I respect your personal opinion, but if you want to do more. Try maybe in a more objective way. Rate each weapon in different categories like damage, burst potentiel, survivabilty etc etc. Instead of an overall score focus on each category and choose the best weapons for survivability etc. Then maybe make an average of all categorys and see where each weapon end up, just for fun 😀

can u do another one of these after expansion launc?

That's very true! I think this mainly focused on War META since that is our most competitive form of PvP.

There are perma CC builds, but most of them can be easy to get out of or dodge. What I will say is maybe it could move to B, but this weapon is not really in the PVP war meta at all because it takes awhile to setup one target and lacks significant burst.

@@LemoniGames I think SnS + Great Axe is also an deadly combo, because if played well, they can easily catch up everyone, in a war maybe B tier then, but it depends, playing sns is either baiting people, kiting, perma blocking, perma cc but in the end its hard to counter them while playing with fire staff build Now look what fire staff have, like you said, it have nothing special, bow is better in any situation. The one mobility skill, Burnout - it feels like it takes a second to cast this skill, after casting character also is "freezed" for a sec or so, so its still poor mobility compared to melee guys and you need to spam dodges to get out. Light and heavy attacks slows you down and makes you easier target to focus from range projectiles. Also no stun with fire staff, no any other cc, no determination mostly while using fire staff, so people can easily interrupt you when you want to cast burnout and eating that damage What burnout should have is determination after cast, to have immovability to CC for a brief time, this 1 sec cast should be deleted to make it instant after use, not like a cast time skill and maybe an aoe stun or root after use, then I would put Fire Staff into a B tier maybe

@@MrKaniu47 The only thing with Fire Staff is that it can easily ME stack, and flamethrower is busted haha! But still a valid point. Many Fire Staff players don't use burnout. It is definitely overshadowed, but it has AoE and burst. SnS is great for CC and mobility. But you lock down one target, you have long cooldowns, then nothing else. GA or GS are great pairings, but the weapon itself is kinda meh.

This is fair--I think PvP mostly focuses upon War in the sense of META since it is the only real competitive mode we have. With that being said, FS drops way down imo.

I think bubbles or absorption shields would be interesting!

That's fair...but if you are running that on point you're probably gonna get dunked on tbh

I mean...am I wrong? hahahah

Most people complain about it being OP because it is the only healing option in the game I think haha. These are definitely some dark days for healer.

This is true, but it is definitely more of a dueling weapon in the current pvp meta. It is just out paced by better dive options haha.

I'm glad you agree! I think that the game is generally in a decent place in terms of actual balance (Other than GS and some aspects of Musket), but ME really exacerbates the power of the weapons. With the Lifestaff...exactly! There is no way that it can keep up. Don't get me wrong, if you pressure a healer and have someone chasing them, yes that makes sense that they can't heal. But the amount of CC and mobility some of these dive builds have, mixed with dex burst, and then detonates and such...it is near impossible at times. This also highlights the defense-heavy war meta. You have players who can play comfortably and pump out damage while sitting in the fort, and not enough can be done to push through in a lot of cases. This is a great point regarding armor weight. Right now, if you aren't light there are two issues. You either do not do enough damage or healing to keep up and be effective. Or...you are not mobile enough. It is crazy to me that in most cases as a healer in medium in heavy you will probably die more than light because you can't escape lol. I am really interested to see how the incoming balance patch mixes things up.

That is a valid opinion! It is definitely in a tough spot. I think the one saving grace it has is if you start to get ME rolling you can have some crazy damage, but it is 100% more difficult!

Agreed - and FS has no kiting mechanism to keep melee off . FS is just pure trash - time for me to switch. =\

Definitely underrated, but it has zero war viability

@@LemoniGames why do people think that it offers so much team utility and disruption. I do perfectly fine in wars and get asked by others to join as merc to help them with it

@@johnriches4932 I mean...the only role it fills is a sort of kill squad role. At that point all competitive wars just take a GS.

@@LemoniGames very true. I think it probably depends a lot on the server meta and person choice and skill levels. I found success on my server for it but it's not used much so not many know what to expect or how to deal with it. Thanks for your input tho mate great content

This is true...but some weapons are just not as good to be honest haha. Anyone can play a GS and be good, those who are really good are an absolute pain. But if you look at something like sword and shield, yeah it can be great...but the margin of error and damage output make it far below something like a GS.

This is factual. The one thing I will say though is that even with dancing around, a GS user has ungodly gap closing and homing ability. They lunge farther than they should and you can charge up a heavy that will hit someone from a mile away. That mixed with its high damage, passive anti-heal, slows, roots, rends, guaranteed crits, etc. Make it kinda crazy. Especially if there are 2 GS players, or even 1 while being shot by dex, it is just GG.

Idk about that...I think there is a rather decent sense of balance in the game to be honest. I think ME is just nuts and really makes Dex crazy. GS needs some tuning along with musket.

@@LemoniGames I would drop the scaling on musket to being both 0.65 cap mortal empowerment to 10% max with only 1% more damage per stack. I would also make attunement melee weapons only. As for GS I would probably lower the scaling on that slightly as well. With maybe a slight range nerf since the lunge is a little much. Might also be a good idea to make opals give 3% resistance instead of 2.5 each to counter a bit more elemental damage which is getting a bit out of hand. Rubies give 6% but then everything else hits you dumb hard if you rock rubies

This is from last season

I got heaters tatted on my chest with 35 war containers sitting in my storage...I hope you're enjoying your home in Weaver's Fen :)

@@LemoniGames My guy you are gonna sit here and argue that ig, vg, ga, ls, bb are all below S… weapons that have been hard meta and will be hard meta. An army can win without hatchets or muskets, no army comp with any less than 10 of ig vg ga ls is going anywhere

@@JayDawg591 I agree...but that doesn't make a weapon S. You are slotting a role that is necessary an basing that as your reason as to why a weapon is strong. You slot less than 5 muskets in a war...so is that weapon B tier by your logic?

@@LemoniGames It’s not all about how many you slot but you have to factor that in. I’d sooner put musket in A tier over any of the mentioned weapons. If you think about overall army impact a ga, vg, ig, ls are all doing infinitely more than a musket or a bow. Unless your tier list is only based on kill potential? It’s just baffling seeing the three weapons driving every war (ga, vg, ig, ls) being placed below S.

Nah I would not be typing crazy like that when you can’t even drop double digits playing dex on defense💀

Bow maybe be op but let's be honest it requires skills to use. Musket definitely need a nerf same with gs.

@@humbertopineiro834 ok

Factual...but I think the issue is that mortal empowerment is soooo good and needs to be adjusted.

I appreciate this :) But yes, I definitely should have been more specific!! I'll keep that in mind!

Yeah I'm very uneducated tbh...thank you for your massive brain

This has always been a thing though, even when the game's population was high!

The dark days for everyone else because of dex...does that make more sense? haha

ROFL...tell me when you see Sword and Shield in War. You see it occasionally in 3v3, or maybe OPR. I am all for different opinions, but to make that statement strictly based on that weapon is absurd haha. I will say, I think it could move up a tier. Regardless, it is in D-Tier because there are far better options that will be slotted for a war in this current META. If nothing can be trusted on this list, then I suppose the S-Tier weapons aren't that strong then either? haha..Have a good day, I hope you have a great time doing some PvE :)

What do you play in PVP?

@@ABM_Taka Def a heavy windchill gamer...that's for sure

Sword and shield in war is grief.

Unless your a tank 🤣💀