The "What else? Is beauty all that matters to you?" scene was seared into my mind and for good reason. Know your worth my dudes, gals, and nonbinary pals

I don't think hating prince Derek ist irrational, he literally couldn't think of any other positive thing than "you're pretty" about Odette. Really dude? Especially since they spent every single summer of their life together. Their falling in love never sat right with me, even at the end of the movie, there just wasn't enough reason for him to suddenly risk his life for her, except awakened hormones maybe. That's attraction, not love.

For me, there's one major good thing about Prince Derek. He sets up Rogers for a perfect stinger: "You should write a book: How to offend women in 5 syllables or less!" That's the main line I remember from this movie more than a decade later! Rogers, truer words were never spoken.

Derek thinking swans are harmless animals is the funniest shit I've seen in this movie other than his sheer audacity

Why does baby Odette look like one of those mediaeval paintings of babies where they're just little old men with baby proportions?

"Arrange the marriage? Bro, you didn't even like her before just now!" Bro, you didn't even ask her if she wanted that.

I honestly think the reason Odette is sure they were meant to be is because that literally all she was told since a child, and it's possible the only guys she's had in her life her own age was Derek and his friend. . She's just finally given into what she's been told and pushed into thinking. It is sad that throughout it, Odette seemed to always be the one *trying* to hang out with them, while they were always doing things to stop from doing it.

Derek never really redeemed himself in the movie, he never apologized or learned his lesson. He liked Odette for her looks and literally never changed that part of himself.

This is how you make Enemies to lovers wrong- also, how was she able to forgive him so quick after all that bullying he did to her- also...WHY IS HE OBSESSED WITH SWANS?! Like...that could trigger Odette's PTSD

Things Derek could have said instead of "what else is there": You're smart, kind, funny, tough as nails, and you've been patient enough to put up with my foolish and rude behavior all these years without dumping me in the lake beside your castle. In short, you're an amazing, beautiful person, inside and out.

I remember someone trying to defend Prince Derek by saying that Odette is the same; she is shallow and only fell for Derek when he became hot (or what I assume is supposed to be hot; I never found him attractive in the slightest). But her lyrics literally state otherwise: 'I see him smiling and my knees start buckling; I see inside him and my doubts have gone'. She sees *inside* him and saw he'd matured beyond his 'Eww, cooties!' phase in life, and when she saw that she realised he was ready for love. His lyrics consist only about her looks: 'She started out as such an ugly duckling; and somehow suddenly became a swan'. Nothing about inner beauty or maturity; he just likes that she's pretty, as if she hadn't been beforehand.

Rothbart: I want my rule to be legitimate so I'll marry the heir to the throne. Also Rothbart: I'm going to murder the king and hope anarchy doesn't occur while I try to get Odette to marry me. Like his plan makes so little sense that I question how no one in the writers room was like "Hey I have this list of plotholes maybe we should address."

Dereck wasnt a great character but I also have the slight suspicion that he could have ended up curing cancer and it still wouldnt have redeemed him in Sophias eyes after his little commentary.

I mean you asking Derek why he likes her, but honestly why exactly does she like him either?? It ain’t his charming personality!

I remember this movie had such an impact on me for pointing out that beauty isn’t everything.. but it falls so flat because of Derek! Odette has absolutely no reason to have any positive feelings towards him. He literally bullied her their entire lives, but that’s somehow redeemed because… he learns to love her? The message ends up being “true love is when he loves you for you, no matter who he is or what he’s done.” The bar went from mutually shallow attraction to a woman should be happy as long as a man actually sees her as a person, and she will still love him even when he doesn’t. The worst part is that that’s basically where the bar is in real life, so it’s really just a reflection of heterosexual love as it is instead of the portrayal of a healthy ideal that they tried to make. I mean, how many of us can relate to Odette pining for the guy who treats her like crap just because he showed the least bit of interest? I know I can. So in a dystopian way, this is more realistic than most romantic movies for kids. And writing that out, romantic movies for kids is already a really creepy concept :’) why are we like this?

The enemies-to-lovers trope went harder in the 90s than the fake dating trope is right now. They went way too far with it in this movie because they made Derek so antagonistic and put all the actual pining on Odette who was just having a normal reaction to such an immature creep. It's very imbalanced and bizarre bcs what writer thought a prince that behaved like the annoying little prick across the street that had 'No Girls Allowed' on his treehouse and only got "better" when the hormones kicked in would be romantic to little girls? I HATED those boys lol

For real, Derek was like, my MAJOR crush as a kid, and watching it as an adult I went '...huh. well.'

I think Odette is in love with Derek only because he’s the only guy who was ever expected to marry her. She doesn’t know any better

I don't think Odette's love was as shallow as Derek's attraction towards her. As children, she was obviously the one trying to make an effort to bond with him every summer even though he acted so miserable around her. By the time they're teenagers, she even seems to have started finding it fun to mess with him. And maybe she had thought more deeply about why they could be a well-matched couple if only he treated her better - hence why her "doubts" melt away when he seems to finally put their longstanding rivalry aside and begin acting like a gentleman. If they had Odette tell her father why she was so disappointed, or explain to her animal friends why she's still hopeful about being rescued and reminisce on some of Derek's kinder moments as a child right before she breaks out into Far Longer than Forever, her pining would make a lot more sense, even if it was simply a coping mechanism for her awful situation. Also, when Derek and Odette reunite, it would be nice if Derek apologized and asked Odette if she's still mad at him for being an idiot, and she sort of laughs it off saying that he's always been an idiot - showing that she still found a way to love him despite their constant bickering. And then Derek could properly reciprocate because he realizes he doesn't really deserve someone who is so forgiving and sweet as her. Just a little more character development would go a long way in making their love for each other make more sense, imo.

Irrational? IRRATIONAL?! This dude had known her since he was like. Four years old or something? Spent every summer with her (being a little brat the whole time I might add) since he was like eight or nine? And he still couldn't think of a SINGLE THING he liked about her besides her looks??? He was conceited, self-important, arrogant, and self-absorbed beginning to end. He's like ARRANGE THE MARRIAGE and they haven't even had a CONVERSATION! He didn't even know her well enough to spot an imposter, and it took her LITERALLY dying for him to think of anything he liked about her besides her face. I l o a t h e Prince Derek and if that's irrational, rationality is overrated! 😂

happy to see another Derek hater. his "she started out as such an ugly duckling" line is the WORST!!!!

I've never seen this movie, I only know the Barbie version but after this commentary I firmly believe Odette needs a villain arc after all the bullsh*t she had to endure from the male characters in this movie

Liz Callaway is the go-to singer when you're knocking off Disney princesses! Not only is she the singing double for Odette and Anastasia, but even Disney uses her when they're knocking themselves off, lol - she sings for Jasmine in the Aladdin sequels and for Simba's daughter.

I don’t usually leave comments but the Swan Princess movies are my all time favorites from childhood!! I absolutely love the opening number from the 1st movie and there are some of my fav musical numbers from the villain songs to the love ballads. Is Derek the best love interest..? No lol but I get so emotional every time I hear him sing Because I Love Her (3rd movie). These movies are so cheesy and funny and I’d highly recommend watching the 2nd and 3rd!!

Even when Derek finally says some character attributes he likes about Odette, “kindness and courage” feel sort of like a cop out to me for some reason, like you could use those words to describe so many people.

Point 1: I LOVE your hair Point 2: Derek's a dweeb, and BOTH of them were way more interesting as kids Point 3: If the king and queen had wanted to unite their kingdoms, why didn't THEY get married? They obviously get along, his wife is dead, and you never see whether she still has a hubbie, so why not?

What floors me is that, he's literally known Odette for their entire lives, and legitimately struggles to find a non-superficial reason to love her. That, and from their teenage years into young adulthood, Odette seems to have retained none of the wit, confidence, or humor that we saw in This is My Idea. Remember girls, you can be either a person or you can be beautiful - both is not an option.

I loved this movie as a kid. These days I find it to be... okay? It's not my first choice when deciding on something to watch but if it were to be on TV for some reason I'd watch it. "This is my Idea" is the best and my favorite song of the movie. It's realistic to an arranged marriage situation, it's the only point these characters are the most expressive with personality, and it's catchy. If this was a animated short, you could have had this movie end on that song with the "they lived happily ever after" assumption.

I still feel like sawn princess made me realize that being a straight woman ain’t shit bc you’ll just get shacked up to a guy like Derek 😂😅

the way we harmonized while singing to "this is my idea"? my god, i've never had a partner while singing this song and i feel blessed. also... happy birthday!

I remember watching this movie a few times as a kid. I remember liking the build-up to the final moment when Derek and Odette met as adults. I loved seeing the transition song of them growing up. And then thinking the movie just hit a wall after Derek shot himself in the foot haha. Their chemistry never made sense to me and how they were saying they loved each other when there was no romantic build-up. I watched it wondering if there was something I missed. Now the movie Thumbelina was a good one. I remember fawning SO hard over Prince Cornelius. Might have been my first fan art I ever did as a kid hahaha!!

Prince Derek is what happens when a bunch of non-Disney animators look at Gaston and say "let's do that, but skinnier and stupider and pretend he's good".

It’s odd, like theoretically they SHOULD be a really cute couple? Childhood friends/enemies to lovers?? Oddette and Derek have the makings of all my favorite tropes, but they just…completely butchered it…

This movie is SO nostalgic to me, and i am glad so many people remember it and talk about it today too, for the pure nostalgia, despite its flaws. Glad you liked it when you were younger too! And i'm glad that me, you, 98% of your viewers and probably everyone who talks about this movie today agree that Derek doesn't deserve Odette. Like, at all. Also HAPPY BIRTHDAY SOPHIA! It's my birthday too and my name is also Sofia lol

In my opinion I really don't get how Odette loved Derek after he said "what else is there?" like idk that never made sense to me-- there wasn't enough scenes showing them slowly working on their relationship in the movie it was just "i HaTe YoU" "I HaTe YoU Too" *fastfoward* "I LoVe YoU OnLy FoR YoUr BeAuTy" "WhAt tHe FudGe?" *storms out angrily* *Odette gets kidnapped* "OmG I LoVe YoU DeReK I mIsS YoU Sm" like💀💀

Thank you for agreeing with me on the subject of Prince Derek, legit dude was terrible, how the relationship developed seemingly out of nowhere, dude didn't even think to look for her when she went missing. Him and Odette hated each other growing up and all of a sudden he loves her just because she grew up and was beautiful? Definitely giving me red flags. The only reason I think Odette latched on to him in the end was out of desperation, legit no one else was willing to help her even though she knew him only as a jerk before and there was literally no other reason for him to help her so I feel like she felt the need to get with him not out of love just because he saved her. Like who in the hell would want to date a taller version of Lord Farquaad?

Probably one of the rare times I enjoyed the sequels more than I did the original (in a "so bad they're good kinda way") - even if the animation quality was higher in the first one. Also the 6+ sequels they made later I have this weird fascination with. Like the Christmas direct-to-video one is just weirdly so enjoyable lol

Happy Birthday Sophia! And I agree the adult versions of Derek and Odette really didn't line up with their young selves. I wish instead of them instantly loving each other when they saw each other as adults that they had showing them becoming friends from a few summers before and at least writing each other but also Derek not being able to think of a single reason for why he loved Odette made no sense.

This is underrated animated movie that people barley talk about.

I think the BIGGEST Problem with this movie is the fact that they make it about "beauty isn't the only reason to marry someone" but never do we see Derek get to know her other attributes as kindness, being smart, courageous ..ets and THEN fall in love with her. Even the audience, we don't even learn anything about Odette! I think it would have been awesome if Derek realized that he messed up big time when he mistakenly vowed love for the black swan JUST because she is beautiful and never realized she wasn't Odette because he didn't spend enough time with her to marry her. They should have left it as an open but optimistic ending, or maybe show us that they got to spend time together and fall in love truly.

What’s worse is that they basically were together every summer of their life, they had a good build up at the very beginning, the possible love story was gifted to the writers on a silver platter

The fact that Odette actually tried to be nice at first, and Derek runs away and yet everyone acts like they both were bad is laughable. It’s not rivalry, it’s bullying

Girl, you're not alone! I watched this so many times as a kid and I still love it for the nostalgia factor even though I know better now that it's not technically great. Songs = iconic.

18:50 In answer to your question, this movie heavily implies that Odette is unable to speak to people in her swan form, and she is the only one who can communicate with the other animal characters (probably a side-effect of the spell). 🤔 However, this is retconned in the sequels. In the first two sequels, Derek, Odette, Bridget (Rothbart’s former henchwoman), and one of the villains are able to fluently communicate with all of the animal characters (which, to be fair, could be explained by either magic, or Odette teaching them how to understand the animals). Then in the CGI sequels, the animals are able to communicate with anyone. 🙄

your editing of derek getting his ass kicked by the great animal made me laugh so loudly😂😂😂 leader of the derek hate parade

It’s so funny how easy it could have been fixed by just adding some conversations during the childhood or just some looks xxx but now u gotta react to the second

They could've written it so he didn't accept her good qualities until she became attractive in his eyes. It'd be a powerful commentary. I really hope Disney adapts Swan Lake as a musical, but using the original ballet score.

I'm really trying to think of how no one could say Rothbart's name throughout the film. I was waiting for a whole scene or explanation if there was some sort of enchantment or spell that made sure no one could say his name (reverse-Beetleguise) so he'd never be caught. BUT OF COURSE THE FILMMAKERS FORGOT THAT PART APPARENTLY, OR ELSE SOPHIA WOULD'VE POINTED IT OUT. 😫 Edit: I couldn't help but think about the frog honestly. Like 1) as much as he loved Odette, Odette never loved him. Like you probably need true love's kiss and not just a kiss from a princess to break the spell. Duh. and 2) In one version of The Frog Prince, the frog never got kissed to be turned back...he was thrown at the wall by the princess in frustration over all his little menial tasks because he was promised by the princess to help him. Now I'm just thinking of that scenario where (cartoonishly) the frog would just magically get transformed into a prince just by getting thrown at the wall lmao 🤣

If I got you an audition for a Disney princess would you take it? Your singing is so enchanting.. would love to subvert the "Asian female protagonist with dyed hair and strong ties to family" trope again since Turning Red was great

they did odette so dirty in this movie. not just bc of derek, but like, character-wise she became so BORING. what happened to the odette that flirted with guys, got into fights and stood up for herself? we coulda had a futch icon 😔😔😔

The chokehold this movie series had on me as a kid... I swear all i watched was this, Anastasia, and Quest for Camelot. though i gotta admit i was falling hard for Derek when i was young

AU version where the death thing was established earlier like if she doesn't make it back to the lake by midnight or whatever, she dies. And Derek continues to be a dumbass and doesn't realize he made the vow for the wrong girl, and Odette finds a way to break the curse herself just before the time limit. She kills Rothbart herself or something. Happy ending is that she takes all his magic books and becomes a super powerful sorceress queen all on her own. Then end. And she uses her magic to make Jean-Bob human.

I'm a huge Disney fan. This brings me back to my childhood. The fact that you memorized the songs amazes me.

“My hatred of Prince Derek is irrational” Prince Derek: “What else is there?” No, listen to me, it’s completely rational to hate this man

Before I start watching this, just gotta say THE VOW I MADE WAS FOR HERRRRRRR! Thanks for listening.

"You should write a book, how to offend a woman in five syllables or less." Is still one of my favorite lines. Lord Rodgers had the best lines hahahaha

I like this movie (for nostalgic reasons) but I really wished they established the relationship/childhood enemies to crush thing better! Like "This Isn't My Idea of Fun" is my favorite song and basically the only thing I continue to remember from this film years later

I gotta say it, the swedish dub makes Derek suuuuuuch a more likeable character holy shit 😂😂

I love the music in this movie, Prince Derek always pissed me off as a kid with how he treated Odette and his servants. He still pisses me off now but child me was more upset because I thought fictional characters were real people lol

Happy Birthday Sophia! 🥳🥳 I hope you feel all day the way you make us feel when you bless us with an upload! 💖

Why does the “The vow I made was for heeeerrrrr!” Gave me “My name’s not RIIIICK” vibes 😂 The fact that necklace went over the hair, soon after, it’s under the hair. 💀 Okay it’s either the queen had dementia or was immune to the spell with some contrivance, or the dress was oozing of modernism that it made her confused af.

I saw the notification and I was like: "Omg yass queen that's the movie I've been waiting for GO ROAST DEREK" also happy birthday! 🥳

Omg you're literally just one month older than me!! A 97 child 💅 Happy birthday 🎉💕 I wanted to emphasize once again how your videos always give me serenity, especially now that I am in much need of them since I have gone through the big earthquake and endless aftershocks of Turkey - Syria :( Thank you again for your sweet content💖 Love from Syria 🥰

I really miss animation like in older movies like this. I rewatched The Rescuers recently, and man its just gorgeous in such a different way than the computer graphics stuff. That aside, I had forgotten about most of this movie except Odette's transformation scenes. Childhood memory won't let those escape lol.

Listen, even the Swan Princess fandom makes fun of Derek, so you’re not alone lol

Here’s the thing that gets me lol: if Huberta & William wanted to unite their kingdoms, why didn’t THEY get married? Clearly their spouses are gone (interesting that there wasn’t any grieving for Odette’s mom btw), and clearly they at the very least get along very well. Soooooo yeah why waste this time and drama? Except we wouldn’t have a movie. Sighhhhhh

In Derek's defense when he says: what else is there, it was because he realized he was in love with her always but he couldn't articulate why, and he was hoping that she would help him to understand. And that's why when it was brought up again he goes well there's her... and then the way... she literally took his breath away. It is possible to love a person just by seeing them. If you don't believe me explain a mother's love for her newborn child. The child hasn't accomplished anything yet and yet she already loves her child instinctively. I think that was what Derek was trying to say, that he always loved her instinctively deep down but he never realized it until he saw how beautiful she was, and he expressed his love for her in her beauty. He says: you started out as such an ugly duckling, but somehow suddenly became a swan. In the story of The Ugly Duckling the duckling was always a swan. In other words she was always beautiful to him but he never realized it until now.

I love your singing voice Edit: "Can you say Rothbart?" 😂😂😂😂 That gave off Dora the Explorer vibes Edit x2: I am still convinced that Derek didn't love her for her in the end. I think that he was only attracted to her turning into a swan. He wanted the ball swan centric, her wedding dress was swan themed, and they moved to the swan lake after marrying. The second movie is based around him neglecting her after they got married after she became human.

THIS was my childhood staple, like my older sisters always forced me to do Derek's part in Far Longer than Forever. Now I really see it as a flawed, but still enjoyable film, not to mention the music that drives it. Definitely one of the better Disney-esque films. Also, looking forward to more musical reactions! (cuz girl you could like really SING)

The issue with this movie, is that odette also had no reason to fall in love with Derek either. Like, if someone asked her that same question, what would she say??? Because they didn’t fall in love through their childhood. That’s why binding fully understand the hate for Derek. Sure he’s the one who said it out loud, but she only fell in love with him because of his looks too.. she wasn’t in love with him when he was younger and was hoping he would fall in love with her too. And then it was an arranged marriage that neither wanted in the first place.. why do people out so much on Derek, when his answer made sense lol

I’ll be fair, Derek and Odette are a very surface-level couple. 🤷‍♂️ But I honestly prefer this movie’s consistent lack of nuance, over a movie couple that has an engaging relationship practically gift wrapped for it, and still somehow completely misses the mark. 🤦‍♂️ Case and point, Kaley and Garret from Quest For Camelot!

3:00 I think Rothbart is one of the most underrated animated villain performances. 😎 Granted, there’s not much to his grand plan, and he probably should have had more screen time than he got. But, he has some of the best lines in the movie (second only to Lord Rogers) and he delivers them perfectly in a way that’s both hilarious and threatening!

I had the Odette Barbie as a kid but I've really only seen this maybe 15x as opposed to the 100+ of most Disney Princess films. Happy birthday, princes! You have the most beautiful voice and I love how you always sing along with the songs during your reactions which makes them unique and special 🥰✨ I hope your day is as lovely as you! Mwah! 💕

The universe wanted me to know today was a Swan Princess day because the practice song came into my head out of nowhere like an hour ago. I hope you had a lovely birthday and, yes, Derek is a complete tool but I bet he compensates where it counts.

"What else is there?" Largest red flag in a relationship ever in the universe.

this is one of those movies that, when i was little, helped me form from a rat into a human being. but i also have really poor memory so i dont remember any of it LMAOO. i was planning on rewatching it to reconnect with that part of my childhood, but im so glad you made a video reviewing it, because now i dont have to suffer through my derek hate alone KJDSKDSK

I don’t if anyone has said this yet but can we talk about how pretty Sophia’s singing voice is because, omg!

why does him not being able to describe her as more than just "pretty" reminds me of Alladin describing Jasmin as "beautiful" 🤔

Sophia: *starts to sing in a video.* Me: *lifts my lighter and sways*

While the movie was fun I was always salty that they didn’t die like they do in the ballet…the scene is so dramatic and beautiful yet in this somehow Dereck manages to live 😤 😂

I HATE DEREK EEUHHHH HE IS SO ANNOYING BRO THAT ONE SCENES “your all I’ve ever wanted,your beautiful,but what else?is beauty all that matters to you?” DEREK WAS SPEECHLESS?BUT WHAT ELSE IS THERE?BRO?

My favorite clip was during the "My idea of fun" Uberta talks about how they're getting along, while Odette is trying to strangle Derek in the background. I hate how "My Idea of fun" was years worth of development for Odette and Derek, only to be pretty much meaningless throughout the movie. Derek couldn't even think of ways to describe her till the end, and even then we didn't really get to see it that much. Also, why couldn't Odette's father say Rothbart took her, and is using dark magic. Im willing to beleive she started feeling something for him first and was waiting for him to reciprocate, only to be disappointed whith the "What else is there?" line.

This movie was so weird! I always wondered why the king and queen didn't just marry. Derek was awful. It was just all so silly. But this makes me want to write a retelling of this story and either redeem Derek somehow or have Odette fall for someone else...

just HEARING-- the name “rothbart” makes me literally DIE of laughter, its just such a funny name

I think the best way to describe the story is that it's very "boomer" in terms of lessons. The writers could've taken the time to make a better story and give Derek a way to really redeem himself in terms of character. Rothbart's "evil plan" made really no sense in any regard. I guess the writers were like "fack it, it's a kid's movie, they won't care too much about plot and growth or lessons". EDIT: Scratch that, it was ONE writer. I don't think he had much people take a look at his script.

I watched this a few times as a child and I'm sure it was purely for visual reasons. I distinctly remember kinda having a hyperfixate on the way Odette's hair was animated/how it moved so smoothly, to the point of being a core memory lol

“Is see him smiling and my knees start buckling. I see inside him and my doubts are gone.” “SHE STARTED OUT AS SUCH AN UGLY DUCKLING” The difference is…..

Derek: I want white roses Servants: We’re painting the roses white painting the roses white

I think maybe Derek’s character would’ve been better if he had a solo during the ✨Practice✨ song, where he sang about how scared he was to tell Odette how he loved her, how she was so intelligent and charming, and how he had to safe his one true love. Idk, you’ve really opened my eyes about how awful Derek is, nostalgia clouded my judgement 🫣.

The funny thing is I have nostalgia for the 2nd movie as it was the only I had. I would constantly watch and when I got older it was like - why'd you watch this little me? It was bad 😂 But I'd really like Sophia to check out the second one two. It would be nice

First of all, Happy Birthday!🎉 Thank you so much for the smiles and laughter your videos bring!💝 Second of all, this movie is one of my favorite childhood movies!! Me and my sisters used to watch it all the time on VHS (also the 2nd and 3rd one)! To this day we will still randomly start singing Far Longer Than Forever from time to time. I even baught it on DVD so I can watch it whenever. Looking back on it as an adult there are definitely some things I whished were different but it still has a special place in my heart❤ Also that crown with your hair looks amazing! And with that voice!? hello?! A real disney princess is walking among us!

I'm realizing this movie does a lot of telling us Odette and Derek are in love rather than showing us that they are, which isn't as effective. First song is still a banger though.

Happy Birthday, Sophia!!🥳omg, this movie brings me soooo much nostalgia! ...and a reminder that I had a crush on Derek🤢💀like just why?? 😂look at his hair--

Happy birthday! I think the French frog is because frog legs are a commonly known French delicacy. that's the only reason I could think of lol

Its funny how Odette had a swan themed wedding, got married in the dress Rothbart designed for her, and then moved in to his castle.

No, but I swear Derek gets WORSE in the second movie. Odette sings a whole song about how he doesn’t love her anymore and doesn’t spend any time with her.

Busting out the tiara, I like it! Happy Birthday, Sophia! this is also a movie I watch with nostalgia glasses. the song "Practice" lives rent free in my brain, sometimes.

This movie needs a major rewrite And Luckily I have a fool proof revision idea To make it more logical I thought of this as a mini series format or novel series Volume 1 could be them as children being enemies to eachother as well as a portion of volume 2 where they are pre teens The rest of volume 2 and a portion of volume 3 where they are teenagers could be them being frenemies (not actual friends but at the point where they actually start to respect each other) Then the rest of volume 3 could be them finally becoming best friends (maybe friends with benefits hey they're going through puberty we might as well have some benefits going on) Then volume four is where they are at the actual age they are in the movie where they're actual lovers with real chemistry

I don’t take these characters too seriously for myself rewatching this movie TODAY-it pokes fun at its caricatures-but in the spirit of “hating” Prince Derek: At the end of the movie, he tells Odette he admires her kindness and courage, which seems to speak more to how she supports HIM. How would he know what kindness and courage she demonstrated for others (her best friends, the turtle, frog, and puffin). She’s also smart, clever, and feisty-she beat him at all the games and slyly returned his physical pranks. That Derek keeps around the same halfwitted guy (who is no match to Derek in chess, hunting, or c- c- c- courage) for his friend makes me want to psychoanalyze him.

Fun fact: Richard Rich was a Disney Animator and then he was fired from Disney in the mid 80’s because Peter Schneider who was Vice President of Disney Animation at the time had issues with him. Liz Callaway also did the singing voice for Jasmine for The Return of Jafar and Aladdin and The King of Thieves and the singing voice for Kiara in The Lion King II Simba’s Pride