Quad City Challenger II

Quad City Challenger II - Cost to Own

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2 жыл бұрын

What does it actually cost to buy and own a Quad City Challenger II? In this short video we break down the Quad City Challenger II Cost of Ownership and let you know exactly what your get for your money. And how much of your money it will take.
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In addition to annual costs, we cover the cost per hour and cost per mile to operate. We also cover key performance stats so you know what you're paying for.
Costs of airplane ownership vary widely from owner to owner. This video takes an average of the various expenses from existing owners and boils them down to simple to digest numbers. Your ownership experiences will be unique.

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@christopheriimcguire5315 2 жыл бұрын

Not the Challenger I was expecting when I saw the title 😂

@bigwings1891 2 жыл бұрын

Was expecting the tank?

@Browhoisyou 2 жыл бұрын

@@bigwings1891 probably the jet

@ThatHonestGuy 2 жыл бұрын

Haha same!

@icecreamsundae1038 2 жыл бұрын

I was thinking the Shuttle

@andrewholmes2091 2 жыл бұрын

Same 😆

@beesoffury 2 жыл бұрын

The humor on this channel is avgeek gold 😂

@benghazi4216 2 жыл бұрын

"Trying to get more out of them than was ever really intended will probably lead to disappointment" That's an understatement if there ever was one!

@AlexDenton0451 2 жыл бұрын

I’m actually in the Quad Cities right now, the home of this plane!

@RossLeavitt 2 жыл бұрын

Love the videos! Flying with two people is “dual” not “duel”. Even though the tight quarters could lead to some kid of duel.

@linobenetti6578 Жыл бұрын

lol....nuanced comments are the best !

@josephd.5524 Жыл бұрын

I am now aware of Ultralights that can equip floats and I am intrigued... I'm from the deep, swampy part of North Ontario and something that can land on the little lakes and rivers that suffuse the area has a hell of a lot of appeal. Sounds like it can carry me and a substantial camping gear load so holy hell...

@CompleteWalkaround Жыл бұрын

That's exactly what it can do

@ewhays 2 жыл бұрын

Love the light weight episodes! Can we get the Pietenpol too?

@UncleKennysPlace 2 жыл бұрын

The Pietenpol is a homebuilt, with soooo many variations.

@ewhays 2 жыл бұрын

@@UncleKennysPlace plans as written are an option, Corvair conversion is another, those are are the most common that you find specs on.

@markcurtiss4647 Жыл бұрын

Great video. I've built and flown 3 Challengers, all with the Rotax 503. First was the single place long wing and absolutely loved that plane. Next was a two place standard, very nice. The one I have now is another two place standard that I added a bunch of accessories, which I regret. It's very heavy and flying with two people is near impossible. If you get one, keep the weight down.

@Coobyboi 2 жыл бұрын

Had a Challenger I Clipped wing. Absolute blast on a 503. Great plane to just put around in.

@GeneralSirDouglasMcA Жыл бұрын

May I ask about how much the annual costs are? Including fuel burn, routine maintenance (such as oil changes) unroutine maintenance (stuff tearing up), etc.?

@Coobyboi Жыл бұрын

@@GeneralSirDouglasMcA It would get a “Conditional” every year. No more than $200. As for random expenses, oil and tires are about it besides fuel.

@GeneralSirDouglasMcA Жыл бұрын

@@Coobyboi Awesome. As someone who grosses between $40-50k annually (depending on overtime), this sounds like something I could actually afford to both buy and own. There seem to be plenty of used ones for under $20k for sale, and I could theoretically pay cash for one of those, though finding hangar space could present a problem, as I wouldn’t imagine you’d want to do tie down even with aircraft covers.

@Coobyboi Жыл бұрын

@@GeneralSirDouglasMcA yeah. Guess I forgot to mention hangar cost which is about $210-$300 depending on where you go. It’s a very affordable and safe bird. Just remember that two strokes aren’t the most reliable engines. I always flew mine high and constantly had potential ditching areas on my route.

@matthewmillar3804 2 жыл бұрын

How does one get into flying for cheap with sturdy built, fast air frames that don't need maintenance and run on hopes and dreams? 🙄🤣 Fun video as always! How about doing the CT-114 Tutor? 😊

@matt_b... 2 жыл бұрын

Riding with a passenger seems an awful lot like tandem skydiving in reverse.

@shajducko 2 жыл бұрын

Loving these videos! One thing I’m a bit confused by is how the numbers break down from variable/fixed costs to the price per hour - as well as what the ‘Reserve’ cost actually is. Would love to see a video about that!

@CompleteWalkaround 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks. I've had this question before. I will make a cheat sheet style video about all the numbers

@martinanderson4302 2 жыл бұрын

Great video as always! Can you please, please, please do a Lake Buccaneer or Renegade!?!?

@barnabywhitfield247 2 жыл бұрын

I love these videos 🔥Commander 114TC or maybe Comanche next 👀?

@peter__p_a_n2563 2 жыл бұрын

@Complete Walkaround, could you please do one on the tecnam 2002 Jr? Thanks and keep up the great videos

@emfournet 2 жыл бұрын

Do a Grumman AA-1 next!

@queeny5613 Жыл бұрын

Awesome

@jcampbell7619 2 жыл бұрын

How ‘bout an AutoGyro next time. Thanks these are fun and informative.

@robertrussell1604 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for doing this one. "So you want to buy a Challenger II..." Yes, Yes I do.

@livestock9722 Жыл бұрын

I've one for sale!

@rodz1999 Ай бұрын

@@livestock9722interested as well

@youdontneedtoknow6621 2 ай бұрын

Hey mate, could you please do a video on the moth series of planes or just the tiger moth? I’ve really fallen for them recently and I’m honestly thinking of buying one, just need a pilot’s license I guess 😅

@kittyhawk3831 2 жыл бұрын

I've flown in one of these. I'm 6'2, and I could barely fit in the front of one of these things, the back seat simply wasn't an option lol

@sylvester2294 Жыл бұрын

The Challenger is quite flexible...Grab a wing tip and begin to move it up and down...in time the tail feathers will be flexing opposite the wing....Good plane other wise...

@philbrookman3126 Жыл бұрын

hope u have fitted reinforcing wedge or massive thick washer 6mm or so on inside of wing attach fittings as per the mw mods ,,,cracks have develpoed across the hole resulting in fatalities please share with other challenger owners

@TheGalonator 2 жыл бұрын

Can you do a review on the Robin DR400?

@griffinmcdowell70 2 жыл бұрын

Can you do a Piper J3 Cub video soon? :)

@CascadiaAviation 2 жыл бұрын

I’d like to once again request the Comanche! 😃

@jpjourdonnais 2 жыл бұрын

Do the J3 cub please!

@areyoumad 2 жыл бұрын

Nice one! I would be most curious to see a video about a Maule aircraft, is it in your plans? Cheers from France!

@robertrussell1604 2 жыл бұрын

Seconding a Maule. M5 or M7 just not the tricycles.

@areyoumad 2 жыл бұрын

@@robertrussell1604 Yup, that's what I also had in mind ;)

@ryancrazy1 2 жыл бұрын

Grumman Tiger Next! the AOPA giveaway plane!

@amns8900 2 жыл бұрын

I wanted one of these or a Kolb as a kid. Dan Gryder has broken me of any desire for an ultralight now. I'm holding out for a Husky once I win the Powerball.

@coertlandtbauer4627 Жыл бұрын

Or you can fly now and upgrade when you win the Powerball. That's my plan anyways. I couldn't wait any longer.

@commentatron Жыл бұрын

What did Dan say that influenced you negatively?

@linobenetti6578 Жыл бұрын

just a question if you please ; if lets say i throw the back seat out and convert the space for light cargo ..can i fly the plane as ultralight ? since i dont hold a pilot licence ...any input is greatly appreciated many many thanks to all of you greetings from Kalamata

@CompleteWalkaround Жыл бұрын

You can definitely do that. It’s common practice in fact. I don’t know about licence requirements in your area, but you can definitely turf the back seat for storage.

@WilliamWhitneyChristmasMD 2 жыл бұрын

Piper Colt, please!

@Fynnley525 2 жыл бұрын

do you think youll do a video on the Bombardier Challenger line? i know you tend to stick to smaller planes but you did do one for the HondaJet so im curious to see if youll do others

@CompleteWalkaround 2 жыл бұрын

Single pilot planes is the line so far

@Fynnley525 2 жыл бұрын

@@CompleteWalkaround fair enough

@denniswofford 2 жыл бұрын

Does the cost of operation include the substantial increase in your life insurance premium?

@screddot7074 Жыл бұрын

No increase, just a little clause that says they will not pay.

@joebuckaroo82 Жыл бұрын

I have a question for anyone with real-life experience in one of these. I took a flight in back seat of one and was going to try my hand at flying. I had a private license and was familiar with Beechcraft Sports/Cessna 172s/Warriers/Archers--that sort of thing. So I was trying to fly and found that the rudder position seemed to be "neutral" in a position significantly off of center and I felt like I had to put a ton of pressure to use the rudders. I was going to ask the PIC about this, but he was kind of a dick, so I didn't want him to feel any more superior than he already felt. Is that rudder jazz normal for ultralights? I understand that these sort of airplanes require significantly more stick/rudder finess than that the average general aircraft light aircraft, but this seemed very odd to me.

@evilbear1978 Жыл бұрын

From what I understand, that's exactly how the challengers behave. As I understand, there is quite a bit of adverse yaw in them so it requires quite a bit of rudder to counteract it while flying.

@Mike-01234 Жыл бұрын

Decent used ones now sell for 30k aviation popularity has skyrocketed with all the KZfaq videos. Everything has gone up the ones that are old, and have lot of issues sell for 10k

@ThePrintZone123 Жыл бұрын

Is it possible to remove the rear seat i am to young to get a license, im going to do some training at a local airport, but you need a license to have a dual seat, so im just wondering if you can just remove it.

@CompleteWalkaround Жыл бұрын

Licence and modification requirements depend on where you live. In Canada to can take the seat out and you require an UL licence. In the USA I don't think you need a licence but Im not sure about that.

@ThePrintZone123 Жыл бұрын

@@CompleteWalkaround okay thanks do you know the weight i cant find any accurate results thanks.

@ThePrintZone123 Жыл бұрын

@@CompleteWalkaround also in us if you have a dual seater you need a sports pilot license, but sincei can just take it out that wouldnt matter.

@zachpw 2 жыл бұрын

Is there anything this inexpensive that’s designed for longish distance cross country travel?

@coertlandtbauer4627 Жыл бұрын

My challenger holds 27 gallons. Very cross country capable just check weather beforehand and don't be in a rush. Lots of documented cross country flights in a challenger.

@nathanlindley 2 жыл бұрын

I'd love to see the glassair 1,2 or 3! Or lancair 320 or 360!

@CompleteWalkaround 2 жыл бұрын

You in a rush? 🙂

@nathanlindley 2 жыл бұрын

@@CompleteWalkaround I'm all about that $/mile! 😉

@CompleteWalkaround 2 жыл бұрын

@@nathanlindley I relate

@nathansmisson3309 2 жыл бұрын

Just a little over the cost of getting a pilot's license, as it should be.

@indoorgangster 2 жыл бұрын

it looks like something you'd build yourself. like IKEA.

@CompleteWalkaround 2 жыл бұрын

You do! It's a kit

@indoorgangster 2 жыл бұрын

@@CompleteWalkaround but., is it as solid and reliable as IKEA?

@interflight0274 2 жыл бұрын

These places are good for the bahamas

@tds456 2 жыл бұрын

That engine, the 912 has more power and less fuel burn per hour.

@CompleteWalkaround 2 жыл бұрын

6 times the price and heavier

@temetitomimorronga4928 2 жыл бұрын

When Pilatus PC-12

@Del_S 2 жыл бұрын

And it probably isn't as good at shrugging off RPGs as the *other* Challenger 2 has been known to do...

@aviatorjoe4153 2 жыл бұрын

Dual, not duel. Unless people fence on the wings....

@jackryan152 2 жыл бұрын

I own one, your speeds are way off. I think your weights are too. Mine weighs 450 empty, I cruise at 70 knots (80 mph). I have a Hirth 3203 engine (65 HP, aircooled) I burn 4-4.5 Gal an hour. I weigh 230, I can carry a 200 lb person in the back. Yes it is a little weird to have someone's legs wrapped around your hips but you do get use to it. My friend has a 503 based one and he has better performance 80-90 mph.

@josephc.9520 2 жыл бұрын

I thought the speeds were low too. But you can cruise at whatever spped you like, it's top speed that counts

@jackryan152 2 жыл бұрын

@@josephc.9520 VNE is 100 MPH for a long wing (I think) its 110MPH on a clip wing. I dont think you can actually get it going that fast flat out in level flight, its a draggy beast. Top speed is not a good indicator, however cruise at a specific RPM is a good way to judge performance