PRS vs PRS - USA CE24 vs SE CE24 Standard

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John Robson Guitarist

John Robson Guitarist

Ай бұрын

Today I compare a USA made #PRS CE24 with its budget cousin - the SE CE24 Standard Satin. Is the £1900 price difference justified?
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@BrentAdams
@BrentAdams Ай бұрын
The price difference isn't in "tone", but in craftsmanship and the wood quality along with U.S. made versions of everything else....better switch durability, etc. There is nothing really different about the basic tones between the two, and I have jumped on the "get the best value guitar to do the job done" camp. I prefer the neck shape on the Harley Benton CST-24 T personally, so that is the guitar that I went with...and they have a little warmer tone, which I also prefer. I own a few U.S. made guitars including a PRS Core, but I play the less expensive guitars a LOT more.
@LairdDavidson
@LairdDavidson Ай бұрын
Sounds about right. I bought an SE because I couldn't justify the price of a core model. I splashed out a lot more on an acoustic guitar because the difference in sound was much more obvious between expensive and budget.
@standingbadger
@standingbadger Ай бұрын
I like them both sound-wise, racing pigeons aside. In a blindfold test, I couldn't tell which one was either the more expensive or the cheaper of the two.
@gearViewmirror
@gearViewmirror Ай бұрын
Nothing more rewarding than making a "cheap" guitar feel like an "expensive" guitar🤫 Nice little comparison🎸🤘🏼🎸
@FRCMoto
@FRCMoto Ай бұрын
Nice job, John. This is exactly what I would have expected out of those 2 guitars. We live in good times for guitarists.
@1madaxeman
@1madaxeman Ай бұрын
I own 2 PRS Core guitars (CU22 2004 and a CU24 2012) love 'em both my favourites of my collection, including Gibsons, Fenders etc etc.....exactly what you say in the video - you can see it aesthetically and you can feel it in the playability that's where the money is really showing. Tonally I have a Harley Benton with some Toneriders in it and it sounds every bit as good as many of my other more expensive guitars....but like the PRS SE Customs and Epi's etc they get the aesthetic with veneers and muliple pieces of cheaper wood to make the guitar to a price and use cheap far eastern labour - tonewise they can sound fine...but they aren't real quality wood's etc but they get a decent playable nice sounding guitar for a lower price. But if you're passionate about guitar and can afford top end stuff - its nice to have. I can get around in a skoda, but its a nicer ride in a jag!
@stevelogan1699
@stevelogan1699 Ай бұрын
Loved the straight talking and honesty of your review, John. You are completely fair on both sides of the comparison, neither talking up the cheaper guitar nor talking down the more expensive. I think your viewers might be very interested to get your take on a comparison of the SE CE Standard with a more intermediate PRS: the SE Custom 24-08. Any chance of that? Thanks for the constantly instructive and entertaining content John.
@JonnyDee123
@JonnyDee123 Ай бұрын
Not surprised at your findings, re sound and playability. I have a PRS SE 24-08 Standard which I love. Tobacco Sunburst and lacquered. I also have an early PRS E4 worth considerably more. It's Solid Black with a custom mother of pearl scratch plate . The customisation done by one of the guys in Chandlers in Kew where I bought it some time in the early 90s. It's nice; not too flash and not too purdy to take out on the road, so I have gigged with it from theatres to pubs for 30 years plus. I really can appreciate a drop dead gorgeous PRS but I always think (books self plastic surgery for when the backlash comes 🙂) they are more a piece of very classy furniture rather than a workhorse guitar. If I owned one I'd be really hesitant to take it to a pub gig or down the Legion.
@calbrockocat8728
@calbrockocat8728 Ай бұрын
I think at the price points that it's all about playability and how it feels. They did sound so much alike that you could have switched the audio back and forth between them with no one noticing. The expensive one stays home to record with. The other goes to gigs.
@mikenorman6697
@mikenorman6697 Ай бұрын
If you can't tell the difference between them tonally - why have the more expensive at home to record with if the recorded results between the two guitars would be indistinguishable? The USA model certainly looks nicer and it may well feel nicer to play......but the £1900 difference between the two guitars is HUGE! I can't see how the majority of people could justify buying the USA model.
@PaulCooksStuff
@PaulCooksStuff Ай бұрын
It doesn't need a justification. Guitars are wants, not needs. As John said, the USA variant oozed quality and attention to detail. If you want the very personal indulgence of treating yourself to that extra degree of craftsmanship and appreciate those feel in those nuances, you can spend your own money however you like. The listener barely hears a difference whether you play a USA, an SE, or an $99 Ali express chinese clone, but that doesn't mean the players own personal pleasure in the playability doesn't matter to their own performance.
@mikenorman6697
@mikenorman6697 Ай бұрын
@@PaulCooksStuff I'm talking as someone who has good ears. I really struggled to hear any differences between the guitars. I can certainly understand appreciating a finer instrument but in this case I think the £1900 difference for no discernible benefit musically/tonally will be a stretch too far for the vast majority of people. With the Squier/Fender ranges - I can generally hear improvements up to when you hit the lower rungs of the American Fenders. But in those cases we're talking £1000 less than the American PRS's - so far more justifiable!
@PaulCooksStuff
@PaulCooksStuff Ай бұрын
@@mikenorman6697 If choices are only justifiable if there's a discernable benefit to an observer, a BIC biro produces letters as legibly as a Montblanc, and a Casio tells the time as well as a Patek Phillipe. Choices are not always simply about the functional end result - the pleasure and tactile quality of use matter (to some) too. John felt a tangible step up in quality and attention to detail in his own hand - as a blunt and honest northern bloke I doubt he's making that up. Theres your discernable benefit - to the player himself. It's not about your ears, it's about your hands feeling finessed attention to detail and playability. The players enjoyment and quality of life improvements, however small, still matter to the player even if the listener finds it indistinguishable in the audio output. If the tangible feel of a particular instrument invokes a higher regard and pride of ownership, a greater desire to pick up and play, greater inspiration to create, it's almost priceless when amortised over a lifetime of ownership. Only the individual player can make that very personal judgement of how much they value the differences. Judging it solely on discernable benefit sonically to a listener is ignoring the player and playability in the value equation. You've made a judgement the differences in feel/sound aren't worth the price to you, and that's fine, for you. I very much fish in SE waters too and if anything they make them a little too well. I suspect I'd find it hard to look beyond the SE too because it's 90% there for a much lower fraction of the USA price, but again that's a very personal decision on financial comfort and my hamfisted playing skills not being limited by the missing 10% of small quality detail. Justification can only be personal, it can never be a universal judgement on how others should be obliged to see it. I can't criticise anyone who decides the kind of quality improvements John discerned are worth it to them. If we want nicer things and are voluntarily willing to pay the (often diminishing returns) price, I can't condemn that as universally unjustifiable.
@triax7006
@triax7006 Ай бұрын
@@mikenorman6697 The thing is the sound is all in the pickups if the pickups are in the same place on the scale length (which should be the case in 2 PRS that are designed the same). This is the thing with electric guitars, the tone is via the picks picking up the magnetic change in the area they surround, not any acoustic properties. There maybe sustain differences but ironically a bolt on electric is going to sustain better (albeit slightly) than a set neck one. But players will buy with their eyes & of course that "Made in USA" tag. How many other products outside industrial ones do ppl really look at where a product is made? Certainly ppl hand over $1k for an Apple phone & it's made in China with parts sourced from other areas & none from the USA. If an Apple phone was made in the US it would still be around $1k, it is just what Apple charge. PRS could actually make all their guitars in Indonesia or China & still charge $2k-3K etc, it's what ppl will pay. The "Made in USA" tag is nothing to do with the skill of US workers 0- they are paid $20 an hour like they are at Fender & of course CNC's work the same no matter where they are located.
@Howardegarner
@Howardegarner Ай бұрын
Great comparison video. I own two USA PRS’s and the workmanship and playability of the the guitars are great. I also have a Yamaha Pacifica 612ViiFM which I bought second hand in mint condition for £350, a real bargain and this is my go to guitar at the moment. It seems to me that comparing the 2 PRS guitars is like flying economy class or first class. You arrive at the same destination at the same time but the comfort level is the difference.
@TomClarkSouthLondon
@TomClarkSouthLondon Ай бұрын
The comparison🤔one is the wife, the other is a “lover!”🤗
@MrMoneyHelper
@MrMoneyHelper Ай бұрын
I don't really love PRS guitars, but I want one just because Paul Reed Smith is doing his best to get awesome guitars into the hands of people who enjoy guitars. I tried a Vela with a sound hole and it was pretty good. I would prefer a wider width at the nut. The neck pickup was VERY different in volume compared to the bridge pickup. That imbalance really put me off of it. Otherwise I liked it. I've never played an SE. Perhaps I would like those too. Bolt on necks are my favorite because they can be adjusted easier than set necks.
@tommyd5238
@tommyd5238 Ай бұрын
I listened, and so did my wife, and we both thought that the USA CE 24 just had the edge, a smoother and less brittle sound, but they are both great guitars, it just depends on how much money you can afford !
@jimmyjames2022
@jimmyjames2022 Ай бұрын
Glad to see this CE comparison! I've got the 85/15S in my Swamp Ash SE and they're great pups. Not really obvious in this demo but the 85/15 Core are more articulate clean than the import versions. Worth the $3000CAD difference? Not for my budget. (Prices in Canada are crazy.) BTW, the S2 line all have Core pups as of 2024.
@dallastoto3189
@dallastoto3189 Ай бұрын
Thanks Mate!! I just saved a BOATLOAD of money!! Cheers Dallas
@mortonwilson795
@mortonwilson795 Ай бұрын
I'd be perfectly happy with this SE - love the finish, the rosewood board, nice coil split (altho prefer the versatility of my Custom 24-08) and both the green & burgundy colours BUT I do worry that the Indonesian PRS line is prone to problems with the internals. Out of the 4 I have picked up and played 1 (actually in the shop) had a 'silent' bridge pick-up much to the embarrassment of my friend, the manager, and now my own SE is cutting out on the bridge after just 18 months! Shame, the actual instruments are fine and I even like the pick-ups on my 24-08, the coil split combos are very cool!
@tripledistilled2822
@tripledistilled2822 Ай бұрын
one of them was pretty glossy John!
@69nisab
@69nisab Ай бұрын
Sound much the same to me. Not in to green guitars but that more expensive one is a beauty.
@strumminronin
@strumminronin Ай бұрын
That quilted maple is almost delicious!
@daviddalziel884
@daviddalziel884 Ай бұрын
Great stuff as always John . They sound so similar it’s crazy . The satin neck on the £499 guitar is I’m guessing in sharp contrast to the feel of the USA model . I’ve got two PRS SE guitars , an old 245 SE which is all shiny and glossy and very Gibson like and a Silver Sky SE which has a satin neck again I’m guessing similar to the bolt on SE CE SATIN . The satin neck on mine has smoothed out with playing and feels much better than when it arrived . TBH I’d rather go for the SE CE 24 with the maple cap which isn’t too much more expensive than the satin .
@JRobsonGuitar
@JRobsonGuitar Ай бұрын
Actually, the USA guitar has a satin neck too. Very tactile 👍
@SVFresh2Salty
@SVFresh2Salty Ай бұрын
Funny enough I tried a USA CE out this weekend. I liked the satin finish on the neck but that was it. Didn’t like the neck profile which was more v shaped on the one I tried . I actually preferred the S2
@strumminronin
@strumminronin Ай бұрын
Nope and nope to both, but I am here out of curiosity. This is like a MIM Player vs "a Vintera II thereabouts" head to head, and I do like that kind of thing! Thanks for doing the legwork for us!
@Reeldin58
@Reeldin58 Ай бұрын
Hi John, I could never have told those two guitars apart from the sound they make. I did think the USA guitar looked awful, the green finish wouldn't be my first choice but it's ok but when you see the little bit of the colour of the back at the bottom horn to my eyes the colours don't match at all. A PRS doesn't really appeal to me at least not one I've heard so far. I've never played one so it could change my mind if I had a strum. I can see the SE version as a nice gigging instrument that covers all the tones you might need without having to swap guitars and doesn't break the bank, but if I had a couple of grand to spend a USA PRS wouldn't be at the top of my shopping list.
@eoinjennings519
@eoinjennings519 Ай бұрын
Would be interested to hear the prs se ce against prs se
@michaelbelliveau8755
@michaelbelliveau8755 Ай бұрын
Cool John...that means that my se satin has a chance to sound as good as it's American counterpart..in the right hands of course 🍻
@jrchanning
@jrchanning Ай бұрын
The guitars sounded the same to my ears and both had fantastic tones, interesting comparison, I'd only pay for the USA one if I had the money spare otherwise the other PRS would be just fine 😄
@Stratboy999
@Stratboy999 Ай бұрын
I think the point is not so much that tonally they are very similar, but that with your eyes closed you couldn't have been certain that it was a PRS of any description or price. It is the lack of distinctiveness that puts me off buying even the budget version. The best I can really say is that they have a pretty versatile range of sounds which be helpful for live work. I really dislike the split coil sound though, it sounds weak and unpleasant to me. As usual, the finish on the expensive one is super.
@JRobsonGuitar
@JRobsonGuitar Ай бұрын
Interesting... For me the single coil tones on these guitars are one of their strong points. To my ears they actually sound like proper single coils, rather than humbuckers chopped in half, which is what I get from a lot of HH guitars. Each to their own I suppose 👍
@mikenorman6697
@mikenorman6697 Ай бұрын
I don't have an ear for PRS guitars (as I do for Fenders and copies and to a lesser extent Gibson and copies) - but I couldn't tell them apart tonally. Obviously the USA model looks more expensive. I don't know if some of the additional cost of the USA model is better reliability of components. But at £500, I wouldn't categorise the SE as a budget instrument so would expect it to be well built with reliable components. In this case I can't see any reason to buy the USA model over the SE unless you wanted it because you wanted it.
@ianhoyle8459
@ianhoyle8459 Ай бұрын
I thought your SE sounded fuller
@shaunhouse8469
@shaunhouse8469 Ай бұрын
You can see that the construction of the full fat version is going to be more expensive but I for one think it means it looks worse
@triax7006
@triax7006 Ай бұрын
I agree. I mean the green colour maybe not the nicest but in other colours to a persons taste it would be better. None gloss that show the grain is pretty good & I even like the concept of it being a bolt on neck - makes little difference to sustain & if any it creates more sustain. Certainly the tone won't be affected. If ppl want to spend $2k or more on a PRS then that is no problem, but rest assured they won't be getting a better tone or even a better tool to make music with. There really does need tech advances to justify high prices of low tech guitars like what is offered. Carbon fibre necks, advanced electronics, advanced pickups. They really have run out of ideas & are just phoning it in & asking thousands for something made on a CNC & finished by workers on $20/hr in the US.
@johnmac8084
@johnmac8084 Ай бұрын
I couldn't hear any notable difference. I love my PRS SE guitars, although I haven't tried a CE yet
@worthmoremusic
@worthmoremusic Ай бұрын
Unplugged the $500 is far more resonant. If you or anybody had no clue of the cost, it's not all that likely you can tell the difference. They both use the same electronics. A glossy, flame top is not a $1900 justification for me....
@MegaLochgelly
@MegaLochgelly Ай бұрын
I'm sure the USA volume goes to 11.
@jamesonpace726
@jamesonpace726 Ай бұрын
If they get to under 7lbs, I'll buy another PRS. Rarely they are, but not too often....
@Snackum
@Snackum Ай бұрын
Doesn't £1,900 just get you brighter birds?
@JRobsonGuitar
@JRobsonGuitar Ай бұрын
Shiny racing pigeons cost money you know 😁👍
@Chip_57
@Chip_57 Ай бұрын
Why would you spend amost 2K more? Yes it’s got a nice figured top and nice binding but come on, unless you are a guitar snob of course......
@triax7006
@triax7006 Ай бұрын
The electronics are literal pennies when bought in bulk. The labour costs whilst would add to the cost in the US again isn't that significant & certainly US workers are not any better than workers in Indonesia or even China. The so called "55" finish is nothing as it is just QC control & is just the final set up & really concerns the neck, the fret finish. So apart from he cosmetics of the wood top (which adds nothing to tone in an electric guitar) all that ppl are paying for is the "Made in USA" name, the cosmetic wood & ppl buying $2k guitars & more & happy to pay that mainly because they are $2k guitars. It really is laughable that ppl think a $500 guitar is worse than a $2k guitar, a guitar is a tool to be played not to be hung on a wall & stared at whilst waxing lyrical about it's $2k price tag to whoever is unfortunate to be in the room with that person. I have no problem with ppl paying $2k for an electric guitar, however for them to say their $2k electric guitar sounds better, feels better & "Made in the USA" is worth anything when all guitars - even $2k guitars are CNC made is laughable. Just as well you know the real story of the costs of guitars as you have mentioned many times before, that $500 PRS is always going to be a good guitar, the $2k one is also good but it is only an electric guitar & serves the same function. Art & wine connoisseurs have different motives however.
@klausfritsch4350
@klausfritsch4350 Ай бұрын
My ears are not good enough to hear any difference.
@TheGissy77
@TheGissy77 Ай бұрын
To me all prs’s are butt ugly. They sound just the same to ne and the cheap one looks just a smidge better aswell.
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