Pushing These Secure High Frequency Radios To The Limit!

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Ringway Manchester

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Жыл бұрын

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@myballwilson
@myballwilson Жыл бұрын
Love your creativity and research!
@myballwilson
@myballwilson Жыл бұрын
I think you invented the "ham radio tourism" industry. I'll check out some of those sights and towers next visit I have to the UK.
@RingwayManchester
@RingwayManchester Жыл бұрын
Thank you so so so much! You’re too kind. I really appreciate that!
@Jody_VE5SAR
@Jody_VE5SAR Жыл бұрын
I've pushed the DTR650's (900MHz @ 1W) out to just over 14km. But more important to my application through 18 stories of a concrete building, well into underground parking garage. That's with the add-on longer antennas, not the stubby antennas that they ship with. They've been a very good radio for our building emergency team.
@thejoneseys
@thejoneseys Жыл бұрын
Be interesting to see how these perform in a city or suburb. Fabulous audio quality 👌🏻
@smd-tech
@smd-tech Жыл бұрын
Surprising outcome, i would like to see these tested in a built up area, always looking for better performance on building sites.
@radiosification
@radiosification Жыл бұрын
They don't work at all well in a built up area. I have the same radios. At ground level I left one at home and walked 2 minutes up the road and it already stopped working. The higher the frequency the more it is blocked by obstructions. With mostly line of sight I got a decent range. I can't remember exactly what it was now but I posted a range test video.
@dare-er7sw
@dare-er7sw Жыл бұрын
@@radiosification It's then worse than 400-470MHz radios. What frequency is it using, 1-2.4GHz?
@radiosification
@radiosification Жыл бұрын
@@dare-er7sw yes, much worse than 400MHz band radios for getting through obstructions. They're using 2.4GHz.
@dare-er7sw
@dare-er7sw Жыл бұрын
@@radiosification HaHa, 2.4GHz is WiFi territory. Too bad. There are small VHF/UHF 1-2W analog transceiver modules available, one can easily build a homebrewed walkie talkie with privacy by adding a 40KHz subcarrier and modulating the subcarrier with FM voice.
@0eroOverride
@0eroOverride Жыл бұрын
Remember… the higher.. as in legitimately higher than were used to frequencies like above 5-6ghz are blocked more by buildings. WHEN. Will people learn that lower frequencies go through buildings better lol if you want good range, get a good 900mhz model lol or a lesser used band. Those 2.4ghz antennas are near the Wi-Fi bands so you want to avoid. Same with 5 and 6. Look for odd frequency bands
@sgta
@sgta Жыл бұрын
I imagine these would work fairly well in a fixed installation LoS scenario with just a pair of cheap old 2nd hand Wi-Fi Yagi antennae. Or perhaps even better with parabolic grids or solid dishes.
@jonfr
@jonfr Жыл бұрын
I can't find this on Amazon. But it might be possible to buy them somewhere. The range at 2,4Ghz is quite large with the right hardware. I am often seeing under the right conditions WLAN points that are up to 5 km distance from me.
@sampleheed
@sampleheed Жыл бұрын
I have been following Andy‘s channel for a while now and have also been watching quite a few of your videos I particularly enjoyed your recent video about all the different antennas aerials and dishes attached to the tall transmission tower I have often wondered what all those devices were about and I have also enjoyed all your videos about the early days of UK pirate radio, good stuff mate keep it up
@baronedipiemonte3990
@baronedipiemonte3990 Жыл бұрын
I've seen these Motorola Gigahertz radios several years ago. The only ones available in the U.S. are in the 902-928mhz ISM band, 1 watt. Several models ranging from 1 channel to 50 or more. I still have a pair of the old TriSquare 900 radios and got excellent range, better than GMRS at 4 watts
@blankreganon5395
@blankreganon5395 4 ай бұрын
I also had 4 of the Trisquare radios. They were great but I had two problems with them. First, they went through batteries quickly. The second problem was if you had three or more on the same channel, they wouldn't stay synced.
@BenJefferyCanada
@BenJefferyCanada Жыл бұрын
It's strange that the 900mhz varient available in North America is a full watt but these are only 100mw, it would be very interesting to see the range possible in 2.4 with more power
@RINNTY
@RINNTY Жыл бұрын
I love your test of these radios. Amazing test with such low power on a very high frequency. Great Job,l Love to see tests of different radios and bands I some times do myself. Thanks for the Video.
@andykirby
@andykirby Жыл бұрын
Oh it's ON!!!😜
@Phil-M0KPH
@Phil-M0KPH Жыл бұрын
Very good results. Looking forward to an even greater distance test.
@boilerroombob
@boilerroombob Жыл бұрын
Nice video Lewis good to see you operate on 2.4 ghz
@tihspidtherekciltilc5469
@tihspidtherekciltilc5469 Жыл бұрын
Funny story about Motorola radios. I was assigned one with a bad battery which almost started a prison escape protocol with me being the escapee. As a loner type it was nice knowing I had a bunch of people rooting for me but I was short time, 16 months, and more importantly I was clean and never trusted a doctor again.
@jasongreene303
@jasongreene303 Жыл бұрын
Great video, thanks for putting it up. It has similar audio as DMR, so not bad on that point. Can you use more than one HT at a time? I am disappointed that you used 'high frequency' in the title, this made me (and many others I'm sure) think this was a solution on the actual HF band.
@jack12494
@jack12494 Жыл бұрын
Ringway Manchester I love your video so much keep up the good work
@radiosification
@radiosification Жыл бұрын
Another good video Lewis. They're very fun radios to play with those ones.
@RingwayManchester
@RingwayManchester Жыл бұрын
Great to hear from you Ben
@bulldogbrower6732
@bulldogbrower6732 Жыл бұрын
Great Lewis, can’t wait to see these used in wooded areas.
@simonwinwood
@simonwinwood Жыл бұрын
❤ thank you. love your content.
@G4KDXlive
@G4KDXlive 11 ай бұрын
It might be interesting to try a two way from Burnley to Wards Stone south of Lancaster - but Wards Stone is a heck of a climb!
@6643bear
@6643bear Жыл бұрын
Great video Lewis , very interesting what you can do with these on right conditions and set up . Regards mark
@arthurtwoshedsjackson6266
@arthurtwoshedsjackson6266 Жыл бұрын
When you coming back on the radio ??
@bulldogbrower6732
@bulldogbrower6732 Жыл бұрын
By the way Lewis, we have a lot of movies over here about Sherwood Forest, if you’re going to do a test in a wooded area, most of us are familiar with this one. Thanks again for all you do.
@carlashby6174
@carlashby6174 Жыл бұрын
Amazing range for the frequency hopping in use etc,quality Lewis.
@tonyjohnson8001
@tonyjohnson8001 Жыл бұрын
have you got an OFCOM simple business license? you can use 5w and encrypted DMR, Anytone 878 offer AES256 but from 32 preelected keys from memory. I wonder if someone could edit the hex and select their own encryption key 🤔 The Anytone 578 mobile unit can track the handhelds bearing and distance from the APRS (also does crossband repeat and can cross channel repeat on DMR with a different talk group) so it would create an interesting extended encrypted network Expensive experiment but interesting!
@blankreganon5395
@blankreganon5395 Жыл бұрын
This is the first time that I have heard these radios. Thanks for the video My wife and I are using the Retevis RT10 900 MHz ISM here in the US. They are great radios for short range secure (as secure as you can be using radios). They don't do FHSS but they are DMR with encryption.
@yoseifmichael9058
@yoseifmichael9058 4 ай бұрын
@blankreganon5395 do you need a license to use?
@blankreganon5395
@blankreganon5395 4 ай бұрын
No license is required for ISM. They are limited to 1 watt. Amateur Radio shares these frequencies on a secondary basis. If you go over the 1 watt limit, you need to have a ham license.
@tech-rich
@tech-rich Жыл бұрын
Interesting test. Look forward to seeing more on these.
@pasjeihobby
@pasjeihobby Жыл бұрын
Amazing results 😲
@islaws4589
@islaws4589 Жыл бұрын
I pedalled up that hill from Burnley last month Lewis, a lovely spot, although your video didn't capture the noise from the pipes!
@DARTHDANSAN
@DARTHDANSAN Жыл бұрын
Thanks . Watching with my UV5R in my hand
@Povilaz
@Povilaz Жыл бұрын
Very interesting!
@pulsar9716
@pulsar9716 Жыл бұрын
Military aircraft have something similar they call it Have quick
@mindblast3901
@mindblast3901 Жыл бұрын
Good video Lewis Grid Antenna would be good 2.4GHZ I use for wifi
@bassangler73
@bassangler73 11 ай бұрын
Nice job!!
@sarkybugger5009
@sarkybugger5009 Жыл бұрын
My daughter told me some years ago that she could sometimes keep hold of my home wifi signal on the bus to school, for up to about 3/4 of a mile. Line of sight makes all the difference, and it's a dead straight road from here to her school.
@mikiex
@mikiex Жыл бұрын
The voice encoding has that distinctive LPC (Linear Predictive Coding) sound to it.
@sandwich2473
@sandwich2473 Жыл бұрын
I've got line of sight to my parents' house which is about a kilometre or so away If I ever get a hold of a pair of these, it would be a fun project to set something up
@ElexGamingLifeSafetyGuy
@ElexGamingLifeSafetyGuy Жыл бұрын
Personally I have the Motorola DTR 650, 550, and 410 and they work great around the city! I can get about 1.5 - 2 miles around a dense suburban city here in California. I often hear a lot of businesses and warehouses use these radios. I haven't seen how far I can push my radios in my area but for sure it's way better than FRS radios in the U.S. compared to these license free digital radios
@WiggyVideos13
@WiggyVideos13 Жыл бұрын
Another great vid and good luck to the winner haha... Andy's going up the Shard to get a little bit higher 😁
@MattyEngland
@MattyEngland Жыл бұрын
1-9 for a rig check 👍
@spig021
@spig021 Жыл бұрын
I had a pair of these about 15 years ago. Great functionality. Unfortunately they only managed a few hundred metres in a built up area with the standard antenna, so I got rid.
@joeblow8593
@joeblow8593 Жыл бұрын
Interesting demo
@james-5560
@james-5560 Жыл бұрын
Love this theme :)
@danielmuriuki5817
@danielmuriuki5817 Жыл бұрын
when using the radio,do you use by the line of sight ,then how do you manage to overcome microwave and other equipment that use 2.4Ghz
@oliverw.douglas285
@oliverw.douglas285 Жыл бұрын
I wonder what type of repeater could be made, utilizing a pair of these with different talk groups, linking the audio or talk path between the two units, and utilizing ISM Antennas with some gain? Ideally, you'd need 4 radios, with two 'earmarked' for the repeater. Obviously, some type of controller board would be necessary, in order to provide the interconnect between the two units, but I could see this extending the units range considerably. Add a Telco connection, for remote access. These would make good, secure control links as well.
@oliverw.douglas285
@oliverw.douglas285 Жыл бұрын
@@cappicturesinc.4597 I'm glad to see there is a commercial solution. Although, at that price, I'm almost thinking the interface & two radios would be cheaper.
@cappicturesinc.4597
@cappicturesinc.4597 Жыл бұрын
@@oliverw.douglas285 For sure, it just seems like a lot of work.
@oliverw.douglas285
@oliverw.douglas285 Жыл бұрын
@@cappicturesinc.4597 Since I have limited hands-on experience with these radios, I'm speaking from more of a conceptual perspective. Theoretically, they could probably be interfaced through a very basic bi-directional repeater controller, which cross-connects receive audio from one radio, to transmit audio of the other. Obviously, the audio levels would have to be set to proper levels, to avoid overdriving or clipping. Beyond that, some sort of carrier-on or active channel detection would need to be brought out of each radio, along with the PTT or Push-To-Talk, to activate the respective transmitter, at the appropriate time. I apologize if I made it overly complicated. If the necessary connections from each radio, could be brought-out, & made accessible, I think a basic repeater could be made, utilizing two separate talk groups, with two 'donor' radios for the repeater. I think it would be an interesting experiment either way. :)
@cappicturesinc.4597
@cappicturesinc.4597 Жыл бұрын
@@oliverw.douglas285 Ah I see, that could defiantly work. Don't worry about it, sometimes thinks need to be explained that way :)
@rhyoliteaquacade
@rhyoliteaquacade Жыл бұрын
The speaker mike audio is pretty tinny. Better from just the radio itself.
@christophersmith1155
@christophersmith1155 Жыл бұрын
looks like a great place to test PMR.
@DARTHDANSAN
@DARTHDANSAN Жыл бұрын
Nice
@Ross13ful
@Ross13ful Жыл бұрын
Great Video so an sdr of any kind with the right software can’t pick up the transmission from one of these radios ?
@RingwayManchester
@RingwayManchester Жыл бұрын
That’s correct
@jointercz
@jointercz Жыл бұрын
I am wondering if there is something I can use as replacement for a DECT phone, if I have IP WiFi available? They are mostly used as family intercom. Some wifi SIP phone and make local Asterisk server? Is there something more simple? Like DECT but over IP or something?
@egockpoland
@egockpoland Жыл бұрын
It is security by obscurity and by using uncommon technology. There is no encryption. As much as I understand - this makes your communication much private and much secure (but not fully), and still remain legal. Nice! Motorola support AES encryption in DMR, in my opinion this only one fully secure, common solution (AFAIK - also Anytone DMR radios support AES), but in many country there is problem with using encryption fully legal, even with ham license.
@ThePassiton
@ThePassiton Жыл бұрын
I wonder how long range you could do using for example a 1.2m sat dish and a helix on each end.
@amojak
@amojak Жыл бұрын
2.4 ghz will travel as far as the curve of the earth will allow, the issue you may hit is timing, they are TDMA and the increases RTT delay may cause them to stop working.
@FNUKSTER1366
@FNUKSTER1366 Жыл бұрын
Great video Lewis and Andy kirby content.. Lock down your aerial , you're listening to the streets . Illegal pirate material lol
@QUADBOYification
@QUADBOYification Жыл бұрын
Imagine what 0.5 Watts would do or even 4 Watts? You could be talking to someone across the channel.
@mickd6942
@mickd6942 Жыл бұрын
2.4 gig frequency hopping ( spread spectrum ) sounds like a more powerful version of the army personal roll radios .
@M5AXA
@M5AXA Жыл бұрын
Oh No, Roydon must have had to changed his callsign from M0VHF as part of his on going rehabilitation and recovery from radio addiction !🤣At least he has progressed in his recovery.
@wisteela
@wisteela Жыл бұрын
Excellent 73 M7TUD
@stevegandalf4739
@stevegandalf4739 Жыл бұрын
Are you sure it's legal to use the antenna shown at 2:10 ?
@gamlemann53
@gamlemann53 Жыл бұрын
How would this radios work if you had 1W or 5W output? About a 70Mhz range? Love you and Andy's vid's!!!! The best from LB1NH in Oslo! 🙂
@joczo97
@joczo97 Жыл бұрын
No way it would be comperable,2.4GHz is more or less los in any real distance.whereas 70MHz is "almost" like CB/28MHz,propagates really well even beyond los. And we haven't mentioned Es yet.
@Macmonkey1000
@Macmonkey1000 Жыл бұрын
@@joczo97 Yep, there's a reason these frequencies are used in microwave ovens, they tend to turn to thermal energy upon contact with 'stuff'. Up to 450Mhz works ok, penetrates objects and can propagate beyond raised terrain reasonably well. 🙂
@paulsengupta971
@paulsengupta971 Жыл бұрын
@@joczo97 "E"s are good, "E"s are good...
@bassangler73
@bassangler73 Жыл бұрын
👍
@Chiavaccio
@Chiavaccio Жыл бұрын
👏👏👏👏👏
@user-mt1og8pi6f
@user-mt1og8pi6f Жыл бұрын
TriSquare also had FHSS 2way radios on sale across the USA and were fairly cheap but the technology was secure. Sadly they went out of business in 2012. They were cheap, on the GMRS 900Mhz frequency so no licence needed. Downside they couldn't 'talk' to any other radios.
@MoViesDProductions
@MoViesDProductions Жыл бұрын
Those things were pretty cool for what they were. AFAIK they used plain analog modulation combined with relatively slow FHSS (both unlike these Motorolas), so listening in probably wouldn't be that hard if you know what you're doing. There's a video on YT of someone doing so using Optoelectronics gear. Still a lot harder than plain old FRS/PMR446, though.
@crazynuggets8935
@crazynuggets8935 Жыл бұрын
Hi I'm looking for some help, Can you go anytime you wanted to reach out to people or is it preferred to only do it at 8pm on a Sunday. Sorry if it sounds like a silly question I'm new to this. Also do I have to do anything specific or do I literally just go onto channel 8. I have the RB615 and RB617.
@RingwayManchester
@RingwayManchester Жыл бұрын
Whenever you want mate :)
@crazynuggets8935
@crazynuggets8935 Жыл бұрын
@@RingwayManchester I'm from Oldham so I'll try up on werneth low you seem to reach a few people up that way.
@RingwayManchester
@RingwayManchester Жыл бұрын
Drop me an email, we can get on the air sometime for a test. Ringwaymanchester@mail.com
@gprivat812_my_selection6
@gprivat812_my_selection6 Жыл бұрын
👍👍❗❗
@drahtfunker
@drahtfunker Жыл бұрын
Does anybody know another handheld radio for 2.4 GHz? Couldn't find any.
@stanleybest8833
@stanleybest8833 Жыл бұрын
It's a shame england doesn't have the same radios the rest of the world has. I got 300+ miles between 2 Uniden Pro 520 CB radios. One, a land 1/4 wave homemade wire, and one, a marine whip on a sailboat. 1/4 watt FRS radios? 7 miles ground to mobile radio shack units.
@rawcado
@rawcado Жыл бұрын
Is that strictly line of sight, mountain to mountain top?
@stanleybest8833
@stanleybest8833 Жыл бұрын
@@rawcado Almost, in the case of FRS radios. The higher the frequency, the less the wavelength will bend or penetrate foliage.
@yoseifmichael9058
@yoseifmichael9058 4 ай бұрын
Do you need a license to use in USA?
@darkokelava4754
@darkokelava4754 Жыл бұрын
Hei, I wonder if Dji can make a communication radio one day. I fly drones and there wifi signal has a range of over 3 km with video, flight data, battery info and gps. And that's European mode. On American KZfaq videos, I see that they manage 10 km regularly. Imagine if they wanted to make radio?
@jplacido9999
@jplacido9999 Жыл бұрын
That range is line of sight. Any radio will do 100km or more with line of sight
@darkokelava4754
@darkokelava4754 Жыл бұрын
@@jplacido9999 yes, just like in the video, 100mw 2km
@jplacido9999
@jplacido9999 Жыл бұрын
@@darkokelava4754 if you test a regular pmr446 or FRS portable, they will do dozens and even hundreds of Km once their have perfect line of sight... Only when propagation is particularly bad the range will be less.
@JDWatkins
@JDWatkins Жыл бұрын
They are some cool little radios. I am not so sure I am a fan of the compression they are using though.
@DukeofEarl1961
@DukeofEarl1961 Жыл бұрын
Does this radio interfere with home Wi-Fi? My Mum and Dad used to lose Wi-Fi every weekday at around 17:00. Turns out it was the chap next door getting home and putting his meal in the microwave!
@RingwayManchester
@RingwayManchester Жыл бұрын
No more than any other wireless router would
@bdblazer6400
@bdblazer6400 Жыл бұрын
What about having 2 laptop and wlan routers and hosting a teamspeak server
@RingwayManchester
@RingwayManchester Жыл бұрын
What about it
@raytaylornz
@raytaylornz Жыл бұрын
2.4ghz is like the worst band to be using portable radios on. I dont know what motorola were thinking. Anyhow if you use a pair of parabolic dishes you should be able to get 10kms easily. Remember to keep the antenna cable between the radio and the dish short as you loose a lot of signal over a few metres of coax cable at 2.4ghz.
@tazone99
@tazone99 Жыл бұрын
How about gmrs radios
@BeatboxNorwich
@BeatboxNorwich Жыл бұрын
Lewis knows! Separate mic so you ain't holding microwave oven frequencies next to your head
@gearlab734
@gearlab734 Жыл бұрын
2.4ghz, that's very short radio waves which are good for urban areas, a similar frequency to mobile phones I believe.
@tedmosby9409
@tedmosby9409 Жыл бұрын
If you can get a alfa on there my yagi should and I have multiple alfa networks that are not as good in comparison
@thelimatheou
@thelimatheou Жыл бұрын
Any commercially available system isn't really secure ;)
@TheSillyshyguy
@TheSillyshyguy Жыл бұрын
Andy's a great guy but he's No Ringway Manchester :) Just teasing Andy!
@andykirby
@andykirby Жыл бұрын
👀
@londoninhd4430
@londoninhd4430 Жыл бұрын
What are the radios that dmo deejay uses? he said they can be used worldwide. or was he just chatting shit
@jplacido9999
@jplacido9999 Жыл бұрын
Horrible audio
@k1jberry
@k1jberry Жыл бұрын
uh-oh M3's cant use the 13cm band!!
@RingwayManchester
@RingwayManchester Жыл бұрын
Uh-oh these are licence exempt. Come on, do your homework before posting silly comments…
@k1jberry
@k1jberry Жыл бұрын
@@RingwayManchester is is what happens when my uncle uses my KZfaq lol, Apologies Lewis. I SHALL CORRECT HIM. Typical G stations 🙂
@RingwayManchester
@RingwayManchester Жыл бұрын
Ok 👍🏻 😂
@RSCOZZY
@RSCOZZY Жыл бұрын
What's the point in these radios... Or am I missing something? 🤔
@paulsengupta971
@paulsengupta971 Жыл бұрын
I guess it's for people to talk to each other?
@wam2610
@wam2610 Жыл бұрын
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