Thanks for watching this series! There will a follow up on this when Jasper gets a little further along with his new owner. If you’d like to support this channel please consider joining my patreon page. Www.patreon.com/ryanrosehorsemanship

I am a trainer for 58 years and very opinionated about horse related advice offered by other trainers. I usually have a lot of negative opinions. My opinion about this guy's horsemanship and advice is that he is mature, intelligent and a great friend of the horse. Also knows how to speak to owners with kindness and truth. Excellent horseman! I LOVE this guy!

I've heard horse people say, it may take a while to figure out a horse, but the horse has you figured out within a few seconds.

"Head down?" "Yes... no." "Head down?" "Yes... no." "Head down?" "Yes... No." I love to see the patience being displayed here.

I have so much respect for her to be able to recognize she needed to let go, and even more for you for seeing her emotional pain and addressing that with sensitivity and compassion. These decisions are never easy, but you are obviously both true horse people and know what is best for horse and rider. Super impressed and a bit verklempt!

A friend of mine recently sold her beautiful blue roan bucker. She got a quiet guy that doesn't buck. Much happier.

Head up = Adrenalin & Cortisol (not desirable) Head down = Dopamine & Serotonin (what we want) along with hindquarter disengagement is what we need to teach relaxation. Excellent video!!!

Ryan, I have always thought highly of you but I really appreciate your straightforward approach when explaining to the owner why this horse might not be the best match for her at this moment in time. You are always so diplomatic🙏😊

I’m so so glad you advised her to not keep this horse. She made a mistake. And let’s hope she don’t make another one. She may be hurt forever with that bucking and she’s an experienced rider. Thank you for being up front , doing the work you did with him, and helping her move on. Great Job. 🥰💕👍

Oh Ryan, what a great teaching video. You are as as kind and considerate and clear with humans as you are with the horses. And although Jasper is moving on, it's been such a learning opportunity for his owner, and for us - your on-line *students*. You are so generous with your knowledge and experience, and we appreciate it, man 🙏

Thank you! You helped me make a decision about my roan gelding. He never, ever bucked, until last Friday. I ended up in the ER. The man I got him from is coming to pick up the horse this week. I have had and ridden my horse for 2 years! You really helped me make the difficult decision because my horses are like "family" to me. I know he is going to a good man that loves his horses. ❤

The honest answer you gave the owner toward the end of the vid (16:00 minutes or so) was 🎯👍 Love your videos!!

Yes, very brave of her to share her story and be open to honest answers. And it helps us too. Thanks to all involved.

It's too bad that this combo did not work out, but there is no shame in realizing that it is not a match. You both deserve to be happy in life. You need a horse that you can enjoy right now, and he needs a different situation. May you both be happy.

I had a terrible fall off from my horse last May and ended up with a traumatic brain injury, bruised ribs and torn chest muscles. Within a week (I was bed ridden for 2 weeks) I had found him a new owner (she is a friend) who had trainers available to help him continue. I was 50 and didn't want to deal with a green horse that I thought was trained more than he was when I got him. He's happier, I'm happier with my new horse. I knew I'd never get over my fear of riding him after the fall. I've never in my 40 years of having horses been afraid to ride. Sometimes you have to make the hard decisions.

If I were her after watching you with this horse, I would pay you to rehome this horse and then find me a more compatible match. I’ve had a horse that was beyond my skill level and I could not enjoy a trail ride, then I got an older, well schooled horse that was the perfect fit

This series is probably the best of all Ryan's videos that I've watched. A real life situation and a realistic way to handle it. Ryan is identifying issues with this horse that probably few people (even trainers) are capable of picking up on. I hope that Jasper's progress under a new owner doesn't skip anything important. I hope there isn't a gap, I mean. Great work.

I have a "problem" horse who's been passed on from owner to owner. I've had different trainers but you're the first to explain it this way. I wish you were closer to me!

Gosh, I was so lucky to have great horses that you just jumped on and rode...EVERYWHERE

She’s really smart. Having the wrong horse is like having the wrong boyfriend. It only gets worse and worse. I’ve been there, done that. My problem horse was a dream horse for an experienced roper who turned a trail horse that blew up all the time for me, into a great head horse for him. My horse was loved. But he was in the wrong place. He needed somebody else and a totally different job to do. I now have a horse that’s a perfect fit for me. Life is good for everyone and I’m not paralyzed because I tried to keep the wrong horse.

I would say that those very sensitive horses express right away what bothers them and they are easy to read. The good side of them being Left brain extroverted. and the bad is they can explode so fast since their intolerance builds so fast! Thx to you again

I couldn't agree more. Theres too many good ones to try to work one that needs more help than your skill level. Swallowing that pride and acknowledging that is difficult for people though.

I appreciate Ryan’s videos because even though they are a bit long, they give you a better sense that fixing a horse is a process that takes time and effort and doesn’t come automagically, this is more honest and a better learning experience than other folks in KZfaq.

One of my horses is extremely sensitive like Jasper and sometimes just the littlest things get him tensed up. It takes some basic groundwork that he enjoys to work out the stress of whatever it was that he reacted to. I have also found that occasional acupuncture sessions have really helped him to relax. He’s only three years old and has made good progress in the 6 months I have had him. I wish all good things for Jasper, and I hope this lady gets the horse she needs to get back in the saddle with joy.

There was a stable close by when I was a teenager. Some of the horses and ponies rarely saw their owners. I didn’t own a horse but with permission learned how to train and gentle them just to be near them. Ryan’s advice is dead on.

Great video. I watched all 3 when they were posted. Very clear that even with Ryan's expert handling, this horse was not comfortable or relaxed about saddling, let alone being ridden even in a safe sand arena. Imagine him with his owner, a less experienced person, out on a trail ride. Its such a shame his previous owners sold him as suitable for trail riding, when he was a ticking time bomb

Nope I would not mount that horse. He’s way to tense 😬. This guys good. He can read that horse well 👍. Great video.

My Gosh! You are exquisitely truthful and honest at the same time! You can’t beat your down to-the truth and reality training ! 👌😎⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️ Thank you Ryan 😎👍🏻

THIS is why I love this guy!!! He is honest snd truthfully and will tell the hard and sometimes hurtful truth to help the HUMAN AND HORSE become the best they can be. Kudos to her for saying she bought hik sight unseen most ppl will leave their less then perfect side put because they are afraid to be seen as less then. Sadly that can hide issues as well that could be part of the key to fixing the issues.. So hope she finds her rainbow horse that makes the world around her bright and beautiful full fo colors and magic!!

I was in a similar situation years back. I made a decision to let the horse go to a more suitable home which worked out really well and I got the horse if my dreams

Thanks for creating this video series and breaking it down into all the little things you are constantly noticing and working thru with him. Super helpful!

I went through this exact same situation for 10 years. I finally swallowed my pride and bought a new horse. I couldn't be any happier. I now have my horse life back after 10 long and emotionally draining years. Great advice for her. So glad she listened! Great series watching Jasper!

Good call. There are lots of safe and honest horses out there. Unfortunately, this horse is not one of them.

I feel really invested in seeing how Jasper comes along. I hope he finds his perfect owner.

So good to hear you tell the owner the truth! Good on you Ryan!

Refreshing to hear that you are confident enough to be honest with an owner. Truth is the horse will always be able to sense her anxiety (or fear) and to continue to be "hopeful" that he will come around just is a recipe for disaster for that owner.

Really nice to see choosing the best path for the owner and for the horse too. I hope she finds her dream horse!

Ryan you're a very gracious person with loads of discernment. This lady is so lucky to have you guide her to where she wants to be.

Every single werck I've ever had was when I ignored that gut "uh-oh" feeling and "toughened up" because someone more experienced who allegedly knew better told me to "ride him through it". When you know your gut well and know you don't generally have anxiety issues - listen to it! There is no shame in not cantering, stepping off or selling the horse if it's just not right in that moment. Great video, enjoy your horses everyone.

Great series! I hope they find him a good home and that she finds a nice horse for herself.

I hope you’ll post an update on both Jasper and his owner. It’s a difficult situation, I pray both will come out the better for it.

Really sensible and wise thinking and decision made here, so good!

Greetings from germany! Thanks for this serie because we have the same problems with our mare too. She bucks all of us(3riders) on the trail. I hurt me hard too but I love this horse so much that i cant quit her. I want to help her to be confident and your videos help me a lot to fix it. So I look forward to see more from sensitive horses.🙃🙏

Your honesty as a trainer is so, so refreshing! I wish there was a law for this kind of horsemanship honesty to the point of carrying the title of a trainer! Keep keeping on! Kudos for all your public knowledge, hard work and most importantly honesty!

Thanks for this Ryan. I so agree about not sticking with a horse that’s not a match yes it’s hard to move on, but ultimately is better for you and for the horse. I have stuck with it in the past and ended up completely traumatised as well as injured and I had to move the horse on in the end anyway. Good luck to them both.

It does not happen over night. You gotta know you can put in the time. If you know your life schedule can’t handle it. You need to admit it and do what is best for your current horse.

This exact thing happened to me at 35 yrs old. I had that fear with three Different horses because I thought I knew what I needed. At 53 I decided to get a grandma horse. I have a 12 yr old mare that is just lazy as can be and not as reactive. I did some groundwork and she grew to trust me. I feel I could handle a faster horse at this time but I really have a good relationship with this mare and she’s a great horse to throw the grandkids on.

I think both you and the owner of jasper have been really honest with each other. Well done to both of you, very brave. I have a lot of respect for people that can tell it how it is 🙂

Asking the horse to lower his head in this scenario reminds me of someone who is angry and you ask them to smile so they smile but they're still angry.

I HAD a horse I'm scared of... He now belongs to my husband. They are best friends. Sometimes it happens that way... I have another horse for me and we ride 2 to 3 times a week. Worked out! Thanks for your knowledge!

After my good old horse passed on I went through 3 horses that we bought too fast, didn't spend enough time testing them out, before finding my perfect, safe companion to finish out my riding years. The 3 unsuitable horses (not safe enough on the trails, two painful falls) have all gone to more suitable homes where they are making their owners very happy. No regrets about letting them go and finally finding the right one.

I'm so proud of this girl thinking about what's best for her AND the horse. More ppl need to do this! Some horses and ppl just don't match just like two persons don't match. Don't mean anything is wrong with any of them! I had a mare one time and yes I could ride her and handle her but it was just not a fit! A friend of mine however took her over from me and they were perfect for eachother. Her horse she had and me was a better match so we just kinda switched horses and we were both happy. She was more high energy than me and had a very sensitive horse..and my mare was very low energy and and needed a boost and I'm not very high energy just slow and steady. So the switch was what the horses needed. Horses were happier and so was we. Win win!

Great video, great honesty from you Ryan with all your experience. He’s better off in someone else’s hands.

I am grateful for seeing this video. I wish I had seen it four years ago. My Buckskin QH mare violently bronc'd me off May 2020 - broke T10, T12, L1 ; herniated T11/T12; compressed C6 & C7; sprained both wrists; traumatic injury to my right hip; bed ridden 6 weeks and had a total hip replacement Jun 2022. Now Sep 2023 and I have started training her the basics. Got on to take a lap with her Nov 2023 and she went to buck again. I now realize she may not be the horse for me. I don't trust her. Sending her off to be trained by someone wont fix the trust issues. Thank you Ryan for the videos - I wish there was a place to learn to read horse behaviour. Maybe I have made her this way through my ignorance and not knowing what she is telling or trying to tell me. Maybe she is too sensitive for a trail horse. I will give an update in a while.

you can so see how much he wants to be relaxed.

Many thanks to Jennifer, Ryan, and of course, Jasper for an excellent video series!

Very, very impressed with you, Sir. If only more people read the body language as you do. I got on a horse I was very scared of. She bucked me off and I fractured my spine. Now, some would say 'that is a nasty horse.' But it was my bad judgement. Luckily I lived to ride again. Excellent advice to Jasper's courageous rider.

“And don’t worry I’m a professional” *adds in clip of movie of guy barely making it into back of car as it takes off* 😂 which is literally what it’s like mounting green horses sometimes!

I'm in my 70s & have always loved horses but never had the opportunity to really learn about them like this. I've only ever been afraid of one horse & I think had you been around you could have helped both the horse & his owner. Thank you for making these videos because I believe one is never too old to learn!

Thank you Ryan for being honest with the people!

Respect. I’m in a questionable relationship with a mare myself. Thank you Ryan and owner lady and Jasper.

You are absolutely CORRECT been in her situation and he needs a more consistent rider with strong hands etc. She do better with a more easygoing and willing horse. Good job to you Ryan!!!!

Love this Ryan! I really like your videos. You do an awesome job speaking the horse language and teaching it. You are a really good trainer. 💕💕💕

He knows what he is doing, yet, loses his pride. Great trainer. 👍🏼

I gave up the most beautiful horse I have ever owned last year with tears in my eyes. She is in a better situation now (eventing) and I realized I needed a "granny" horse at my advanced age. Thank you Ryan for all your super training videos. 👍👍

Yes I do see what you are giving me on the Green light . . thank you for breaking it down , yes if there is any indication of the horse is not in his body . . I choose another day or do the ground work - - it is excellent you ID the antecedents with the problem . . Big thanks

Thank you for sharing your awesome knowledge and I love your videos!!! This one especially touched me because it exactly reflects my friends story with a " kid safe" horse she bought and broke her back on the very first ride at home! Unfortunately she didn't sell the horse until after she had a second big accident. He found a great home where he is loved and works on a Ranch, while my friend found her little dream horse as well. She is happily riding the trails now and enjoys every minute of it.

Your honesty is already paying off in the end! Smart! You are smart for being dedicated and honest, with your clients! The last of the Mohicans, so to speak! 👌😎⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️

All the commenters here seem to understand the essential nature of being emotionally truthful in all of this. As in ALL AREAS OF LIFE, the truth can be worked with because it is REAL. No decision based on a lie or on ignorance can ever produce anything lasting because all decisions are based on falsehoods. So SUCCESSFULLY interacting with animals will REQUIRE that truthfulness from us. That is why this was a success. And likely will continue to be as the horse may find better help from another " owner". And this owner can find a better match. And it is Ryan who has chosen to be an honest and invested mediator between animal and human, for ALL THEIR SAKES! PS I LOVED the little added blurb on the video when Ryan said, "I am a professional"! Too perfect!!

I really enjoyed this series. I have a horse I adopted from a rescue in summer 2020. He is broke to ride and he's never done anything ugly but it makes him very anxious. Just like with Jasper, he gets tense even seeing the saddle come out. It became clear pretty quickly after I brought him home that there were a lot of holes in his training and what he really needed was to be started completely over from the ground up, which is what we did. He'll let me ride him and he's never offered to buck or anything like that but I want to get him to a place where he doesn't just tolerate it, where it doesn't make him so anxious. I saw a lot of him in Jasper.

So much respect for both of you. This video is so true on so many levels.

Ryan Rose is thee best patient with the 🐎horses!

Kudos to the owner, for her decision.Very helpful video, I like the way Ryan observes the horse ,and explains what he is doing and why. I look forward to following the progress of this horse

I have tremendous respect for Ryan Rose to speak candidly about safety for the rider. I'm so impressed that the owner was willing to accept that she would do better with another horse 🐎 ❤. She tried her best 👌 ❤ , but wow, this really was a tear jerker for me. I'm glad to hear that you know of someone who will be a better fit for this beautiful horse ❤. Sweetheart Ryan Rose will find the perfect horse for you ❤️ don't worry, hun.xx

Ryan, you've provided Jennifer, as well as Jasper, a really valuable assessment and service. Well done.

This has been a great video. I had a similar experience with a sensitive horse. I got hurt and sent her to a trainer but could never really relax on rides after that and she remained super reactive. Eventually, I stopped riding her and didn't sell her because I didn't want her to hurt anyone else or to go from owner to owner. Like Ryan said about half way thru - The accident scared her also. I think its great that Jasper gets another chance for a good fit, and this brave woman will get another chance to find a horse that is a better fit for her. Also helpful - all the desensitizing lessons and 1. bad saddle fit - the horse won't want to move, 2. Claustrophobic - bucks, 3. scared - bolts. thanks again!

Really enjoyed this video series, Ryan. Thank you for posting. I am in this exact situation now with my Arabian mare I bought for trail riding.

acknowledge that a horse is just not the right fit and find him someone who is better. I've got one now that I am torn about. Wish you were closer to me in Vermont.

I appreciate your honesty in this situation. It can't be easy to give the owner this evaluation. I hope those watching will appreciate it.

It is difficult to purchase a right horse today. It is also hard to find a trainer like this guy -who understands developing a relationship is key to a safe mount. To advertise a horse as sensitive is much better than advertising a horse as needing an experienced rider. Unfortunately people think because they went on a cattle drive they are experienced horse people. Not for a sensitive mount. Riding a horse is dangerous- So true. I recently bought 2 mares. Recently ha! I bought them June 2020. 1 year and 5 months ago. I still haven't ridden them- because one is sensitive the other was rode hard and joint damaged and wasn't put on meds!. Of course these issues were not advertised or mentioned in the health cert by the vet. I am fully aware now. I'm patient. Getting them to trust me by being consistent and caring for them. I do have people at the barn asking me if I'm ever going to ride them. I tell them I'm in no hurry. I just brush them muk stalls and work with them on the ground every other day. Don't let your stable mates push your own intuition because riding is dangerous. If you want a jump on and ride then leave em for a week horse- you are creating issues. Would you tolerate a 1 sided relationship? My previous horses were acquired as 2 year olds so I did all the work on them from the ground up. I had as bomb proof of a horse there is- for me. One tolerated other riders. Two did not. No matter how much I wanted it- Be careful out there. Great video

Thank you Ryan, I have glad I found your videos. I have been enjoying and learning so much. This series couldn’t be more timely. I recently came off my horse Eagle, long story. Watching this has given me more to think about. Turns out Eagle had underlying but treatable health issue that was causing pain. I feel we are still a good match but I will work with someone who is hopefully as honest as you. And special thanks to Jasper and his owner for sharing their story.

I completely understand how it is to be in a tslo brace. I’m wearing one too and have become quite the groundwork student. In November, I was in an accident on a trail ride with my mare and fractured my back in two places 3/12 hours away from home. I have used this time to not only bond with Phoenix, but to be her alpha and I want to do whatever it takes to get her used to everything and I mean EVERYthing when we go out again. I am going to attempt this drill once the doctor clears me of spinal precautions. Thank you for the videos, Ryan.

This series is packed with so very much teaching. I sure would have benefited from this teaching 35 years ago when I had 2 horses that would buck on the trail just like Jasper. I had "trainers" at the time but neither of them knew what you taught in this series. Just Wonderful Ryan!

I feel happy that you didn't go on trying. I'd say this was a very good session and giving him release now will teach him much more than pushing him through something he cannot handle yet. Very good horsemanship. Thank you!!

I really enjoy your videos. There is always something to learn to become a better horseperson. I stumbled on your videos this past year. Started watching a few. Zeroed in more on you and your videos when in one of your videos I heard you reference Tom Dorrance. That caught my attention. The more I watched, the more I appreciated you and your methods. I'm a person who was taught in college by someone who used a lot of Ray Hunt methods. Keep up the great work and thanks for all the great videos. I also find it neat you are from Wisconsin. I'm also live in the Midwest. Nice to have someone like you located here.

This video series is fantastic, you have such a simple and honest way with words to describe what's going on with this horse and rider. I can really relate to this situation and there are not a lot of videos of trainers going through this initial evaluation and actually talking with the owner and rather than selling your training you're really interested in the two of them finding a safe and happy future. My 6 year old gelding is hyper sensitive like this horse, he's a painted sport pony who I bought from the amish in southern Wisconsin as a 2 year old with about 3 months of riding the roads with a 12 year old amish boy. I was looking for a young green project and at first he was a dream. About 8 months after I bought him, out on a trail ride in about 12 inches of snow he spooked and bolted. Im a seasoned rider and felt that I was going to regain control, but it didn't happen fast enough and he dove off trail and over the equivalent of a 4' jump off a big dead tree and this was where he lost me. I landed on my back on the tree. Someone was watching over us that day because the moment I called him he appeared from up the trail and helped me up, dropping the reins so I could reach them, then we limped back to the barn through the snow. I had to take about 6 weeks off from riding and didn't have anyone experienced enough to work him for me so he also sat for 6 weeks. The very first ride was perfect, the next ride he moved forward a bit when I put my foot in the stirrup, the next ride he threw his head in the air and bolted away before I could say whoa. After this happened a few more times in a row just trying to mount in the paddock I knew we had to start over completely. He was always ticklish, one of those types that the softest brushes would make his whole skin move, and was highly sensitive to leg and seat cues. The accident just pushed him over the edge. It took me 3 years of restart to get him to trust himself and me, almost an entire year with no tack, just ground work, liberty, and sitting on him in the paddock at the hay bale when he was done and tired. It took another year of riding bareback/ walk before I could start asking for forward movement because he would immediately bolt. Then we did a year of hard core distance riding and wet blankets when I trusted his whoa enough to know I still had control of the speed when I asked him for it. Im currently training him to be an eventing pony, starting jumps, low level dressage work, and he's absolutely loving it. But he's very much a fidget, my coach always jokes how he's a horse that can't stand still even if he's huffing and puffing after a long lesson and a hack. Thankfully this is the personality I wanted in my horse- but it has been a serious journey and he isn't a horse who can sit for a while and you just hop on, he needs very consistent physical and mental work or he starts seeing ghouls and feeling ants. your cander about this kind of horse is refreshing to see on the western side of things.....where so many times it's like you say people try to be brave and tough it out rather than stepping back and finding what's right for helping the sensitive horse-they end up in so many auctions because they gain a label. thank you for sharing this story with us! kristi and horse Chauncey in northern mn 🦄❤

Huge kudos to you and Jasper's owner for correctly diagnosing this situation with diplomacy; that is a really tough thing to say and to hear and you both did it with grace. I wish I could give this video series a 1,000 thumbs up. Once you voice Jasper's sensitivities and reactions it is clear that he is no where near safe enough for anyone other than a trainer. It is fortunate that Jasper's owner brought him to you. Also, anyone who starts to ride horses should be clear as you said, that there is nothing safe about riding horses, only better prepared and safer: this really should like license to acknowledge before anyone is allowed to ride. Great series. I hope we get to see more of Jasper with his new person. Thanks so much to Jennifer for her bravery to put her story out there for others as a cautionary tale (tail) -- couldn't resist.

It's so interesting watching your videos as a dog trainer. There's so many similarities. We do a lol of pressure work as well as focusing on state of mind.

Great advice, I hope they both get what they need. It can take a long time to get over a bad fall as I know to well.

I’m sitting here with a heating pad on my lower back 7 weeks after having my horse scooted out from under me when I was bareback.☹️ Note to self: ride green horses with a saddle. I’m here to learn more so whenever I go to ride again I’ll have better odds of staying safer. I hope you do more videos with Jasper.

My first time watching your video and I can definitely see that you know your business. Much respect for you sir !

Thank you Ryan for giving such sound advice. All too often trainers don't want to offend a client and/or lose a client. You are so right. Sometimes you just need to make a new, better choice, so you, as well as the horse, can live happier lives for a long time.

Thats funny. My hunting horse was like that. Even if we just went for a morning stroll, he was like head up, brace, ok she's up, lets go! He never bucked, he was a very reliable horse. He just loved to ride out with me, so he was always a bit excited. I had him for 10 years and it never bothered me. I think horses characters are really very different. Your videos are fascinating nontheless.

This is a great learning process for many Ryan, you really emphasize their feelings and emotions for a lot of people I think. I keep a great and beautiful horse because I initially chose it, and then never dare to ride it again, because of the annoying behavior of the horse, or traumatic experience. No you are right, choose a horse that you are feel friends with, and be happy with without stress, without pain, a horse that you can really enjoy in life, we only live one life, and the years go by so fast . then I think we better be happy in that life, right. Thank you so much for sharing this Loved it Roos 🌹😁💪🏻👊🏻👍🏻🍀

Ryan out there doing god’s work for the horses and the people 🙏🏻

Nice work all around! There is no blue ribbon for keeping the wrong horse and gritting your teeth. Not fair to the horse or the rider! Well done Ryan on the training and being understanding and non judgmental.

ryan, really enjoyed this video!! thank you 🙏

Thanks to Jennifer for being open to share your experience. Great evaluation and understanding of this horses mindset and training, by you Ryan. Good solid advice. Looking forward to seeing Jasper progress.

Wow! Awesome video! Thanks to Both Ryan and Jasper Owner...And...Yes to Jasper also. Excellent Vid for those of us just starting our journey. I'm 71, as of today, have ridden 1 horse 1 time when I was 9 yrs old. I'm seriously thinking of doing a Lease at a nearby Stable to Trail Ride on the same horse as I learn Horsemanship. Love this Channel!!

Just for fun and giggles. You can’t turn an alfa God given nature of a horse into a submissive horse. Again, thank you for being honest with your clients!! Now they can make a wisdom filled choice! Thanks to you honesty!