Project and Video Updates for July 2018

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Modern Classic

Modern Classic

Күн бұрын

Take a look at some of the stuff I've got going on or coming up. This video serves as both an update/future look at some videos in the pipeline, as well as a tie-up to a couple of the loose ends hanging around from previous videos I've done.
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@ModernClassic
@ModernClassic 6 жыл бұрын
Hey guys, so just to clarify about the floppy images (since some of you are asking) - IBM used to make disk images that were contained within a single DOS executable. The only way I know of to extract these is to run them in DOS with a standard floppy attached. A USB floppy won't work in DOS (or at least mine won't), Windows won't run the executable files from the command line, and DOSBox doesn't include the full floppy emulation that would let the executable work. One thing I haven't actually tried is using the Gotek on my P70 to run the executable in DOS and saving the files back to the Gotek. But this isn't the only case I've had recently - for example, I had a heck of a time writing that P70 reference disk too. I ended up getting that to work with my USB drive (there is a version out there that's a raw image file), but it would have been a heck of a lot easier if I just had a computer with a regular floppy drive.
@Ariscott56
@Ariscott56 6 жыл бұрын
Yeah how about Tandy PCs?
@CommodoreFan64
@CommodoreFan64 6 жыл бұрын
Modern Classic, I'm wondering if you have ever tried a Kryoflux USB Floppy Disk Controller? LGR aka Clint did a video about it in 2012, and I think it might be of some use for you. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/edd8qZuVkr2RaZc.html
@ModernClassic
@ModernClassic 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks - it's just not something I want to spend more than $100 on. Not when I have a tool to do the job sitting here already :)
@CommodoreFan64
@CommodoreFan64 6 жыл бұрын
Modern Classic, I can fully understand that, just had the video pop back into my head when watching this one, and thought if all else fails you might want to know about it, and at least contact Clint, and see if he could make the disk for you, as he seems really into backing up, and preserving software that has not been put online in any form. Anyways looking forward to all the upcoming videos. :-)
@niyablake
@niyablake 6 жыл бұрын
I don't know if you have VMware , but if you do see if you can spin up a copy of xp or w2k and extract them from the command line .
@kushanblackrazor6614
@kushanblackrazor6614 6 жыл бұрын
8-Bit guy films his card assemblies and I enjoy watching them, so there's your vote for that.
@ModernClassic
@ModernClassic 6 жыл бұрын
I'll look up some other similar videos and see if I think they're interesting, but I'm sure I'll film it anyway. Worst case I can use the footage in some other video about hard drive and floppy emulators in general, or something.
@ByteSizeThoughts
@ByteSizeThoughts 6 жыл бұрын
I love the hardware episodes so looking forward to thise updates. I'm still on the hunt for my first classic IBM pc down here in Australia! :)
@mrlurchAU
@mrlurchAU 6 жыл бұрын
Hey. An Aussie :)
@albundy8139
@albundy8139 6 жыл бұрын
Keep up the fantastic work, your delivery and video style are both educational and fun!
@AkaBigWurm77
@AkaBigWurm77 6 жыл бұрын
I always had a thing for the F keys being on the Left Side.. That layout worked really well with Flight Sim too
@jubsy
@jubsy 6 жыл бұрын
Awesome content. Thanks!
@E5rael
@E5rael 6 жыл бұрын
That poor zombieman; he just couldn't hit you. :3c Oh well, he tried.
@culturelab9679
@culturelab9679 6 жыл бұрын
Hey just discovered your channel-really awesome videos. I see a future lgr/techmoan in the making!
@duouk2000
@duouk2000 6 жыл бұрын
Really looking forward to the P70 and rail shooter episodes.
@CleverIdiot005
@CleverIdiot005 6 жыл бұрын
Can't wait for the keyboard comparison!
@ModernClassic
@ModernClassic 6 жыл бұрын
Yeah that one shouldn't be too difficult to do and I already have a ton of footage and pics of both. So it shouldn't take too long. Definitely sometime next month.
@tOSdude
@tOSdude 6 жыл бұрын
Humid days in Atlantic Canada as well.
@ThomasPerl4
@ThomasPerl4 6 жыл бұрын
A long shot, but maybe there is a mixer utility for the sound card where you need to adjust the volume for sampled audio? And/or connect/disconnect headphones? Failing that, maybe a OPL2LPT or Covox would be an acceptable fallback?
@mikv8
@mikv8 5 жыл бұрын
Have you tried turning off quick boot in the bios of your 600X? As far as I remember that helps to get sound working in dos on a 600E which has two audio chips in there (one for Windows and another legacy for compatibility). I don't actually remember if that's the case with the 600X and it still has two chips like the 600E or just a single one and that setting in bios has something to do with the discovery of the second 100% SB-compatible audio chip there that does work in DOS. Try digging out that stuff.
@JimLeonard
@JimLeonard 6 жыл бұрын
The non-standard IBM disk images usually came with a program to write them to floppy. What's preventing you from writing the disk image out to a floppy disk so that you can retrieve the files from it?
@ModernClassic
@ModernClassic 6 жыл бұрын
They're self-contained executable files that look for a floppy disk themselves, but they don't see a USB floppy or emulator even if the computer itself does.
@JimLeonard
@JimLeonard 6 жыл бұрын
So you need a tweener, which I believe you described in this video that you were in the process of (re)building. If you put Windows 95/98 on that system and shutdown to MS-DOS mode, you'll be able to run the executable which will build the disks. I've used a USB floppy successfully with DOS; the BIOS needs to have a certain amount of legacy support for USB devices in order for it to work.
@ModernClassic
@ModernClassic 6 жыл бұрын
Yes, that's the plan. Since I have this PC already, I may as well just get it working again for this purpose (and as a test machine). I have a USB floppy and have tried getting it to work on the ThinkPad in DOS, but no drivers I've tried have worked. It's an older USB drive that's based on a common TEAC drive internally, but neither the TEAC drivers nor the drivers from the manufacturer would get the ThinkPad to recognize it. I've had bad luck getting anything working over USB in DOS in that ThinkPad; as you say, probably its BIOS doesn't support it properly.
@MrJackSeverity
@MrJackSeverity 6 жыл бұрын
Keep up the top vids :) I would love to see more of your old Apple IIc and even the good old mac classic. How do you get software/games on to them, and the 1 BIG thing that no youtubers cover is productivity. eg word processing, banking, spreadsheets and so on. I recently wrote a book on my Apple iic and also did my weekly money planner on my commodore 64. I understand that there probably isn't a lot of people after videos like that but I find it very interesting to see what else these computers can do other then game. Geos for the c64 and apple iic is pretty amazing! :) anyway keep up the top work and look forward to your next video!!
@ModernClassic
@ModernClassic 6 жыл бұрын
I've been thinking about doing a video on getting software onto older machines... I guess it seems kind of elementary at this point but it probably isn't to a lot of people. I have a bunch of floppy and hard drive emulators for different systems now so I may do a feature on that; thanks for the suggestion.
@twoquickcapri
@twoquickcapri 6 жыл бұрын
Are you still going to a video about the bolt mod for the Model M?
@ModernClassic
@ModernClassic 6 жыл бұрын
I do plan to, it's just kind of on the back burner. The main reason is that I don't need to - my Model M's are in fine condition, whereas I *do* need to do all this other stuff or those things I'm talking about just won't work. I will get to it, but most likely it's going to have to be at a time when I don't have anything else on the workbench.
@Vynncent
@Vynncent 6 жыл бұрын
Perhaps a PC Card floppy drive would work with the ThinkPad? I haven't personally tried one, but I know they exist
@infinitecanadian
@infinitecanadian 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for keeping the 15 year old computer. I think it's a nice computer.
@Ariscott56
@Ariscott56 6 жыл бұрын
Have you seen anything about LGR? I know he might be able to be interesting of IBM PCs
@kinxofsepluv
@kinxofsepluv 6 жыл бұрын
So from backing up many of my father's PC Clone's' 5.25 720kb floppy disks, I discovered that old dos systems don't write their header to the disk, simply letting the system assume that file system is fat12. You can often copy a working formated disk's header of the right size to the disk image, and them mounting them in linux. You should have access to them in linux after mounting them. I was able to use these images in linux, but not in the gotek floppy emulator. I'm not sure what's up with it. I haven't tried this with the HxC floppy emulators, or gotek with a HxC firmware.
@michaelsworkshop9031
@michaelsworkshop9031 6 жыл бұрын
When you say in this video that you have disk images of floppies that won't work in emulators, what do you mean by this? Do you mean that the disk images won't mount properly in the emulator, so you cannot see what is in the filesystem? Or do you mean the disk images mount in the emulator, but it is pointless trying to mount and use a driver disk for hardware the emulator doesn't contain?
@ModernClassic
@ModernClassic 6 жыл бұрын
I mean that they're self-contained executable files (the image extractor is part of the image) that look for a floppy and won't see one connected if you're using a USB drive or emulator. There's no way to extract the files to anything but an actual floppy disk that I've found.
@michaelsworkshop9031
@michaelsworkshop9031 6 жыл бұрын
Have you tried opening the .EXE files with WinZip or WinRAR ? Some of those self-extracting executables can be opened this way and the disk image separated from the attached executable part that writes the floppy. You literally open the .EXE as if it was an archive using the archive utility. I have seen and used some of those floppy maker programs you are describing from Compaq and from IBM, so I remember what they were like, but this may work. If you can point me at which disk image you're trying to open, I could try to open it or extract it here and send you what I find inside, using my real floppy drive I have handy.
@noelj62
@noelj62 6 жыл бұрын
Recapping that old floppy drive was a bit hasty. Yes caps fail due to age; but I usually go for the mechanical parts first. The head, the tracks, the presence of corrosion, and cracked solder joints. Recapping may be necessary, but it's a time-consuming and laborious process that may go to waste due to misdiagnosed problem.
@ModernClassic
@ModernClassic 6 жыл бұрын
Check the previous video (linked in this video at that section) - the caps literally fell off when I took the drive out to look at it. And the reason the traces are shot is because two of the caps leaked all over the board.
@ModernClassic
@ModernClassic 6 жыл бұрын
Just realized it actually wasn't in that video but was a photo I posted in a comment on that video, so you probably wouldn't have run across it unless you were looking. Sorry about that. But yeah, it was in definite need of a re-cap no matter what.
@noelj62
@noelj62 6 жыл бұрын
Modern Classic No problem. It's preferable though to have a doner drive to swap circuits and mechanics between the two.
@orangeActiondotcom
@orangeActiondotcom 6 жыл бұрын
Use a $10 USB floppy drive and the Linux 'dd' command to write disk images?
@ModernClassic
@ModernClassic 6 жыл бұрын
Doesn't work when the image is contained as a DOS executable. The problem is that I can't get the files. If I could get the files, I wouldn't need to write the floppy at all.
@georgemaragos2378
@georgemaragos2378 6 жыл бұрын
Hi Good to see i am not the only person who struggles with PC at times Re the PC - are the floppies original 360 only - they probably are, i cant recall if you have a hard drive in that machine, so we have some issues / standards to look at 360 floppy only, well it becomes a floppy boot machine and a slave drive 360 floppy x2 and hard drive, i would use laplink 3 to 5 ( or fast lynx ) and use the correct parallel port or cross over serial port cables - i bought some of ebay but they did not work i just chopped it in half and tested pins with multimeter and butchered a working cable Laplink etc will only work in pure dos mode, you must boot of boot floppy or up to dos 6.22, you cannot run within dos box on on XP machine, you can actually use a machine that has dos / win 3.1 / Win 95 / Win 98 but on the start up menu hit F5 or F8 to go to dos prompt - donto go into windows, then you will be able to use the hardware from dos level Everything after Win98 eg ME / 2000 / XP / Vista etc is not dos based it is NT based as such it does not access physical devices via bios / hardware everything needs a windows driver , also the dos prompt is just a emulator - this is why you cannot run a ISA sound blaster or run dos games that use a sound blaster, the program runs, but stutters on the sound You may be able to get a parallel port Zip drive running, the internals are IDE or scsi so that wont run on PC / XT class Typically you should be able to connect similar age machines or machines within the next 2 generations I have P100 - P2 - P4 - P4 Celeron - Core2Duo and I3 - I5 - I7 Software is form Dos to Win98 to XP to Win 7 and Win 10 and they all see the same network in windows, well win 98 is a bit funny as it can see the win7 shares, but you cannot access the fuiles from the Win98 machine, you can however from the Win 7 machine see the Win98 shares and drop files, it never worked, now it works this way once i changed the Win98 setup to have a login password as this is necessary in the old imbedded security( yeah you can still do escape and run win98 but it uses some other protocol or something that the Win X and Win7 can talk to ) 286 and newer you can get a combo controller card with IDE connectors I dont know if you can get say a old ISA sound blaster with the matching cdrom and use that - i do still use my ISA SB1.5 and the 2 speed cdrom to this day on a Series 5 Pentium 100 system and also a Pentium 2 You can run 8bit ISA networks cards such as 3com or a NE2000 clone, from there you can use dos networking to get to a remote drive on another machine The laptop with the sound issues is typical to generic cards that are not fully dos compatible, i have this issue with a Dell 2400 with a PCI card with the Crystal CM18738, it is DOS compatible, plays sound and FM and no most games digital sound but not doom, it has the same issues as your video on time stamp 8:44 it shows the IRQ and DMA, but it wont "pop" so you get music but not the gun sounds - which is very important in that game. The only thing i suggest is check the bios and turn of IRQ 5 or the printer and try and rerun the sound card dos initialization to IRQ5 or IO 220 , somewhere on Vogons i found a good tutorial about the IO IRQ etc as i had issues with my SB1.5 and it explained the setting and how each device is like 10 or 20 of the prior setting with the cdrom - you may need to turn of serial ports in bios as well as it will allow some rearranging of resources The only other way s to use the laptop with Win98 and set up the resources as a windows music device and then click doom from the file manager, it should launch a dos prompt and run ( note often you may need to rerun Doom set up - typically i do and select the music and hardware options save and run ) Nortons System Info ( i think i use version 5 ) is also useful to tell you what is being used, it is like a early windows MSD diagnostics. The gotek is good, i have on on my P100, it is excellent to boot of the first image, and the other images are good to place your original floppy install or backups, you can d/l some file images and convert them for use on the gotek, however i do find it very slow as it emulates the hardware to good as it uses the floppy access speed, also to copy fro say image / disk 1 to image disk 2 cant really be done ie star of in first drive, then type b: hit enter , it prompts for b drive, then you change the number on the gotek screen and press enter, it then access that file image, now you can copy a file from B: to A: but it takes forever, it seems to copy like 10k then ask to swap drives, so you change the numbers on the control panel then it writes, then it asks for b: again , i copies a small dos file under 100k and it took a few attempts - so normally when i use the gotek, i use the P100 , it has 16meg ram and i use 8 meg as a ramdrive - i use that as c drive and file swaping is very fast now, this is how i run doom and wolf3d and win311 on the P100 with just a Gotek - all it needs a working 3.5 floppy chain Cool , Regards George
@LuisFernando-Salazar
@LuisFernando-Salazar 6 жыл бұрын
Hello. I have an IBM PC-XT with the XT-IDE from Glitch Works. I'm using it with a CF to IDE adapter and a 1GB CF card. I have no experience with DOS systems and I've had some issues creating DOS partitions. I'm using DOS 2.10 in floppy disks to make the CF card bootable with DOS, but DOS 2.10 is only allowing me to create one 32mb partition. I also tried DOS 3.3 with Virtualbox on a Windows machine and a USB CF card reader. DOS 3.3 allows me to create multiple partitions. One 32mb primary DOS partition, which is set to active, that I make bootable with DOS 3.3 and an extended partition with several 32mb logical drives. When I try to boot from this on VIrtualbox it works fine, but when I try to boot with this on my PC-XT, it doesn't work. It hangs right after selecting the XT-IDE drive. Also, I'm not able to access these logical drives through Windows, only the primary partition. As you can see I'm having some issues here and I'm looking forward to see how it goes for you.
@ModernClassic
@ModernClassic 6 жыл бұрын
This is the kind of thing that I'm probably just going to need to try before I know exactly how it should work, but I know that DOS 2.1 doesn't actually support more than one partition. That was added in DOS 3.3. Why 3.3 isn't working for you, though, I don't know. My guess is that you need to format and partition the card as you would have a real hard drive in those days, ie. boot to DOS 3.3 (or later) on the XT, then run fdisk, format and sys c:. Something's probably going wrong in the translation from Virtualbox. It does seem like kind of a chicken/egg thing to me at the moment, ie. you might need to get a physical DOS 3.3 disk from somewhere if you don't have one. If so, I will be in the same boat, since my PC has DOS 3.2, not 3.3. There are listings for DOS versions that should work on Ebay for around $15; I might have to do that too. The real problem is the 5.25" floppies and that original floppy controller; otherwise you could just use a floppy emulator for the initial boot.
@LuisFernando-Salazar
@LuisFernando-Salazar 6 жыл бұрын
This afternoon I ordered a hard copy of IBM DOS 3.3 on 5.25" floppy disks on eBay. I'll let you know how it goes!
@wing0zero
@wing0zero 6 жыл бұрын
Looking forward to the rail shooter video, as for best cart has to be SNES for me, maybe because of the fondest memories, UK cart though not US, the PC Engine was smart too as it was a slim card.
@ModernClassic
@ModernClassic 6 жыл бұрын
Yeah I have a love/hate relationship with the US SNES carts. I think the UK ones are like the Japanese ones, which don't have the negative qualities of the US ones (mostly that they look super-goofy and feel cheap!).
@dominikschutz6300
@dominikschutz6300 6 жыл бұрын
Conflicting IRQ for that Sound issue?
@ModernClassic
@ModernClassic 6 жыл бұрын
I've tried it on different ones, though. I suppose it's possible that there's something conflicting on all three IRQ's I've tried. (Though I don't know what... maybe I could try disabling the DOS mouse driver and see what happens.)
@michaelsworkshop9031
@michaelsworkshop9031 6 жыл бұрын
Have you tried running Windows on this machine with proper sound drivers installed, and then examining which Port, IRQ, etc Windows is using successfully, and then attempt using those same ones back in DOS using switches or in the config files?
@betamax80
@betamax80 6 жыл бұрын
I used to have a LOT of this trouble with Crystal sound chips. It's very likely a conflict or just not the "preferred" IRQ for it - I always found it did not tell you there was an issue. Very annoying.
@ModernClassic
@ModernClassic 6 жыл бұрын
I'll try that about checking in Windows. One other thing is that it seems like no matter how I set things in the Autoexec.bat, it always sets itself up the way it is in the video here. (I think it's using A240 D7 I3). So right now I'm matching that, but I've also tried running without it at all. I've also tried setting it differently, of course, but the driver itself just keeps reporting the same setup that it seems to like.
@ZoomPicard
@ZoomPicard 6 жыл бұрын
I noticed there was not a set blaster line after the crystal tsr was loaded. Have you tried adding that as some games just look for that set blaster parameter
@teresamartinson7427
@teresamartinson7427 6 жыл бұрын
this was released 1 day from my b day. got a apple ii+
@Madness832
@Madness832 6 жыл бұрын
Can't say I've ever seen a lavender video card.
@ModernClassic
@ModernClassic 6 жыл бұрын
That may have been one reason why I bought it. It was almost 20 years ago so I'm not sure, but I admit to buying things based on looks occasionally.
@CommodoreFan64
@CommodoreFan64 6 жыл бұрын
Modern Classic, I personally think we all buy some things because of their to some degree, or another, even if we know it, or we know it, but don't always care to admit.
@skyfrost_rouge1216
@skyfrost_rouge1216 6 жыл бұрын
There is a floppy drive the you can use usb with
@ModernClassic
@ModernClassic 6 жыл бұрын
I have a USB floppy drive; USB floppy drives don't really work like real floppy drives in every situation. The IBM diskette images, for example, won't even see a disk in a USB floppy drive (even if the computer itself does).
@mrlurchAU
@mrlurchAU 6 жыл бұрын
I realise Panzer Dragoon will get a shout out on the Saturn, but Panzer Dragoon Orta on the original Xbox deserves a shout out :)
@ModernClassic
@ModernClassic 6 жыл бұрын
Don't worry :)
@netiosys4677
@netiosys4677 6 жыл бұрын
I always confuse you with vwestlife
@FoxMulder78
@FoxMulder78 6 жыл бұрын
His voice is like a blend of VWestlife with Druaga1.
@michaelsworkshop9031
@michaelsworkshop9031 6 жыл бұрын
I have downloaded the ThinkPad 600x Audio driver floppy from thinkpads.com and extracted it on a machine containing a real floppy, onto the real floppy drive as it was requesting. It extracted a bunch of files there, which appear to be the audio driver setup for Windows 3.1. The readme on thinkpads.com says this is what they provide (and that they don't provide a separate, DOS-only installation of the audio drivers). I have zipped up the contents of this floppy disk, and will send you a private message with a link to download the contents over Twitter.
@ModernClassic
@ModernClassic 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you! I will look for it.
@ModernClassic
@ModernClassic 6 жыл бұрын
I just realized my Twitter was not set up to accept DM's - I've changed that now, in case you weren't able to send one before.
@michaelsworkshop9031
@michaelsworkshop9031 6 жыл бұрын
OK I just tweeted at you a second time just now with the download link
@danielgeno6624
@danielgeno6624 6 жыл бұрын
i want to propose you a project..... transform an AGP 2x card, so it can be used on an AGP 8x slot. why? voodoo 5 cards are expensive and rare, and people have been doing all sorts of mods with them, there is even an agp to pci adapter sold in japan many years ago that was really expensive, anywhay some people in europe modified a voodoo5 agp 2x to run on an agp 8x slot. Most of the images got lost because of imageshack. but its a clean mod if you buy an agp riser and know how to feed 3.3v to the agp 2x card.
@Trusteft
@Trusteft 6 жыл бұрын
Well, if you are going to do a video on rail shooters, I hope you also at least mention the perhaps only proper rail shooter game, Roller Coaster Rumbler! Where you are actually on rails. I did a short video on it a couple of years ago and whenever I hear rail shooters, that's the first thing I think of. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/aK6Cm5ChmrObpZ8.html
@ModernClassic
@ModernClassic 6 жыл бұрын
Until Dawn: Rush of Blood is also a rail shooter where you're actually on rails shooting stuff. I'll have to think about Roller Coaster Rumbler :)
@Trusteft
@Trusteft 6 жыл бұрын
Good point. :)
@mrlurchAU
@mrlurchAU 5 жыл бұрын
Hah. And then your XTIDE vid gets 20K views :D
@alainyeoh4416
@alainyeoh4416 5 жыл бұрын
My wife made me throw it away. It was not making money for our computer business sniff I remember it fondly. I HAVE ALL my old software for it if you need any of it and email me at my gmail.
@erlichbachman3330
@erlichbachman3330 6 жыл бұрын
Very hot day, wearing two layers of clothing ☺
@ModernClassic
@ModernClassic 6 жыл бұрын
Need a shirt to hold the mic :)
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