Here I thought it was the shear amount of minis that were in a vast horde of backlog figures like the rest of us

Yes, as Horatio said, it's help up by outrageously over based models, they keep the ceiling up so I can fit all the paint in. ;)

Sometimes, the universe just aligns. :)

These are not cheaper than GW or any paint for that matter. They might just be the most expensive I've ever seen. But I think their webshop is doing some Europe discrimination behind the scenes.

@@LoftySkinner For the Pro Acryl Base Set 2.0, by my calculation it costs less than GW and give far more ml of paint per bottle. I am not sure what issue you're seeing.

@@LoftySkinner they are cheaper. 0,22 € per ml for gw...0,18 € per ml for pro acryl. in the set they are even cheaper...only vallejo is cheaper

I know it's kinda randomly asking but do anybody know a good website to stream newly released tv shows online ?

That's awesome, they really are wonderful paints and still get lots of use from me.

You mean you didn't use Apple Barrel? Kidding aside, I also have the base set and some extras, and it's my favorite paint.

Awesome!

Absolutely!

@@VinceVenturellaI really like the look of these plus Scale 75 and warcolours. Would you guys say that for a beginner that pro arcryl has a more simplified application process than the other 2? Or should I just go with what I like the look of? I have a lot of time on my hands for about a year due to an injury and I’m quite patient and eager to dive in with harder to use paints.

They are fantastic. I mean, can we ever really have enough paints?

I think all of that is dead on.

Excellent, always good to see when people come to the same conclusion, makes me feel better as well that I was onto something. I really am loving these more by the day.

@@VinceVenturella me too. They've really become my go to paints in short order. It's somewhat strange how easy certain things are with them.

These definitely have an outrageously good flow, it actually surprised me and was the first thing that impressed me when I started using them.

Well, can't help with the primer thing, but this will do the work for you on the colored tips. The answer is really, these would look the same over almost any primer. The paint is so strong when used close to straight, it's basically opaque.

@@VinceVenturella yeah, i caught that on these, but most of my paints are vallejo model air, other than a dozen or so from asset drop, where a light enough coat would let some of the primer bleed through and give different effects. I've used it before with a mottled pre-shading.

Excellent.

Oh yes, Larry is still around and kicking. :)

@@VinceVenturella Glad to hear it.

Sorry. You don't have to go all in on my addiction. ;)

how did you get comfortable? i spent hours with a US Airborne set and i could only get the brush strokes out after 8 coats and the solid base covering in 5 coats. I tried em straight from the bottle, medium thinned, heavily thinned with water, with airbrush thinner, airbrush thinner and retarder, just retarder, and it was a nightmare. i did a control test with vallejo model, citadel and AK 2nd and 3rd gen paints and after 2 coats, the 2nd gen AK needed 3 and the surface looked nice and proper sans brushstrokes. Thats messed up that people who spend twice the amount on Scale75 compared to other brands have to get comfortable with them or get over a learning curve. I also hear the term they're great for glazing or blending; that's like saying this cars amazing it just doesn't drive in reverse.

@@MF-kv8cn Honestly I gave up on Scale, not my favorite brand. They are terrible at base coating and really only excel at glazing IMO. I am mainly back on the Vallejo train, they are the most versatile and consistent IMO.

@@MrMorden00 ya man i thought i was doing something wrong but after so many tries i did some research and found out the paints are just a nuisance. There's a video produced by scale75 on facebook where they paint a figure with a brush and it says after 2 coats, either they didn't use scale75 or they really used 8 coats and said it was two to fool people into thinking their product actually works. I think their product is only meant to be airbrushed because the step-by-step guide i received with my set said to airbrush the base coat, airbrush the highlights and airbrush the shadows and the fourth step said you can use a brush for the smallest of details. lol. have you tried the scale Artist paints in the 20ml tubes, maybe those are better?

@@MF-kv8cn I won't say Scale paints are bad, but they don't match my painting style well. A lot of people really like them. I have not tried their heavy body acrylics.

Yeah, I just came to accept the little paint on the tip, but i totally get it.

Absolutely, I love these paints and use them all the time, they really are wonderful.

They are great for sure. You will enjoy them.

Yes, I really enjoy them. If you haven't tried the reds yet, I can't recommend them enough.

@@VinceVenturella it's funny that you mention that. I just started trying to use the pyrrole red yesterday, and getting opacity with it is very difficult. I was painting over black primer which I know is a no-no for red, but I still wasn't expecting it to be that challenging. It seems like the evil sunz scarlet which is a layer paint even has better coverage. Have you had that issue? I'm wondering if I got a mislabeled bottle of their transparent red instead haha

@@benjamincliman2735 I honestly couldn't say, as I've never put red over black (I just don't do it). If you use the burnt red first, my guess is you would get better coverage, then put the pyrrote red over top.

Thank you, happy to help as always. :)

That's a big question and one I am not sure I can really answer. I am a paint junkie and they all have different properties that align differently to your style and the way you are going to paint. Like the Warcolours are good over Zenithal highlighting orlight primer, the Scale Fantasy & Games is closer to traditional paint experiences. The normal Scale 75 and Pro Acryl are very opaque and good for wet blending and loaded brush styles. My best advice would be "Yes" and what I mean is don't commit to the entire set. Go out and pick up one pack (most of them have sets, like 6-8 paints in a set) of each and test them. Play with the four sets, they all work interchangably and it will help you get a feel for your own style and where you want to invest.

Thank you for the advice, in fact, you have me thinking differently about an upcoming project that will require multiple techniques but a limited pallet, a perfect opportunity to tailor the paints to the methods.

It surprised me as well. The smoothness, rich pigmentation and wet blending really impressed me.

Funny story that on your resolution video my main thing was learning wet blending and I tried it for the first time and it was a pleasure to work with. I blended some pink and purple on a seeker on top and then went into the mohawk. I loved it and it wasn't as difficult as I thought it would be. Maybe I just got lucky but I loved it and can't thank you enough for all of the help I've been getting from you and your videos. Even when you think you aren't demonstrating something important, like in this video I noticed how you were blending in and tried it myself exactly how you were; and it worked lol.

Awesome, I really love them.

Glad it was helpful!

Awesome!

Yep, I should have called out the white, the white is very shockingly smooth. The quality is great overall, they really impressed me. :)

@@VinceVenturella How does this white compare to the Warcolors white? (you were quite impressed with that one a paint comparison vid you made)

Yep, this is a wonderful beginners set, especially if they are using something like the GW Base/Wash/Highlight technique.

Good note, yes my bottles all say 20ml, so I am not sure. They must have been a misprint, sorry for the incorrect statement for sure.

Yep, they are wonderful. :)

I mean, can you ever really have too many paints?? (Spoiler: No, no you cannot. ;) )

@@VinceVenturella Got my Pro Acryl set yesterday and have been playing about with them since and boy oh boy they are the shiz, right! Yea couldn't agree more, just ordered the Kimera One Pigment set, looking forwards to messing with those too.

@@HiveMind3006 How do you like the kimera paints compared to pro acryl? What do you use these days? :)

Glad you're enjoying.

Yep, I would say the main difference (as I have used a lot of the extra opaque and like them) is these are much smoother and flow better. These are really quite unique in their behavior.

Yup these Monument Pro Acryl blow Vallejo's Extra Opaque line out the water, I can say these paints are special!

Yep, they work great through an airbrush and yes, more colors are on the way. No brushes, but I will review them if I get a chance.

That all seems right.

Yep, the Neon set is in use and testing right now, reviews coming sometime soon. :)

Yeah, they are strange to adjust to, but I really like them actually.

Yep, I am going to be trying the Kimera as well. I am very interested in the new Scale 75 kickstarter, I will be watching that as well.

Depends on what your goals are. :) - These are fairly high opacity, so they will cover the work, but that being said, having a zenithal base coat can still be valuable as it helps you use less layers to achieve a truer and brighter color. I have several videos in the Hobby Cheating playlist, so I would check those out as it can give more information - Here is a recent one, but there is more - kzfaq.info/get/bejne/m6mYaMV7xpzac2w.html

@@VinceVenturella awesome, thanks for the explanation and the link. I've been watching a lot of your videos lately, so I'll keep my eyes peeled for more of those zenithal priming ones 😀

You'll love them, they are wonderful for sure.

@@VinceVenturella thanks...got me subscribing to your channel as well

Vince: Thankyou for the review..my pro acryl order came Friday..and am very pleased ..honest paint...ordered more, and miniatures as well...

I haven't seen those, but I have come to really like the design.

Do you use them for mini painting?

I do. I have had some good results, both straight out of the bottle, and mixed with vallejo paints and daler rawney inks.

This one is very pink, so it had to go in the rotation. :)

I've just discovered the Fluorescent Pink in the FW line. Its pink, very pink!

Yep, it's Monument Pro Acryl, same paints, that's them.

I am going to pick up the kimera colors as well, so we will see.

Vince Venturella i have yet to try out mine. Haven’t had the time yet sadly.

I've used both kimera and pro acryl at this point. Kimera is also very pigment rich, but they don't feel as opaque or have as good as flow as these. With Kimera, it feels like you really need to 'learn' how to use them. And that's been reflected by several folks I've talked with. It feels like they're more like colors to add into other paints, rather than paints themselves. Getting basecoats with them feels much much different IMO. They're not bad, but very different. Whereas the Pro Acryls just feel like a natural evolution/extension of other paints.

Chris S cool thanks for sharing your thoughts. i’ve also found kimera to not be the easiest to work with from the get-go. however i’ve bekomen happy with them and they sure work great to create some very rich colors. i’ll see how they compare to pro acryl soon as i have a small set coming my way

@@edokalkman5898 How did they compare? (pro acryl vs kimera)? Do you recommend one over the other?

They are hydrophilic, there isn't much else you can do. Now, as to alternatives. AK 3rd gen would be my recommendation.

@@VinceVenturella thanks a Lot. I think i order the 100 Box of ak and a small batch of scale to try them out. I asked Monument the Same question about the wet palette and they Said :"there is no problem with hydrophilic paints in our Line" :) . But i saw you used them on a dry palette also and youre the content creator who deep dives honest in the most paints, and you arent Sponsored by the manufacturers. So i thought asking you is the best solution. Thanks for the quick answer

Myself as well. :)

Interesting, I will check it out.I love unusual stuff like this as you never know what you can find when you look outside of miniature painting. :)

Yep, I will have a review coming, but I like it. :)

@@VinceVenturella Looking forward to it, thanks! If you haven’t filmed it yet, I’d love to hear your thoughts on both how it behaves when creating glazes/washes for Pro Acryl specifically, as well as how it differs from other mediums out there. I think in your other video where you discussed mediums you didn’t really differentiate by brand or what may make one medium better/different than another, you just said they all serve the same basic goal.

There could be for sure. ;)

Interesting, the bottles all say 20ml. I love all my paints and nothing is ever going to be my only paint line, but happily these have found a place in the larger paint ecosystem. :)

@@VinceVenturella just saying what their website says. Idk

@@mikebreazeale2563 Yep, very strange (sorry if that was a curt response before, I was responding to several different items). I'll send a note to clarify. :)

huh, that's cool. I wasn't sure at first, but I really like them after using them for a while.

They are in the same camp for me, in fact, these have entered my rotation with those two as I tend to wet blend and loaded brush a lot, so these fit right in. Overall quality, on the same level, the only real draw back right now is of course the small range of colors.

So a couple of things here. I love Pro Acryl, but their metals are average at best. It's a weak spot in the line. That being said, metals in general you don't really want to use much water with them, they have bad coverage for most (I have videos specific to good metal paint lines in the playlist, so check those out if you want to see the best in action), but the key here is you really don't thin them much and you need to smooth on the miniature. What I mean here is you apply some of the paint with little thinning, then you smooth it out and push it around on the miniature to flatten it ou and work it smooth.

​@@VinceVenturella thanks for the advice. I'll probably strip my Caladius (for the second time) because I think I spent 3 hours applying layers, still getting some brush texture. I'm going to have to get some gold that doesn't require like 5 layers to get opaque coverage.

Interesting, mines always been that way. :)

I love Pro Acryl, but AK 3rd Gen is great for sure.

COuld be that particular paint, but realistically, scale 75 shouldn't be thinned like vallejo, it's actually meant to be applied more thickly, only thined slightly and then painted on the surface, like you spread the paint a lot more and move it around the surface. But my honest answer is if it's giving you trouble, just stick with vallejo and use an ultra matte varnish afterward, no reason to kill yourself over a brand of paint.

@@VinceVenturellasorry for the long essay but ya i hear ya and completely understand. It's just that a lot of people praise it and a few have problems like me. I was trying to find out what i was doing wrong. It's like, when i misplace something that i know is there, and i can't stop looking for it till i find it, same story with these here. i tired painting it that way too, un-thinned, and it still applied with heavy brush strokes, just thicker. I tried the spread out technique on the surface and it'still applies quite translucent. The AK matt varnish, can that be applied by brush? I'm going to purchase the Pro-Acryl paints i read good things about them thanks to you, very convincing product, but i would still like to try the Scale Artist 20ml tube paints. If i had problems with the original paint line, you think i'll have the same issues with the tubes? I seen a Scale produced video where they apply the paint no problem with the Artist line, but then again i seen a video of them brush paint the Warfront set on a figure in two coats with no streaks. Maybe because i was doing my tests on a flat surface of a primed white CD case and people are using these paints on small 28-35mm areas that i was getting the results i was getting? facebook.com/Scale75official/videos/-how-to-paint-a-fieldgrey-uniform-heres-an-easy-step-by-step-video-guide-get-the/302858804825002/?__so__=permalink&__rv__=related_videos

Thank you sir, happy to help as always. :)

Pink was the color of manlieness in the US until the 1920's. :)

Vince Venturella in italy we use to say that “only a true man can wear a pink shirt”, that’s because a “menly” man can wear pink without the risk of looking femminine, while less masculine ones seems to be effeminate if wearing pink 🙃

It's okay, but it's quite hydrophillic, so it will actually break down when in a sealed wet palette pretty fast, but it's great while it's open.

@@VinceVenturella that magenta also doesn’t look very magenta to me. Looks like a pepto bismal pink.

Yes Warcolours does make such a set, you may see a review of that coming soon. ;)

Hey Dave, we're in the process of sending out all the paints to the UK / EU warehouse as we speak. Hoping by the end of them month at the latest.

@@MonumentHobbies thanks there's nothing more I like better in the hobby than experimenting with paints.

If you are using a quick base coating style, then yes. If you are using my speed painting, washes and glazes, not really as you have to thin them quite a bit. If you are using wet blending for speed painting - they YES as they are amazing at that. :)

Or should I stick with my scale 75 to wetblend? So many options.... So little room on the desk....

Well, stay tuned, there is a video that will be of great interest to you coming soon. That being said, S75, Warcolours and Pro Acryl are all great for wet blending and I do think Pro Acryl is probably the best.

If they are good when thinned they can be airbrushed fine. I would imagine these would do great through an airbrush.

@@marcellogenovese199 Thanks. Definately gonna give them a go.

Yep, just fine through the airbrush. :)

@@VinceVenturella thanks Vince. I thought they would be. Not available in uk as yet but l have a large shopping list and plenty of time. No minis on that list. Got plenty of "gray" as it is and not much finished. All heading in right direction though. At the moment if it's gray it's still in its box and not coming out until all the grey has gone from the table. New start new regime. Thanks for the sage advice on keeping motivated Vince. I am following it and it works. Thanks again.

It's a fair point if you're looking for single pigment clarity.

Yes, it's happening because basically the capilary action within the bottle. The air is drawing the liquid up like a straw. One of the things you can do is basically open it just a tad and then kind of smack it lightly to break up the liquid.

Just water.

Yes, I have the additional colors as well, I love the whole range, including the transparents.

Definitely get rid of those, the GW metals are, frankly, pretty bad. What you want is Vallejo Metal Color, not game, not model, not air, Vallejo Metal Color (www.amazon.com/Vallejo-Steel-Metal-Color-Paint/dp/B012A93HZS/ref=asc_df_B012A93HZS/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=309960515256&hvpos=1o1&hvnetw=g&hvrand=8843006619550929445&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9014913&hvtargid=pla-435000542780&psc=1) I have a review on my channel, they are the only acryllic metal paints I use. They are amazing. Steel, Silver, Copper and Gold would be your 4 starting. They are more expensive for sure, but they are much larger bottles and worth every penny. As a note, they have amazing coverage and can blend, but they are quite liquidy, you need to be wicking your brush off in a paper towel before touching it to your model.

Vallejo Metal Color specifically.

yes, they are still just water based acrylics, it's just the additive mix and pigment density. I can't say on the ASTM, but I would imagine so. I would email them to be sure, but there is no chemical difference between these and other acrylic paints I know of.

You need to go get the Vallejo Metal COlor Acrylics, in the end, everything else is just a pretender to the throne.

here you go: creaturecaster.store/us/product/pro-acryl-full-set/

Sorry, missed it initially, it's up there now. :)

I'll see what I can do. I have a couple in the queue, but I will try to get them in as well.

I couldn't say on the direct comparison, it's been years since I have used GW paints. I will say I love (LOVE) their whites, their Bold Titanium White is buttery smooth and flows really, really well and the ivories are wonderful.

@@VinceVenturella Thanks! I'll go ahead and pick up a yellow along with the whites. It's not that expensive so I might as well give it a shot.

Strange, haven't run into the issue and those are two of my favorite colors, I find they base coat well, but it may be in the method. Are you thinning them way out? I will say I generally apply them pretty straight, and then smooth on the miniture, working the brush to spread and feather out the paint and get good results there.

@@VinceVenturella hmm. Alright, I will give that a go. It’s also been a while since I’ve really had opportunity to sit down, so I might have to reteach myself some paint consistency.

I don't find much use for the Transparents over something like an ink, but the rest of the range is great.

@@VinceVenturella I am having the same issue. Cant seem to find where to fit them in. But very much agree, the paints are simply fantastic!

Haven't found the issue, but it might not be fully mixed, I will say you do have to give this one a good shake. It could also be a bad single paint. All lines have them sometimes.

@@VinceVenturella thanks Vince, I really appreciate the reply. Will stick it on the vortex for a good while next time!

I have, they are basically single pigments, so they are good for glazes and such.

@@VinceVenturella Thanks!

Like all paints, it's in the use, but they are great for those goals yes.

Well thank you, that's good to hear. :) - Now, as to their pigmentation, they are very highly pigments, strong opacity, but they aren't on the level of kimera, close but not there.

It has a really nice white, which is good, but I think it won't be necessary. For your Ice Trolls, we can do the white as the main color and glaze in the other colors like blues. If you were doing strong bold colors, might be better.

great I think I should have an airbrush sorted by next month. I want to move away from GW paints. What would be an ideal paint set to purchase to use with an airbrush with the trolls in mind?

@@DoomDarkness For starting Airbrushing, Vallejo Game Air is probably your best bet, and has some good colors for this purpose.

I love the Warcolours One Coat line, they are really good, I think these are easily on the level. I think the gel-based nature of the Warcolours has some advantages for void blending and two brush, but these are more opaque and have a different flow. I think it's the flow that really impresses me the most.

Vince Venturella Thanks! I guess I'll have to give these a try then!

There are a few single pigments int eh range, but most are mixtures. They will react as you would expect often when mixing.

That's strange, I haven't experienced that, my only thought is mix - we're they shaken enough? I suppose two other ideas - primer, did the primer layer go on clean or possibly you may need to thin more. This is all guesses.

You are absolutely correct, I might want to go back and swap the title screen.

Most are quite matte, but you’re correct, there are some dating colors in the mix.

Haven't tried the Kimera yet, though I certainly plan to in the future. As to layering and glazing, they are great as they are highly pigmented, but they do have to be thinned more than normal.

I love them all and have used them all a bunch, I couldn't give you a solid recomendation amongst the three, because it has more to do with your personal style. My best advice is order a small number of each and paint with them for several figures and see what suits your style best. I will say this, I honestly don't think you could go wrong with any of them.

Both maybe? Not sure,but either way, i know they are crazy pigmented as I can thin them wayyyyyyyyy out.

I use them on a wet palette, so certainly they are always somewhat thinned. I also often use a little bit of flow improver. That being said, I haven't seen too much issue with using it straight, but a little bit of water to make sure everything is flowing is never bad.

Something for the future then. ;)

They were one company but they split apart and Monument spun off basically.

You can see them in action on the lates videos of nex level painting and slow fuse gaming twitch channels. It seems that you have to put less paint than vallejo. www.twitch.tv/slowfusegaming/videos

Yep, i really should have mentioned this in the review, but they work just fine through the airbrush.

@@VinceVenturella Two years later and ive just ordered them

Like a dream

@@thephoenix8722 I ended up getting almost a whole set of these paints. For me, they don't work like a dream through the air brush. I still get dry tip often. Also, some of the paints come out chalky. Like Ivory. I contacted the manufacturer about this and they never replied after I showed them pictures.

@@Zac-Hansen interesting do you shake before use ? And use airbrush flow improver? Clean the tip after every use

@@thephoenix8722 of course I do.

It's a little stronger in color, but they are very nice, I really want to do a review of them at some point.

@@VinceVenturella I'll certainly look forward to that one...

Correct.

@@VinceVenturella and I forgot to add: Thank you for all your tutorials. Especially the “Start Here”. It is not only the content that makes those videos great, it is the way you relay the message. There’s a huge difference between someone boasting their skills or what they can do with miniatures and someone who TEACHES how to paint it. Way to go Vince !!!!

I understand, they have definitely changed since then and I spoke to the whole team as they made themselves available for my questions, it's clear they are very passionate and trying to correct from any of that. Not trying to change your mind, I completely get it, but I will say they assuaged any concerns I had.

I’m out of the loop here, what did he do?

They have a lot of similarities. Scale 75 (the normal line) is gel based, where the Pro Acryl is more traditional fluid. Both are great for wet blending, both are quite matte. The Pro Acryl is more pigment rich and seems be able to be thinned more. Both are great quality paints and honestly, they are easily on the level with Scale 75. The biggest difference is simply the size of the range, but that is something that will change over time.

Well, even in this case, the answer is it takes a few coats, the real answer though is why would you ever put yellow directly over black? Even if I weren't zenithaling (which I usually do), I would recommend something more neutral first that way you get a more true yellow as an in between step.

@@VinceVenturella yeah I get that just interesting to find out. Painting night goblins for instance for a commission, I've got like 100 to do and wanted to see if possible to get away with priming black and going straight in with a yellow rather than having to accurately airbrush prime each shield moon white first lol

Gotcha, that makes more sense, keeping the robes black, now I understand. Yeah, it's got strong coverage, but over straight black, we are still talking about 2-3 coats. :)