Prototype Gustloff 206 Rifle

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Forgotten Weapons

Forgotten Weapons

8 жыл бұрын

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German arms development during World War II was quite the chaotic mess, in many ways. While it is not uncommon for different service branches to have independent procurement systems, in fascist-era Germany this was coupled with the close collaboration between industry and the Party structure. This led to competing and conflicting policies between military and political offices.
Semiautomatic rifle development was no exception. While the Walther and Mauser companies won the competitions to develop the Gewehr 41, the Gustloff concern had also produced a number of designs and these were continued after the trials by political decree. The best of these designs (apparently, from the sparse information available) was the model 206.
The Gustloff 206 is a largely sheet metal rifle with a gas piston operating system and an unusual vertically traveling locking block, akin to the Type 94 Nambu and Bergmann 1910 (as well as the much more recent Arsenal Strike One). The rifle is semiautomatic only (although it sounds like some select-fire models were also made) and feeds from MG-13 box magazines - cut down from 25 rounds to 10 rounds capacity on this example.
Therifle may be related to the Gustloff submission for the Luftwaffe’s FG-42 project, but may not be. All I have been able to find on that rifle is that Gustloff did submit one and it did not progress into any trials, most likely because it failed to meet the design criteria set out by the Luftwaffe. The model 206 would fit that description.

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@Jibriltz
@Jibriltz 4 жыл бұрын
Sold for $63,250.... Someone reeaally wanted that rifle.
@sollitdude1
@sollitdude1 3 жыл бұрын
cant blame him. i mean, this looks like a proper wolfenstein rifle. makes me wish the german army did adopt it, just so it had a cool weapon to add to the bunch.
@malithion5046
@malithion5046 3 жыл бұрын
@@sollitdude1 came here to say pretty much that; it's extremely dieselpunk in its aesthetics.
@raharuko
@raharuko 2 жыл бұрын
jesus rich fuckin neonazis lol
@Gameprojordan
@Gameprojordan 2 жыл бұрын
@raharuko low IQ comment from someone who doesn't understand that military relics from once powerful militaries are very sought after collectibles. Cry all you want but germany in ww2 was an extremely powerful foe and because of it that makes anything from them extremely sought after on the collectors market
@chlorhexidine2506
@chlorhexidine2506 2 жыл бұрын
@@sollitdude1 I bet this dude's like 14
@opmdevil
@opmdevil 8 жыл бұрын
Is it a standard operating procedure to say "dud dud di du di duu" when releasing the magazine?
@ForgottenWeapons
@ForgottenWeapons 8 жыл бұрын
Yes, I had to translate that from the German manual.
@NoharaLoco
@NoharaLoco 8 жыл бұрын
I laughed more than I probably should have at that. :)
@lapislazuli2896
@lapislazuli2896 8 жыл бұрын
If a German Police Officer reloads (what doesn't happen so often) he's "dud di du"ing too. :D
@Hesric
@Hesric 8 жыл бұрын
Just a small ritual to calm the machine spirit of the rifle.
@feraligatorade99
@feraligatorade99 8 жыл бұрын
+NoharaLoco same
@rochatka
@rochatka 7 жыл бұрын
this is a perfect demo of why certain weapons don't get adopted by their militaries, just going off the basic disassembly it would be near impossible to fix and or service this in the field.
@therugburnz
@therugburnz 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I do try to understand how much infighting that if it did not happen would have made the horrible war last even longer. How many lives would have been different.
@DawsonWebster
@DawsonWebster 2 ай бұрын
Alot of the ergonomics look ak in nature
@unknown0soldier
@unknown0soldier 2 ай бұрын
I'm seven years late lol xD But you do realize this is just a prototype? had this been adopted, it would have been simplified to ease disassembly. That's something totally normal for a prototype
@lennarthoek8392
@lennarthoek8392 8 жыл бұрын
"puhhh" -ian 2016 lol
@dizzydisset8563
@dizzydisset8563 5 жыл бұрын
Lennart Hoek The most french pronounced word on the channel ;)
@dizzydisset8563
@dizzydisset8563 5 жыл бұрын
The most french pronounced word on the channel ;)
@johnaffleck6572
@johnaffleck6572 8 жыл бұрын
Completely fascinating; and the piece itself; completely crazy. The egg-shell "stock" is jaw dropping mad. What an amazing channel; there's always another design effort you never would have thought of.
@beargillium2369
@beargillium2369 Жыл бұрын
Agree! I wonder what kind of wood it is?! Really shows how prescious supplies were that we often take for granted
@KriegBoy
@KriegBoy 7 жыл бұрын
The trigger, in my oppinion, really show how progressive the trial and error process was on the fabrication of the gun. Amazing.
@flynn88MN
@flynn88MN 7 жыл бұрын
so in theory you could put a standard mg-18 magazine on that thing, making it the highest capacity semi-auto rifle of its time.
@polygondwanaland8390
@polygondwanaland8390 3 жыл бұрын
Could you put the 75 round AA drum for the MG13 on it? 🤔
@builder396
@builder396 Ай бұрын
@@polygondwanaland8390 Had to google it, but it has the same locking mechanism, so apart from being heavy nothing really prevents it.
@Ostenjager
@Ostenjager 8 жыл бұрын
I wonder if the reason for the hollow sheet metal stock wonkiness has something to do with trying to meet some requirement for the Fallschirmjäger - maybe weight and the ability to take it apart "easily" for stowage.
@TenebrusI07
@TenebrusI07 Жыл бұрын
This is straight out of valkyria chronicles
@vito7428
@vito7428 Жыл бұрын
I know right,I was just about to comment that. It looks like one of the upgraded versions of the Lenfield
@chrome4ks
@chrome4ks 8 жыл бұрын
Ian, you have my respect, in that your extensive study and research gives you the intuitive sense of how complicated these firearms function. I know how meticulous German manufacturing was, and it makes me thankful in part to the same approval process that what could be considered "crude" in terms of presentation, still gave the allies a superior advantage in the ability to field effective weapons in greater numbers.
@foldedsteel8633
@foldedsteel8633 6 жыл бұрын
This gun looks like a gun that should've seen actual use. It looks better than the G43 and likely also functions better. I wish I could get my hands on one as easily, that's for sure.
@jidk6565
@jidk6565 2 жыл бұрын
Question How the fuck do you measure the greatness of a rifle I'd say this would be unfun (to say the least) to disassemble
@christopherdrekr1078
@christopherdrekr1078 2 жыл бұрын
😮
@AdoringFan
@AdoringFan 8 жыл бұрын
Have you ever broken or damaged anything you looked at Ian?
@RaDeus87
@RaDeus87 8 жыл бұрын
I think he fixed something accidentally in one of his videos once :P
@Reavenant
@Reavenant 8 жыл бұрын
If I'm correct it was a pistol firing mechanism . Can't remember the video name :/
@laci816
@laci816 8 жыл бұрын
+Jesper O (RaDeus) If anyone could link it I would be so very grateful.
@WBtimhawk
@WBtimhawk 8 жыл бұрын
That was one from the Cody museum I believe. Either a US carbine or SMG prototype. Can't remember exactly. A recent video anyway. It's at the very end of that video.
@salmjak
@salmjak 8 жыл бұрын
How did he fix it? Did I miss something because it stills jams in the end, doesn't it?
@ahobimo732
@ahobimo732 8 жыл бұрын
Ian, I am always impressed at how you casually use the proper technical term for nearly every last component of the firearms you showcase. I can never use technical terminology fluently, even when I know the technology and the terms very well. If I was as awkward and clumsy with my tools as I am with their names, I would have broken my neck years ago. You on the other hand, are like the poet laureate of the history of weapons manufacturing. It's a great talent and makes your videos highly watchable.
@Trve_Kvlt
@Trve_Kvlt 8 жыл бұрын
Great video as always Ian. That's a beautiful rifle right there.
@ItsMrAssholeToYou
@ItsMrAssholeToYou 2 жыл бұрын
*IMPORTANT CORRECTION TO IAN'S DESCRIPTION OF THE FIREARM:* 16:33 The "tails" on the back of the bolt aren't to stabilize the rear of the bolt (the tracks the bolt runs in would do that), but rather are swing-away lugs that engage the op-rod so it can push the bolt forward. When the bolt has reached battery position, the op-rod needs to continue traveling to push the locking bracket down to engage the bolt. To do this, the op-rod must be disengaged from the bolt; hence, lugs that swing out of the way.
@beargillium2369
@beargillium2369 Жыл бұрын
Yeah it looks like roller locks almost... Not sure why you say "IMPORTANT CORRECTION" when he literally explained that they're part of the locking system.
@ItsMrAssholeToYou
@ItsMrAssholeToYou Жыл бұрын
@@beargillium2369 Re-read my comment. They're not part of the locking system, nor are they rollers. They''re disconnecting links between the bolt and op-rod that have ZERO involvement with the actual lock-up. The locking block does 100% of the locking. Notice the lack of constraint on the ends of the op-rod. How is it going to keep the tails in the pockets against the force of firing a bullet? The inclined plane the tails move along to engage and disengage the op-rod would give them a considerable mechanical advantage. The op-rod would need significant support to resist that, yet no such support is present. That's because it isn't needed, because the tails don't do any of the locking. They exist only to allow the op-rod to push the bolt forward.
@beargillium2369
@beargillium2369 Жыл бұрын
@@ItsMrAssholeToYou because the rod is forward.. agree to disagree I guess. My comment about rollers is that is reminds me of them, as does the vertical locking part, I don't expect you to understand why it reminded me of that, but I don't need to hear arguments about how it's not that.
@ItsMrAssholeToYou
@ItsMrAssholeToYou Жыл бұрын
@@beargillium2369 I'm not sure how wobbly, unsupported metal rods of modest dimension are supposed to resist hundreds or perhaps thousands of pounds of force just because they're "forward". But as you say, agree to disagree.
@beargillium2369
@beargillium2369 Жыл бұрын
@@ItsMrAssholeToYou calm down. Obviously they're not the primary locking mechanism. Probably more like an out of battery safety. The sliding block combined with the little flappy things in the same action REMINDS ME OF roller locks.
@DaxMarko
@DaxMarko 4 жыл бұрын
I imagine this would been an another iconic WW2 rifle if it made it into mass production and distribution
@WAQWBrentwood
@WAQWBrentwood 8 жыл бұрын
"Wow, It's really weird inside.” A most apt description of Nazi era Germany itself! Thanks!
@knives9284
@knives9284 3 жыл бұрын
NS Germany was Valhalla on Earth, a grand transformation form the ashes of WW1 into a prosperous nation full of dignity, spirit and traditionalism. Aye, it would be weird when the only thing a person know's is a degenerate hedonist lifestyle.
@thehighwayman8776
@thehighwayman8776 3 жыл бұрын
@@knives9284 uhm... Are you for real, bud? "Valhalla on earth"? Like, thats even nuttier than the shit the Wendler spouts. Way to go...
@saltymcginger2027
@saltymcginger2027 3 жыл бұрын
@@knives9284 Ladies and Gentlemen, we got him.
@Aldebaran1945
@Aldebaran1945 Ай бұрын
12 years free
@leathery420
@leathery420 7 жыл бұрын
The bolt hold open reminds me of the SKS. It's just a little tab that's pushed up by the mag body. You can also push it up yourself with the mag out because it's not spring loaded, just gravity or the mag body holding it one way or the other.
@thedude1671
@thedude1671 8 жыл бұрын
Ian, do you typically have info on how to disassemble weapons like this, or do you just figure it out after messing around with them after a while?
@ForgottenWeapons
@ForgottenWeapons 8 жыл бұрын
Guns like this one (which I have virtually zero documentation on) I poke and prod until I figure it out. There are only so many ways to put a gun together, and I've done enough strange ones that I can usually figure things out.
@Sir_Godz
@Sir_Godz 8 жыл бұрын
hes been stumped a couple of times but he doesnt own them so he cant whack and pry thankfully.
@panzermacher
@panzermacher 8 жыл бұрын
very cool rifle, but I can see why it was dropped, it's an absolute nightmare for field stripping, it would just take far too long to reassemble in an emergency.
@THEGHOSTBURNER
@THEGHOSTBURNER 7 жыл бұрын
He had to censor the flag because KZfaq flagged it. Look up his earlier video that addresses this controversy.
@hugebartlett1884
@hugebartlett1884 4 жыл бұрын
@Kerosin Fuchs This is a dangerous move,aimed at suppressing certain facts which are considered inappropriate by a group of people who cannot tolerate reality. This is how historical records and documentation is altered,to suit present thinking,a very insidious form of censorship and control.
@commodorjack8633
@commodorjack8633 4 жыл бұрын
@@hugebartlett1884 what terror! nobody will know about nazis because youtube doesn't want people posting nazi imagery on their site
@hugebartlett1884
@hugebartlett1884 4 жыл бұрын
@@commodorjack8633 There seems to be a universal attempt to suppress information and details about Nazi atrocities during the thirties and the war,almost as if it is certain people's interest to hide everything. This is a defamation of history,leading to a future generation knowing nothing about it. Eventually,even the war itself will be altered,probably insinuating that it was all our fault from the start.
@commodorjack8633
@commodorjack8633 4 жыл бұрын
@@hugebartlett1884 ok dumbass.
@huntertice3883
@huntertice3883 4 жыл бұрын
@@commodorjack8633 "Life is too short to get into vitriolic arguments on KZfaq about this" -Ian
@BrandonBaumvideo
@BrandonBaumvideo 7 жыл бұрын
My grandparents were directly affected by the Nazis and I think that even though the Nazis did horrific things, the flag and swastika should not be censored because it is part of history. We should not censor history thus I don't think people should be censoring the swastika. Just my opinion. If people want to be offended by parts of history, let them be offended because we should not hide or deny history just because someone feels offended. The only reason we should ever censor something is if it is advocating violence or hate towards others and this video does not advocate either of those so I think the flag should be able to be displayed on the thumbnail of this video. “Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it” -Winston Churchill Great video none the less. I really enjoy these videos
@buster7797
@buster7797 7 жыл бұрын
BrandoSpoke blame youtube
@theonewhodoesstuff548
@theonewhodoesstuff548 7 жыл бұрын
BrandoSpoke I thought Santayana said that.
@mrlucky5025
@mrlucky5025 6 жыл бұрын
The "quote", from a 1948 speech, attributed to Churchill, was a paraphrase of “Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.” (George Santayana-1905).
@nopeweeb5511
@nopeweeb5511 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you I appreciate you saying what needed to be stated
@julemandenudengaver4580
@julemandenudengaver4580 5 жыл бұрын
here in Denmark the Jewish community got one of the biggest retail platform to ban Nazi things by telling how arfull they had and everyone who collect German ww2 is nazis..
@LibertyTreeStudios
@LibertyTreeStudios 8 жыл бұрын
Crude and rough looking but I really like the design of it, great video!
@DoRC
@DoRC 8 жыл бұрын
another great video! It seems like this mechanism is the product of a reactive design process. Just keep adding things to fix each issue as they come up. awful lot if parts.
@marine6680
@marine6680 8 жыл бұрын
The Sig 320 pistol uses a similar disconnect system. In that the trigger bar slips from the sear during the trigger pull. it does not have the extra disconnecter piece, as the amount of movement between the release of the striker and the disconnect of the trigger bar from the sear, is very small.
@matthewking2274
@matthewking2274 5 жыл бұрын
I know it's late on my post dont know if you're going to see this but anyway I'm not a expert just someone who really enjoys your videos. It looks like the hole in the back of the receiver is a cleaning rod access point instead of being a take-down detent. If It was ment to hinge open you would have to remove the front take-down pin to remove the op-rod/metal handguard which would defeat the point of it to hinge open. Awsome content i watch all your videos best channel in my opinion.
@samsonn25
@samsonn25 6 жыл бұрын
You are an excellent historian and Firearms technician
@aeronwilliams94
@aeronwilliams94 8 жыл бұрын
Thanks Ian , for another factual and interesting video .
@SolidTrashTier
@SolidTrashTier 8 жыл бұрын
Ian, I remember in one of your videos, you were talking to Karl about your SKS that he had described as being very crudely made. If possible, I would like to see a video on it.
@drmaudio
@drmaudio 8 жыл бұрын
While unusual, depending on the gauge of the steel, the wood over stamped stock could potentially be fairly light, strong, and comfortable, at least compared with the early '40s alternatives.
@ItsMrAssholeToYou
@ItsMrAssholeToYou 2 жыл бұрын
Probably. But with the wood clamping onto the tang like that, making it the only means of attachment, I have serious doubts such thin wood would be up to the rigors of the battlefield.
@lyedavide
@lyedavide Жыл бұрын
It's a nice looking rifle with some really cool operating system in it.
@TheSnowWolf1000
@TheSnowWolf1000 3 жыл бұрын
Hey gun Jesus I love your videos I’ve been watching for years a lot of history has passed threw your hands
@Omnihil777
@Omnihil777 8 жыл бұрын
Maybe with the sheet metal inner stock they tried to save weight to get this into the specs for the Fallschirm Jäger Gewehr?
@SirBob42
@SirBob42 8 жыл бұрын
That was my thought as well, particularly with that foregrip. (How much weight would that actually save?)
@alexleake3491
@alexleake3491 3 жыл бұрын
My first thought was it was a resource saving thing as a prototype, since you dont want to be using a lot of wood for what is basically a test for the action, but it being a weight saving measure does make more sense
@cs-rj8ru
@cs-rj8ru 3 жыл бұрын
If it's for the Luftwaffe, they should have made the stock from balsa wood.....
@Daemascus
@Daemascus 8 жыл бұрын
I wonder how much of that locking block movement could be felt while firing. It doesn't move that far, but its a pretty chunky looking part.
@zachbrummett9672
@zachbrummett9672 6 жыл бұрын
Why cut the mag down ? A 30round battle rifle makes sense to me 😂
@caymanhunter2612
@caymanhunter2612 3 жыл бұрын
Howdy Zach! So to answer your question 2 years later... The reason. Is, a battle rifle is not as versatile as an assault rifle. With an assault rifle you can adapt it for CQB or medium long range, really a lot of goals can be accomplished. The battle rifle meant to be a precise rifle able to hold it's own in a fire fight and get long range picks but not necessarily a sniper, it isn't meant to assault or rush B as it were. It's mission might require laying down quickly and a big mag would mean you'd need a nip of when realistically you also don't want to add extra weight. 10 to 15 round mag capacity is generally great and the battle rifles with this amount tend to be the most effective for those reasons. There may be a few scenarios someone wishes they had a larger mag but in order to end up in that scenario they would have had to have made a big mistake
@TheSnowWolf1000
@TheSnowWolf1000 3 жыл бұрын
More agile
@lastdayonearth8381
@lastdayonearth8381 3 жыл бұрын
Yep, I Will Never Understand Why People Nerf Greatness.
@TheTuttle99
@TheTuttle99 2 жыл бұрын
@@lastdayonearth8381 I Will Never Understand Why People Type Like This
@lastdayonearth8381
@lastdayonearth8381 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheTuttle99 I Will Never Understand Why People Care. They See This Way Of Typing And They Just Can't Control Themselves.
@mohammedcohen
@mohammedcohen Ай бұрын
Gustloff Werke was a LARGE producer of the KAR98k...definitely NOT a 'minor' producer
@A3roboy
@A3roboy 8 жыл бұрын
I would bet that the rear crosspin is temporary, because that rear, unfinished disassembly button is completely superfluous with it in place. If you imagine that the button is functional and the rear pin is not there it becomes a swing-open design (like an AR) with the front crosspin as the swivel.
@Leetgrain
@Leetgrain 8 жыл бұрын
Oh wow, that looks awesome.
@davidbowman6689
@davidbowman6689 3 жыл бұрын
I just saw the video and I noticed Captain Howdy’s face etched on the magazine. Left side of the mag upper right.
@paulhedeen7659
@paulhedeen7659 3 ай бұрын
I marvel that you handle these super rare metal components without gloves of some sort (to shield the metal from salt and skin oil).
@sae1095hc
@sae1095hc 8 жыл бұрын
As far as I can tell, the stock is held together with just those thin wood outer shells. Would last a couple of days in combat.
@thewiezman
@thewiezman 8 жыл бұрын
Possibly. But if it broke the main metal part is still there. And I suspect if this ever went into large production the would redesign the stock.
@sae1095hc
@sae1095hc 8 жыл бұрын
No doubt.
@colinsmyth9211
@colinsmyth9211 8 жыл бұрын
They may have replaced the wood with Bakelite when it came to the production stage.
@jackfuller8960
@jackfuller8960 7 жыл бұрын
Prototype
@Modellbyggaren
@Modellbyggaren 3 жыл бұрын
No, it's a dufflecut in the metal stock. Naturally the full length metal stock is meant to handle a hard paratrooper landing (or just being dropped..). The wooden outer shells is needed if you use the weapon in extreme cold or warm conditions.
@kutamsterdam
@kutamsterdam 8 жыл бұрын
Smart Ian, thanks! ...
@jfrorn
@jfrorn 8 жыл бұрын
Lot of thought into making this light weight. Shame Ian doesn't mention it.
@amrozijohar3365
@amrozijohar3365 7 жыл бұрын
hebat sekali hasil rancang bangun senapan otomatis tempo dulu, sangat menarik
@whitestarlinegoodnight
@whitestarlinegoodnight 6 ай бұрын
This looks very similar mechanically to the Maroszek rifle, and even shares some aesthetic choices. I wonder if there was some inspiration?
@kaidog9528
@kaidog9528 8 жыл бұрын
the action and trigger group look similar to the internal workings of a winchester 1300....with the addition of the gas operation
@ajorsomething4935
@ajorsomething4935 4 жыл бұрын
Never seen that locking system before and I'm wondering how repeatable that lock up is. From what I know about what makes a rifle accurate it seems like that would be an effective system for repeat-ability, but I'm really having trouble telling.
@thorsteinwolfgangson2178
@thorsteinwolfgangson2178 8 жыл бұрын
That rifle is gorgeous.
@hernerweisenberg7052
@hernerweisenberg7052 8 жыл бұрын
hi, nice vid. i wonder if you are aware of the roller-ball in the front of that type of pen you are using to point with, are mostly made from tungsten carbide. this stuff has a mohs-hardness of 9.5 and should be easily be able to scratch any kind of steel :D
@lubossoltes321
@lubossoltes321 8 жыл бұрын
Ian, do you see any issues with the rifle as it is and why it was not adopted ? I mean from construction point of view. Any weak parts ? The trigger group is a bit complicated as you mentioned, but the locking block looks like a decent idea to me ...
@huntercompton9650
@huntercompton9650 8 жыл бұрын
Was the inner metal part of the stock originally welded to the receiver? it seems like it wouldn't be structurally sufficient to handle the recoil of 8x57 if the only thing holding the stock on was the two wood sides of the stock.
@munkSWE88
@munkSWE88 8 жыл бұрын
Hey Ian, any chance you can make a video about the Carl Gustav M/45?. I haven´t seen an indeept video about it.
@nicolasmauser
@nicolasmauser 8 жыл бұрын
This rifle looks like an last-ditch efford,like an end of the war weapon
@yam83
@yam83 8 жыл бұрын
The look of a prototype at the start of the war, becomes the look of a frontline weapon at the end of the war.
@knives9284
@knives9284 3 жыл бұрын
its a prototype firearm, they aren't supposed to be refined and pretty
@ashleysmith3106
@ashleysmith3106 5 жыл бұрын
Also - someone else mentioned the stampings on the back edge of the bolt; looks like - Fed St I - or similar. Any ideas?
@NateNizz
@NateNizz 8 жыл бұрын
This is a pretty creepy rifle. The hole in the back of the receiver surrounded by mangled hammer marks, and the tab inside that's supposed to slot into it, but it doesn't... it's just, bleh... Also, it's serial number 13. I wouldn't pay a dime for this cursed object.
@elryanoo
@elryanoo 8 жыл бұрын
Ian is a highroller with that Bic stic pen.
@dukeradwardthe5th843
@dukeradwardthe5th843 8 жыл бұрын
The mag makes the 203 so much cooler looking ^^
@ThePandaSlasher
@ThePandaSlasher 6 жыл бұрын
I can see they got inspiration from the polish Maroszek rifle there.
@gundree
@gundree 8 жыл бұрын
So, outside the trigger group, how reliable/accurate do you think this style of bolt group would be? Great stuff as always Ian.
@ForgottenWeapons
@ForgottenWeapons 8 жыл бұрын
Seems to me like it would have been pretty good...
@trooperkent
@trooperkent 8 жыл бұрын
Cool vid thanks What's the threaded muzzle for?
@ScreamingSturmovik
@ScreamingSturmovik 8 жыл бұрын
there may not be much new to say on it as i've read about it on your site but i would like to see and hear about the MG-30/Solothurn S2-200, seem to me like it would have been a geart mg but got taken over by the MG-34 and belt fed mgs
@donaldasayers
@donaldasayers 8 жыл бұрын
I cannot help but feel that the metal inner in the rear of the stock was supposed to be one with the rest of the gun, even the zigzag pressed grooves line up. Why it was detached, or never joined I cannot tell.
@Birddog103
@Birddog103 8 жыл бұрын
Ian, as the lockup between the bolt and the barrel doesn't occur until the op-rod is fully forward, what prevents the rifle from firing out of battery? Does the op-rod prevent the hammer from striking the firing pin unless it is full forward and therefore in battery? Thanks.
@cristiangalvan3365
@cristiangalvan3365 7 жыл бұрын
A beautiful rifle!
@ashleysmith3106
@ashleysmith3106 5 жыл бұрын
Wow! A prototype Gustloff rifle No. 13 to go with the prototype Gustloff pistol No. 13 !
@calehane
@calehane 8 жыл бұрын
i wonder what the markings at 16:12 are... did anyone catch a better glimpse at them?
@beckhamhome
@beckhamhome 8 жыл бұрын
I'm guessing that the wood furniture was made this way as a prototype and that plastic would replace it in production. Very interesting rifle but it looks more semi-auto shotgun with the twin transfer bars and dropping locking block than rifle.
@xXGUNMAN357Xx
@xXGUNMAN357Xx 4 жыл бұрын
willing to bet that stock area was cut with a hacksaw to fit in a duffel bag
@Tired_Sloth
@Tired_Sloth 8 жыл бұрын
I wonder how much of the estimated price is due to that little eagle.. I want to think not any but one can't help but ponder. Cool to see something that isn't from one of the big firearms developers of Germany at the time!
@da8352
@da8352 8 жыл бұрын
If there is no disconnector and you hold the sear down in a hammer fired gun like that, instead of fire full auto i think the bolt and the hammer will just drop together and fail to fire the next round because the hammer drops too slowly.
@americanmilitiaman88
@americanmilitiaman88 4 жыл бұрын
The back pin looks like the sks receiver cover pin
@doctim111
@doctim111 5 жыл бұрын
Action underside reminds me of a Rem 742
@meatmissilef111
@meatmissilef111 8 жыл бұрын
It looks like the back of the receiver got damaged and somebody just welded the snot out of it to fix it.
@charpsteve36
@charpsteve36 7 жыл бұрын
You shouldn't have blurred out the swastika in the thumbnail. As a fellow history buff, I believe that history should be represented as accurately as possible so that future society can remember the mistakes that we and our ancestors made. Just my unrequested opinion. Update: Shit, I just saw your video addressing this. It restored and extended my faith in you as an honest consumer of history. Keep up the great work!
@permutatechguy
@permutatechguy 8 жыл бұрын
very complicated but cool
@jonashunt2307
@jonashunt2307 8 жыл бұрын
If this used a cut-down MG13 magazine, could it use the regular 25-round magazine like the Mauser Selbstlader and the G.41? If it could, was there any real advantage in having those magazines interchangeable? I mean, sure, it would be nice to fire twenty-five rounds before having to reload, but would that be any real advantage if these weapons went into production? I suppose the one advantage would be not having to change the tooling - you would just be able to use slightly modified MG13 magazine stamps.
@fleurdelispens
@fleurdelispens 8 жыл бұрын
could you please do a video on the remmington 51?
@Clay3613
@Clay3613 7 жыл бұрын
Any reason the newer videos seem less colorful than the old ones? Different camera or lighting changes?
@rangercal1
@rangercal1 Жыл бұрын
The locking lugs seem too thin for regular use. But with further development they could have made it work.
@MrStarTraveler
@MrStarTraveler Ай бұрын
I bet the metal inner part of the stock was one piece once. I bet some one cut it like that at some point.
@xXxblackendeyesxXx
@xXxblackendeyesxXx 8 жыл бұрын
Hey Ian is there anyway I can email you? I've got some questions on some firearms my grandfather will be passing down to me. I've only seen them once I believe they're a series of buffalo bill rifles. Absolutely beautiful never been shot outside the factory!
@forsakenace9577
@forsakenace9577 7 жыл бұрын
I get the BAR AK feel from this gun just a lot different
@nathaniellahti2449
@nathaniellahti2449 5 жыл бұрын
Can we get a forgotten weapons t-shirt that features Ian’s wonderful facial hair?
@darnit1944
@darnit1944 8 жыл бұрын
You got any welrod pistol to review on? Suppressed bolt action pistol, 9mm, capable of reducing noise up to 70db
@davepetrini1195
@davepetrini1195 9 ай бұрын
Wow!!!!! Spectacular investment for the seller.
@basedury
@basedury 8 жыл бұрын
Seems like they originally built this particular rifle without the wood guard and stock, but then covered those components with the wood, maybe for the sake of presentation.
@jacobreid8391
@jacobreid8391 5 жыл бұрын
Is it possible that metal stock was just cut like a duffel cut? Perhaps it was one piece and the wood just covered over it like the hand guard?
@PatrickMHoey
@PatrickMHoey 3 жыл бұрын
I’ve been watching these videos for days and only now fallen into Ian’s WW2/Nazi Germany videos from years ago.
@soldtobediers
@soldtobediers 8 жыл бұрын
Agreed... It's action has more chaotic moves to date, than Ex-Lax... -gilpin 8-18-16
@LtJackboot
@LtJackboot Ай бұрын
7:39 That looks like a complicated, expensive mess. Even for the time.
@tutes0133
@tutes0133 7 жыл бұрын
Well she is a beauty though. Pretty rifle, I love it's Industrial look compared to say a Gewehr 41
@Zuggy
@Zuggy 8 жыл бұрын
I can see why Hitler would push for the development of this weapon. He was easily impressed with overly complex weapons over practical weapons.
@coreddit
@coreddit 8 жыл бұрын
The stock design would make sense if they were planning to make it from Bakelite in the mass production version.
@Nnnope
@Nnnope 8 жыл бұрын
"It went puhhhh" hahahaha
@bigmal1690
@bigmal1690 8 жыл бұрын
i wonder why they even bothered with the thin wood covering, was it just for to look good, seams like a lot of wood work for sumthing that can easily be metal stamped?
@Jesses001
@Jesses001 8 жыл бұрын
I have read about these, and seen pictures, but this is the first time I ever have seen the inside. Well that is a really interesting stock. I wonder why they did that. I mean it could not had been to make the stock easier to make, ha. Otherwise the general design, lock up excluded, seems to be taking a page from most good semi-auto designs of the time. The lock however, first time I ever saw that, ha. That trigger group is...umm...very German, ha.
@1959Edsel
@1959Edsel 8 жыл бұрын
Could this rifle have originally been made without wood on the stock? The shape of the metal piece inside makes that seem possible. Maybe someone was worried about a soldier's cheek getting frozen to a metal stock in cold weather.
@henningklaveness7082
@henningklaveness7082 4 жыл бұрын
I love how it's been extensively worked with a ball peen hammer. That may be an indication of why it never went anywhere.
@terrykyte1845
@terrykyte1845 10 ай бұрын
amazing that anyone would design something so complex and fragile for military use
@TheUnknown380
@TheUnknown380 8 жыл бұрын
That trigger group at first kinda reminded me of a mouse trap
@vulpsturm
@vulpsturm 8 жыл бұрын
Do you think that the internal sheetmetal stock was duffle-cut?
@Modellbyggaren
@Modellbyggaren 3 жыл бұрын
Without a doubt!
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