Quick Change Mill Tooling Upgrade For The Mill (Mark 2)
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Күн бұрынQuick Change Mill Tooling Mark 1 : • Quick Change Mill Tool...
G'day everyone,
I recently made a video where I made some quick change mill tooling for the mini mill. The old system of swapping out tooling using a simple ER 32 collet chuck was time consuming and cumbersome.
The new quick change mill tooling worked by using individual holders which held a ER 20 collet which hold the cutting tool. The holders would be able to be quickly indexed into the mill using a morse taper collet.
In the last video I used the lathe to create the individual tool holders, however I ran into issues regarding run out, due to the limitations of the lathe.
In this video I will replace the home made tool holders with import tool holders which I bought for an affordable price. I hope you enjoy the video.
Cheers
#machining #DIY #millingmachine
Mill: Sieg x2.7l
Lathe: Sieg c3 7x14 Mini Metal Lathe
Timestamps
0:00 - Recap From The Previous Video
0:40 - Issues I Ran Into
1:38 - New Tooling Approach
2:51 - Modifying The Tool Holder
4:33 - Modifying The Tool Holders Montage
5:37 - Assembling The Tool holder & 3/4" Holders
6:31 - Testing The Tooling
Funky Boxstep
Kevin MacLeod
• Funky Boxstep
@slartimus 2 жыл бұрын
I was expecting an excruciatingly long (albeit sped up) hacksawing of those shanks, and was _so_ surprised when the angle grinder came out instead. 😄
@artisanmakes 2 жыл бұрын
cheers. I was about to, but I really didn't want to scratch those nicely ground surfaces by mistake. Regular scheduled hacksawing will resume.
@jaigennat4120 2 жыл бұрын
Haha.. me too
@jakubkopec9313 2 жыл бұрын
Great idea. This is perfect size and cost for hobby shop. Now it is time for making of the power drawbar (hand powered).
@guitarchitectural 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome, I did something similar for my lathe tailstock. ER16 "motor shaft" collet holders with 10mm steel bar cut to length for the shaft. Makes it quick and easy to change between my usual drill bits in the tailstock!!
@kefler187 2 жыл бұрын
putting a draw bar in your tailstock does sound especially useful o.O
@guitarchitectural 2 жыл бұрын
@@kefler187 I use them in a Jacobs chuck
@JETHO321 2 жыл бұрын
Your .01mm is impressive. That equates to .00039 inches. You can't ask for better than that on a small mill.
@artisanmakes 2 жыл бұрын
Cheers, that's about 4 tenths or about. Im very happy with it
@klerulo 2 жыл бұрын
Appreciate the homage to Project Binky!
@artisanmakes 2 жыл бұрын
As Richard Brunning would say, time to get the funk out. Cheers
@nexusofice9135 2 жыл бұрын
Making your own tooling is always fun. Imo more fun than the projects you use them for sometimes.
@artisanmakes 2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely, I have had a lot of fun doing it, and it comes out to be much cheaper too.
@noisemaker1696 2 жыл бұрын
I've been following along for a while now and I've gotta say the presentation has come a long way. Beautiful video work, mate
@kencurtis508 2 жыл бұрын
Great video, thanks for sharing.
@wyattselleck7236 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing!
@kingkasma4660 2 жыл бұрын
I have a tipp for you wrap wire around your threats when u want to clamp on it
@auxchar 2 жыл бұрын
Ooooh fancy montage editing
@TheLastTater 2 жыл бұрын
Nice work! They came out great for that price.
@darrylwhitman8475 Жыл бұрын
real nice idea , I will fallow your lead an make some , please keep the videos' coming ,thank you ..
@Bart_Depestele 6 ай бұрын
Nice cup of tea
@lgrfbs Жыл бұрын
Nice system and video.
@madguernseyboy 2 жыл бұрын
great job ! Love it I might copy that one day
@dondawson7409 2 жыл бұрын
Pretty impressive
@artisanmakes 2 жыл бұрын
Thankyou
@robertwalker7457 2 жыл бұрын
Good work, getting pretty flash with the multi screen video too.
@Smallathe 2 жыл бұрын
Nice!!!
@mrayco 2 жыл бұрын
I like the way you presented your vedio thank you
@DolezalPetr 2 жыл бұрын
this is how it is done, much better
@wizrom3046 2 жыл бұрын
Wow $12 each... can't argue with that! 🙂
@jirvin4505 2 жыл бұрын
Great update video. Are these runouts with the same collets you had concerns with previously?
@kentuckytrapper780 2 жыл бұрын
👍👍
@HM-Projects 2 жыл бұрын
Nice value for $12. I gave up on it and ended up just making or buying MT3 taper ER holders. I have a dud set of MT3 spring collets, gave up trying to get a good one.
@artisanmakes 2 жыл бұрын
I considered that too, just I found this to be quicker and cheaper, although I'm sure it's a little less rigid . Cheers
@AERuffy 2 жыл бұрын
I went with a MT3 to Tormach TTS adapter to ER20 collet set for my mini mill.
@Oberkaptain 2 жыл бұрын
I did the same except from R8 to TTS.
@dikyoda1881 2 жыл бұрын
⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️
@Bmlventura 6 ай бұрын
Inwas looking at the same solution for myself, shame they dont sell them as 50mm long shafts.
@artisanmakes 6 ай бұрын
That would be perfect wouldn’t it be. Oh well 20 seconds with an angle grinder is enough to correct it
@ferrumignis 2 жыл бұрын
Have you tried using roughing cutters in your machine? If so does it significantly increase the depth of cut you can make?
@artisanmakes 2 жыл бұрын
I have some on they way, although I have not used them on this mill before
@ferlan32 2 жыл бұрын
I would like to know if the z (tool length) is repeatable when you take the holder off and back on. I'm thinking I could use this on my Cnc for faster manual tool changes.. Thanks!
@KingZeusCLE 8 ай бұрын
I know this is a year out, but the Tormach TTS holders repeat very well. Even on my knock offs and cheap mill, tools repeat within a couple thou.
@RedDogForge Жыл бұрын
i had bought the ones that look similar that you pointed out, they were terrible. like 2 thou runout. just out of curiosity who is the higher quality collet? shars? ive been looking at hardinge. pricey but perfect, that said. again pricey lol.
@robertwatsonbath 2 жыл бұрын
Nice. The cuts in steel you show are using a vanilla HSS endmill? Looks pretty decent to me!
@artisanmakes 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, these are inexpensive import ones. They do a half decent job, although they don't last too long in ferrous metal.
@robertwatsonbath 2 жыл бұрын
@@artisanmakes Cool thanks. Interested to hear how you get on with carbide when you get them! 👍
@idontwantcorporateretaliat6301 8 ай бұрын
Can you provide a link to seller store? I'm having a hard time finding import tooling w/decent runout.
@DR-br5gb 8 ай бұрын
What's the Z- offset variation or error that you get with each tool change?
@haydenc2742 2 жыл бұрын
Whoah....cue the 70's porno music...LOL Very cool lathe work..love watching your video's Keep em coming!!!!
@SQ_og 9 ай бұрын
Which nuts are the silver ones?
@486cambell 2 жыл бұрын
im sure these tool holders will be well worth the small investment they where, also if its any intrest to you i have some large hss bridge reamers 1" and larger, there not of much use to me but a good sorce of large hss, i could send one to you if you would like and was that a bit of bad obsession motorsport montage with the tea ?
@psykosis101 2 жыл бұрын
Nice vid mate, have you seen Siegs new SX3.5ZDP HiTorque Mill?
@artisanmakes 2 жыл бұрын
I am aware of them though I don't think they were for sale when I bought this mill. Looking at them, I am sure they are a solid machine, but for the price I'd rather go with a used machine or a Taiwanese made one. Cheers
@psykosis101 2 жыл бұрын
@@artisanmakes yeah, my thoughts as well. Not sure of their market at that price
@Pushyhog 2 жыл бұрын
banggood stuff is good
@piccilos 2 жыл бұрын
Time for a pneumatic drawbar build.
@artisanmakes 2 жыл бұрын
a power draw bar or something of the like is on the table. The effect of having a quill does complicate it a little bit more than i'd like. Most examples I've seen are with mills that do not have one. I have a few ideas and I'll hopefully be trying them out soon. Cheers
@TSyrjalaknives 2 жыл бұрын
One nice thing with those 3/4 er collets is, that you can get that flat surface in them to fit against your spindle nose. Gives a lot of rigidity. I use them my self, and it was not so hard to find 3/4 morse taper collet with metric threads.
@artisanmakes 2 жыл бұрын
Well whatever works for you. And not bad of you can acquire those collets, they aren't available where I live. Cheers
@TSyrjalaknives 2 жыл бұрын
@@artisanmakes i found one from ebay, the seller was in UK if i remember right...
@EmyrDerfel 2 жыл бұрын
@@TSyrjalaknives I'm not surprised you found tools mixing imperial and metric from a UK source!
@RZ296 2 жыл бұрын
Why do not use ER20 with MT3 taper?
@jakubkopec9313 2 жыл бұрын
MT 3 taper tooling is not exactly quick to change. Morse tapers are self locking and to remove it you have to hit the drawbar with a hammer. His idea is much better, quick, easy and keeps tool height consistent.
@RZ296 2 жыл бұрын
@@jakubkopec9313 One of my mills, converted to CNC, have MT3 in spindle, and it has left handed tread on the top of the spindle. There is the cap with hole on top, and when I need to extract the tool from the spindle, I just use two wrenches, one for cap and other for drawbar, no hammering. Other milling machine with MT4, which I sold year ago, has the exact same system. And third machine, which I use as manual machine now, have ISO 40 spindle, the whole defferent story. I agree with you about the tool height consistency, but I think that hammerless extraction system can be another project for Artisan Makes.
@artisanmakes 2 жыл бұрын
@@RZ296 I can assure you that a power draw bar or something of the like is on the table. The effect of having a quill does complicate it a little bit more than i'd like. Most examples I've seen are with mills that do not have one. I have a few ideas and I'll hopefully be trying them out soon. Cheers
@MissingClara Жыл бұрын
Didn't you mean Mark 3 in the title? MT2 has a max holding diameter of 12mm.
@artisanmakes Жыл бұрын
No it’s mark 2 as in the second iteration of this. I had an earlier attempt that wasn’t as successful
@jirvin4505 2 жыл бұрын
Is a quick release draw bar next? Thought you may like this version kzfaq.info/get/bejne/rZaUYNKY0rWtlYk.html Cheers Jeff
@Oberkaptain 2 жыл бұрын
Why not just get a TTS holder kit?
@artisanmakes 2 жыл бұрын
It's already a similar set up, but this is a lot cheaper
@RedDogForge Жыл бұрын
45-50 is not hardened to barely hardened. they lied.
@The_Unobtainium Жыл бұрын
usd12 per piece... yeah... it is twice as much now. Senseless:/
@trashes_to_treasures 2 жыл бұрын
2:57 CHEATER!!! You should have used a hacksaw as expected. Immediately unsubscribed 😅
@artisanmakes 2 жыл бұрын
Haha cheers. I was about to, but I really didn't want to scratch those nicely ground surfaces by mistake. Regular scheduled hacksawing will resume.
@trashes_to_treasures 2 жыл бұрын
@@artisanmakes glad you decided to come back to your mind and give us what we need 😄😉 Thx for the great content and greetings from Berlin!
@phredka12 2 ай бұрын
It is really bad ran out
@artisanmakes 2 ай бұрын
10 microns is fine for cheap collets on a hobby machine. We aren't running DMG machines here. If that's not good enough for you then you don't have to use this method
@phredka12 2 ай бұрын
@@artisanmakes you were offended because I pointed out that it wasn't as good as you thought. for hobby applications this is unacceptable. especially since it's very easy to improve quality.
@artisanmakes 2 ай бұрын
I don’t know where you get this offended idea. It’s just difference of opinion, mine being based on running hobby and commercial machines
@phredka12 2 ай бұрын
@@artisanmakes from damaged tools not only in woodworking, and opinion of many professionalist in cnc work in all materials, now you know 👍, I am against people who propagate false knowledge, in name of sub... Likes... And views... Or stupidity.
@artisanmakes 2 ай бұрын
👍
@GeorgeZaharia 10 ай бұрын
5mm cuts lmao... bro ... not even the big tamahawk reactor cnc's do them types of cuts... if its designed for 50mm they probably will cut 5mm per pass... not 50.... cause tool bits are expensive especially after u run a piece and then u need another tool....
@artisanmakes 10 ай бұрын
The haas machines we used to run would like a word. All depends on the type of job
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