He had no choice

It’s like getting promoted in the Imperial Fleet by Darth Vader.

@@bigjimmy3792 hes talking about eltariel

@UCkMVcG_5iADpdcEFr1NZQXQ well she was always a stupid bitchh

Or accepting a ring from a deceptively looking fair person who literally just transformed from a Dark Lord form in front of you.

right, like more story to them too

It also provides easy drama between the characters which helped to divide them by the end. Which is a plus for storytelling.

Agreed

Yep.. sauron isnt like morgoth, sauron "the great deceiver"

Unfortunately though, it interferes with the canon. At least for helm, who couldn’t possibly be a Ringwraith

I like that irony in Shadow of War. They talk of how weak the race of men are to the corruption of the rings of power and yet they are not immune to hubris. Celebrimbor in this story of Shadow of War keeps reminding us of how perfect his ring is and how it is pure compared to Salron's one ring. It is so perfect that it ironically twisted its own creator into a lust for power and a dominance of Mordor under the Bright lord. And Eltariel is no different. She has been fighting the Nazgul for a long time as the Blade of Galadriel and she reminds Talion of how the Nazgul cannot truly die only be temporarily defeated and banished back to an endless stalemate. But when Celebrimbor offers her the one ring after seeing that a Nazgul can truly be defeated via the domination of the new ring she takes it believing that its the only way to bring the end of Salron and his evil.

And despite wanting to save Talion she refuses to give him back the ring to save him.

Not even elves- You do realize that Celebrimbor himself, the "Bright lord" is an elf too right I say good riddance after they left Middle earth. They were the worst

It is indeed true, in Tolkien's many works even the elves were not free from corruption, although it took the form of pride, jealousy and betrayal.

Galadriel also portrayed that in the movies "my heart yearns for it!!1 xoxo"

🤣🤣🤣

One of the dumbest moments in the game I tell you.

@@54lolman 5:45 and this laugh from celebrimbor

​@@nikhil796 goofy lol

​@@54lolman haha i just played that part now 😂😂

Isildur was a Nazgul??

@@manuelvaldivia1682 no, just this game put its own canon into it. Which I like more honestly

5:46 creepy moment

@@brycevans He may have been who knows.

Muack? Lol. Quack quack.

unfortunately they copyrighted the nemesis game mechanic, so no one can do what they did

@@Cyberbyte_010 but, they can make another series with the system, they’re a pretty good company considering these games, so I’d expect in a few years for them to do something else with the system, maybe a Hobbit era series with someone in Mirkwood/the misty mountains and they fight against the spiders and orcs of Moria and dol gol dur. Since it’s a grey area beyond Gandalf going to the fortress and the wood elves retreating north. There’s a lot of breathing area to create a story that could have worth

@@ivanSMart54 'they’re a pretty good company'..... are u aware of the BS the studio and publisher did a very months after release, once everyone wasn't looking at them so closely, the backlash they got, that tarred the rep of this game. Think EA type of scumminess. Then to add salt to the wound, WB went and copyrighted a game mechanic, that is based on the work of games before it, just so no one else can use it and improve on it, in any form of game. Game Devs have now got to wait for like 15 to 20 years for the copyright to go away, and that's if they don't extend it. After the backlash and bad rep, u wont see the Game Devs or the Publisher making something like this anytime soon. Bc they won't unless they know it's gonna be a money maker.

I still hope this get a third game to go deeper

I think its lowly rated because of how much it butchers established Tolkien lore, especially Shelob.

well the ring is + 30 armor and the armor is like full suit = +7 lmao

Looks like the ring can turn cardboard into steel!

Armor never stops arrows In the series. Boromir was wear full chainmail when he died.

For talion not even with a ring

@@codafett Arrows and bolts can go through chainmail, especially if the links are unriveted. It can even cleave through the few rings it makes contact with, or thread the needle a tiny bit too. All depends on type of arrow/bolt, distance, bow type and angle of penetration. It also depends on chainmail material, linking technique, size of links, smithing competence and if adequate extra protection was used, as just a chainmail is insufficient as armor.

He never had a ring. The Nazgul appeared long before Ar Pharazon

@@valthiriansunstrider2540 Aye, I'm well aware of that, the game takes many liberties with Tolkien Lore, I was just pointing out what was in the game

@@iceomistar4302 well the game was never meant to be canon I think. It just use the source to create the best gaming experience

@B Ball Have I mentioned anything about movies? Just like game they are only adaptations from the source, it is quite obvious for me, no need for you to explain

Yeah, well no, that's wrong for many reasons, just as much as the entire game story. It's a non canonic game, I know, but you have no idea how many kids out there do believe this is what Tolkien wrote so comments like yours just support that very false idea

my though exactly !

What I can’t believe is that his daughter, from what it looks like, DID merry him… when she clearly saw that he murdered her own father in front of herself.

@@vanndymaywho1910 Now you understand women.

Love does shifty things. Also he may not have been the best dad.

Yeah, that guy wasn't the brightest bulb on the Christmas tree

Except that it doesn´t make any sense. Sauron can´t control the other Rings without the one ring. Let alone that the Nazgul appeared for the first time over 1200 Years before Isildur died.

@@stratossotarts1468 The implication is clearly that The Nazgul get killed and switched out every few years

@@codafett but this implication is absolute bullshit in the context of real tolkien lore. everything in the middle earth games is wrong. The complete timeline is fucked up. the concept of the nazgul is fucked up. The youngest of the nazgul in the real lotr would be more than 5000 years old, because the 9 appeared around the year 1000 SA. And the 9 were 100% always the same. they never changed.

@@HeavyMetalGamingHD Nerd

@@HeavyMetalGamingHD take a break, this game is never meant to be canon, just enjoy it as it is.

He became the new Lord of the Ring for a short time

In fairness he's still 3,000 years old But yeah I like Nazgul Isildur

@@LegatusLucius1994 no he didn’t talion was using one of the 9 rings of power of men bilbo had the one ring the lord of the ring at the time

@@thepublicpotato3887 Sauron already put a curse on anyone who tried to use the ring of power soul of corrupted when he used it

@@thepublicpotato3887 hes talking about Isildur and hes right. Isildur was lord of the ring for a period of time until he died in the river.

Really? I legit just watched this video again and literally recognized the kings armor 🤔. I guess this game isn’t canon?

just like how it betrayed celebrimor

I love the look on his face

@tkg deez nuts

That was hard to watch. Watching women die in fiction is truly one of the worst things to see in fiction.

@@lostinthestorywithjeremymi9385 best*

@@babyragegekyume4132 NO.

@@babyragegekyume4132 How horrific can you be to enjoy watching women die in fiction?

lordnastrond1 My question is what exactly happens to the Nasgul after there defeated, they fly awaysure but at the end of the game talon kills the nazgul on the bridge by shoving his sword in its face and his ring is left behind and that didn’t happen to the others? So where do they and there rings go?

Captain Turd Cookie's I believe most if not all the Nazgul died at Mount Doom after the Ring was destroyed. And since all the Rings of Power are tied to the One, the Nine lost their power.

King Camelot But where did they go after talion defeated them I suppose this is what people mean when they say “breaking the lore” lol

Captain Turd Cookie's They returned to their master.

@@griffin3921 even though someone has already replied I figured i would add that the nazgul return to sauron but the reason he didnt is because celebrimbor was trying to recruit him which cause the ring to leave allowing Tallion who felt mercy for him to kill him

There's nine Nazgul that was only four prostitute Chinese sisters there's plenty of room for that easterling guy

Developers: Who?

@@mysticwraith6667 The second named ring-wraith that you'd known about if you'd do your research. (I know that you're playin' so I'm just playin' along)

The Enclave Guy Stupid ?

No, I disagree...they should have made Earnur the last king of Gondor who was the last man who boldly challenged the Witch-King face to face just like Talion the last Nazgul. the story would fit perfectly, since No one truly knew what happened after he left Gondor to confront his nemesis the Witch-King of Angmar that Baited him into fighting single combat with nothing more than a small escort with him. The Witch-King would've turned him into a wraith the same way he tried to Brand and corrupt Talion and make him his slave/servant turning him against his own kingdom and people. giving him the power to enslave all the dead gondorians he once ruled in life and command them in death.( and as a bonus the men who disappeared with Earnur would be his undead body guards just like the men of Minis Ithil became Talions.) he would be a twisted mockery of his former self: Earnur - The High Slave King of The Dead...

Then nazgul armour that looks like just cloth takes over 50 elf shots

So, you want him to wear 1-inch thick plate armor weighting 100kgs to battle?

@@louieg7676 better than dying so easily

@@siegwardofcatarina100 Lol. Wearing a very heavy armor to battle that'll greatly affect your mobility would just mean suicide. Swords can't even penetrate a leather armor with one stroke. Warriors are just finding the balance between protection without totally sacrificing mobility.

@@louieg7676 You don't need 1-inch thick plate armor, standard Medieval chest plates which was 2-3 mm thick took Crossbow bolts at 200-300 lbs draw weight with a small dent. You're only puncturing through 900+ and even then just barely. Meanwhile your average English longbow was 70-80 and your Mongol around 160. It's all Hollywood nonsense that arrows and swords could be easily jammed through plate armor. Your best chance was going for the exposed parts with a large volley of arrows or using heavy weaponry like warhammers or half swording. Well built knight armor moved easily too, there's quite a few videos of people wearing fully fitted plate armor and running around and the ability to jump and mount a horse. It's still heavy, but these guys had nothing better to do than train their bodies for war. TL;DR JaggedSallad is right, that's some shit armor for a King.

@Alfie BRANCH there’s a lot to his story but in my opinion it was 2 things, the first was the first story of him, where he tells a man (in his in his great hall) who was threatening him and his kingdom that “No king would ever fight in his hall, but we are free men outside” which he then takes it outside and beats the man to death with his bare hands (hence the nickname Hammer Hand). The second is when he left his enemies (wild men snd orcs) in fear during the long winter for every time they heard the horn in Helm’s Deep they knew he would go out on a rampage and murder a bunch of his enemies with his bare hands. There’s a lot more context to these stories but I wanted to at least give you the just of it and hopefully they’ll stay true to his story for the upcoming animated movie of him.

I don't understand, what is this a response to?

That’s cool but I’m still gonna kill and dominate them

@@Dylan-bc2po Celebrimbor's mention of Savage Orcs

@tkg And the idea of being born evil doesn't feel that good either. Does being born an orc make you evil? Does being a certain species make you evil?

Yet they plunder and murder and torture. Every villain has a sorrowful past I suppose

It really isn't.

@@The_winds_of_change I don’t care about game being accurate, the show has to be and is not! Dumb ass

@@The_winds_of_change yeaah, its not accurate but it sure is cool to see

It's about submission

To offer a ring, he'd rather look like Anakin Skywalker than Darth-Vader himself. He wanted to look humble and fragile so confidence would be quickly built up. He made his full-armored appearance look just "for looks" by doing that (the reverse would be intimidating someone who previously wasn't).

You can't be a Dark Lord without being dramatic.

In the lore ar pharazon came before the black gates in such force that Sauron could not turn him back so instead of played the long game and submitted to him. Eventually corrupting most of numenor and getting him to invade aman where he was killed. He never received a ring of power In this game it follows that story very very loosely

I'm pretty sure it wasn't a portrayal of what's really happened, but a way of telling that he was a dark lord and chose to appear as a noble elf to that king. He didn't actually transform in front of him, it's a metaphor for his deception.

Yeah it makes sense in this game because nazguls have their rings in this game but in books sauron took their rings from them and keeps them to himself so you can’t take their rings. Which basically means nazguls can’t be killed permanently and no one else can take their rings and become nazguls.

I actually replayed shadow of war 4 times and found that he actually was the most hardest nazgûl to beat because he uses swarm tactics (swarm tactics being that you over power your enemies with massive numbers of units that exceeds there own numbers)

@@private_channel235 with unlimited drake support

I thought it was quite loud.

apparently...

You make more sense than the rest of the comment section

Agreed. We can have stories for the nameless kings and their transformation into the Wraiths. There was little need for names

Good for you slave!

Yes, and it only costs you your free will.

good for you slave.....you may be the top rank generasl of Sauron but that still means your binded to him

I feel like you are the ONLY one who noticed besides me. The only reason why I'm here was to rewatch that part to see if I really saw it.

@@user-pp4ll8ek3k i noticed it right away too, looks alot like a florence skyline

Just looked it up it is.

Because the ring had already drifted down river

@@blackvial i don't think it would drift that far.

​@@bogbog4678a fish supposedly eat it.

It isn't possible. The Nazgul are the original nine kings given rings of power by Sauron and appeared about 1200 years before Isildur's death. Only one Nazgul died before the One Ring's destruction, The Witch King.

@@SpookGod You know Sauron could just replace one of the 9 Nazgul right? Or is that not possible?

@@misosoup9616 Other wraiths existed, such as in the Dead Marshes and Frodo nearly turned into one after being stabbed by the Witch King. The Nazgul are specific wraiths tied to Sauron's power. He could have created more in theory, but he definitely wouldn't have been able to at the time of Isildur's death due to not having the One Ring and being without physical form. Much of his power was gone. It's extremely unlikely he would have had the power to create more Nazgul at any point in the Third Age. TL;DR- At the time Isildur died, it wasn't possible.

@@SpookGod Well, in the game Sauron straight up appeared in his physical form, didn't he?

@@misosoup9616 In a non-canon game that is akin to bad fanfiction? Yes. At the same time in Tolkien's story, he absolutely wouldn't have had the power.

Celebrimbor befriended Sauron in the story and collaborated with him in crafting the rings of power for Dwarves and Humans. It was only when the Elves caught on to Saurons intention, that Sauron launched an attack on them. Celebrimbor was taken prisoner and impaled on a pike to serve as a gruesome banner.

Only in this game

Though truly your true name is the darkest secret known only to Sauron, O King of Angmar.

Who are you?

@@TheMerchant-yt1gc I am you but in parallel universe

To my knowledge, it's been revealed who the Witch King was before he became a Nazgul. I was hoping that they would have written a back story for him in this novel, but they went with the idea that he is so corrupted by Sauron that he doesn't even remember who he was anymore. Most likely he was a powerful Numenorean King as he seems to have some magical abilities such as using morgal weapons and Tolkein goes back and forth on if Numenoreans could use magic spells.

We only know around 3 of 9 Nazgul is Numenoreans. The idea about try to include every Middle-Earth's famous kings as Nazgul is not good. Until now, I think just two Gondor kings may be are Nazgul: - Isildur: If the story let these Sauron capture and give him the Nazgul ring when he still alive ( in the real story, Sauron not stay in Mordor after his defeat anymore. And Nazgul ring can't revive the dead man to Nazgul.) - Eärnur: He accepted go to Minar Morgul to have the duel with Witch-King. No one see him after that. I don't know why the game have to include Gollum in there. It made the story have to happen somewhere after The Hobbit. In the novel, Witch King conquered Mordor thousands years before, before even Helm Hammerhand ( who the game mentioned as the Nazgul,too).

@@yevonsama omg !!Still People watching LOTR Videos

His former Numenorean name was Er-Murazor.

@@yevonsama these games take place somewhere in between hobbit and lotr, talion is a nazgul for anywhere between a few decades to a century before lotr.

Don’t look for actual lore in the games, my friend. In the books, only one or two of the wraiths were actually named and it was never even slightly suggested that Isildur was one of them. They were all kings corrupted by the power of the ring over time, and to my recollection became wraiths in due course, not after having died or been murdered. Tolkien was big on making a point that people don’t just choose to be bad one day, but it comes for them slowly as they continue down a certain path. Tolkien was very, VERY thorough- isildur would have been mentioned as a wraith if he had indeed become one.

The game is not canon with that i tell you all man.

One correction, Deagol found the ring and Sméagol killed him thus becoming Gollum

These games aren't canon

That was in the books, they have all the room in the world to move timelines and subplot points in the movie universe

@@kongming66 thank you, the movies aren’t completely book accurate either, making them almost completely separate and this could fit into the movies

The Rings change bearers in this. There’s always Nine Nazgul, but whose among them changes.

I mean the characters aren’t completely ruined or anything I honestly don’t mind it I just don’t like elf girl or the other token dude we know why he’s there. But the established ones are fine mostly I ain’t huge on lotr lore but this is better than what most franchises have done. And like u said it gives people like shelob sauron and stuff more stuff than a few screen flashes and words and 5 minutes of screen time. It’s better than rings of power lol I couldn’t even watch that for 10 minutes without being bored and it’s rated m so we actually see blood and stuff

Also it’s a game so it can get away with much cooler stuff than animation and special effects easily. It’s not canon and it’s fun all that matters I’m glad I found this game not to long ago

To be fair tho, we already know Talion's story, the Sisters' story is not that great and they both lie behind DLC.

For the sisters all that happens is they betray their father cause they had rings that he wanted and killed him

Nah I'd be like "This dude is way too good looking to be legit, get him outta here."

@@littlemoth4956 no man can resist the Power of the Ring...

@@believeorleave438 at first you would feel powerful, but then the corruption starts until you realize you are already a slave to sauron or more like the one ring

O.i.M : فلننطلق معًا Sauron was talking in a language he made called the black speech only Uruks and Olog-Hai speak that language

Also the nazgul

Something in Spanish LOL

DogZzA What u mean

I think because he was wearing one of the rings of power.