I love drumming as you can tell from my channel's 1000 videos. I refer to that chunk-a sound on the hi-hat as pumping the 1\8s or 1\16s because it is the motion of pumping water from a well, using the wrist & arm in a wave like Moeller taught. It's very efficient to move as a wave. "Tension is evil" (like a taskmaster whipping you to make bricks with less straw), so you have to stay "loose as a goose." Fun!

This is an excellent video. I am 67 years old and the push pull came naturally to me through time but not nearly as clean as you are playing here. I will be working on this everyday. Thank you for this demonstration. Btw, Neil Peart alway said that Tom Sawyer was the most difficult song for him to play because of the 16th notes on the hi hat. Thanks again Stanton!

Gadson’s push pull was something I would watch on vhs and dvd. Once you get it then it’s second nature. You’re dropping knowledge for the next generation of drummers

this has been working for me: play along to this playlist and in this order. do not stop. keep the order as listed. if you get tired, go back and forth between 16th's & 8th's. but, again, don't stop. eventually you'll be able to play all with 16th's. (one hand) I don't really do a push-pull technique, it's more like I'm turning a knob or using a screwdriver if that makes sense. stumbled upon this "technique" but it works. at least for me. you can easily sneak in/add to playlist, "Funky Drummer" between tracks 5 & 6. The last two tracks have more of a swing feel to them. good luck. relax. have fun. 1. No Ordinary Romance - Al Jarreau 2. Give A Little More Lovin' - Al Jarreau 3. Golden Girl - Al Jarreau 4. 99 - Toto 5. I Keep Forgetting' - Michael McDonald 6. Georgy Porgy - Toto 7. Stop Loving You - Toto 8. Pleasure - Al Jarreau . 9. Road Of Broken Hearted Men - Bobby Blue Bland. Drummers: Steve Ferrone, Jeff Porcaro, Clyde Stubblefield.

Funky Drummer is such a great groove!I'm a 50 year old drummer that gigged jazz/blues/rock in my 20s and 30s.... Then I learned to code, to make a much better living and have only played a couple years in church in the last 15 years. I'm gonna be setting up again soon, and I am totally gonna get into some of these lessons. There's no time like now to introduce some new and better habits! (I'm excited about developing a lot more Moeller and stealing some Keith Carlock) Thanks for the inspiration, Stanton!

Quite refreshing to see an actual musical example of how those fancy techniques can be applied. If you search for push/pull or moeller on KZfaq, 95% are demonstrations on a pad. That technique translates beautifully on the kit in that context, thanks for the lesson Stanton

I really appreciate you providing the principle and encouraging our own implementation.

hey Stanton thanks so much! I really appreciate the immaculate feel and finesse you put into this simple beat. I hope to get it just as well eventually. (and the funky drummer beat too). Also great tone, tuning, and overall sound in this video.

Well done..glad you put this video out there..thx

I clicked the video because I saw the Tip's shirt in the thumbnail, didn't even realize it was Stanton Moore wearing the shirt! Love the specification/distinction between push-push/pull-push, I think it really makes a difference when you start working the accents in.

Love this Stanton🥁Thank You.

A really valuable video for learning. I enjoy your to the point explanation and demonstration. I'm learning a lot as a professional drummer. Thank you! 💯

Thanks to it all. You were the first to talk about the reverse pull push. Its unlocked and unblocked my mind and thinking wath is right or wrong. At last you GROOWE tha Funk.👍

Great!...super informative...thanx Stanton

Good point

Sweet video👍 I like to practice both push/pull and pull/push. Both useful for sure

My god, this lesson is so helpful!! Thank you very much!

Thank you!

Stanton you’re so good and so humble . I appreciate that you worked this out in your 30’s. For me I was 50 during Covid when I discovered it and yes, how did I miss that for so long. I worked it out watching TV too 😂. You’re a great teacher too, appreciate your approach.

Stanton is such an amazing teacher and drummer with his own drum skills, one of the best groove drummers and very musical. Every time I love to hear his drumming. 👍

Snare sounds superb! Great teacher.

Mycket bra! Very good, translated from Swedish. I always get? happy when I see and hear you play. This is not as easy as it might look, but really worth practicing, a lot.😊

A very thuro lesson Stanton nicely explained enough too make a subscriber out of me nice job thanks!!!🙏🤘

Excellent! Thank you.

When I watch Stanton playing drums it reminds me of that clip of Charlie Parker watching Buddy Rich with the BIGGEST grin on his face. He's having the best time of his life. Absolute pure joy. Keep the fire burnin' :)

Excellent video, Stanton! I greatly appreciate the share. I play 16th single hand with more of a Moeller technique (wrist bobbing up and down) but I play swing/shuffle patterns with a open/close technique similar to what you demonstrate (I believe). Going to work on straightening that shuffle technique into a 16th pattern.

Very cool. I’m trying switch to open handed drumming instead of cross stick and my left hand suuuuuuucks. I can get it with my right, but this is gonna take some work. Nice groove, you make it seem approachable, thanks

Sinead O'Connor's "I Am Stretched On Your Grave". That song is based on the the "Funky Drummer" beat. Though probably not as good as Stanton played it here...

Absolutely love this lesson! Such a key skill, thanks for sharing this!!

GREAT lesson! I have been trying to work on this for a while and I get it now...back to the pad. Thank you!

Thank you

Man, super useful and important technique, wish I'd been working on this years earlier! We saw Garage a troi at Ardmore music hall last night, incredible show, thanks for the inspiration!

The slow- mo wrist shot is the most badass thing ever, will you do a compilation vid including a slow-mo wrist shot of the guitarist and bassist jamming along?

Thanks sir I love it

Excellent.

great stuff. thanks.

I love that Stanton discovered this after playing professionally for more than a decade. Many successful drummers revisit what they think they know to change it up (Dave Weckl, Neil Peart, and many others) so they prove there's always something more to learn. Try to play Use Me without this technique!

I have been learning this technique by watching metal drummers such as David Diepold and James Payne

Aces!

Man, this is soooo cool!! It looks and sounds so smooth and funky! I guess I'm more of an "up-down" guy...Although I'm pretty sure fingers are doing some work too. Great lesson, man...Love it!!

Ive been calling these Throw-up doubles (funny names stuck in my student's heads) since the 90s. You can see complete breakdown on my webpage at my Channel under drums, rudiments, then double-strokes.

I've been trying to get the 16 on the high hat and its been driving me crazy. This really helps. Thank you Stanton. Please everyone check this guy out - particularly garage a trois (one of the all time genius band names). Also Gadson who is just such a king!

This is really interesting to hear how you flip the technique backwards. I tend to play my 16th notes using more of a condensed Moeller technique within the wrist, rather than push/pull - although there are some elements of it. I've often heard it referred to by many drummers as 'shank/tip' technique. I struggled for years trying to speed up 'shank/tip' as when you play it slowly it works, but as you speed it up your wrist can tighten up until you reach a speed bottle neck. It wasn't until I asked Larnell Lewis to break his technique down, that he suggested flipping the technique on its head in a way that it opens up, rather than closes it down. So in my head I have to think 'tip/shank' instead of 'shank/tip' (ie backwards like you suggested). So I am thinking of placing the 'tip' first on the 'ah' of 4, before the 'shank' on the 1 of the next bar. This way I'm thinking of playing the 16th note on the way down, before the 8th note which opens up my technique, rather than trying to squeeze in a 16th note after the 8th note on the way up which closes it down. Just flipping the way my brain thought about it completely transformed the way I was able to approach it.

My first drum teacher taught me a similar tecnique that goes ' tip shank tip shank' etc etc on the hi hat, and even though it's a bit tricky at first, it certainly has it's merits once you 'have it down'. Give it a try !!!!

thnx!!!!!

First time I saw this was in 80s with one of my drum teachers , Tommy Campbell. He’s pretty incredible at this.

I pull push too! Great video man.

Please do a video of what’s in your drumstick bag I would really love to know

Nice and clean man! Love those K's

Great video, Stanton! Glad you mention Secret Weapons...that video is like the technique bible. Jojo is a damn technique WIZARD. I'm still trying to get good with the push-pull...it's tough and takes time! It's interesting, if you think about it, when doing a double stroke roll, it's almost the same as push-pull technique but it's easier because you alternate hands and get some time to rebound for the next diddle. Whereas with single handed 16ths like this, it's harder because you have to maintain a steady stream of evenly spaced notes. But, the technique itself is very similar, both being a "drop catch" type thing! Oh yeah, one more thing: If you watch the really fast rock/metal guys, they often use push-pull but interleaved with both hands...it can get you CRAZY fast singles around the kit.

I play the push pull as a whip and pull with the fingers!

I never even considered doing reverse push pull. but it all makes sense, I have a very very hard time with accents and grace notes on my snare hand doing the open close for doubles because i'm often 'pulling' a note on the hi hat and 'pushing' a note on the snare at the same time and it gets confusing. I feel like practicing it both ways is a must now. Phew........so much work but the results are always worth it :D

Thanks Stanton great stuff . Love you reductive approach. I wonder if you agree that push pull & Moeller can just “happen “ if one is loose , sort out one’s fulcrums , ie French , German etc & with focused practice .,My biggest problem as I got older was being too stiff . Luv Jo Jo s DVD but found Tommy Igoes dvd & “ loose approach “ also helpful . Fascinating too your conversation with Keith Carlock which is the same story re drum corps rudiments to looser drumset approach as Tommy . Sorry if disrespectful I will get some of your products after I finish Tommy’s , the Willcoxin Swing book , Gary Chaffees . 🙏 thx for the transcription of Maestro Clyde’s Masterpiece.

Holy shmoly, I can't even imagine playing in backward in pull/push.....I'm digging those demo grooves...gotta jump on the kit now 😂

The Late Great Rufus Thomas did a tune titled Do The Push And Pull. I have the Instructional Book,Give The Drummer Some.Thanks Sir for the great Drum Tip,very helpful,too.

Plan a trip to Memphis drum shop and maybe do a lesson. I’m sure Jim Pettit would be glad to accommodate you. Would love to see you again

hey stanton, you don't talk at all about arm motion but that appears to be a major part of how you (and james gadson) make this work. could you comment on how you're thinking about that?

Great lesson. Michael Cavanaugh is a newer drummer who does this technique very very well.

If you bring your elbow into your body more and turn your hand over a little, it'll help. You're not going to have a right shoulder anymore after an hour and a half gig. It'll also give the groove more weight and shape. It sounds consistent but a bit ballerina at the moment. Those classic James brown beats have loads of dynamics.

love u bro

"that might not be great for your relationship" Lol! That made me laugh. Been there.

any videos on one hand fast roll?

Good stuff... I heard Todd Sucherman say it's like a stabbing motion (horizontal) or like you are shooting pool and try to get it to sound like a shaker.

Hey Stanton!! I met you a long time ago when you played the bourbon up in Lincoln Nebraska… I live in Nashville now! Working on this myself lately… I also have a case of tennis elbow on my right arm… Do you have any suggestions for how to keep playing and not ruining your elbow? I’ve got shows and rehearsals and all kinds of stuff… I can’t take an extended period of time off… I just hope I’m not totally screwing my arm over by continually playing.

Moving between, one motion bouncing 4 sixteenth notes (muller), then two (push pulls) equaling 4 sixteenth notes is a decent cheat, that combines techniques.

What snare is that and which heads etc? Sounds so good!

Thanks Stanton, I was trying to play some 16th note beats recently and just failing. I'll get to work on the push pull. I have that JoJo video and just haven't worked on the push pull. Wake up call...

Great video and thanks for the lesson. I see during your video you are using a french grip on the hats, is that by choice or is it recommended for more control? I tend to stay with a more American-German grip but to me it looks like you are getting more stronger 16th's.

My 16th note speed is suspect, so sometimes if it's above where I can pull it off, I pull a Charlie Watts. That either means something to you or not, but Charlie had a sort of unique pattern to his ride hand.

i am 67 years old and there is always something else to learn, it never ends. even if i am playing guitar, steel guitar , bass, bongos, piano and of course drums. so it is a never ending journey. a good video, thanks.

Jojos video is the stick control of the new millennium. Essential

Jo Jo with no fro?

Wow

Is it my device or is the audio at an extra low volume?

I got that JoJo Mayer DVD!

What metronome speed are you at there please?

is it essential to have the thumb on top? can you achieve this using a so called American grip?

SO YESTERDAY MAN 😂 ITS 2022 NOW!!!! LOL 😂 SO YESTERDAY!!!!

Il play how i want to play thanks

The late great FRED GRUBER taught me this technique back in the early 1980s and he was teaching it long before that going back to the 1960s this I know for sure because I talked to students who studied with him back then and they were into this and I saw their notes that he had written describing this technique I have the same notes but I got them some years later! This technique is great It can also be practiced with the left-hand traditional grip there’s a “SYSTEM” as Freddy called this technique for left hand traditional group as well!🥁♟

I have to admit that I don't understand the difference between what you are doing to what I see others do. It looks to me as if you let go (= open) when you drop the stick, and close (= grab' pull) when you collect it again. At 3:46 you start with "close" and at 3:50 you start with "open", but the movement itself is no different. Can someone let me know what I am not getting? thanks!

Is the 16th note technique the same as double stroke?

Haha, I just realized that I also do my push pull backwards.

Are you playing shoulder/tip/shoulder/tip?

Demo starts at 2:30

In the seventies, a lot of drummers used this technique. Me included.

Thanks. You may watch the Flag Tap Snap technique from Todd Sucherman also. Then it can be applied to ride and cup also. He has many Drumeo lessons about this. Todd Sucherman--Flag Tap Snap. Only one way to do it. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/pMh5lrKStLjWcas.html This is world class and now only used in samba. He also uses the loose in between timing concept you like, so it will fit to your New Orleans shuffle style also: Ramon Montagner - Push and Pull & Grips - Coqueiral kzfaq.info/get/bejne/d8iaps-Ts9q6nGQ.html

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Jeff pocroro was fantastic at this

What snare is that?

Clyde and Procaro are the kings of the 16ths IMO. I'll try this method and see what happens. Nothing has been very successful so far.

Yeah, great, and the left hand?

Great lesson, thanks! (but come on responders..let's get Jeff Porcaro's name right :-/ )

Congratulations on the New Orleans tourism ad. You got paid to do that? Grin

so i wanna blame my electronic kit cymbals... could just be me tho... anybody else in my situation feel like u can't get the rebound u need to pull it off?

Playing that pattern at p.

Maybe don’t work on this technique while your spouse is watching tv with you. “Yeah, you right!”

Non l,ho capita sinceramente,difficile da applicare

If you’re left handed that would be your left hand.

Not good push-pull form. You need to keep your pinky on the stick and involve the thumb.