I'm gonna say the Renault should have yielded at the start of the video due to the cammer already made their move, indicating and moving, being on the main road before the Renault got to the junction and filtering in behind the van.

I liked your casual Sunday driving style atmosphere in this video as if to say "i'm not lecturing people i'm just aiding them to a better chilled outcome at crossroads."

lol the suspense when you get out the car and start the video, love it

I think the decent thing to do is help out the vehicle turning right. They need two gaps, the left turner only needs one. A small act of consideration and kindness that is lacking in so much of modern life.

That's news to me; when I was taught to drive any car going straight across at a Crossroads had priority over those turning right. And it was in the Highway Code; so that's changed.

Here in NZ, the person turning left has priority over the person turning right. Unless there's a stop sign - in which case the person with the stop sign gives way to the person with the giveway sign. If there's no lines or signage, you just treat it like a mini roundabout.

Often if I see another car arriving opposite before I've got there myself, I'll stop a little short of the give way line to help indicate that I'm not intending to pull out, then I'll pull forward up to the line once they've gone so any cars behind them can see I'm intending to go next if possible. I think this is a handy addition as people are much more likely to see what the car is doing than what I'm doing inside it

"I have priority" "I have new socks on" In the event of a crash, both these things are the same... Take it slow, be courteous and give as much information as you want to take from others.

In Australia it is very explicit. Traffic turning left or going straight over the intersection has priority over traffic turning right. I lived in the UK for 30 years and always assumed the same rule applied.

IF IN DOUBT, let "them" go first!

Cheers, Ashley. These tips are very helpful. Keep em’ coming.👍

Well explained Ashley. It was clear to me that the cammer in the first clip was not in the wrong. Simply put, if you arrive at give way lines, you must ensure it is safe to join the road before you try and join it. The fact that it is a crossroads does not change this simple rule, and you are not entitled to ignore any vehicles coming from the opposite junction for this reason! The fact that some people appear to have different ideas is indeed concerning. As you always say, one must never forget to apply a bit of common sense to such a situation.

Bikers make sure they’ve been seen, eye contact is key or a clear decisive “ after you” gesture, they go , the risk disappears and you’ve got the road go yourself. And often if you’ve let one person go and then begin to move, the person behind them knows it’s your turn. But always be ready to abort the mission !

Never knew no one has priority! I honestly always thought it went like this: * If you’re turning left and the car approaching opposite is turning their right (Your left), you would have priority as the road is closest to you. I feel like most people seem to go with this logic. * If you’re turning left and they’re turning their left or you’re both going straight on, then it doesn’t matter anyway as you’ll both be able to clear at the same time (which is so satisfying when it happens smoothly in sync lol) * If you’re turning right and they’re turning their left, they have priority as the road is closer to them. * If you’re going straight on but they’re turning their right, again you have priority as you can clear quicker. * If they’re going straight on and you’re turning your right, they have priority. Of course the important thing is good observation and communication with other drivers.

I think most people forget but the rules in The Highway Code do not give you the right of way in any circumstance, but they do advise you when you should give way to others, always give way if it can help to avoid an incident, nobody has the priority to do any particular turn but road signs and road markings will remind a driver when they need to give way, give way simply means give way to the main carriageway but if you think about it it’s very easy and very simple, say for example you’re at a protected right turn waiting to turn right, vehicles turning left and going straight on don’t need to cross the path of anyone so they can just go but turning right you’re crossing the path of the vehicles turning left and going straight on so right turning traffic always need to wait for a safe gap in the traffic before making their turn.

I sometimes struggle when the opposite car and I are both turning right and I'm trying to telepathically tell the other driver that I think a nearside-to-nearside (or an offside-to-offside) pass is appropriate. It's difficult sometimes with just eye contact.

My first full day of driving in Florida a couple of years ago (I'm from UK). I pull up at a crossroads where the side road I'm on crosses a dual carriageway (3 lanes each side with a central waiting area). I needed to turn left across to the far carriageway. The central waiting area is clear, but over the other side, waiting in the side road and wanting to cross the carriageway to turn left, is a big artic (semi). I realised that if I moved to the central waiting area, the artic would likely move at the same time and we'd block each other in the middle as the artic would need lots of space. So I waited for the truck to turn first. After a few seconds the local woman in the car behind (I think her name was Karen), pulled out around me and proceeded to cross to the central waiting area - just as the truck pulled out too. They blocked each other in the middle and she had to shuffle her car back & forth to create enough room for the truck to turn before she could turn behind it. She was still waiting in the centre when I pulled up next to her after the truck had gone... I think in the clip above, the Renault driver doesn't look around their huge A pillar I think.

Lovely British ambiguity in traffic law

Ashley, you mentioned in your clip about "right of way". The Highway code states that nobody has right of way, always be prepared to give way if it would help avoid an incident. Local knowledge helps but it can also be a hindrance. My advice to drivers has always been, "just be positive in what your doing, then everybody else knows what your intentions are ".

Interesting. I have no idea where I got it from but I've always thought that the more while lines you have to cross the lower your "priority". So turning left you cross one set of lines so priority over someone turning right or straight over. Turning right you cross two line (give way and central white line) so have priority over those going straight across as they would have to cross three (their give way line, the central white line and the white line to enter the other road... ) Maybe the American 4 way stop is better... 😱

I always thought it was give way to people coming from the right (ie right turners have priority over left turners), so it was helpful to have this corrected, thanks.

0:15 The camcar is, at this point, on the priority road, and the Renault should give way at the line.

Agree the need to use eye contact and be courteous. That said, I was taught that turning left would have priority by default. Over the years I have been driving I came up with a rule of thumb: that the driver who needs to cross fewer white lines has priority unless road signs state otherwise. It's remarkably robust and also explains the paralysis that can occur at mini-roundabouts or crossroads when both drivers want to turn right, since priorities are equal

In Hungary when in a junction two cars meet and supposedly have the same priority, or lack thereof, the one turning tighter (making a right) is prior to the one turning left. (mind you, we drive on the opposite side). I would have guessed that the same applies here, although the other way around.. Again, awareness, willingness to submit is a key factor of being safe, keeping others safe and serving a healthy flow of traffic.

In the clip at the beginning of this video I don't think the cammer did anything wrong. They let the van go, then they went and the other car pulled out as the cammer had almost completely made his manoeuvre. The cammer was already on the road and almost passed before the other car even crossed the give way lines. My train of thought in this situation has always been to give priority to the vehicle already making the manoeuvre. Put succinctly, wait your bloody turn! lol

I'm so glad to be back to driving lessons 😎hopefully next month I will be pass☺

Very interesting, in an ideal world the car with the easiest manoeuvre would go first, but when they're hesitant, that's when we get into complications. I actually didn't know before watching this video that neither driver has priority, I always assumed priority was in the order of the car turning left, then the car going straight on, and then the car going across traffic.

Theres a little crossroad up the road from me where all 4 directions has give a way sign. When there’s cars in all 4 directions it’s like the cemetery stand off in the good the bad & the ugly.

I feel you should do a video on etiquette when coming across a funeral cortege when driving

Once again a very clear and concise video Ashley

Great points raised, i have the mindset of not having priority at a give way crossroads. The roads in my area are rural, speeds are disproportionately faster, having an attitude other than the above will definitely lead to problems. Even when approaching a crossroads where I don't have to give way, I always reduce my speed accordingly.

As a matter of courtesy I would normally allow the other vehicle to proceed before me if they had arrived first at a junction. I call it "good manners". Admittedly that doesn't always work out when a timid/hesitant driver is within the scenario..... someone eventually has to make a move. Good content as always. Even an old dog can learn new tricks 😚. Stay safe everyone 👍

Cammer had joined the main carriageway and the Renault has to give way to them surely?

YES, this is what my instructor taught me to do... make eye contact with the other driver, and decide who's going. Obviously flashing is wrong, for reasons you've covered, but a simple palms up hand gesture saying 'after you' can work wonders :)

when there is no priority, then I always say, a short turn precedes a long turn. If it is now the case that the 1 wants to turn left and the other right then (if possible) you go around each other, or along each other, if this is not possible then be a gentleman or a lady in traffic, and give the other right of way with a hand gesture. That way, no one is waiting unnecessarily, and traffic flows faster.

If there's someone across from me i will often just simple put out my hand infront of me or hold back slightly. If i am giving way to the opposite side i will simply make no action to move until they've done their manoeuvre

I thought it was the person who arrived first. So thanks. Better driver than I was 5 mins ago. 👍

If you arrive and intend turning right imagine the give way isn't there. If a car opposite wants to go straight on work on letting them, just as you would if turning right off a main road to a side road.

If turning, I generally give priority to the car going straight ahead, but if going straight, I generally take priority. I honestly thought this is how it worked as there is one right by me that has always seemed to work that way for both parties so I assumed it was a given rule. If both turning, I take it slow

Hey! Here in Spain, you give way to the one on your right (by law). So, in the first clip, the Renault should have gave way to the cammer, as he was on the Renault's right. When the van and the black car stopped, both of them hesitating, for us in Spain is easy: the van had the right of way, as he was approaching the main road from the black cars' right (keep in mind we drive on the right side of the road, but these examples work the same way anyway)

Looking carefully a number of times at the first video, I don’t think the Renault drivers observations were very good and locked onto what the vehicle in front was doing and not being very aware of other vehicles in the junction the camer was emerging from.

I grew up in a countrywith lots of four way crosses. It was always order of entry with common sense involved. same rule applied to these type 2 way crosses. Everyone was familiar with them so everyone knew what to do

I look at it that give way to the right.

It amazes me how many people don’t understand this, not trying to name and shame anyone but even in Zondo Driving’s latest video he approached a crossroads wanting to turn right and he said because the van driver opposite wanted to go straight on he said he has priority which is incorrect, at the very beginning of the Highway Code the very first sentence says “nobody has the right of way in any situation but road markings and road signs will tell you when you should give way”, as Ashley correctly said, if you’re crossing the path of someone generally you’re going to let them go first but it’s not a rule so as Zondo was crossing the path of the van he correctly gave way to the van but he was incorrect in saying that because the van was going straight on he had priority, like Ashley correctly said, with the give way lines on both sides all that means is that both side road must give way to traffic already on the main road, side to side there is no priority and eye contact between a decision has to be made as to who would like to go first, it’s courteous to let the vehicle who has been waiting the longest go first but it’s not a rule, it’s the same for a crossroads with or without a central reservation, it’s the same with any junction, the minor road must give way to the main road, the main road always has priority over the minor road but apart from that, like it says in the Highway Code, nobody has priority, you just need to remember that on any junction that you come up to, if you’re crossing the path of someone then generally you’re going to let them go first but it’s not a rule.

Difficult but I would say the Renault. While I agree with you, the cammer was already accross the central line and almost cossing the opposite "Give Way" when the Renault tried to push out. Another thing i remember from anchient times is what they called The Golden Rule "always give way to the right" In this case the cammer was the vehicle on the right.

i believe that crossing would benefit having stoplights... has a lot of traffic.

Similar in many ways to the American four way stop - they look complicated but are really straightforward in operation.

It looks like a case of locking-on by the white Renault - he accelerated instead of moving slowly to look right. A pity we can't see his head to find out where he was looking.

Pretty similar situation to when there are 3 cars all waiting for eachother at a mini roundabout. They're always awkward 😅

Or, some of those wonderful dual-carriageway centre gaps, where someone is waiting to make a turn from the gap across the other carriageway to a side road, and someone else arrives into the gap from the opposite direction. As they come close, stale-mate. They are both blocking each other's view of the carriageway and are unable to move safely.

I'm of the opinion that if you are behind the give way line you are safe. Anyone beyond the give way is either in motion or changing direction of travel and should be allowed to continue to do so because they are in a less protected position i.e the central reservation of the dual carriageway. If they can complete what they are doing then that leaves you open to start and complete your maneuver safely. Although being aware of other drivers and their intentions can and does change my approach to this.

The road from the village I live in crosses a main road, all with 60mph limit. In the morning there's often an almost constant stream of traffic on the main road and queues build up on both sides. With fast traffic from both directions and cars opposite it's difficult to both watch the traffic and make eye contact with the driver opposite. There's been a fatal accident almost every year that I've lived here and several times a year the road is closed for accident recovery. If there's someone waiting opposite, I wait at least a car's length behind the give way line to make it clear to the other driver that I will wait for them to go. If there's a queue, when I'm second in line to go, I don't move when the car in front of me clears the junction, to give the same message. It means they can concentrate on the high speed traffic on the main road. As soon as they enter the junction, I move quickly up to the line, so that the remaining drivers can see I'm not hesitant, just generous. I know it's not in the highway code, but I think it's pretty hard to misinterpret. It's often reciprocated - although there are plenty of drivers who always try and force they way out. It very rarely holds me up by more than a few cars in the queue and if everyone did it, it would save time (as well as accidents).

100% agree with you there , also it depends on who likes their car or not !! Also should we test what the insurance company states and then all the complications from that !! 🤔Not worth it . 👍

I usually base it on who is closest/who has to cross lanes. I would also prioritise the person who arrived first. As with everything, you cannot assume other drivers will do that.

Thanks for this video, I wasn't 100% clear on situations like this, and turns out makes sense because there are actually no 'official' rules for who goes first. Like most other commenters here I have generally treated it as those that are going straight or left go before those turning right. With regards to that first clip, the cammer was already on the move and had moved well onto the road before the other driver even reached the give way line, so I think it's crazy they felt they had the right to just barrel straight onto the road without giving way and even having the audacity to beep! I know that's kind of opposite to what I was just saying above, but that has always been based on when two people are already sat at the give way line! That the other driver expected the cammer to be giving way to vehicles that hadn't yet arrived at the junction is a bit bonkers. I think you could even go as far to argue the cammer at that point that point had joined the main road, so there are official rules at that point - the other driver needs to give way to traffic on the road they are joining, and failed to do so.

4:23 This is one of the reasons that I hate the terms 'Right of way' and 'Priority'. The rules of the road tell people to 'give way' in certain circumstances, there is no right of way, but talk of it gives people the impression that they have it, and they drive like that is a thing. How many times do we see people charging on to roundabouts, or across junctions, even though it clearly isn't safe to do so? All because of some misguided belief that they have this 'priority' or 'right of way'. We need to get out of that mindset and realise when we must, or should, give way, and look for, and anticipate, when others will not.

I’m of the opinion that if a car is stopped on the central res, you should let them go first, firstly because they could be blocking the direction you intended to go, secondly they could have a longer vehicle which is causing an obstruction on the other side of the road and lastly I just see it as common curtesy.

0:39 CHILD: “Mum? Why is that big man talking to his car?” MUM: “Don't mind him. He is the boogeyman for bad drivers.” CHILD: “And you're not scared of him?” But seriously, great video, Ashley. Very informative. Crossroads can be complicated. This video will help people. 👌 Hehe, these crossroads are essentially a personification of my social life - awkward pauses and waiting for people to make the first move. The last clip sums it up. 😂

The Renault driver may have made a classic mistake where they look both ways, but wasn't checking ahead. With the road opposite being small, it may have seemed like a regular T-junction. In any case, there is a little trick I learnt to some degree by a past mistake where I was at a T-junction, but a car parked in an opposite driveway pulled out (I think they should have waited, but that's not relevant, because I feel I could have done better). Fortunately, no collision, or even a fuss, as both had enough space to clear each other... just. Took me by surprise, but since then, remembered my driving instructor said many years ago, you can 'sweep look': As you turn your head between left and right, glance at a few points ahead.

The first cammer might have been in the Renault’s A-pillar blind spot

The white Renault definitely at fault. By the time the cammer has pulled out, he/she is in the driving lane therefore has right of way

This all makes good sense. I honestly thought 'straight on' had priority over an oncoming 'right turn'. I could do with reading the highway code again, it has been a while.

It seems crazy there are no given rules on this. It leads to the indecision we see on nearly all the clips in this great video. Indecision often leads to disaster. I was taught to assume the same rules as if you were approaching traffic on the main road. You wouldn't cross their path. You would wait for them to turn left before turning right and following them. Etc. This is common sense. Having said this I never assume the other driver is going to do the common sense thing in situations like this. I find such situations uncomfortable and this stems from there being no rules. Similar to situations on mini roundabouts where you get a standoff where everyone has equal priority. Box junctions in the USA work well where it is first arrives gets priority but can't see it working here with the aggressive attitude many drivers have here.

It’s strange to me that there are no rules governing this. In my country, whoever goes straight has priority over who’s turning, and inside turn has priority over outside turn. I’ve never encountered the problems with indecisiveness shown in this video.

Very sensible approach I think, though in the first clip the Renault was definitely in the wrong as the cammer was already in motion and was in the main carriageway before the Renault crossed the give way.

I always thought the vehicle turning left had priority, mainly because the vehicle opposite has to cross the other side of the road to join the one I'm emerging on to. Food for thought though.

The law (section 25(2) of The Traffic Signs Regulations and General Directions 2002) is quite clear on the matter of priority. If there is a give way line in front of you they you do not have priority and it is an offence to cause any vehicle on the main road to change course or speed to avoid an accident". So to cross the give way line you have to be sure that there is no other vehicle in your path.

@2:17 In Canada, specifically the province of BC, there are some rules that clearly state who has the right of way. "if one of the vehicles is already entering the intersection, the driver of the other vehicle must stop and yield the right of way to the entering vehicle while it is proceeding into or across the intersection." Also, there is section 174 of the MOTOR VEHICLE ACT (MVA) which practically states the same thing. www.bclaws.gov.bc.ca/civix/document/id/complete/statreg/96318_05#section174

well that's interesting point of view although personally I was always treating crossroads literally like crossing of 2 roads(in this case one has to give way to other) so if there is nothing on main road then second road(with give way lines) I would treat turning left or right like any other turn from main road. But honestly I like reasoning that nobody has priority!

Yet another brilliant class, top drawer!

Hmm. I've always treated these as a bit of a mini-roundabout and given way to the vehicle turning right. This just works with my brain where I don't have to switch concepts. In any event, I never assume priority at such junctions. Mostly though, people can work out what the other is doing, by and large, drivers are still decent folk. It gets difficult at very busy junctions so if someone is turning right, I will try to turn left when I have a gap but they don't. With dual-carriageways, I've assumed the driver in the middle to already be on the major road and just let them go. The last thing I want is to be stuck on the carriageway with nowhere to go and I'm pretty sure they don't either.

Before watching: at a crossroads, through traffic has priority. If 2 vehicles are waiting to cross / join the through traffic, neither of them have priority over the other one also waiting. Personally, i judge it based on who’s been waiting at the give ways the longest is the one who should go, unless traffic conditions dictate otherwise. - Now watching - Cammer had joined the road, Renault was still behind give ways, so cammer had priority. Renault should have opened their eyes and assessed the situation before pulling out and honking when they were the one at fault in this situation - finished - Yep, looks like I was correct. The main but I forgot to mention was communication between the two waiting drivers, essentially asking each other for permission to go, and either have it be accepted (no motion from the one giving way) or rejected (creep from the one wanting to go first)

In some regards this doubt of priority is safer for everyone, it slows people down, they have to think harder than usual, they have to communicate better to other road users and more often there is co-operation . Taking a positive action to another road user be that a wave to allow them to turn across or a flash of the lights or even a move of the head with the hand to say 'you first' means the 'problem' is resolved and in an equitable fashion. Taking the lead regards the situation and that being a positive one hopefully might rub off on the other driver that they might do likewise no matter what type of road user you are, this leads to safer roads and generally more convivial for all of us. When I'm cycling I do love the 'mexican standoff' at miniroundabouts when everyone gets there at the same time, for me I'm 99% the one to decide to go to break the stalemate and then everyone else can then take their turn regards priority. Just taking your time, being a bit considerate to others makes things so muc easier, sadly people simply won't cede even if that's actually better for everyone or want to bully their way in for a cars length like the white Renault driver at the beginning of the video.

Another way to consider these priorities is to treat every Give Way leg like they make up an uncontrolled crossroads. After giving way to all road users on the major road, you should negotiate priority with other drivers at their Give Way line. Of course no one has right of way at an uncontrolled crossroads and it would be foolish to assume otherwise. So how could this situation be seen any differently?

A little common sense and courtesy goes a long way to making the situation easier, unless you're the "sod it" me first type!!

The white Renault at the start is at fault, the cammer was already entering the junction as the Renault crossed the give way lane.

Other guy already pushed out the renault should have waited as he wasnt even at the giveway line still. Even if he has right of way as the road is on his sign he still has to giveway if someone else has already pulled out a long time before him

I got the impression that the van in the last clip ‘forced’ the car to turn left before allowing the car in the central reservation to turn right. I am always careful to note the opposing driver’s positioning in the lane, to give an indication of their intent, and if in doubt, let them go first.

Maybe there is some confusion over 'no priority' and 'no rules for crossroads' etc because in the highway code, crossroads are mostly covered by rules for junctions (as a crossroads is a junction), not specific crossroads rules. Timing is important here and two different cases actually help crossroads to run quite efficiently, if everyone follows the rules - which do exist! In this case the give way signs are the main factor. Highway Code Rule 171 (give way signs): 'You MUST give way to traffic on the main road'. The Cammer was already on the main road a long time before the Renault, so the Renault should have given way. The Renault tried to muscle in, timed it badly, and got upset. If we assume we're talking about two cars opposite each other on minor roads with give way lines in front of them, with one wanting to turn right and one wanting to turn left simultaneously (and the main road is clear or not a factor), then it's reasonably clear, but the opposite is true. Unfortunately, this situation isn't spelled out explicitly in the highway code (I think this is a mistake, by the way) but the HC rules and law add up to the same thing, and it is specifically covered in the DVSA Driving book. The HC rules on junctions cover all junctions and do not specify which part of the junction you are on. Rule 180 on turning right says 'wait until there is a safe gap between you and any oncoming vehicle'. It also says 'take great care when turning into a main road; you will need to watch for traffic in both directions and wait for a safe gap' So turning right has a great responsibility for giving way to other traffic. On the other hand, rules 182 and 183 for turning left have no such stipulations and only mention watching out for traffic coming up on your left hand side and giving way to vehicles using a bus lane, cycle lane, cycle track or tramway. The DVSA 'Driving' book gives this advice: 'If you are turning left or going straight on you should proceed with extra caution and make sure no vehicle no vehicle from the opposite direction is going to cross your path' and 'If you're turning right and the other vehicle is going ahead or turning left you should normally wait for the other vehicle to clear the junction before you make your turn'. So, if you're turning right in this instance, you should give way to opposing traffic turning left or going straight on. If you follow these two instances through logically, it actually ends up (mostly) in cars - in queues, on opposing minor roads - taking it in turns, which is a nice peaceful resolution. However, none of this accounts for idiots and I agree - the best way forward is mutual agreement and particular caution, whenever that is possible. (the junction in the video looks quite wide, and with everything going on, that easier said than done). The HC (146) only specifies 'no priority' for unmarked junctions (in side roads and country lanes).

That's interesting. Here in Germany at crossroads it depends on where you want to go whether you have priority or not. If you want to go left (on left-hand traffic), you have priority over a car from the opposite direction going right. This is basically similar to what you said about if you have to cross the path of another car. In that sense, the Renault had priority because the Renault and the cammer both had the same level of priority, but the cammer went right. Just because you are first on the priority road, doesn't give you automatic priority in my book. I don't really see how that is different to crossroads with traffic lights when turning right, where you have to give priority to all cars incoming from the opposite direction, no matter whether they go straight or turn left. Isn't that the rule in UK? Would be strange if that only applied to crossroads with traffic lights. On a lot of driving school pages from the UK, it is described like this for crossroads. I haven't found any applicable rule from the Highway Code though. That's really odd.

Would it not be better to treat it as if there were traffic lights on both junctions and the lights were on green. Therefore the priority would be given to the vehicles in that particular scenario

Cammer at start shouldn't have crossed the give way line: left turns have priority over right turns. The renault made it closer than it needed to be though.

It's really interesting with these, personally I've always imagined there's an invisible roundabout in the middle and just treated it the same (OBVIOUSLY bearing in mind traffic coming from the left, i.e. "first exit" is not and does not give way...) giving way to the right with there being a central fulcrum. Obviously you can't use a mini-roundabout sensibly without tempering speed and decisions to the traffic so the same goes for this. Is there any harm in seeing a right turn here as taking the 3rd exit? If 2 vehicles arrive at once, both intending right turns, technically if they give the fulcrum a decent berth, they can set off together and will always be on the opposite side of the imaginary roundabout to one another...

I have a cross roads similar to this near our house. If there's already a car waiting at the opposite side then I hold back from the line slightly to make it obvious that I'm letting them go

Cammer was already on the main road before the Renault got to the give way lines, so I'd say the Renault was at fault.

You need to have a rule. "I don't see it that way" is not good enough.

Priority must be given and not taken, whether you’re doing the right thing or not you always have to think to yourself what if someone has a different opinion, that’s why it’s so important to read each and every situation, at the beginning of the clip the cammer had already crossed over the give way lines before the white Renault reached the give way lines on their side therefore the white Renault was at fault because the cammer was already on the main road, the white Renault should have held back and waited since the cammer made the first move, yes, the give way lines at the side simply mean both side roads have to give way to traffic already on the main road, when there are cars at both side roads and there is nothing on the main road like you said nobody has priority and eye contact and a decision has to be made as to who would like to make the first move, yes, if you are crossing the path of someone you’re going to let them go first but it’s not a rule, it’s courteous to let the car who has been waiting the longest go first, going straight have first priority, turning left has second priority and turning right has last priority so yes, if going straight to turning left I’d try to make the first move but it depends on what the car from the other side wanted to do, if you were crossing their path I’d try to get them to go first, it’s the same with a crossroads with a central reservation in the middle, like you said the people in the middle tend to clear before cars from the outside enter which is safer and best traffic flow.

In the last clip where the Van was creeping up with the car did this influence/intimidate the driver in front to move to the center. I'm for the car that is already in the carriage way to have priority though but it is not a clean and cut case in every scenario. It is a bit like a mini roundabout with cars at every approach at the same distance, at least one car crossing another cars direction. The mini roundabout is too small so who goes first not helped by the fact of lack of signals, confusing signals and even if people are signalling it is not always clear or guaranteed what their actual intentions are.

Only watched 20 seconds, so I don't know what Ashley is about to say on it. However in this very case I'd say the cammer is more in the right than the Renault. The van and the cammer were both at the giveway line at the same time, they gave way correctly with the van turning left first. The cammer reached and went over the give way line before the Renault got to the give way line, therefor on the Renault reaching the give way line, they should give way. However in a situation where they are both at the give way line at the same time, then left turner / ahead have priority over right turners. Also in a situation like this where it may not be easy to due a right turn due to heavy traffic, then those with an easy turn (i.e. left) should allow right turns to go in front of them where possible to make their lives easier. Treat others like you would like to be treated. Time to resume the video and see what Ashley has to say.

Creeping and pulling out slowly helps.

There should be a rule for this. I would assume that whomever crosses the give way line first has priority from traffic on the opposite side.

"I had right of way" Right of way doesn't mean what you think it means, and you didn't have what you think you had. A right of way is there, but it means a way over which the public may pass and repass as of right. It doesn't mean somebody else has to give way to you. Only one sign in the Traffic Signs Manual substantively attributes priority to somebody (blue sign with a white arrow up and opposing red arrow;sign 881A, chapter 3 of the TSM). All other signs require you to _give_ priority... which is different. The only reason that sign exists is because it is the only way a driver would know the other person is expecting to give way to them, and the whole thing would come to a stop. It is deductive to assume priority, because no sign actually gives the priority. On a minor-to-major road, where a give way sign/marking exists, the vehicle on the minor road user must give way. Nothing gives priority to the vehicle on the major road. Of course it doesn't! If a car happens to be there, there is no priority that allows him to carry on anyway. However, a priority may be assumed as long as it is safe to proceed. In the original video example, the 2nd oncoming emerging vehicle should have given way, because the camera car was on the major road, albeit having turned out of the opposing road. It clearly was not safe for the 2nd oncoming vehicle to proceed, and he had a give way line to cross: “no vehicle may proceed past the transverse line which is the nearer to the major road into that road in a manner or at a time likely to endanger the driver of, or any passenger in, a vehicle on the major road or to cause the driver of such a vehicle to change its speed or course in order to avoid an accident.” (TSRGD 2016 Schedule 9 Part 7 Para 7). Effectively, the dilemma of resolving the 'who goes first?' question at opposing minor roads of a marked junction is therefore resolved partly by non-verbal negotiation, and subsequently by first-to-proceed onto the major road. The safe driver never assumes the outcome of the question has been resolved to everybody's satisfaction.

The Renault was still miles behind the Give Way markings and should have stayed behind and actually GIVEN WAY. The footage is quite clear, the cammer was on the main road and had almost completed its turn BEFORE the Renault had even got to the markings for the GIVE WAY Pause as 0:17, the Renault is still behind the Give Way line.

If that had resulted in a collision I would have blamed the driver of the white Renault. The reason is that the cammer pulls out and so does the van opposite . The cammer was already on the road that has priority while the white Renault was still behind the give way line. Therefore in my view the cammer had right of way . Ultimately though to prevent accidents observation is key and maybe some sort of acknowledgement . For example I may point at a driver then use an open hand in the direction the other driver was going to let him know I was letting him . The driver of the white Renault was just trying to floor it out . He tried to come out so fast there is no way he made all the necessary observations . He was impatient .

I find that some people are impatient so if I just stay still and see what happens and 90% of the time the opposing vehicle makes a move.

With the first clip from a personal opinion a crossroad should be treated almost like a zipper/merge-in-turn situation. Simply put if 4 vehicles are facing each other 2 on one side and 2 on the other one set of cars on the "west" side of the junction and vice-versa they would merge out, given that it is save to do so etc; West, East, West, East. I mention the first clip because it was Van, Cammer, Renault in my opinion. This seems to work better late at night or in lower traffic areas where there are large gaps in traffic on the main road. Anyone got thoughts on this?

The Renault was nowhere near the giveaway road markings, so any perceived priority he thought he had was moot. It’s frankly southern driving (England) habits where give way means barge out in front of an oncoming vehicle.

Out of interest people who didn't know there was no priority at crossroads when did you pass your test? I passed in 2008 and was taught this when I was learning to drive.

Could you do a video about roundabout priority? I don't me the large interchange ones, just the average small roundabout. We all know that it is give way to the right but what do you do if there is a car at each entry point? After all these years I still hesitate. Each driver is waiting for the one to the right to move. In the end, I proceed with caution. It is not as if there is always a priority class road.

The Renault is a car that has design over function form factor. The indicators are so far back from the sides that they cannot easly be seen if you are looking at even a slight angle such as in this case. A clear indication from the Renault driver would have helped i feel. However it just looks like someone is having a bad day, a lot of fuss over nothing. I don`t know why car manufactures seem compelled to put more of the light profile on the side of the cars than on the front these days.