OMG I have been enjoying sound on mine for about 5 months now, it's awesome but I was following daily waiting for update because I knew it was gonna enable mic in scope.

How’s that 1-10x 640 working?

I appreciate you taking the time to watch this video.

weekender38 thanks for watching, you won’t regret making the jump to thermal! Check out my night vision vs thermal comparison. I compare ATN night vision to their thermal!

Thanks for taking the time to watch

Thanks for watching, glad it was helpful

any update since your purchase?

David Greenapple thanks for taking the time to watch.

Ivan Michev thank you for taking the time to watch.

Seems like the ATN is better, apples to apples. Unfortunately there seems to a lot of ATN hate regardless of. The details!?

Yes it is really great to see the technology both advancing as well as becoming much more affordable than it once was.

Yep. threw the results off by not having it in the correct mode for what was being viewed.

Dude read the replys to the comments above....You will regret getting the ATN..I Guarantee its going to let you down. Its Crap I know i own one 6K's worth here in the UK..The shops not selling another one their that bad..

We stopped selling ATN because we had to many returns. Now we only sell Pulsar thermals.

@@USpatriot87 Same as our shop. Absolute POS!

@@paddymularkey was gonna get a thor 4, are they that bad? I'm a UK shooter but also crossbow hunt in France and liked the ballistic computer in it. Not so sure now though.

@@MrAde395 Yes that bad. Forget all the stuff it says on the box. This has the guts of an old calculator running it. I can only use off and on.....any other function causes it to crash... Honestly avoid... I have pulsar equipment thats years old and never failed once.

Once you go thermal, there’s no going back!

@eedd sdsd Did you contact ATN? Did they refund, replace or repair?

Pulsar looked sharper and clearer. The thor was brighter sure, but it lost detail.

I cry looking at the price..

I bought the Pulsar ... I heard ATN Thermals are trash so I didn't want to deal with any disappointment especially when we are talking thousands on a scope if you can afford them you can probably go a little higher for a better quality scope.

Thanks for taking the time to watch

Glad you found it helpful.

Are you happy with your purchase?

@@thur1042 yes I am we have done hog hunting about five times in Texas it is great you see everything clearly

Did you get the ATN yet? got video? If you did Congrats! They're nice!

I completely agree

@@UFOSPACEMAN I just ordered the 4-40 640 ATN, I'll update in about a week when it arrives.

@@SilverStarHeggisist do you have it? How is it??

@@weareathletic_waath I do 1. It has amazing clarity, and a very smooth image. It holds zero when repeatedly removed from the rifle. I was able to zero it using regular paper targets without anything special. It's also sensitive enough to see the paper warm slightly where the bullet pases through for a few moments, making zeroing easier, it also easily sees impacts on steel targets making steel viable for zeroing. 2. The cons however mostly stem from ATN focusing so heavily on features, that they forgot some critical details. Namely reliability. It freezes frequently, while the battery lasts all day, you'll be lucky to have it on for more then 5 to 10 minutes at a time without having to restart the scope, this is a real shame because it's a really big detractor from a otherwise great scope. I can hope that they make a software update soon to fix this. The other is that both my Thor4 and 4K required a immediate update before they'd let you calibrate the compass. Which itself requires a very obnoxious procedure. There seems to be no way to turn off the redicle for saved images. Also because it can't see the laser range finger's zeroing laser, zeroing the range finder is a bit tricky but not impossible. After testing it in various weather conditions, and I assume this is a issue all thermals will likely have, snow, rain, mist, fog basically delete your ability to see. During the day in even moderate snow fall, you'll see further with the naked eye. It can not see stars. But it can see the moon in great detail. Also it's very heavy, and unfortunately because they wanted to market it towards the fud types (hence looking like scope) it puts a huge amount of weight very far forward on the gun making you feel that weight more. I found a stubby grip helps deal with that. Also it has a very quality feel to the scope. Both the 4K and Thor4 use the exact same body I would say if you're like me and used to dealing with finky equipment and want features above all else, this is definitely the way to go. If you want to turn it on and just work above all else, something else may be in order. Also while it can see people at long range, you will not be able to recognize if it's your friend or someone else at ranges further then a few hundred yards. If I had friends, and I was providing overwatch, I would probably have them wear a black square or something to make it easier to identify at range.

Just keep in mind the 15x is a digital zoom. The 640 will hold up better in terms of resolution, but the base magnification is a big factor in selecting the thermal scope for your needs.

shane ankney I’ve heard they are more responsive via their Facebook page. Maybe try that to speed up the process of gaining assistance. Wish I could be of more help.

@@4MRRanch HAAAAA!!!! that says it all!!.....Its an expensive piece of kit .....Someone to answer the phones Should be standard at the price paid. 3 times they had mine back i dont think they even took it out of the box its the same now as it was the first time i returned it, Now i cant even get them to call me back....Now i have to get Facebook....HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!

I went with the Pulsar due to too many people complaining of problems with the Thor. For that much money I didn't want to have a non working unit after the warranty goes out. Reliability and service is worth the differance

Yeah that was embarrassing for Pulsar, I have the xp50 lrf. Alot of people don't know about the contrast setting on the pulsar and if left alone you get but decent quality visual but with tweeking it gets sharp. I also have the thor 4 and not as much need to tweek, just set and go which is nice just with less ability for fine tuning! On that vid he needed to ajust the contrast on pulsar + pulsar exported vids are automatically half the quality of what you see in scope, where ATN has better exported vid quality than what you see in scope (interesting)!

@@garwoodgerdes5585 grt points. I have neither. Super interesting to me.

@@garwoodgerdes5585 my bet is a firmware update could improve the quality of the export although the HD is fine to me.

@@davidcarroll2908 Thank you sir, I am adamant about my firmware! If I didn't have the ATN footage to compare it to I would probably be just fine with it also but don't take that as me prefering ATN because that is the only quality ATN has!

@@davidcarroll2908 When you say HD? Am I missing something? Maybe I am exporting wrong? I just plug my xp50 into laptop, find the files and move them to a folder on my comp then open with vlc or winmedia, either program gives same low quality results. So Is there a way to export with High Def or Higher Def than my low tech way! You have peaked my curiosity.

Order a 54mm flip cover from Amazon. Several manufacturers make them

I thought he sounded like the FPS comrad

Hello my friends, and as always, have nice day!

Definitely was my first thought too lol

ticktock **** thanks for the update, I will annotate that in the video.

Chad B, Here's a tip. If you find your scope off when you were sure you had it on, and it wont turn on. It looks like a flat battery, its not..... Its "frozen dark".......press and hold to crash the hard drive then restart. I just wonder how many times i do this before its totally Knackered. I have to do this at least once every time i use it. One of many issues i constantly have with this scope.... Good Luck!! PS Turning the widgets off reduces some issues.

@@paddymularkey thanks. I haven't set up widgets or really utilized the features, not worriedaboutbluetooth, recording...I just set it up how I like it and shoot with it. What other issues have you experienced? Could be the processor can't handle the load of extra functions?

@@chadb1878 Thats exactly the problem, can you please tell ATN that for me. I havent set mine up, it just crashes for little or no reason. Im lucky i can get it to stay on. Its just a toy, not a tool.

@@paddymularkey First real hunt coming up. No issues yet but I'll let you know. What do you think the best Thermal is? Looking at the FLIR Thermoscope for my next one but doing more research & getting feedback this time...

@@chadb1878 Hi Chad, here in the UK we dont have a lot of options with thermal, Pulsar is our most redily available choice. The ATN is like a cheap toy (not even water proof) compared to the Pulsars, I have the small Pulsar Thermion on an air rifle for rats, makes for great sport and thats leagues in front of the ATN. I have also tried the top spec Thermion 50, Its a great piece of kit (way cheaper too). I need Thermal for my second job as part of a fox control team, This ATN 4-40 is not making me popular, with the driver having to take over the shooting because the scope is having a hissyfit. As i said sorry i even went there, and again ATN customer service is non existent. P.s Have never had to contact Pulsar customer service in 6 years of using Thermal. Sold all my used units on for decent money too.

Funny how the reviewers never mention this fact. I’ve done a lot of research on both brands from people who actually used them and found a lot of stories just like yours.

Hi Terry, I have the Thor4-40, its just a bad joke. Stung badly buying this, it freezes when asked to do anything, even freezes dark, and just looks like a flat battery. RAV doesnt work, never recorded a shot. Dual Wifi, never connected to my phone. Video Freezes scope. only operates with minimum widgets,, extended widgets on scope freezes. 10 minutes to start up and get a settled picture, no joke. I need one of these for work and i will probably have to shell out again for the thermion. I should have gone for the Thermion in the first place. P.S. been back to shop 3 times, told its working, still the same faults when returned. ATN dont want to hear from customers with complaints. I will never e buy ATN again.

@@paddymularkey Not to mention, do your research on ATN, the company. Exporting illegally, eating passports to avoid confiscation by homeland security, showing up in hands of the taliban in afghanistan. How anyone can promote them, regardless of the terrible quality, is beyond me.

OMG half the ftards picked up in the stan had American night vision L3 and ITT were both fined in the last 10yrs. I would laugh if those comments weren’t so sad. Ok back to topic my hunter mkIII was sent in twice in less than a year before I eBayed no one bad mouths them. The ATN 70mm would actually see further targets

@@hvyjetflyer9545 You dont have the faintest clue what you're talking about. They come across L3 and ITT in the field because they get taken off dead afghan or american troops, or stolen from supply dumps, sling blade. But our US troops arent using ATN's $&%* thermal devices. So comparing those two situations is as idiotic as your thermal sensor comparison.

@@hvyjetflyer9545 Nobody is saying ATN is bad because you may have to have work done on it. I've had to send in my Reap IR for work as well. These are digital optics on high recoil rifles. There are going to be issues from time to time. No reasonable person debates that. The difference is how the company works with you when a problem arises. And if you're comparing Trijicon or Pulsar customer service to ATN's, then clearly you've never dealt with ATN's before. Maybe you bought an ATN and had a good experience. Good for you. The odds are still higher you'll have an issue with them than anyone else. Thats just a fact. You dont believe it, I dont care.Call every major thermal dealer in america and ask them. Good luck finding ones that carry atn.

PelenTan I’m glad you caught the Coca Cola/Pepsi clip... as far as your other feedback, I agree with you completely. The only things I think the Thermion has over the ThOR can be added with a firmware update. Just my opinion, but seems like we share that opinion. Thanks for taking the time to watch.

cfunk10 he just needed to nuke the screen to get them off there. Thermals do that when they are on for a extended period of time but they have an internal shutter to flash the screen he never flashed his screen.

yeah, I think his Thermion isn't working right, I can see he's running it in Semi-Automatic shutter mode, maybe he just didn't refresh the screen for a while, looks junk, I've definitely seen it look 100x times better. ATN looks great too though, but this does look biased. From this video I wouldn't want to get Thermion, but I know it's a good scope. I have the entry Pulsar RXQ one and it works great 3 years later...

Thanks for watching!

A solid choice! Enjoy it!

It hasn’t met a FLIR or Nvision yet

@@Johnnyreengo it's internals are FLIR so meeting one won't matter.

Glad you found it helpful!

@@4MRRanch I just returned a Thor4 for a Pulsar. Had nothing but issues and the customer service is terrible.

There wasn’t a noticeable latency on either of these, at least to my eye.

Matthew Debord please try Trijicon IR hunter, best thermal ever

Can't compare the Trijicon...it cost three times as much!

brett black yessir that’s correct

Thanks for watching, unfortunately I no longer have the Thermion to do any more comparisons with, as mentioned in the beginning it was borrowed.

Fred English I have seen feedback on forums that people have had bad experiences with both of these companies in terms of customer service response time. That said, there’s some people who have also had good experiences with both as well.

Wow this comment here❤

I have not but it’s certainly something I plan to test out!

@@4MRRanch That would be great. Looking forward to it!

@@aubreyallen6472 a friend bought the LT and after looking through my thermal hunting hogs one night. He sold his LT and bought a true thermal.

Dude your lucky you have the one that works, could you be so kind as to post every time the screen freezes. Cheers

I'm thankful you pointed that out. I was starting to think that the Thermion was horribly outclassed by the ATN during those side-by-side comparisons. I'll look at some other Thermion videos to see if it experiences the same poor quality hazy artifacts in the darker areas and a crippling inability to pierce through fog, as demonstrated in this video.

Thank you for your detailed insight. This is very good information. I appreciate you taking the time to share your experience with both.

Arnold Olsen thanks for taking the time to watch!

Have one... Nope theyre still full of problems to the point its not fit for purpose, only now the problems are more expensive.

I have been using this ThOR for around 6 months, I will be doing a 6 month follow up video, and I have not had any issues. I also have had great luck with my X Sight 4K Pro.

@@4MRRanch Must be a UK thing , my friend is having similar issues with his 4K Pro.

After this comparison first hand, I decided to continue in using ATN over the Pulsar, so I can't really speak to how the Pulsar does long term, but as you will see by my hunting video uploads, the ATN is doing well for me over time.

That is interesting to know. The ATN has not shown any significant loss on battery life, it still outlasts my patience on all my hunts!

Wow 3800 for a battery eater 😮

rick new thanks for taking the time to watch!

Rod the background shots in this video were not suppressed, just distant and sounded quite just because of where the microphones were located when filming this. It’s hard to say what caliber is quietest as that really relies on the particular suppressor quite a bit.

I have been Looking for someone to help out with some hog hunting, no thermal though , not yet, Santa Might anty up someday. Lol, anyhow im from Michigan , I hunt coyote,bobcat, fox,wolf and beaver , love it... I will be making blankets. , Mittens , and hunting camo ,soon. .if I can help feel free contact me. 6163254597.or timlehnen@yahoo.com. Snapperhead Trapping and Bounty

I live in the Pacific Northwest building a hog rifle. Can I come hog hunting ❤???

I think this video hurt the feelings of a lot of people who were fans of Pulsar. The results are what they are, but keep in mind I had a sample size of one of each optic. I think you’d be happy with either optic, but I personally can’t justify the extra cost of the pulsar. To each their own!

It does now with the most current firmware.

@@4MRRanch can you do a vid on that as it imo is the main selling point of this scope Great vid btw.

Freedom is illegal in Canada lol

Jus Ta no, thermal only but works day or night. The ATN 4K pro has day/night modes but is night vision and not thermal

Then get a newer ATN! That’s not a fair comparison.

@@user-xt7rs8md7p My pulsar is a much older model than my THOR 4. what newer model is there than the THOR 4?

No longer have it loaned to me to give you a follow up, so can’t give you an honest opinion on that.

@@4MRRanch have you had that problem with the Thor 4? Thanks for the reply also.

@@joshradford1989 none whatsoever. I check the zero every few months and make only a minor adjustment, if any. We use this optic to take headshots on hogs all the time without issue.

Pulsar yes, Trijicon not so much, extremely long turn around. 45-60 days.. I got optics planet involved and now have the Pulsar. OP really helped me out.

Winfred Brown Fair enough but that’s not my experience with Trijicon. I own the Triji Accupoint 1x6 and it’s awesome. Last fall during deer season, trekking down the mountain, I dropped the rifle and the scope hit a rock. The impact left a small ding in the windage turret. I called them and they took care of it free of charge and even sent me a shipping ticket. Plus they sent me a bunch of Trijicon swag. That was all within 2 weeks. They fixed it and made it good as new. NO CHARGE

​@@martinidemon . The AccuPower is one of my favorites. Glass competes with anything on the market within reason. Im hoping Santa brings me a Vcog.

Winfred Brown #metoo lol

martinindemon That is a good point, it really is determined by how serious you take your hunting. I hunt with some guys that are just out to f around and get drunk not caring about the kill (ATN users). Then there are the few guys who are serious about numbers (non-ATN users)

A mixture.