Autism And Working|Purple Ella

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Purple Ella

Purple Ella

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Autism and working. My autistic friend who works full time is talking and giving advice about workplace adjustments, disclosure, and the social aspects of work. More below.
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Hi I'm Purple Ella and my family is an autism family with three out of five of us on the autistic spectrum. So life can be a challenge but also a lot of fun.
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@brianarbenz7206
@brianarbenz7206 3 жыл бұрын
I was diagnosed as High Functioning Autistic only last December, at age 61. (You read right, sixty-one!) I live in the United States. Though my main career has been as a journalist for newspapers, magazines and wire services -- something my disability didn't impede at all, and may actually have helped -- much of my working life has been at other jobs where my autism greatly hampered me. When I was in my college years and early '20s, I worked restaurant jobs, and since I left journalism I have worked in an office data center during the last 20 years. Both the pre- and post-journalism periods have been times when I struggled with the many difficulties caused by my non-normal way of processing and reacting to the environment around me. I am a survivor, because there was no diagnosis, therefore I could not use workplace aids for the disabled, or be protected by the Americans With Disabilities Act. It was tough for me, but I feel I have made it. I am so used to devising my own coping methods that I think of myself as better off not having known I was autistic. But that's because I am at the tail end of 40 years of coping alone. For those entering the work world in this era, it is wonderful that you have support and resources! The ADA here in the U.S. has helped us, though court rulings have weakened it Thanks to the disability rights movement and victories in civil rights overall, attitudes on the job are much better here these days toward those who are "different," compared to the bleak days when we would be belittled and taunted in workplaces and classrooms while employers and schools faced no consequences for our mistreatment that made it harder for us to get an education or do our jobs well. Of course, obstacles and narrowmindedness remain. I am delighted Purple Ella is making your advice and others' available through this channel.
@JDMimeTHEFIRST
@JDMimeTHEFIRST 2 жыл бұрын
Nothing has changed. I was bullied out of my last job even after disclosing. There is a huge discrimination problem against autistic people in this country. AND this country's going backwards now, so I doubt it will get better.
@charging7
@charging7 5 жыл бұрын
Here in the U.S., disclosure is not a good idea. You will be scapegoated quickly and let go eventually, probably sooner than later
@walterdavies6434
@walterdavies6434 2 жыл бұрын
i live in the.midwest usa and you are 100 percent correct
@quintensaenz1538
@quintensaenz1538 2 жыл бұрын
same here in texas
@Barb15
@Barb15 2 жыл бұрын
same in South Africa. There's not a lot of understanding of the spectrum.
@JDMimeTHEFIRST
@JDMimeTHEFIRST 2 жыл бұрын
YES. This happened at my last job and I'm filing a complaint, but doubt anything will come of it. I worked at a hospital, so you'd think people would know better.
@lupinewormwood8111
@lupinewormwood8111 Жыл бұрын
o.o Everyone in my workplace knows and is completely supportive. I'm also in Texas.
@jessstuart7495
@jessstuart7495 3 жыл бұрын
If I would have told anyone at my previous workplaces, they would have... 1. Laughed in my face. 2. Told everyone they knew. 3. Used it against me. Electrical Engineering is hard enough. Electrical Engineering being "on the spectrum" is a fcking nightmare.
@traceyannsummers9819
@traceyannsummers9819 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah no way I'd get a job if I'd told my last employees, and won't getting back into work which I have to do.
@JDMimeTHEFIRST
@JDMimeTHEFIRST 2 жыл бұрын
There's also the factor that there are bullies in the workplace who use it against you. It doesn't always help to disclose because of the prejudice against autistic people. I wasn't diagnosed until 35, so I unfortunately chose the wrong profession. Until I can make it as a writer, I'm stuck with it.
@KupcakeKitty
@KupcakeKitty 2 жыл бұрын
1. What can you do if your self-diagnosed? 2. Would like hear from speaker that works in retail or food service. 3. What do you do if your about have melt down, but you have to complete task in front of you? 4. How do you deal with burnout from work and you can’t call off? You can’t deal with masking for 5-9hrs.
@camellia8625
@camellia8625 2 жыл бұрын
Very good questions I hope they are seen by the people making the video
@Jasonnewlook
@Jasonnewlook 3 жыл бұрын
I can't cope with noise I'm very sensitive to noise, I cant be around people eating or drinking, makes me very anxious and destressed, can case me to have a melt down. I've been bullied every job iv had, even after telling my employer my difficultys, I'm currently out of work, im unwell lost all my confidence and feel broken.
@connormcmullen2780
@connormcmullen2780 2 жыл бұрын
Purple Ella I’ve been watching you’re wonderful videos and just to say I think you seem such a lovely kind gentle person, you really understand ASD… keep up the good work thmbs up👍🏻Here is a medal for you🥇
@KatieM786
@KatieM786 6 жыл бұрын
I've been waiting for this video for so long, thank you so much for this Ella and thank you very much to Simon for giving his time to you and your channel and your subscribers. There is lots of advice out there on how to get a job but not so much on how to cope with having a job and maintaining that position. Much love xx PS This would make a great series! 😊
@VanessseXY69
@VanessseXY69 2 жыл бұрын
I agree Katie this would make a good series !
@HANSMKAMP
@HANSMKAMP 4 жыл бұрын
7:45-8:11 In my case my former boss did the adjustments I agreed with from the start, but I considered them as a starting point. Later on, I wanted to make progresses, but my boss disallowed me. The adjustments were: - disallow horizontal communication from colleagues to me; - disallow learning the orgization structure, planning etc; - tasks may not be complex, but should not be divisible in smaller tasks; - multiple tasks may not be given at the same time, but the next step must be given when the first step is completed, although I think it is better to give me more complex tasks, and let me decide how to divide a task in smaller steps; - no progresses. He associates autism with a learning disorder and an intellectual disability. He disallows intelligence tests or ignores them. If I want to talk about the way I am "coached", he says: "You are autistic, so you think differently. This is what happens, and that's it!"; - my current boss says: "You should know more about the organization," but disables steps to get to know more about it; - manipulating; - exposing me to psychosocial workload; - too little work; - gaslighting; - cassandra phenomenon tricks. My current working environment is poisonous and makes me sick.
@simonb9253
@simonb9253 4 жыл бұрын
Hi Hans, I made this video with Ella. I’ve read all your comments, but if you don’t mind I will do one response here. I apologise in advance if I have misunderstood any parts of your comments. I’m sorry that you’re having difficulties with your employer and bosses. Autism is different for each person who has it. It is a neurological condition, just as ADD and dyslexia are too. It’s good that your former boss did consider adjustments from the start, but as you say, adjustments do need reviewing periodically. Sometimes changes need to be made; sometimes they do not. As I was reading, I was wondering if your employer has an HR department or Manager who can help mediate a discussion with your boss. I think it might be worth trying to informally update your adjustments again with them involved. If there is no HR, do you have any friends or colleagues at work who understand your situation and can help advocate? Alternatively, are you a member of a Union? You and your employer might find these documents useful for such discussions, available at enei.org.uk: www.enei.org.uk/media/2663/enei-guide-to-neurodiversity-in-the-work-place-230819-sponosred-by-dyslexia-box.pdf www.enei.org.uk/media/2664/reasonable-adjustments-in-the-workplace.pdf Additionally, to help support your request for more adjustments, I recommend you highlight how it would be beneficial to them. In the UK, we have the 2010 Equality Act, so employers are obliged to support employees with reasonable adjustments. The difficulty is that there is subjectivity on what is considered ‘reasonable’; however, it looks like the adjustments you have asked for are reasonable. Also, it depends whether other countries have similar Acts to compel employers to act appropriately. Secondly, there is a moral element where the organisation can benefit by better reflecting the diversity of its customers through the composition of its workforce. Thirdly, increased diversity in an organisation allows an organisation to perform better - so if you could be allowed to reach your potential, then that is better for your employer. You discussed this element to some extent in your comments. Also, for the list of changes for your adjustments, I would suggest prioritising the ones you need the most, with a brief description of why these will help you do your work. If you prepare your request in such a way, it can put you in a stronger position. Especially when, in comparison, it sounds like your boss is dismissing your requests without justification. If you do go ahead in making a legal claim, please be mindful that this could potentially be a stressful experience. I hope this is of some help? Best wishes for the remainder of your course, and future employment.
@taylorbee4010
@taylorbee4010 2 жыл бұрын
Me because autism is learning disability people often think I'm dumb because I don't pick up things quickly but they don't understand is I just have to hit my head against a wall enough till I figure it out. It's a learning disability I'm not stupid.
@ButterflyonStone
@ButterflyonStone Жыл бұрын
Autism isn't a learning disability. You can have autism with or without a learning disability. It can co-occur but Autism itself isn't a learning disability. Also learning disabilities and learning difficulties are not the same. One refers to the inability to learn or acquire skills and the other to finding the process difficult. Autism is a neurodevelopmental difference primarily relating to the ability to manage social communication and interaction, plus limited or narrow interests, difficulties with adaptation to change, unexpected situations and repetitive behaviours. - Qualified clinician and an autistic person.
@camellia8625
@camellia8625 Жыл бұрын
?? Do you need to be assessed for executive function difficulties and possible specific learning impairments such as dyspraxia
@Ghiblinutz
@Ghiblinutz 6 жыл бұрын
Some great ideas mentioned, I'm about to change jobs from mainly WFH to 5 days "in the office" so some good things to think about. I think board games, much like the usual office environment, are often about planning your next move / task, so conversation can be "just enough" rather than your focus. Thanks for sharing.
@kenderareawesome
@kenderareawesome 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this. Recently started an office job after a long stint of more manual jobs and its a struggle.
@132allie
@132allie Жыл бұрын
I think it helps knowing that we are a bit different and at least we have the answer why. I don’t think disclosure is necessary, but picking a job we know we would be good at and able to handle is. We know our limitations and we shouldn’t take jobs that are too far out of our capabilities. I don’t think our employer or colleagues need to know. They’ll probably just think we’re a bit “funny” which is fine by me.
@Rene-uz3eb
@Rene-uz3eb 2 жыл бұрын
No need to disclose in IT, most engineers are introverts, have their own time schedules, quirky etc. Very little socializing takes place.
@kajielin4354
@kajielin4354 2 жыл бұрын
This might be strange, but I prefer just meeting people to talk and hang out instead of boardgames. I have some protocolls to handle "pub talk" situations, but when playing boardgames especially with people I don't know intimately well, it is way harder for me to know how serious I should take the game, how much we should talk during playing, and worst of all I'll have to learn the rules beforehand.
@motionmuse5684
@motionmuse5684 Жыл бұрын
I think my new Boss is on the Spectrum. He relies heavily, very heavily on me for executive functioning and as a result I'm burned out. It's only been a month lol, I'm fried. I no longer feel like myself nor capable of providing customer service because I'm mentally exhausted from all the rapid toggling, constant interrupting, chas really and feel my brain is being used that I don't have any brain power left for myself. I am absolutely exhausted everyday from leaving there a frazzled ball of stress. I need to leave but kind of too tired to even go search for something else.
@camellia8625
@camellia8625 Жыл бұрын
Interesting perspective- sounds like he needs his own supports in place through a programme like Access to Work.
@Aiken47
@Aiken47 3 жыл бұрын
I’m in IT, I love writing process doco. I’m the one guaranteed to be the one to misread something ambiguous so it helps I wrote it then get it peer reviewed
@lv9265
@lv9265 2 жыл бұрын
Hey, I didn't understand your comment but got curious. What is it that you do as a job?
@bloodknight7420
@bloodknight7420 2 жыл бұрын
Hey that’s awesome you found a job in IT
@HANSMKAMP
@HANSMKAMP 4 жыл бұрын
11:23-11:46 I can't discuss this with my boss. My previous boss has set up some rules, "adjustments" and there is no way to change it. "These are your adjustments." There are no progressions, and my boss disallows that. If I improve I would work way better, and I would become a real threat to my boss and some other colleagues. I would cost my boss a lot of money. I blame my boss inefficiency. Her way of working is inefficient from time to time, which bothers me. A few weeks ago I did a task that was extremely inefficient. It took 8 hours. When it were performed more efficiently, it would have taken about 2 or 3 hours.
@Kevin-se1oe
@Kevin-se1oe 2 жыл бұрын
Recently seeking an autism diagnosis for myself, but struggling to get a job.
@taylorbee4010
@taylorbee4010 2 жыл бұрын
I often disclose right down my disability in the application it's like they don't pay attention to it
@lucylincoln3285
@lucylincoln3285 2 жыл бұрын
Late diagnosis and never held a legitimate job for more than a year.
@PSG81
@PSG81 2 жыл бұрын
Even after diagnosis and I still can't
@lysagreen2314
@lysagreen2314 4 жыл бұрын
I work as a carer for people with developmental/intellectual disabilities. I was only diagnosed December 2019 at age 59. I have only told my Home Manager, and her supervisor (Residential Manager). As it happens, I have worked the night shift by myself, so it is calm, quiet, and not brightly lit. I have been working for 13 years, and do not require any accommodations. Thankfully, no one treats me any differently in our home. The only time I have difficulty is if I have to work the day shift because of people constantly talking, noise, light, or taking our people supported out into the community. My home manager knows to leave me a post it note if I need to do anything out of the ordinary.
@Bishr2038
@Bishr2038 3 жыл бұрын
Can you provide your friend's contact information in case we want to follow him? I admire him so much and would love to follow him on Social Media. . And thank you so much for making this video with him
@VanessseXY69
@VanessseXY69 2 жыл бұрын
Hi Ella and Simon. Question for Simon: Just thinking about it makes me overwhelmed and feel sick lol but I think many autistic person probably struggle with interviews. Could you make a video all about it and talk about if its better to mention your autism diagnosis or not at that point and also how to not overshare during an interview, how to manage that amount of anxiety and what you can say if you realize you were not listening to the interviewer for a minute. How not to go in panic mode ? Ella : I I have a video subject suggestion related to work/income since I heard you in one video saying 80% of autistic don't work and I totally relate to that. I recently discovered ''online affiliate marketing'' which I know you know about and I thought that autism people could benefit to be explained what it is because with that we can build an income based on our special interest completely from home and many of us are specialist of special interests. I know a bit about it so if you want help let me know ! Thank you both you are awesome and it was a really great video like always very helpful.
@hllyenaylleth9576
@hllyenaylleth9576 2 жыл бұрын
No one might have read this.
@caitlinmorrisey
@caitlinmorrisey Жыл бұрын
Hi Simon, I'm starting my first ever job on Tuesday at a dog grooming place. There's 2 other ladies there, one is the boss and the other is an employee who also has autism and adhd like me. I was just wondering, because the dog grooming place gets really busy and the 2 ladies eat when they can, I was just wondering how I should go about asking my employer for a 30 minute lunch break?
@matthewsnowdon8530
@matthewsnowdon8530 3 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately I haven’t currently been able to get any paid work Mainly due to my learning disability my c.v constantly just gets turned down I have quite serious dyscalculia and dyslexia so I don’t actually have any gcses and I haven’t sat one Im currently attempting to get gcse maths and English equivalents but I honestly don’t know if i ever will I’ve spent 21 years now trying. Its really starting to become pretty pointless
@artisticafflair408
@artisticafflair408 3 жыл бұрын
How do I and can I support my fiance? I feel hopeless 😭. Worthless and don't want him stressing, having the burden of all financial responsibilities. I know that wouldnt make him happy, I also would love to feel responsible. I don't. I am only staying on at university because it gives me an income, not because I am happy there. I struggled getting jobs all my life and I know why now. And it is harder knowing in a way because you feel you want these things you see others have but really really struggle with having them yourself, how and why? Why isn't the world catered to autistic people? Why the hell are we excluded in some ways from society still? We may as well still be in institutions. I have never had the right support/help/understanding. I was diagnosed a year ago at 29. That hasn't made things easier, finding work is still a struggle but I believe it's easier for men to find a job anyway. What can I do? I feel useless. I shouldn't. 😭.
@VanessseXY69
@VanessseXY69 2 жыл бұрын
Hi Cinnamon, I am sorry you are so struggling with that I feel for you. I have discovered Online affiliate marketing and I feel like the potential is infinite and totally and easily adaptable to autistic people. I am still learning about it but I know basically how it works. I suggest you google it. If you try it please start this as a hobby with no expectations it can become quite overwhelming in my case because I have absolutely no organization skills anymore. But it is motivating me into learning those skills anyway. Hope this helps you or give you some ideas. Remember to do self-care things for you !
@VanessseXY69
@VanessseXY69 2 жыл бұрын
Also note that it seems very hard and impossible if you listen to what youtubers (mostly scammers) say about it but there is some simple and completely free ways of doing it.
@lv9265
@lv9265 2 жыл бұрын
I'm sorry that you feel this way. I'm the same and I relate so much! 😭 I feel so helpless.
@quintensaenz1538
@quintensaenz1538 2 жыл бұрын
me too... every time i hit the 6-8 month mark on my new jobs after taking a break from working for however long (at least a month) i just get right back to it. its a really horrid cycle and im tired of living in it but have no idea how to get out
@GemmasJourneyGrace
@GemmasJourneyGrace 6 жыл бұрын
This is a very good video topic Ella. I’ve applied for so many jobs and never hear anything back. I always put that I’m Autistic in the medical declaration because I feel I should. How could I make things easier for employers to take me on a trial ?
@KatieM786
@KatieM786 6 жыл бұрын
Gemma Grace I never disclose in the interview process, it's just my preference to do it that way (I tick the box for 'prefer not to say'). I bring it up once I've got the job and not prior to. Before I was diagnosed with ASD I was misdiagnosed with a mental health condition and I never declared that in advance either.
@camellia8625
@camellia8625 Жыл бұрын
Only works not disclosing if you are very good at being neurotypical passing and can maintain that indefinitely
@Dayglodaydreams
@Dayglodaydreams Жыл бұрын
You work at home with your dog? You're quite privileged. I am a non-union janitor, and autistic.
@missiv5810
@missiv5810 2 жыл бұрын
I really wanted to hear this, but seems to be recorded using only the mic in the camera? I turned the sound to highest volume but because of the loud background noice I could not concentrate. I love your videos!
@PSG81
@PSG81 2 жыл бұрын
You can use the Subtitles if that helps. Press the cc button on the screen top right corner
@HANSMKAMP
@HANSMKAMP 4 жыл бұрын
9:12-9:28 The verbal instructions are way to tiny. They give me a little instruction. I complete it. Then they give me another little instruction. I complete it. Then another little instruction. I keep on walking between my boss's office and my own office. It takes a lot of time. Why doesn't my boss give me a more complex instruction and write it down on paper or send me an e-mail? Sometimes I have memory issues when an instruction is complex or is given by three persons subsequently. My former boss wanted to remember everything. He doesn't require other colleagues remember them. First I think it is an autistic memory issue. But I also know that my intellectual skills are very good, so it is an attempt to gaslight me.My boss requires/required skills from me that he/she didn't require from other colleagues. Autism on my workplace is considered as an intellectual issue, and I am treated like that. I am treated as someone with slow learning abilities, slow information processing, intellectually disabled. 9:59 The same to me, but I think it is better when I know several organizational things so that I can do tasks without being asked. That is: according to the planning for this schoolyear this and that is happening. That means that this and that must be done, and this and that is my part. Keeping the organization secret to me, and give me little tasks, prevents me to advance. I told my boss, and she says: "I can't do anything about it. Deal with it." I disagree, but she repeats that she can't do anything about it.
@laurainrevison1162
@laurainrevison1162 2 ай бұрын
If you work for an employer that doesn't give a shit if you are sick, why would they not discriminate for your condition? The US is not kind to people in general. Look up the FMLA laws and if you are actually paid in the US. It's up there with being gay or trans. People still do not like it and will discriminate.
@calvinhumphries9595
@calvinhumphries9595 Жыл бұрын
I'm lucky that I am: - a) A certified teacher (holding a PGCE), as this affords me a level of respect in my workplace and industry. b) Working for a non-profit organisation, as this means that most people around me are more inclined to be socially liberal in their politics and then the charity also has to be disability positive to maintain their "Green Tick" status as an Equal Opps Champion with civic authorities. c) At a stage in my career where my boss and colleagues view me as somewhat an authority figure on my job role and thus tend to defer to my judgement. d) Considered to be the God of any digital support session I am running, in that I am an IT teacher and nobody else is ergo I am the "Master". e) Well thought of in the non-profit NGO industry in my local area, having strong links to several major organisations (including civic authorities, such as my local county council's department of ault social care). f) The kind of person that just doesn't give a damned what those around me think, as I know my intrinsic worth is high and is defined as high by me. However, for those who are not as fortunate as me ... Do what is right for you, because you gotta look to yourself! But do look at trying to get work in the non-profit sector and then find a key niche in the organisations, as these types of companies tend to be more understanding where diversity is concerned!
@camellia8625
@camellia8625 Жыл бұрын
Very true about finding an organisation with the right culture in the first place
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