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Process 01: An open source 2 layer PCB process - part 2

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Hydrogen, Time

Hydrogen, Time

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This video presents Process 01, an open source 2 layer PCB production process, including electroless copper plating of vias.
In this second part I will detail the preparation of all chemical solutions required by the process.
hackaday.io/pr...
Resources referenced in the video:
The plating baths shown in this video are an adaptation of formulations found in
the "2013/14 Universal Metal Finishing Guidebook", which is one of the few openly available
collections of plating formulations.
(pages 270-281 for electrolytic copper plating, and pages 400-410 for electroless copper plating)
Copper chloride PCB etchant video by NurdRage, used in step 22:
• Make Copper Chloride (...
Other works cited in this video:
Electroless copper plating with improved deposition rate by guser210: • Enhanced electroless p...
Selective electroless copper plating using a laser cutter, without etching by Applied Science: • Make plastic printed c...
Experiments with silver and copper conductive inks by NurdRage: • Make Copper Formate (f...
Alternative copper plating method experiments by syevtushenko:
www.instructab...

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@mpelagio-engenharia
@mpelagio-engenharia 11 ай бұрын
The Paladium Activator sometimes turns to a yellowish transparent collor... this case You just put it inside a glass flask and this flask inside another conteiner (or a Pan for example) with boiling water for some 20 minutes, 30 minutes until the solutions turns to dark brown collor... I have made it to a lot of solutions of Paladium and it worked very well..
@hydrogentime2872
@hydrogentime2872 7 ай бұрын
Will try next time it happens
@VEC7ORlt
@VEC7ORlt 3 жыл бұрын
My hat is off to you, really impressive work, I've made probably hundreds of different PCBs in my time, then I've moved to factory made, just don't want to mess with this stuff anymore, so so much work. Gives some insight how its done commercially.
@hydrogentime2872
@hydrogentime2872 3 жыл бұрын
It is a lot of work, but I like not having to wait two weeks to a month for my PCB to arrive. Plus since I'm into chemistry I don't mind messing with chemicals.
@WaffleStaffel
@WaffleStaffel 2 жыл бұрын
This is outstanding, thank you for making this series. If you enable captioning/subtitles, I'd be happy to contribute by typing them up.
@hydrogentime2872
@hydrogentime2872 2 жыл бұрын
Apparently my channel is affected by the "comments disappearing" bug support.google.com/youtube/thread/116351041/recent-reports-of-missing-comments?hl=en I'll post the non-spam deleted comments and answers here.
@hydrogentime2872
@hydrogentime2872 2 жыл бұрын
Comment by Thomas Gatliff: I very much appreciate your work as it has helped me immensely. Do you have a specific PH you are looking for on the activator and post activator solutions? Also, do you attempt to replace some of the HCHO in the electroless solution after each use? Your video has rather small boards where it doesn't matter much, but Im using substantially larger boards and 15x the amounts you reference, and want to try to better maintain the solutions over time. Any suggestions you might have would be very much appreciated. Reply: Unfortunately I do not have a pH meter in my lab, only test trips, so I do not havee a precise value, I usually start adding concentrated NaOH solution till the pH is strongly basic, and then drop in the board and add a bit more if I do not see hydrogen evolution after some time. Yes, I do refill the solution with HCHO if the pH if I can't get good hydrogen formation after adding a reasonable amount of NaOH solution, especially if when checkin g the pH before adding the NaOH I find it is not strongly acidic. Acidifying the solution before storing it for long time helps but does not completely stop HCHO decomposition, and loss of acidity is an indicator to add more HCHO. For larger boards I recommend agitation with a magnetic stirrer.
@mostafagaberahmed6657
@mostafagaberahmed6657 3 жыл бұрын
thank you . we need more of this useful videos that helps to share science
@user-yb5cn3np5q
@user-yb5cn3np5q Жыл бұрын
A always wondered how those vias are made. Thank you so much!
@hydrogentime2872
@hydrogentime2872 Жыл бұрын
No problem!
@williamchaves8938
@williamchaves8938 2 жыл бұрын
Your the best my friend! I wish I could buy chemicals here in costa Rica. The permits make it very hard here to make anything.
@hydrogentime2872
@hydrogentime2872 2 жыл бұрын
Many chemicals can be bought from ebay, but I agree it's more difficult than it should be to do science at home.
@mpelagio-engenharia
@mpelagio-engenharia 7 ай бұрын
The yellowish collor of the Paladium Solution is because the chemicals in the solution are reducing and they need to be completed again to original levels.. normally adding some more Palladium regularly... there are some lab tests to detect what needs to be added to solutions be its a little complex to explain here...
@behzadabf
@behzadabf Жыл бұрын
very well describe.. thanks a lot sir.
@plenty1347
@plenty1347 2 ай бұрын
It works, but I have to prepare electroless copper solution each time. In your guide you say that I need to acidify it after use with H2SO4 and make it basic using NaOH when taken out of storage before next use. Can you provide exact pH values?
@MH-GoL
@MH-GoL Жыл бұрын
Nice Video, thank you very much! After many years of using "Toner Transfer" to make my pcb i now bought a UV DTG Printer and directly print the mask for the design on the board. After etching i print the "soldermask" to the pcb too. The only thing i need to get done now are the vias. Your solution looks perfect but i'm a bit worried about the Formaldehyde. I'm not a chemist, is it possible to replace it with a less toxic ingredient? Triton-X100 is even a problem in the EU, it is banned by REACH since 2021. Is there an alternative available?
@hydrogentime2872
@hydrogentime2872 Жыл бұрын
The Triron-X100 could probably be replaced by another surfactant if you can't find it, but some experimentation may be required. Formaldehyde is very hard to replace, there are alternatives which are known to reduce copper salts to the metal in a controlled way but are just as toxic. If you have no chemical experience I suggest to either wait for someone to develop a safer process (NurdRage was trying for example), or to learn chemistry one step at a time before messing with formaldehyde. And build a fumehood.
@gary1143
@gary1143 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the post. Is a transcript of this video available.
@hydrogentime2872
@hydrogentime2872 3 жыл бұрын
I'm planning to write all the steps and formulations in a document. Will make it available as soon as I find the time to write things down.
@gary1143
@gary1143 3 жыл бұрын
@@hydrogentime2872 Thank you
@hydrogentime2872
@hydrogentime2872 3 жыл бұрын
@@gary1143 Process 01 on hackaday.io: hackaday.io/project/180422-process-01-an-open-source-2-layer-pcb-process Process 01 in pdf form: cdn.hackaday.io/files/1804227719174848/Process%2001.pdf
@techticks5274
@techticks5274 6 ай бұрын
Is this palladium based activator solution and electroless copper bath stable and can be used for months? If not then how manufacturing factories use this solution for long time?
@hydrogentime2872
@hydrogentime2872 3 ай бұрын
If you keep it in a well sealed container the activator is stable for years. When the activator goes bad it also changes color becoming transparent, so it's easy to know if it's still good.
@CrayzxxXxx
@CrayzxxXxx 11 ай бұрын
do i need both electroless and electrolythic copper plating for connecting vias or can i just use one of them
@hydrogentime2872
@hydrogentime2872 7 ай бұрын
You can in theory use only electroless, but it is slow to build up the desired copper thickness, and you need to fine tune the process for the surface finish to withstand the etching. Only electrolytic does not work as copper only plates to already conductive surfaces, and the holes are not conductive initially.
@muhammadasjad3416
@muhammadasjad3416 7 ай бұрын
please tell me is the palladium activator solution colloidal or a well mixed solution?? yours looks well mixed but I have tried it is always colloidal.....kindly clarify
@hydrogentime2872
@hydrogentime2872 3 ай бұрын
I'm not sure. The dark color could be a fine suspension of metallic palladium but I did not investigate.
@ABehrooz
@ABehrooz 9 ай бұрын
Hello, Are there any substitutes for PdCl2? I can't find it at an affordable price where I live. (the only seller charges an arm and a leg for a gram of it)
@hydrogentime2872
@hydrogentime2872 7 ай бұрын
There is no substitute that I know of for this process, but search on youtube for other processes. Some had success spraying conductive carbon paint and then electroplating onto that.
@ABehrooz
@ABehrooz 7 ай бұрын
@@hydrogentime2872 I pulled the trigger and bought everything for this process. (Except the PdCl2, of course). I'm trying to find another supplier for it, fingers crossed. I'll post results when I actually get to do it on a real job.
@Jhonsket82
@Jhonsket82 Жыл бұрын
Subtitle nobtranslate sir😢
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