I agree it's a big part of Dutch culture. And with all the noise issues they've had, who knows if they could even put another coaster in that exact spot.

Me too.

Ow you mean how they removed Bob....

@@miwer1000 they could not keep it bc the model was out of production

It's a very small and pop but you can definitely still feel it

I've never gotten that pop myself.

Also, in the back its like you are pulled truh the tracke over the hill or top of a loop, while in the front its like somthing is holding you from moving forward.

I'll have to check that out.

Wow that transition is awful.

I know what you meant i thaught i had a spinal injury when that happenned to me. Since i'm used to this one i didn't brace big mistake.

Benefits of working from home!

i still feel the pain. It was terrible. Still i prefered the ride over python because python is really forceless nowadays. It used to be way better with the original track and the roughness was barrable back than.

I just looked at the video and that looks horrific.

True!

And whatever at gardaland; I think they are the same model

@@jackfeldman3916 Shaman at Gardaland is mentioned multiple times in the video :D Though as far as I know Gardaland didn't do the reprofiling but just the retracking. So these two coasters should be quite different now.

That's fair. I'll edit that part out since that was my only experience learning about it.

@Arrow Dynamics Inc. (Warning, essay incoming) I'll give you that, Park Vault doesn't do a very good job at citing their sources, and to its credit, The Legacy of Arrow does have some insightful first-hand recounts. However, the section where the docu makes those inflammatory statements is extremely rushed and doesn't really elaborate on what Vekoma actually did, and what Arrow themselves thought about it. For all we know, Arrow could've been perfectly fine with what Vekoma were doing (which they were), but no tangible evidence was given either way. The transcript literally only says this: "After Arrow had partnered with European ride manufacturer, Vekoma, they had shown the Dutch company how they created their unique track system in hopes they could save on steel shipping costs for European orders. But, the plan backfired and Vekoma began building their own trains and manufacturing a variant of Arrow's track design for themselves. Vekoma debuted their first Boomerang shuttle loop coaster that year, and Arrow's once revered skill and trade secrets were all but gone. They had created their own rival who used their technology and know-how." ...That's it. They just imply that Vekoma stole their track design and then swiftly move on to the next section. Meanwhile several comments now express their disdain for Vekoma, going as far as calling them "thieves" and "backstabbers". Comments which ACE has hearted, by the way. ACE had a chance to rectify this in the Creator Commentary, but aside from mentioning how Vekoma has now evolved past their Arrow-based design and shouting out Lech Coaster, they don't really make much of an effort to either take back their antagonistic take, or double down and provide some solid proof to justify their claim. Either way, it leaves that claim feeling superficial and kind of dishonest. It should be noted that around the time Vekoma started making their own train design, thus deviating from their original Arrow deal, they had begun to make noticeable modifications to their track design, including the double spined track sections on their loopers like Goudourix and Blue Hawk. Furthermore, the way they assembled and designed their coasters was also changed from Arrow's original techniques. They bolted their track sections instead of welding them, like Arrow did, and they also designed their coasters using CAD software unlike Arrow, who still designed their rides by hand. Plus, many elements, such as the Cobra Roll and the Butterfly Loop were actually invented by Vekoma, not Arrow. By the time the SLC came out, the resemblance between the Arrow and Vekoma track was aesthetic at best. And even that isn't a fair assessment, since Arrow had by then also made significant changes to their track shape (like on the Big One and Desperado.) As for Park Vault having cited Vekoma for their media, that isn't very relevant to the discussion, since it's purely to give the manufacturer credit for their photos, like I'd do if I were to reuse Mike's footage for one of my videos. And if there was some kind of direct affiliation, they would've had to be more explicit about it. I just think that one site offers a much more detailed insight on what Vekoma's relationship to Arrow was like (especially if you look at more than just one part of the retrospective), and The Legacy of Arrow's perspective just lacks nuance as is just as poorly cited as Park Vault's is, despite the latter being infinitely more thorough. Sorry for the endless essay, but this is honestly my only major gripe with an otherwise excellent documentary, and I just felt like taking that off my chest.

These vests are awesome for loopers.

It's great they respect their history.

That's interesting since it was easily the smoothest old-school Vekoma looper I've experienced.

Python Plus, it was called. I really want to know more about it.

Interesting!

You can fix that!

I'd be in favor of it.

That's good they're nostalgic.

Thanks

That's good to know for future visits. It took 4 people about 40 minutes to get on. I kept telling myself to bail out, but I didn't think it would take that long.

Vekoma is a Dutch manufacturer.

It was done by another company.

It seems like it's the first looping coaster for many.

Ohh, i rode Looping Star a few years before it closed. It was actually still quite smooth for it's age.

Not everyone will love this ride.

Symbolica is easily the best single rider line at that park.

@@CanobieCoaster I feel like that applies to a lot of trackless rides. Ratatouille in Disneyland Paris also has a really quick single riders line.

It's ok.

Ok thanks!

I'm glad they made it smoother.

That would've been interesting.

It shows how intune Efteling is with their history.

That one is great.

Canyon Blaster feels faster, is more intense, and has the cave theming. And better airtime.

I didn't know about that.

@@CanobieCoaster Not much is known about it. Here's a link to the Eftelpedia article on Python Plus: www.eftepedia.nl/lemma/Python_Plus

It's a classic.

Somewhere in between.

It was a decent looper when I rode it.

I prefer some others.

Helsinki was a cool city.

True, it is similar to those rides.

I did not try the old track.

I found over-the-shoulder restraints worse as a young kid since my head was stuck in the middle. As an adult, my head usually clears the top.

Thanks!

yup first the classic arrow loopers then the mk 1200 then the kumbak trains and since 2012 the mk1212

Xpress in Walibi Holland still runs old vekoma trains and those restraints are 5cm too low for my sholders. It's aweful! Especially because it tends to click down a few teeth at high positive G sections. So vest restraints are a welcome addition. The kumbak trains, while looking nice had aweful padding on the seats. The bone-shaped cushions would crush into your spine. So no, give me those vest restraints!!

@@NiekNooijens The trains on Xpress are the same as the ones on Rock and Rollercoaster, but not with the car theme).

So many replacements!

Nice!

@@CanobieCoaster As mentioned in the video, the upgrade was done to keep the ride for the whole family, Efteling prioritises on family rides, they do add great coasters as jounger family kids love those. The Baron is a very nice but short coaster. You should try it 😎

Nice!

I prefer the other major coasters as well.

That can happen a lot with classic rides.

True!

It's a classic too for them.

It's fine.

Yes, but you do hit a really nasty pothole which manages to give you headbanging with vest restraints, so it's not exactly a good tradeoff.

@@MondoCoasters yikessss

@Mondo Coasters Oh my.

@@CanobieCoaster I must specify that I'm referring to the end of the second corkscrew, not the airtime hill.

I wish!

I'm glad they did.

Interesting!

I think I just poorly annunciated ascend, but it does sound like descend.

It does seem a bit odd in that regard.

I have no issue with that.

Nice!

True, I mention that part in the review.

I wonder if the ride would even be allowed given all the issues Python has with noise and such.

RCDB lists Pegasus as opening in 1991.

I thought they felt smooth.

@@CanobieCoaster yes they are very smooth but in my opinion the old corks were shaped better 😁

No pain is a good thing to me.

Yes

It was appreciated by the locals.

I prefer some other coasters here.

@@CanobieCoaster More importantly, the dark rides. Vogel rok was amazing, and Vliegende Hollander might just be the best dark ride i've ever done. Droomvlucht was closed when i went there so i'm definitely going back