Q&R with Dr. Kerry Muhlestein! Tough Book of Abraham Questions

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Q&R with Dr. Kerry Muhlestein! Tough Book of Abraham Questions

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So there was, in 2nd century BC Egypt, an indisputable, multicultural sharing of religious ideas between Jews, Greeks, and Egyptians. How should that fact influence how we evaluate Joseph Smith’s interpretations of the Abraham facsimiles in general and individual hieroglyphics on the facsimiles specifically? On a related note, some of Joseph’s descriptions of Facsimile 2 contain temple themes, saying that more will be revealed about those in the temple. Can Egyptologists today read those hieroglyphs, and are they actually connected in any way to what we learn about in our modern temples? Also, Dr. Robert Ritner is an Egyptologist who has critiqued LDS scholarship on the book of Abraham. Has he been adequately responded to? And finally, what are the top three most solid intellectual evidences for the book of Abraham having ancient connections which Joseph Smith could not have known about? In today’s episode of Church History Matters, we dive into all of these questions and more with Dr. Kerry Muhlestein, an Egyptologist and scholar on the book of Abraham.
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Originally published October 24, 2023
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@user-sv4ue6iu7v Ай бұрын

Another WOW!!! Wonderful lecture/lesson on the Book of Abraham and the Facsimiles. So very interesting. Thank you so much for your time all of you.

@elizabethpeterson9914 3 ай бұрын

This was so good! I love Kerry Muhlestein! He's so good at explaining complex ideas in a way that simpletons like myself can understand. I love that he is unafraid to say when he doesn't know or understand something. And lastly, he's just so darn polite.

@mascotbenches5146 3 ай бұрын

Don't get a big head but these podcasts are the best. Keep them coming!

@alanyoung6572 3 ай бұрын

Amen

@Glen.Danielsen 3 ай бұрын

Good brothers: These episodes are so deeply helpful. Thanks utterly much. The value of _faithful perspective_ and _faithful_ Saint scholars like Kerry Muhlestein and John Gee are mana to the Faith. They contrast to the sellout-secular-liberal Church History Department and JS Papers enclave, with their inviting acidic critic Brian Hauglid as an oracle in their Book of Abraham volume. Academic gimmick and betrayal.

@Sayheybrother8 3 ай бұрын

Great interview. You brought up the idea that possibly Joseph haven’t been in the past they were wrong. The concern one could have is the other revelations or commandments, or that were revealed to Joseph to the same standard could be applied. This is concerning because of the manner in which some of these revelations affected the lives of so many individuals, physical and spiritually traumatic ways.

@jake8882 3 ай бұрын

Hahaha. This is great stuff. Rittner was incredible. The book of Abraham is problematic. We see how we try to change how it was translated and goal posts keep moving.

@user-vv7er6qu3p 3 ай бұрын

you didn't listen to the podcast did you???

@jake8882 3 ай бұрын

@@user-vv7er6qu3p I loved it.

@jake8882 3 ай бұрын

I think truth is in the eye of the beholder. That's what I got out of it.

@weightelk 3 ай бұрын

@@jake8882I thought facts don't care about your feelings, but I guess truth is subjective 🤷‍♂️

@jake8882 3 ай бұрын

@@weightelk I believe that is true. I think we get caught up in making new ideas up to make something that looks false become more compelling. Its fun to think about how all our lives we thought certain truths of the church keep changing to make it work with the truth claims. Do you not see that happening?

@esmeraldamaldonado4574 3 ай бұрын

Thank you!

@katejones3492 3 ай бұрын

Thanks to Dr. Muhlestein and his honest and open comments. I'm glad that he didn't go on the program with John Dehlin and Corbin Volluz (aka RFM) as that would have been a waste of time as all they do is mud sling. Thanks again!

@noelhausler2911 3 ай бұрын

Here is a paper by Hungarian Egyptologist Tamas Mekis on hypocephalus. He does not mention the Book of Abraham. docs.google.com/document/d/1VgOxxk8XnSlK-ZfZ-3B__Xz_CazOQ0O7dOj0O6CI9Ko/edit

@elizabethpeterson9914 3 ай бұрын

Agreed. They are not looking for answers and so won't find them, even if they were explained by an angel of God. God gives grace to the humble.

@jake8882 3 ай бұрын

@elizabethpeterson9914 but sounds like you believe anything?

@jake8882 3 ай бұрын

Rfm and John D are great guys. They have seen the problems with the church. But blind faith works for some it is problematic for others.

@RichardHolmes-ll8ii 3 ай бұрын

@@jake8882There were never any problems to begin with.

@natalies4375 3 ай бұрын

Kerry comes across slightly better, logically, than he does in other places, as far as his controversial approach to start with faith (when speaking as a expert or academic) and take everything in from the stance of a believer. His work/views seem more aligned with a cultural anthropologist IMO.

@eveelane2806 2 ай бұрын

❤❤❤❤❤❤

@jake8882 3 ай бұрын

I like this guy

@RyanMercer 3 ай бұрын

☺ 👍

@noelhausler2911 3 ай бұрын

I don't want to get any BYU Professor in trouble so I am deleting my comment. Its either critics or apologists no in between. Waste of time talking to LDS. As Kara Cooney once said to me in conversations with LDS scholars "I do not want to gaslight"

@chimpychimp4921 3 ай бұрын

All of that is irrelevant to Kerry Muhlestein's point. Did you just not listen to the podcast?

@noelhausler2911 3 ай бұрын

@@chimpychimp4921 The catalyst theory is the only option you have.

@latterdaycovenantliving 3 ай бұрын

No cap

@jake8882 3 ай бұрын

Masons have similar rituals.

@Heartsinmelody 2 ай бұрын

Kerry is a terrible spokes person for this topic. Talk about chloroform in voice.😂

@alanyoung6572 3 ай бұрын

The Lord God allowed Joseph to BS you guys and you cannot figure that out. This is the theme of Dr Richard Ritner on the John Dehlin podcast. You know what his take is. If you have not listened to the podcast, you owe it to yourself to learn what the real world has concluded about the Book of Abraham (Breathings).

@paulblack1799 3 ай бұрын

😅😂😅😂😅😂😅😂😅 you're silly.

@RichardHolmes-ll8ii 3 ай бұрын

Robert Ritner was proven wrong. As Ritner and your anti-Mormon cult were comparing the facsimiles to the explanation and expecting correlation.

@user-vv7er6qu3p 3 ай бұрын

On the other hand you did not listen to this podcast did you??? The bottom line is that none of these things will be cut and dried for the simple reason that faith is required by God and faith requires a certain amount of uncertainty! I know that drives ya''ll crazy because it sounds like a copout!! I could tell you that the reality of these things can be known by revelation through prayer but I know you will make fun of that idea! Regardless of what you think about Joseph Smith and the translation process the text itself is absolutely incredible! My final comment is on your use of sarcasm. I have learned in my 74 years in mortality that people who use sarcasm in their speech or writing cannot be trusted as a reputable source for truth!

@user-vv7er6qu3p 3 ай бұрын

You just showed us how incredibly shallow you are !! Ok why dont you in all of your great wisdom tell us where we should be looking for salvation!! You do not have anything positive to offer us, nothing uplifting, nothing with any light or truth!! Just tear down everything you are angry about! Why on earth would anybody listen to you??!!

@sasha42196 3 ай бұрын

Whatever you say, as long as it helps resolve your "psychological dissonance" lol. So you say you fell out of the church, but now you can't leave it alone.