What about anti-nutrient in legumes? Im not against vegans but I'm confused about it. Im vegetarian by the way.

The sources link got messed up in the description too

@@mitchelfranco5858 Check that out by NutritionFactsOrg 👍 Phytates have e.g. anti-cancerous abilities.

@@mitchelfranco5858 You just cook them. Or you can eat canned beans which have been pre-cooked.

See you at the campout bro!

So, the peed out which causes the color to the toilet is a sign of kidney problem so will lead to kidney stone and kidney disease? So, ya are saying it does not pee out since protein is still inside but the process of kidney cause repel of water which causes color comes out as lower water so there is a block of water within as need higher absorb of water to decrease the color of pee, so still, a problem since you are drinking more to counterbalance the color which a marker of a problem with kidney so a block in the kidney?

He says it’s an uric coating on the urinals, so I suppose he’s just shortening his comment and he knows proteinuria is the bad way for the body to eliminate proteins, otherwise such protein excess will always become urea, right? Uric compounds

of course, the entire video is a lie.

​@@shakaama What I've Learned's video is, yep.

@@absolutezeromusicofficial no, this vegan one is all lies. All you vegans will be changing your tune one day when you reach your health crisis. it’s just weird to see how stubborn you are now, not listening to anyone. Will you remember the voices of reason sounding now when you’re forced to change your ways in the future? Nope, because if you aren’t listening now, how can you be forming a memory of if for later. Your ego is too strong to allow the rest of your brain to listen to reason. That or you’re so mad at how humans treat animals you’d rather slowly off yourselves nutritionally. I don’t even know why we try to tell you. There’s too many humans on the planet anyways, veganism drastically shortening lifespans is a good thing. I suppose it’s just out of avoiding future guilt that we warn you now. Good luck vegans 👍

Thanks. Mic tends to be "not correct" from time to time :)

You can do that, boy. If you want to be that legit - go check it out for your own.

He often cites conflicts of interest

as all vegans he use "trust me bro" source about all topics in his life

Check out dr ecclestyn if you really want to know as he uses studies that he refers too also plantchompers is excellent at showing studies.

@@gustach6167 all vegans? have you checked all of them?

care to elaborate ?

Sounds like you need to rewatch the video.

But then who is correct? I'm eating nothing at this rate

No, Mic didn't cherry-pick any data he. He dismantled WIL's misuse of DIAAS data and cited a whole bunch of data proving plant protein is decisively healthier than animal protein.

@KZfaq Account I'm a university-based researcher, and I study nutrition and how people get confused about it. That is just what the facts show. Plant protein is generally healthier, and diets dominated by whole plant foods result in the best overall long-term health outcomes. And we know lots of reasons that explain that pattern of results. Take care.

@@karlwheatley1244 Mic cherry-picked data just like anyone else would to prove their point. Can't wait for someone else to make a video to dismantle Mic's misuse of data and citing a whole bunch of data proving animal protein is decisively better than plant protein. Thus, the cycle continues and nothing gets solved. No one who truly cares is conceding or reaching a middle ground, it is just tribalism and it enriches these grifters.

@KZfaq Account I just checked my email, don't see anything from you.

Lol.. u see nobody is responding to you? Cuz it’s always feelings over facts. Good job pointing it out.

One small ship of sanity in an ocean of ignorance.

It is true not all you eat is absorbed. Its why the content of consumption is often reflected in stool samples and not uniformly standard. However, from what I'm aware of, the concepts behind fiber's function in the digestive tract is that it actually serves both to increase time spent in the intestines (by slowing traversal) as well as decreasing absorption speed. It is not actually as 'entrapped' as you suggest, as during processing it is chewed. A more accurate depiction is that fiber proportionally reduces absorption, not necessarily reducing absorbtion heavily in specific amino acids which is likely how people are interpreting your statement. An argument can be made about how proteins can bind, and as you mention proteins being glucoronized (a relationship I am unfortunately not familiar with, so I will not contest), but this is not reflected by outcome data to effectively negate said dietary pattern. Furthermore, it is a very well known phenomenon within the vegan community in regards to bio-availibility and food pairings, such as in regards to iron, (pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20226993/) where for in vivo studies with rats, " The presence of both garlic and iron led to a 2-fold increase in plasma iron and a 50% increase in liver iron as compared with iron alone". There is also the theory of pepper increasing overall absorption by agitating the intestinal wall, allowing easier passage through the intestinal barrier. Furthermore, the dietary pattern again does not reflect broad trends in literature reviews (www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8003004/)--"In conclusion, although the participants were eating a plant-based diet, the majority had sufficient iron status. Female vegans and vegetarians of reproductive age are at risk of low iron status and should have their iron status monitored". I should mention however, that I have seen studies that do show an elevated risk among plant-based dieters. The common trend however is that they are fruitarians or raw food dieters. Secondly, yes carnivores often do not need to put in the work of metabolizing plants, and often in pure volume require higher levels of consumption. However, this is because they process plants, and must break down cell walls through manual grinding in addition to lengthy gastro-intestinal processing. Being facetious here, humans cook food. I only stumbled across this video from KZfaq recommendations, and am surprised people are still disagreeing years later.

@@maverick5989 unfortunately dear maverick, nobody responds because this is an old video that covers a topic that vegans have had to rebuke time and time again. Again, I urge you to review the literature on this issue and understand the hierarchy of scientific evidence, which lists mechanism below epidemiological data in regards to outcomes. That is to say, understanding a small mechanism within the biochemical process does not in fact predict its final result.

@@maverick5989t. “ ha ha I’m totally not doing the same thing.”

Wow. I love this! I wish more people got to see your comment. I found his video a little unprofessional in his assertions because the other video makes it clear that plant protein are a suitable option, you just have to eat more of it. its all about the individuals golas and what makes you feel best and this me vs them approach is very irritating. Nutrition is SO complex, and there cannot be one answer as humans are a diverse group of people. thanks for your opinion, a lot of people dont actually have exposure to people who are in food production.

" he quotes a lot of Chinese and European studies which i bet are funded by the World Economic Forum and other Soros interest groups. " That's a strange conspiracy theory. Peer-reviewed studies have to pass peer review, and the Chinese are doing amazing things in science, so doubting the validity of Chinese studies just because they are from China is both unscientific and racist. "he just points out that you have to consume twice as many calories to get all the amino acids necessary to make the plant proteins absorbable." That's simply not true: Vegans can get all the protein they need without overconsuming calories. Vegans on average are the slimmest group--the only one with a normal average BMI in some studies. "The other thing he forgets to mention even though he loves to talk about hormone effect is the amount of phytoestrogen vegans get with their diet. Too much estrogen for both men and women is a bad thing. " You just mixed up phytoestrogens with estrogens. Eating phytoestrogens BLOCKS the estrogen receptors, so it LOWERS estrogen levels for both women and men (thus lowering cancer risk), without lowering levels of testosterone. "I bet if his studies compared clean animal protein diets to clean vegan diets you'd see a significant difference in the positive towards animal protein." NO. There are a wide variety of mechanisms by which eating more animal protein simply promotes more disease--he walked through some of them in the video. Mic already made a video debunking the story you linked to on vegan diets and IQ. And the research clearly shows that WHOLE food carbs--which is what Mic promotes--REDUCE inflammation and disease.

@@karlwheatley1244 Oh man taking a classic page out of the SJW playbook by claiming racism and conspiracy theory to discredit an argument super logical. China the Communist country we're potentially going to war with if they invade Taiwan as well as the one that developed a virus that allowed almost every first world nation to turn into a tyrannical police state. That China funds Chinese and European scientists to do a plethora of immoral science. Like weaponizing viruses, cloning humans and trying to push a diet that will enfeeble their enemies to make them easier to conquer and control while making sure their people stay strong and brainwashed into believing they are the chosen race. This rhymes like WW2 Japan. I'm sorry if that's too conspiracy for your liberal idealism. He never proves that in his video because he never shows the part with the Doctor saying that. Also you saying them being the slimmest totally contradicts his comments that vegans aren't malnourished as well as BMI is bull. Show me a body composition study if you want any weight to your argument there. Being slim doesn't equate to better health, way to body shame. Phytoestrogen acts just like regular estrogen except not as potent. Which means you need to consume a lot more to get the same affects which happens in a vegan diet. Look up how much phytoestrogen is in soy. Then you'll know how soy boys happen. As well as there are studies that too much soy can increase breast cancer risk. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/fLqDqa98vp2sdZ8.html www.breastcancer.org/research-news/soy-may-turn-on-genes-linked-to-cancer www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3074428/ His mechanism don't account for carbs, sugars, or vegetable oils. Also the animal protein diet has the benefit of history behind it. Humans have consumed animals since they were created and have survived this long. Please tell me again how your hippie dippie 1970s diet will make humans healthier. Herbivores are herbivores for a reason and the same with us omnivores. You're going to use the guy that we are debating about being legitimate to prove one of my points wrong that's like using a word in a definition. What research? You've provided nothing. Don't link him either as his research is already questionable at best. Just a last question here. Where's a link to his little amino acid calculator that shows the vegan diet works and DIAAS is useless? Which I point out he never actually disproved how the lack of amino acids required more food aka the statement from the Doctor.

@@FoolyCooly99 "Like weaponizing viruses, cloning humans and trying to push a diet that will enfeeble their enemies to make them easier to conquer and control while making sure their people stay strong and brainwashed into believing they are the chosen race." If you are serious in believing that nations are weaponizing diets, then your conspiracy theory should focus on the U.S. and European countries because it it the exporting of the "Standard American Diet" that is driving increases in disease all over the world. The best recent research clearly indicates that people are healthier when they replace more of the meat and dairy in their diets with whole plant foods. Mic reviewed some of that research in this video, and none of this is relying on Mic's judgment: Peer-reviewed studies clearly show that replacing meat/animal foods with whole plant foods reduces rates of disease and mortality. For example, “Consuming meat increases the risk of developing heart disease, diabetes, pneumonia, and several other conditions, according to a study published in BMC Medicine. Researchers compared meat intake with adverse health outcomes, including hospitalization and mortality, using data from the UK Biobank study. Those who ate meat three times a week or more had worse health outcomes when compared to those who ate less meat. Results showed higher risks for ischemic heart disease, pneumonia, diverticular disease, colon polyps, and diabetes for every 70 grams of red and processed meat consumed per day. Higher intake of poultry was associated with increased risk for gastroesophageal reflux disease, gastritis and duodenitis, diverticular disease, gallbladder disease, and diabetes. Possible mechanisms for the increased risk for disease include higher intakes of sodium, iron, nitrates and nitrites, bacteria, and saturated fat from consuming meat and higher LDL cholesterol levels and changes in gut microbiota associated with meat consumption. The authors call for additional research on the effects of disease incidence with decreased meat consumption.” Papier K, Fensom GK, Knuppel A, et al. Meat consumption and risk of 25 common conditions: Outcome-wide analyses in 475,000 men and women in the UK Biobank study. BMC Med. 2021;19(1):53-67. doi: 10.1186/s12916-021-01922-9 “Egg consumption increases risk for all-cause and cardiovascular disease mortality, according to a study published in the European Journal of Nutrition. Researchers compared egg intake with mortality risk in 20,562 participants with no cancer or heart disease diagnoses from the Moli-sani Study cohort. After a median 8.2 years, those who consumed more than four eggs per week increased their risk of death from all causes, heart disease, and cancer when compared to those who consumed zero eggs or one egg per week. A more moderate intake of two to four eggs per week increased the risk for cancer mortality and all-cause and heart disease mortality by 22% and 43%, respectively. For participants with hypertension and hyperlipidemia, an increase of one egg per week increased mortality risk. Higher dietary cholesterol and total cholesterol from egg intake accounted for the increased mortality risk. These results suggest that dietary guidelines discourage egg consumption, especially for high-risk individuals with hypertension and hyperlipidemia.” Ruggiero E, Di Castelnuovo A, Costanzo S, et al. Egg consumption and risk of all cause and cause specific mortality in an Italian adult population. Eur J Nutr. Published online March 24, 2021. doi: 10.1007/s00394-021-02536-w “Eating plant-based protein instead of animal protein reduces the risk for early death, according to a study published in JAMA Internal Medicine. Researchers compared protein intake and mortality rates of participants in the US National Institutes of Health-AARP Diet and Health Study. Those who ate more plant-based protein reduced their overall risk for death when compared to those who ate less plant-based protein. Results showed replacing 3% of animal protein with plant-based protein from foods such as bread, cereal, and pasta reduced the risk of death from heart disease by up to 12%. These associations were strongest when it came to replacing protein from eggs and red meat with plant protein. These findings support previous research that shows that plant-based protein sources promote better health and longevity.” Huang J, Liao LM, Weinstein SJ, Sinha R, Graubard BI, Albanes D. Association between plant and animal protein intake and overall and cause-specific mortality. JAMA Inter Med. Published online July 13, 2020. “Consuming red and processed meat increases the risk for chronic kidney disease, according to a study published in the Journal of Renal Nutrition. Researchers followed diet records for participants from the Tehran Lipid and Glucose Study and tracked protein sources and chronic kidney disease incidence rates. Results showed that those who consumed the most red and processed meat increased their risk for disease by 73% and 99%, respectively, when compared to those who ate the least. Substituting one serving of red or processed meat with a serving of a different protein source such as legumes or grains lowered the risk for disease by up to 30%. Possible protective mechanisms associated with replacing meat with plants include the lower dietary acid load, lower intake of advanced glycation end products, and increased intake of nutrients associated with improved kidney function.” Mirmiran P, Yuzbashian E, Aghayan M, Mahdavi M, Asghari G, Azizi F. A prospective study of dietary meat intake and risk of incident chronic kidney disease. J Ren Nutr. 2020;30:111-118.

@@FoolyCooly99 "BMI is bull. Show me a body composition study if you want any weight to your argument there. Being slim doesn't equate to better health, way to body shame." I didn't body shame anyone and don't intend to, I am just reporting empirical facts. Older research that created the idea of "healthy overweight" made the mistake of lumping together people who had become slim due to the diseases they had with people who were normal BMI without disease. However, more recent research that corrects for that error finds that the healthiest BMI is 21-22, and disease and mortality climb steadily above that. I can send the link later if you want it, but I have it on one of my other computers. "Where's a link to his little amino acid calculator that shows the vegan diet works and DIAAS is useless?" Mic laid out the argument pretty clearly: The DIAAS assigns an overall score based on the amino acid for which the food meets the least of the RDA, which totally leaves out the greater satisfaction of other amino acids by that food. Imagine if we similarly reported the micronutrient benefits of foods by simply reporting the vitamin of mineral for which the food provides the least. Almost every food would be rated as a zero if we used that logic, even if it is terrific for providing some micronutrients. Furthermore, as Mic pointed out, people who eat plant foods generally eat a variety of foods, and once you put together common combinations of those foods, the DIAAS score for the combination soars and reaches the "quality protein" range. Mic showed a chart in the video that clearly demonstrated that. "His mechanism don't account for carbs, sugars, or vegetable oils." It appears we agree that added sugars and oils are unhealthy. Good. As for carbs, there is enormous confusion about this because a) westerners mostly eat highly processed carb foods that contains junk (oils, added sugars, chemicals), b) most research is mostly on the effects of processed carbs or does a poor job of distinguishing between refined carbs, whole but milled carbs, and truly whole food carbs (intact grains), c) commentators and doctors and researchers routinely conflate the different types of carbs, so low-carb gurus virtually always report results of studies that were on processed/refined carbs then turn around and claim all carbs are bad. In reality, the best evidence clearly indicates that whole food carbs are very healthy, and even healthier if you eat the intact forms (e.g., intact grains). "Also the animal protein diet has the benefit of history behind it. Humans have consumed animals since they were created and have survived this long." There are multiple problems with appealing to the fact we have historically eaten meat, eggs, etc. First, our bodies have changed, and so have the foods. One of the serious problems for animal foods in this regard is that humans have dumped into the environment tens of thousands of toxic chemicals, and these naturally accumulate at high levels in the fat of animals. That reduces the healthfulness of meat compared to pre-industrial times. Second, just because we can live long enough to reproduce and raise our young while eating lots of meat doesn't prove it is the healthiest diet for us. Third, we now have good research proving that eating less meat and more whole plant foods is healthier. That DOESN'T prove a vegan diet is healthiest for you or me or this or that group. But the trend is that better health outcomes come from very low animal food consumption compared to what westerners consider "normal."

@@FoolyCooly99 "Phytoestrogen acts just like regular estrogen except not as potent." Absolutely false. Phytoestrogens BLOCK the estrogen receptors and reduce estrogen levels in men and women alike. Experimental studies prove that. "Then you'll know how soy boys happen." Soy boys is largely a myth: Unless you consume truly massive amounts, soy doesn't change testosterone levels at all, and again, it REDUCES estrogen levels. "As well as there are studies that too much soy can increase breast cancer risk." The research generally and consistently shows that consuming soy LOWERS breast cancer rates and lowers them significantly. The only risks seem to appear in studies where unreasonable/ outlier amounts of soy were consumed.

What a hater 🤡🤡🤡

I’m pretty sure he’s just another anti-vegan pushing his personal views on others. Very sad people actually look to that channel for nutritional advice.

@@ianmarshall9958 the thing is that it’s incredibly effective. I bought into all of his BS. I also feel his channel is a soft gateway into right wing politics too. It’s weird, but would take me a while to explain lmao

@@JoeARedHawk275 Ahhhh yes... Because he debunks veganism propagation he must right wing 😂 please explain how?

@@HovisOats what debunk? Mic showed WIL is twisting the data and using meat/dairy industry-funded studies.

had to google paneer. Never heard of it.

@@donwinston I used to eat it before I went pure plant based. The taste and texture is very similar to firm tofu.

Interesting! I knew about the fact that ghee, or clarified butter was popular, but I didn't know about the popularity of paneer cheese.

Well, caseomorphine is addictive. Cheese has been my hardest thing to end. I crave it still. I want Vegan versions to include protein and nutrients, as well as be able to melt and brown properly, minus the addictive bits, and the early death.

@Aaron Loos You won't be able to post links here on KZfaq comments, but can you give us enough info so we could Google those studies, to judge their credibility? KZfaq has a fairly new policy of automatically deleting new comments with links.

I also have spent (and still do) spend a lot of time here in the comments section of YT and some on Reddit debating meat eaters and debunking their claims. I recognize from the start that they will probably not admit that I debunked them, but knowing that others who are more objective might be swayed by my half of the debate. I can think of only twice when a meat eater admitted that "I won" the debate, but one of them said that they would continue as before regardless of the facts. I have used Mic's videos many times. I sometimes link to them, and find the links in the show notes to be really helpful. Especially now that KZfaq has initiated a policy of automatically deleting new comments that include links. The only exception is to a link to a full YT video. Links to a specific part of a video also get deleted.

and did you ever think that you were exhausted because of your fad diet??????? MEAT ARE GOODZ 4 U!!!! MUCH PROTAINNNNNNNNZZZZ edit: I also debate, your comment is beautiful, I actually screenshotted it to send to my keto "fructose poisons you" cousin

I just got done debunking an anti vegan again for old times sake . It's been a while. It always ends in them claiming it's a massive conspiracy .

@MorTobXD Yep , flat earthers , creationists , and carnists are all equally unreasonable .

@@FreshGreenMoss They use any method available to avoid facing the facts.

@Aaron Loos But plant protein is inferior to animal protein right?

Feed them beef! HAARRRRG!

My grandpa told me there's a beef tree he saw it with his own eye's.

I know right! Humans are weird they have a digestive system of the great apes but end up cooking most foods. Aarron loos cows may have 4 stomachs but its not for the protein its to get more energy out of cellulose.

@Aaron Loos aaaaaaa are you ok in the head. Feed a monkey only meat to prove me wrong. The only way to make meat mostly safe for monkeys to consume is to cook it. Bears are omnivores you can feed them plant foods and raw meat. To me you sound like someone that has never went to science class and decided to chew and smoke Tabaco in the bathrooms. Just because you can eat dirt dose not make you a dirtvore.

complete means having all of the essential amino acids at relative concentration, essential amino acids cannot be made by the body.

So... some people do not know that beans exist or what?

@@Mare0912 I think she is being playful referring to vegans who eat seitan and mock meats almost like they don’t know soy and beans exist, at least I hope so because otherwise yes that would be almost insulting lol Veganism can be a hard sell so to encourage people what people do is they offer a sort of leniency, while in reality soy is shit(look into George Washington carver and it’s history) and beans in general are not good for humans. some may be able to get away with it while others like myself cannot at all. My Hindu friend finds that he can’t do vegan and he was born vegetarian, he says that ghee really helps the digestion and using a pressure cooker........ for someone who has a long lineage of vegetarians in his family this doesn’t sound very “natural”, I look exactly like mic the vegan and after 15 years of veganism my digestion became horrible, I stuck with it as long as I could...I tried a million things and learned so much but still couldn’t do it.

@@bstring3967 "beans in general are not good for humans"? Do explain.

A lot of beans give me problems and so does soy. seeds nuts and other forms of protein are availible

Beans and soy!!! 😂😂😂

He's said it's bad on many of his other videos

@@Quincycle why does that matter? He's discussing this video, not the other ones

Plants dont lack of those amino acids, they have different levels of them, that's why in a well diverse diet, all the aminoacids are in the levels we need.

It's literally doesn't

​@@CorolaImperialCompared to meat they're absolutely lacking. I lack the strength to lift 1000 pounds like Eddie Hall, that don't mean I don't have strength. Lack and without are entirely different my friend.

Yes I’m waiting for that one!! 😂😂

THIS. this community has gone off the rails

@@sierrahemp8682 “nooo you need liver for RETINOL vitamin a not BETA CAROTENE” 🤣🤣☹️

@@skatingsarah1996 Preformed vitamin A isn't even a vitamin by defenition of vitamin... Retinol causes oxidative stress and rises the risk for osteoporosis and ATTR, wild type amyloidosis. Carotinoids are vitamins by definition that we can't produce them ourselves.

Yes the raw dairy thing in particular!!

I FIXED IT! Thanks so much for letting me know: my.trovatrip.com/public/l/poll/micthevegan

ayo mate, where in India, I live in Delhi and there seems to be a love for potatoes, Aloo-matar, aloo tamatar, and stuff, dum aloo, there is no shortage of potatoes, Also the potato is the perfect vegetable since it comes in the proportion that should be eated, a fist. It's like nature's most optimal vegetable. Potatoes and Pea with Wheat Roti, perfectly complete food, and cheap, very cheap

Potatoes are one of the healthiest foods on the planet! Look at Spud fit on youtube, he was fat and sick, after eating only potatoes for a year, he gets slim and healthy.

@@rob6144 yes, I've seen his videos, Australian person I think. Others too, subsisting on only or mainly potatoes.

Quick question, but the reason people in India don't eat potatoes is religious reasons? I recall some have religious reasons to not eat onion and garlic as well

Yeah I'm sad that Ayur Veda thinks they are tamasic or whatever.

Nothing gets past you

Muscles, bones and brains evolve by using them.

@@soilikasanen no. Lol

@@jasminejohnson8051 Why do you think ppl go to gym then? To grow muscle. Weight bearing strenghtens bones. Brains loose their capacity if they are not put to work. Better move and think!

@@soilikasanen my apologies, upon re reading I see now that I misunderstood your previous statement. I thought you were trying to say our muscles bones and brained evolved by using them(as in eating animal products). I apologize, and agree with what you said. Have a nice day

@@jasminejohnson8051 No worries 😊💚

All the best on your journey to get to full vegan! You will see, you will love ! 👏👏👏👏👏

Hi Gavin! Awesome coment that intrigued my curiosity. What attracted you to veganism? What do you like to eat, can your favorite meals be converted to plant based vegan meals? How do you feel or compare your previous much more nonvegan lifestyle to your current closer to vegan lifestyle? Looking into the future: Will your 96 year old self, thank you for going plant based? Thank you for sharing! 😃 JoseTheVegan on KZfaq

You will fall apart on a vegan diet

@@jingtroc23 u wrong

Awesome work! kzfaq.info is another great resource for scientific research on plant based diets and the harmful effects of animals products!

i got so confused now .. like extremely confused. how did you manage your diet after watching both videos ?!! Your answer is going to make difference so help with it if you please

yes this is a major problem and a very difficult one too. I am trying to go vegan but I'm not actively looking for information to support my lifestyle. I want unbiased facts, which is hard to get when watching a video where someone obviously has a side. and it'll take alot longer to do all this research yourself

@@hammy9800 It definitely is longer. I looked at the sources from the original video and if you want to be accurate and informative, it would take hours just to read it let alone compile it into a video. I suspect most KZfaqrs who research things and compile them often skim or miss things because it's extremely difficult not to. The source about increasing the average protein intake from .8 to 1.2/3 was a study on OLD WOMEN. I'm not an old woman or even and old man yet but it's just so easy to misinform. Everyone needs to learn to think for themselves or we will just lap up information that we like to hear from smiling charismatic pseudo celebrities.

@@hammy9800 Very difficult to get unbiased facts, everyone has an agenda unfortunately, including this video.

So if I’m a vegetarian, what the fuck Do I do, I just CANNOT build muslcd?

@@dosomestuff1949 Sorry, can't help you, since your question is not related to my comment.

"Literally it's stated everywhere that animal protein is better absorbed, better accepted etc.. it is superior. You only have to look it up, there's thousands and thousands of sites that site this fact." And speaking as a researcher who studies how people get fooled about healthy nutrition, those sites are misleading you/wrong. Research clearly shows that when you follow people for long periods of time, replacing animal protein for plant protein yields markedly better health outcomes--after controlling for other variables. This is well documented, whereas higher consumption of animal fat and protein ramps up virtually every known non-genetic disease. So how did researchers and pundits get it so wrong? In a nutshell, they made many of the same mistakes WILs' video did. First, you can't just judge the quality or healthfulness of this or that protein based on the bioavailability of EAAs. Animal foods on average have more harmful health effects and fewer beneficial health effects than do whole plant foods. Compared to eating whole plant foods instead, meat in particular ramps up rates of many different diseases. Second, judging the value of "eating plant proteins" cannot be done while just judging the global DIAAS score for an individual foods. One problem is that the way the DIAAS treats nitrogen means it underestimates the EAA value of plant foods and overestimates the EAA value of animal foods. Another problem is that people who eat plant based usually eats LOTS of different protein-containing foods, and the EAA strengths of one food counterbalance the EAA weakness of another plant food, rendering the already-strange DIAAS global score moot and useless/deeply misleading. I'm just eating lunch now and so far my vegan diet has included at least 15 different foods that contain protein. For every amino acid, there are multiple plant foods with DIAAS scores over 100, and for all but one amino acid there is at least one plant food with a DIAAS score over 110, so when you eat a variety of plant foods, it is quite easy to meet all your amino acid needs. If you just eat potato chips, candy, and beer, THEN you'd have a problem. Third, research clearly shows that it is the AMOUNT of protein you eat--not whether it came from plants or animals--that determines its effects for building muscle. Interestingly, those who don't eat meat have been found to have better endurance, FAR less toxic chemicals in their bodies, and to have arteries that dilate four times as well as those of meat eaters. One should focus on WHOLE plant foods to be truly healthy, but the case against eating lots of meat just keeps getting stronger and stronger. Take care.

That's because plant protein is super difficult to absorb and digest. There are lots of anti-nutrients too.

@@redhot654 Did you watch the video?

@@efthimios1917 yes. This guy twists and cherry picks. Don't base such important life decisions like your diet on this guy.

@@redhot654 Prove he cherry picks.

@@efthimios1917 They can't prove this....just like trumpers...no facts, just talking points!

there is a dash at the end of the hyperlink "-" just erase it and it works :)

FIXED! my.trovatrip.com/public/l/poll/micthevegan

No. IGF-1 is good for living a long healthy life... ALL the studies he showed you were feeding IGF-1 to CANCER CELLS... as in, late stage cancers that already exist in your body.... He didn't mention that because he's trying to bias you... muscle mass will keep you alive longer, and help you enjoy that life (not being bedridden).. So don't fear Lucine - stay strong!

UGH I wish I saw this earlier. HERE IS THE FIXED VERSION! my.trovatrip.com/public/l/poll/micthevegan

He has done responses in the past but just written ones on his Patreon.

I've done more reading on DIASS scoring, and I was wrong. Mic is right. DIASS scoring is animal-protein biased, and appears to deliberately downplay the value of plant-based proteins. Unfortunately, the meat and dairy industries have a lot of clout and have been successful in distorting the true picture. I say that as a meat and dairy consumer. Mic is increasingly good at making me question my dietary choices.

​@@paulmaxwell8851 ah yes, Because one thing is significantly more than another it must mean bias. I guess they have an anti-rice bias too because rice is downplayed in dciass scoring.

They completely lack bioavailability. Just blend your money and pour it into the toilet for the same effect.

@dyldabeast9176 - Brainwash by science??? In dietetics we learn that meat has 70% of its protein absorbed, legumes, 60% and the rest, 50%. You can say all you want that being vegan is more ethical, it is good for the planet, it is morally right, but claiming it is healthier, it is a bit of a stretch.. I am a dietician, it is not... it is a diet that I highly admire whoever follows it, because when you cut an important food group of food out, you remove a lot of important nutrients with it. We do not absorb plant nutrients as well as animal sources. You have to eat triple to hit the same target. I wish vegans would understand this. The vegan diet has one and only purpose, protect animal lives from suffering and pain. That alone is just enough. There is no need to mask everything with the "healthy" label, because it is not. A healthy diet comprises all food sources animal and plants, combined they are just perfect.

Were you able to get the whole shaft in?

Good for you!

So sad to hear about it 😉😉😉

😄 In animal experiments intelligence is defined as the capability to learn from one"s mistakes. Even flies and common worms are able to do that! 🤓

He strangely seems to only learn from studies bought for by the meat industry, don't know why that is.

Should just be called "What I've learned from the corporate PR departments that fund me"

Except most plants are lacking in one amino acid, so simply using another plant to make up for it is all you need

IKR... It's a shame anyone can spread BS info and so many people who don't know any better just follow blindly. I was one of those people a few years ago

@@Magani79 To be fair, he is guilty of doing the same thing. An example is when he was referencing "low carb diets" and used studies of diets that were 30-40% carbs and calling them low carb.

@@myrhev we'll, to be fair, several dietitian associations recommend a diet consisting of about 50-60 E% carbs, so from that perspective diets below 40 E% carbs can definitley be considered to be low carb diets. I'm willing to bet that most nutrition professionals and nutritional scientists would consider it to be low carb when it's below 45 E%. What would you call the span of 30-40E% carbs? And what definition of low carb diet do you consider to be right?

"misinformation" I see this is the new buzzword for the "I fucking love science!" drones.

@@Manskeeeee care to refute the video? Oh, no? Thats what I thought

The acidity of meat, combined with the calcium craze of dairy... kidneys overburdened and stoned?

@@hej2800 Acidity? Plant protein contains amino *acids* too.

@@Gaia_Seraphina Animal products tend to have condensed fatty acids

@@Gaia_Seraphina They’re talking about pH differences. Obviously plant foods have amino acids too..

@@BingBongWasheeWashee They have to. Those are the components of proteins after all. But alcaline/acidic nutrition is scientific nonsense. The blood pH is 7.4. Slightly alcalic. The acid-base balance is regulated by breathing ( CO2 ), the kidneys and the bones ( minerals ). Not food. If the blood pH goes under 7,35 then the patient suffers from either respiratoric acidosis caused by a bad lung function or metabolic acidosis due to diabetes. This is life threatening and requires hospitalization, not dieting.

I had the opposite experience. After several years on a whole foods, home cooked vegan diet my previously benign MS became very aggressive (and I experienced numerous other health problems too). When I went back to eating animal foods, my health improved dramatically and I now have had no relapses for more than 10 years.

@@eulalia3446 it just goes to show we dont know much about the disease and if a diet works for you stick with it but dont preach to others the qmway you eat is the solution. autoimmine disease is complicated and the gut is complicated, where big portion of our immune sytem is at. even gut microbe experts dont evrrything about gut bacteria and they tell you otherwise they lieing. the one thing i hate about these diet studies is that people take them as fact. in science its hard to prove anything and that ia why academics usr words like association and etc. think math. x and y. x increasing doesnt mean y has to increase. and etc

Vitamin B-12 deficiency mimics MS symptoms. B-12 is only (naturally) available in animal sources, and long-term lack is fatal.

@@kellyschlumberger1030 true. but takes long time to deplete b12. this is what my doctor told me when i asked for my b12 levels checked. but i could be wrong. and your right b12 deficiencies do act like ms and i heard it puts you at risk of developing into ms as well if sucetiable

Check out Dr. Brooke Goldner. She had lupus and has basically cured an incurable disease in herself. I have lupus and RA so I’m trying to change my eating to mostly vegan and do her green smoothies. I don’t know a lot about MS so I’m not sure how much it could help but I know it will help some. I can tell when I eat processed foods and when I eat healthy foods. I’m just trying to find ways to eat healthy and make it easy and convenient. When I don’t feel good I’m bad to just grab something to shut my stomach up. And that usually doesn’t end up being anything good for me. I also don’t enjoy cooking. I can cook I just don’t like to. So I relied on convenience foods a lot. Now I’m trying to find ways to make the healthy foods convenient. I wish you all the best with your health!!!

No, he literally showed that a) protein intake is not a concern for Americans, and in fact, we eat too much animal protein, b) the DIAAS global protein score IS totally misleading, c) a lot of research shows that plant protein is healthier overall, as are diets dominated by whole plant foods. Speaking as someone who teaches and researches nutrition, this is well-established in the field.

@@karlwheatley1244 ​ I was not so intrested by researches pertaining US as I am not from US, but 17:39 example disturbed me. Author no doubt doesnt seem to see difference between HDL nad LDL cholesterol, where vegan an vegetarian children had biggest difference, not mentioned about B12 defficiency, vitamine D defficiency. Also no word that researchers stated : "The vegetarians’ nutrient intake suggests a more processed type of PBD, which might explain their worse CVD risk profile". Is that responsible approach?

@@Veriv213 "Author no doubt doesnt seem to see difference between HDL nad LDL cholesterol, " I don't see what you are talking about: The chart shown on the screen clearly creates one tier that includes too high on LDL AND too low on HDL (although HDL under 45 actually isn't necessarily a problem if you have healthy LDL of 35-70). "not mentioned about B12 defficiency, vitamine D defficiency. " Mic has made other videos clearly addressing the nutrients that vegans and vegetarians need to be sure to get (including B12 and D). However, the focus here is de-bunking the SPECIFIC claims WIL noted, so this whole segment focuses on de-bunking the idea that plant-based diets are unnaturally "stunting" children. "Also no word that researchers stated : "The vegetarians’ nutrient intake suggests a more processed type of PBD, which might explain their worse CVD risk profile". Is that responsible approach?" You CAN create heart disease either by eating lots of saturated animal fat and cholesterol OR by eating lots of highly-processed carbs and added sugars. Again, in this segment, Mic's focus is just on debunking the stunting claim, so there's no reason to expect him to wander off and discuss other aspects of a study that WIL brought up. The vegans had better LDL numbers, which is the main causal risk factor for heart disease. More generally, the diets that have achieved the very best results for preventing, stopping, and reversing heart disease are very low fat plant-based and vegan diets. So again, I don't see reasonable grounds for complaining about what Mic did here, nor for claiming he did just what WIL did. He didn't. Take care.

@@karlwheatley1244Sorry I missed our answer. I dont see chart related to lower HDL and is is some kind of news to me that too low HDL is good in growth phase under some circumstances. Can you provide source? Also is good that you mentioned that there is a possibility of increasing CVD risk related to non-balanced diet, not to strictly eating meat. Researchers did not provide any comment stating that actually eating meet is related to risk increase. Cultural context also should not be missed as in Poland all kids attempting to kindergarten and almost all in elementary school are covered by public catering. At least 2 meals a day provided by school. Meat is not considered as allegren. It means if you want your kid to follow vegan/vegetarian diet, you have put lot of effort to provide it on your own. It brings us to another issue, as have been compared random groups of omnivoron kids and kids following probably more expensive(better quality) diet. Despite it those kids were shorter and had lower BMI. So yes, it is reasonable to compain what he did here. Neophic zeal.

@@Veriv213 "and is is some kind of news to me that too low HDL is good in growth phase under some circumstances." It is not "too low" HDL, it is simply lower HDL, and it is perfectly healthy if you have a healthy (lower) LDL level because if you have less LDL< you don't need as much HDL to clear the excess LDL away. So, in America, if you doctor if caught up on the research, and they see your LDL is 65, they are not going to think it is a problem that your HDL is in the 40s. The whole Polish study is ridiculous because 1) kids who are taller at one point in childhood may wind up shorter later, as Mic pointed out from the research, 2) being taller earlier has been linked to more health problems later, 3) there is no reason to think that being an inch of two taller is healthier or better than being an inch or two shorter. Shorter people live longer. We have lots of research that shows that after adjusting for other variables, plant protein is healthier overall, and that people should eat less meat and more whole plant foods. Take care.

@KZfaq Account Well, WIL DOES get the science wrong on plant vs. animal protein AND on the ecological impacts of beef.

@KZfaq Account Plant protein is bioavailable enough that anyone eating ample amounts of a variety of different plant foods will be covered. For every EAA, there are multiple plant foods with DIAAS scores of 100 or higher, and for all but one, there is at least one plant food with a score over 110. Furthermore, getting protein from plants is healthier in other ways. Take care.

​@KZfaq Account Two thoughts. First, it's a little more complicated than your first line: Some plant proteins DO have excellent bioavailability, including soy, mycoprotein, and potatoes. However, the QUANTITY of protein most people get from soy will be higher than the other two. Second, yes, this shouldn't be a problem if you are getting enough protein from a variety of plant foods. And everyone eating plant-based eats a variety of plant-protein-containing foods (I get 20 g of protein every day just from the kale I eat). Also, different plant foods actually have excellent scores for one or more essential amino acids, so once you combine them together, it covers the bases well (lysine is the hardest base to cover, and some people eating plant-based could fall short on lysine if they aren't getting enough legumes, potatoes, soy, etc.) But before I even get to lunch, I will have eaten maybe 15 different protein-containing foods across the morning (including a 7-grain cereal), and will be somewhere in this ballpark: 2 cups soy milk: 14 g protein 2 thick slices homemade bread: ~16 g Spicy bean dip on the bread: 5 g protein 3 cups kale: 6.6 g protein Big bowl of heritage flakes: 8 g protein Bowl steel cut oats: 7.5 g protein Banana: 1.3 g protein OK, so I’m not yet to my spicy rice & beans lunch, and I’m around 58.4 g of protein already, and have gotten in good carb-loading to give me energy for the day. I’ll end the day at around 100 g of protein, which is more than 1 g/kg of bodyweight. (and I'm clearly not starving!) Take care.

If it makes you feel any better, I also had a phase of eating a lot of meat due to a WIL video, and also felt like an idiot at the end of it when Plant Chompers showed me the error of my ways. Am vegan now and, so far, not suffering from kwashiorkor.

"Wow, I can't believe a KZfaqr would influence my diet decisions. Thank you for teaching me to change my diet decisions mr. KZfaqr!"

Try carnivorous diet, than decide. Don't listen to scammers, especially vegans.

you should definitely make the change lol you can “debunk” anything with enough cherry picking research..carnivore diet + fruit all the way

I'm considering wading into this mess after watching a few videos. My conclusion is simply being omnivorous is the obvious choice, with a predominant selection of plant based foods. Eggs, for example, have such a high biological value and extremely nutritious, that if you can find a supplier and deal with humane concerns, there's literally no reason to not eat them. Super efficient, free (the chickens will lay them anyways), easily digestible, immensely versatile. Too useful and healthy not to use. The only reason not to is harm to the chickens, but if you control for that, then eating them everyday is a massive boost to high quality protein intake.

or MIke should 😂

You go girl! Tell it like is.

Have you ever tried what he said to prove your own point.

He failed to cherry-pick the high salt, msg, heavy metal, GMO, sunflower oil and preservative problem with meatless products. Eat real whole vegetables.. I love eating peas... the WHOLE food. A half cup of cooked split peas has 8g of protein and 115 calories. Without consuming high sugar foods and processed carbs I need to eat 11cups of cooked split peas to hit my 2500calories 88g protein daily target. Anyone ever grown peas? How much unfertilised (because the agenda says no fertiliser) land and how much water would you require to feed yourself for one day? For 1 year? What about a cow eating grass? The bonus of the cow is it fertilisers the ground and urinates out the water. Humans have known this since they settled and farmed the land. Prior to that we were HUNTER gatherers. The paleo diet... we have not changed much. We certainly have not evolved since the creation of the supermarket. Prior to the supermarket the majority of foods we eat now did not exist. The way I see it 95% of supermarket food is unnatural poison and the reason behind most human ailments and disease. There is NO human process that is more efficient than nature. At best we manage about 22% and the lost 78% is lost mainly as heat (global warming 😅)... is your diet really energy efficient and carbon neutral... even if you are vegetarian or vegan and walk everywhere? Did you grow or pick your own food from your local environment? If not, don't be a hypocrite. It was mechanically farmed and transported all the time kept at specific temperatures. Air conditioned, heated, cooled, well lit supermarket... now with automated doors, gates and surveillance. We could once gather our food for free. Now you get arrested. Walking to your local supermarket and picking from a shelf does not count as picking from your local environment. Artificially produced food is a joke. Remember, in a natural carbon net zero environment, pea protein is seasonal... so where are you going to get your protein out of season? Imagine if everyone was vegan... where are we going to grow all those peas if say every living person requires say an entire field? Who starves? When food is scarce many species resort to cannibalism. Soy protein is known to lower testosterone which plays a significant role in aggression. Animal protein is converted to muscle mass far more effectively. The question then becomes... Who is getting eaten?

Yeah that channel is trash