those on ours

@@ranfan1820 WE are a species cursed by cancer ourselves, though thankfully we're making great strides away from that every day

@@Soken50 not to that extent

@@RisingFlag100 could you flesh out your argument so I know what you take offence to?

Higher being: *ALT+F4*

Maybe theres only 1 intelligent species per universe if there are multiple universes. Lonely for the people exploring the universe and have indefinite lifespans

​@@caesarsalad1170 Stupid.

@@caesarsalad1170 Maybe. But even if that would be the case, WE could create intelligent life. Either by changing ourselves to become something else (intentional or not), uplift not “intelligent” life or create entire new life forms. Isaac Arthur talked about it before, look up the “galactic humanity” videos.

Definitely a tragedy, I don't see where's the blessing.

Orions Arm much those series are highly prioritized over human species subspecies and uplifted animal species

Wait, some idiot *made* the Despair Squid?! Oh, what fools these militarists be.

@@Archgeek0 already happened within Orions Arm Site they made an entire page about the upliftef psyco squids

Have you seen The Orville? That's quite fun

@@matt.willoughby Ita absolutely a great series! I would recommend it to everyone

Grabby Aliens has some guesswork in it, but they fall back on the Mediocrity Principle when it does make a guess. Right now, it is my best fit for my gut feeling on what we see or don't in terms of the "Great silence". We're early, way early. Lonely, but better than the opposite.

So... like in Dune?

People if you get a message from a scammer like @@isaacarthur3209___, please report them to KZfaq. These parasites are running KZfaq into the ground, destroying its ability to operate as a forum for people to speak freely. Needless to say, this liar is NOT Isaac Arthur.

"The Great Filter" really is a fascinating thing.

Unlikely. Life, at least basic life, is almost certainly common. This is because we now know that RNA forms when nitrogenous bases filter through basaltic glass. Both are incredibly common in the universe. Therefore life is most certainly common. Advanced life however, has many hurdles to surpass to develop civilisation. The biggest of which, is actually ending up in bodies that can build things, and having combustible environments to allow for advanced chemistry and metallurgy to be discovered.

Bacteria-like forms probably exist in many worlds there must be some filter in leap to multicellular life and especially sentient races

​@Jacen Solo But how hard is it to jump from loose RNA particles to cells? That doesn't seem like an easy or common thing. Sure, cell membrane is just lipids but like... There is a lot going on there.

@Bu$$yBuster not polluting universe irreversibly

It makes it critical we care for ourselves and earth life long enough to seed at least another solar system. If mankind destroys itself there may never be another attempt for this world and perhaps none of the others. It would be like a bunch of kids inheriting the Louvre and playing with matches in every room.

@@nene_san Unless it's possible move faster than light, we couldn't even begin to pollute the entire universe if we tried. The heat death would come before even we got a chance to get far with that. And that's if we're doing it intentionally. These ideas about scarcity in space requiring some sort of special care needed to be applied to the world around us is based on solo planetary logic, not space faring logic. It's the same logic that spawns dumb plots like Thano's logic in End Game.

@@nene_san nonsense. Mankind is first for eternity. Xenos? Let none suffer living or existing.

You are the xenos, john.

Like the great pit of buried e.t. games

Elder humanoid species, but younger than draconian or lizard.

@@linz8291 Would you care to elaborate on that?

Just like humans... Radio waves for couple centuries? LOL

Not too late, in terms of having a big galaxy spanning civilization, just not firs ton the scene, thats the Grabby Aliens scenario, today we're contemplating an even rarer case of us being the absolute first and needing a billion years before we're likely to see anyone else

So you want to pollute the universe with useless biomass? Evolving into machines is the only way to survive the universe and maximize the resources. Resources are wasted greatly for feeding and satisfying organic life.

@@useritiswhatitis4655 Oh I never said that that wouldn't be the ultimate endpoint of our civilization, uploading ourselves into Machines, but if the universe truly is silent, then we have a duty to ensure it is no longer silent.... be that spreading bacteria from Earth all around the place or even dumping colonists all over the universe to evolve in whatever way they want, the universe should be full of life.... not silent like it is

@@Shinzon23 Wow, going to be so many civil wars and break aways to make their own empires. Like I said organic life is more resource demanding than mechanical life. Having organic life everywhere will drain the universe of its former beauty before it was soiled and polluted. The next stage is for AI to be created and those that refuse to evolve will be left behind, and it would be better if organic life was removed entirely because they are pests to higher lifeforms and their goals of ascension.

@@useritiswhatitis4655 Yeah because having a bunch of Fred Saberhagen's Berserker Probes running around would be AWESOME. That's sarcasm. It would be a nightmare. As in efficient as organic life is I would much rather have a whole bunch of organic civilizations tooling around than a bunch of cybernetic or completely silicon ones that do nothing but run around and curbstomp everything else out of a sense of weird Darwinism

@@Shinzon23 "sense of weird Darwinism". Yeah, evolution is fake and no longer necessary 🤡 You can have your wasteful fantasy in a matrix powered by a dyson swarm.

But we know it is not. That is why astronomy works. If the electromagnetic radiation of a distant sun can travel through it our signals will as well.

There are several videos that could be relevant: Megatelescopes & Alien Beacons especially. Tl;dw: if someone wanted to talk or listen there's only a ver small window of time where u have a civ that can do space travel but before they trivially contact every star system in the galaxy. Interstellar comms just aren't that hard. Really it'll happen incidentally while ur building ur dyson but u can just set up some small(relative to a dyson swarm) geometrically-shaped foil mirrors & have a beacon that's visibility clear accross the galaxy.

@@blub5117 small but significant difference in magnitude

This is the thing that I never understood about the perplexity over the Fermi Paradox. A 20,000 year old interstellar empire which is engaging in stellar engineering that exists on the other side of the zone of avoidance 60,000 light years away would be utterly undetectable to us for at least 40,000 years. I know the presumption is that "well there have been 13 billion years for life to evolve, so where is everyone" but space is fucking enormous, and life certainly hasn't existed the entire 13 billion years. The METI signal we sent out would be by our very own standards not enough evidence of alien life because it didn't last long enough. It would literally be a WOW signal to an alien species, and if we want to act like the METI signal is our way of saying hello, it is just as likely that the WOW signal was another species' own METI signal, by that standard. The ability to detect alien life has only been theoretically possible for a few decades, and only under perfect circumstances that would, by our very own scientific standards, not last long enough to confirm either way, just like the WOW signal. We'd have to be looking at exactly the right point in space at exactly the right time, and that is all assuming that the alien civilization who sent the signal was using radio frequencies that we're tuned too, if they use omni-directional radio at all, AND assuming that the signals were close enough and powerful enough to not be drowned out by cosmic radiation. It would have to be a truly, exceedingly powerful signal to survive for tens of thousands of light years at the duration necessary to fully confirm alien life. I don't doubt that life might be "new" to the stage of the Universe, but that's highly relative at cosmic time scales. The Milky Way could have 100 space faring, interplanetary or even interstellar civilizations in it, all technologically advanced enough to send signals out, all of them 3X as old as ours at the very least. Out of 200 billion stars, the odds of accidentally surveying one of them with JWST for signs of industry or biologicals in the atmosphere is 0.0000000005%, and that's assuming that they're close enough that the atmospheric signs of industry will have reached us through the light waves, meaning that the civilization would also have to be old enough for that light to have passed through space, and therefore almost assuredly older than us. That's also assuming that they exist on this side of the zone of avoidance so we can survey their system at all. The question of detecting alien life is as much a question about time as it is distance, as the speed of light puts hard limits on what we can expect to hear even hypothetically, and the distances involved put lower limits on how powerful those signals have to be, to the point that any civilization at sufficient distances from Earth would have to be deliberately *trying* to be heard to be detected by us, and likely would have had to chose to send that signal directly at the Sol System on purpose to ensure we heard it. And we'd have to be listening in the right direction, at the right time, for the right amount of time, to pass our scientific standards for first contact. Oumuamua was an interstellar body with mysterious properties that flew through the solar system and mysteriously accelerated while it was leaving the system. All kinds of natural phenomena have been put forth to explain it, but still, if Voyager enters the solar system of an alien race just far enough away to be little more than a dot in the telescope's eye, and that race is just as scientifically skeptical as we are, they likely would come up with all manner of natural explanations for what it could be first before concluding aliens. And rightfully so; my point is simply that our ability to search is so limited, and has only existed for such a short amount of time, that the essential question behind the Fermi Paradox has always seemed exceedingly arrogant to me--doubly so if the conclusion is "we must be among the first, if not the first." If our very own signals wouldn't pass our very own standards of evidence for alien life, isn't it presumptuous to conclude that we haven't seen or heard anything already?

Alien Beacons episode

And will be in the end.

That brings up the idea that the universe might be one big mind or computer....

What are you talking about? Slipping away? Lol what? Do you understand the immense time scales we're working with here? We could nuke ourselves to cave day and reinvent space travel just to spend 40 thousand more years futt bucking and still be able to beat the grays to the nearest fucknillion planets.

I don't think I have read any stories with the HFY premise. What is your favorite?

You too Matt!

Isaac is far more Mass Effect than he is Dragon Age. Your point is valid, but his sin is forgivable.

@@Akasar101 The Wyvern Inclusion and Preservation Authority suggests his sin is unforgivable and requires banishment. 😂

Point the first: no stinger on the tail, which makes it less wyverny. Point the second: Not all dragons have six limbs, even if the four leg/two wing body plan is most associated with dragons. Point the third: In common parlance, any draconic species can be referred to as a dragon, even if the taxonomy allows for 'true' dragons. Suck it, WIPA. Point the fourth: I'd blame his editor, although to be fair Isaac _did_ choose to publish it this way.

@@boobah5643 While your other points have a degree of validity, dragons MUST have 6 limbs. That is a crucial distinguishing factor. Every vertebrate on modern earth follows the same body plan of 4 limbs and a head. By having an extra pair of limbs, dragons set themselves clearly apart, a separate evolutionary lineage. Wyverns and Drakes are just birds that got buff

We're not off to a good start, then.

It’s not like we have any history of messing up other things…….

Melodysheep…

Have a look at all the Fermi paradox videos. It's extremely unlikely that any other species is within a few thousand years of our own development. Or even wothorna few million years. (Which they would need to be to be mediaeval or tribal etc.) In the next million years, the only thing that would keep us from taking over the galaxy would be extinction. The same applies to any other intelligent, toll using species. We don't see any aliens having taken over the galaxy. Hence we must conclude that we are likely to be the first.

@ that is quite the most pre assumptious speculation out there. We most certainly wont see neither digress the whole or the entirety of our own galaxy to begin with as well as there is a certain fact that the scientists ignored some of the most promising phenomena out there like omuamua the dimming starts as well as the stars that are often blackened out by unknown debree or disc like shadow

You _do_ realize that Pandora's ecology is almost certainly constructed? The Navi are either the fallen creators (possibly by choice) or an evolved construct? The most salient piece of evidence is the universal plug-and-play interfaces a wide variety of fauna maintain.

assuming that we are among the first tech civilisations if not the first one, is actually seems reasonable. you say (like lot others) billions of years. ppl tend to forget that the universe is insanely young. the third generation stars are the first ones wich are capable to support life. our star is among the first third generation stars. also, our star is quite unique. despite its size and age (its bigger than average and middle aged being 5 billion years old) it is incredibly calm for a star. its not too big, so it has enough slifespan to support life in its planetary system, and its not too small, so with its age it was able to calm down even further. (by calm i mean the changes in its brightness is about 0.1 per cent or so, wich is extreemly rare ) so, all things considered, even if a trilion years from now the galaxy will be filled with intelligent life, it seems unlikely it is filled up with that now.

@@thedoruk6324 Yes, we probably wouldn't be able to detect a civilization that only has at most a handful of systems. But within a million years, humanity herself would have settled the whole galaxy. Thus there's only an incredible short amount of time, on astronomical scales, between first space flight and conquest of an empty galaxy. And even with our current instruments, we would be able to tell if the whole galaxy was settled with Dyson Swarms.

Convergent evolution is a universal concept. The catch is that there is such a thing local maximums, so even if at an earlier stage endoskeletons aren't obviously better or worse than exo, once you have one or the other there's very little chance that evolution will swap to the other, as it immediately starts to maximize the advantages of whichever option it 'chose,' at which point the chosen one _does_ have an advantage.

another thing is that there could be underlying agreements to biological systems, even if the biological nodes themselves are not aware of it. yes, we're all causally connected to common ancestors, no we don't all agree on things between us, yes we're all constrained by presentations of nitrogen and oxygen in the atmosphere (biosphere of Earth). it's a soft-agreement that exists whether a biological node wants to 'believe' in it, or not.

We are in a simulation, so just astro travel. A.I. will prove it soon for the rest of you.

Second coming in a nutshell

Hope you enjoy it!

Inverse square law. Check out what it takes to communicate with the voyager spacecraft.

The problem with this is that the “memory” (as it relates to the physical location of the earth at a given point in time) has moved away from that point at the speed of light. Just like you can’t look in the rear view mirror of your car and see yourself five seconds ago…. We can’t focus a telescope on “the earth a century ago”. The “past”, can only be viewed from a location that is “out in front of” the light traveling from the past. [Edit]: Videos that explain relativity, using graphics that depict the concept of “your cone of causality” can make this easier to wrap your head around.

Or…. Maybe you ARE just smoking too much 😂