Quick History of Bronze Age Languages of Ancient Mesopotamia (Sumerian, Akkadian, Elamite, Kassite)

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In this video, we take a look at the history and development of the most popular / widely spoken languages in ancient Mesopotamia during the Bronze Age, including Sumerian, Akkadian, Hurrian, Elamite and Kassite.
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@HistorywithCy
@HistorywithCy 2 жыл бұрын
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@ancientsitesgirl
@ancientsitesgirl 2 жыл бұрын
I admit that I have not studied the history of the ancient Semites, thanks to you I am catching up. Of course I will go to Iraq one day✌❣
@HistorywithCy
@HistorywithCy 2 жыл бұрын
I hope to go one day too for, well, the obvious reasons! There are few KZfaqrs who have made interesting videos on their trips there - Eva zu Beck and Drew Binskey are to that come to mind but it seems several have ventured throughout the country in recent years. Good luck on your trip and hope to see more of you Egyptian travels soon!
@newsweek631
@newsweek631 2 жыл бұрын
😅🇮🇶♥️ Welcome to iraq ♥️
@lordski1981
@lordski1981 Жыл бұрын
​@@HistorywithCy as long as you and @Ancient Sites Girl don't go to Iraq in the same way as I ended up doing so, uniformed and armed and definitely not wanted there, I wish you the best of luck and great fortunes in your future adventures to the land of ancient Mesopotamia ;
@JonnoPlays
@JonnoPlays 2 жыл бұрын
This channel is awesome. Love your work Cy
@HistorywithCy
@HistorywithCy 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks man, glad you enjoyed this! Lots more on the way, stay tuned and as always, thanks for watching!
@Innomenatus
@Innomenatus 2 жыл бұрын
For all those who wish to know the "Closest living relatives" of these ancient languages/people, here they are: *Hurro-Urartian*: Possibly the Northeast Caucasian languages/people, more specifically the Nakh languages/peoples, who may have an important component of the Hurro-Urartian tribes. Another possible relative would be Armenian, who constituted a part of the Hurro-Urartian tribes. They are widely believed have a substratum of Urartian. *Kassite*: Most likely Hurro-Urartian and therefore the Nakh languages or Armenian. *Hattic*: Possibly the Abkhazo-Adyghean (Northwest Caucasian) and/or Kartvellian languages/people. It may have been related to the unattested Kaskian language whose name may be cognate with an old names for Circassians, the Čarkas, Kasogi, and Kerket. One of the names of their Abešla may be cognate to the ethnonym of the Abkhaz people. A subdivision of the Kaska might have passed north-eastwards to the Caucasus, where they probably blended with the Proto-Colchian or Zan autochthons resulting in the creation of a Proto-Georgian state called Qulḫa in Urartian, and Colchis/Kolchís in Greek. The little known anthronyms of this state are Greek, Anatolian, Iranian, and possibly Abkhaz. *Elamite*: Possibly the Dravidian peoples or the Lurs/Kurdish people. According to some linguists, the Dravidian languages were brought to India by immigration into India from Elam. In 2019, a study concluded that the Iranian ancestral component in the Indus Valley people was contributed by people related to but distinct from Iranian agriculturalists, lacking the Anatolian farmer-related ancestry which was common in Iranian farmers after 6000 BCE mixed with people related to Indian hunter-gatherers ca. 5400 to 3700 BCE. The existence of Brahui speakers in Pakistan supports said Elamo-Dravidian hypothesis. The Proto-Lurs were believed to be the Elamites themselves, and according to some, the Lurs diverged from the Kurds around 1000 years ago. *Sumero-Akkadian*: Sumerian was almost certainly a language isolate. While Akkadian is technically equidistant to all Semitic languages/peoples, the Aramaic language is the "closest", as it contains an Akkadian substratum. The Modern Assyrians themselves are literally the continuation of the original Akkadian Assyrians, who became linguistically Aramized. *Mitanni Substratum*: The Mitanni elite had likely spoken an Indo-European language, more specifically Indo-Aryan language. They spoke a language very closely related to what we call "Vedic Sanskrit". There are no "closest living relatives" of these people as they are linguistically equidistant to all Modern Indo-Aryans, but the Romani people in Syria (or Domari) or the Lomlar (Armenian Romani) would technically be the closest genetically as they inhabit the same area..
@mikkopenttila7604
@mikkopenttila7604 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the great summary and also thanks for all the caveats about the uncertainties. One of my pet peeves is seeing certain claims being made about things like this for which our direct evidence is so sorely lacking.
@BlackLotusVisualArchive
@BlackLotusVisualArchive 2 жыл бұрын
Armenian can't be a relative of the Hurrian Urartian languages. It's an Indo-European language, and its speakers are descendants of conquerors who subjugated the Hurrians and Urartians. Also the Elamo-Dravidian hypothesis isn't taken seriously anymore by linguists, and Brahui isn't spoken anywhere near where Elamite was spoken
@Innomenatus
@Innomenatus 2 жыл бұрын
@@BlackLotusVisualArchive That's why I said it might be a substrate, as they supplanted the language in Urartu. Yeah. The Dravidian languages are spoken quite a distance away from Elam due to the fact that they're the likely descendants of the IVC, who had some type of contact with Elamite, whether it be genetic or areal.
@Joyride37
@Joyride37 Жыл бұрын
Armenian is often classified as it's own branch in the Indo European language family, which is separate from the majority of the Caucasian language families. I could see some Urartian substrate influence in its development while keeping its mostly PIE structure. That happens in a lot of languages--like Etruscan and its Tyrrhenian language family surviving through Latin and Romance and other IE languages influenced by those. Also, if the Proto-Lurs were possibly Elamites, would that not make Elamite an IE language since Kurdish falls into IE?
@samanahmadi-un1pc
@samanahmadi-un1pc Ай бұрын
The Kurds are the same as the Sumerians, both in terms of geographical location and because of the similarity of the ancient works and the linguistic roots, so in order to know the language, history and culture of the Sumerians, I suggest you read this book, and it tells you with documents and evidence that the Sumerians They are Kurds, they are not Arabs, Iranians, or Turks. "THE LOST AND UNTOLD HISTORY OF THE KURDS"
@YadinZedek777
@YadinZedek777 2 жыл бұрын
I can't wait to see a video on Sinaitic, Canaanite aka Paleo-Hebrew, Phoenician, and other Semitic language's
@HistorywithCy
@HistorywithCy 2 жыл бұрын
Hopefully one day! Thanks for the suggestion, appreciate it!
@Fatherofheroesandheroines
@Fatherofheroesandheroines 2 жыл бұрын
Heres a question. If many of the Native American languages formed around this time does that make them bronze age languages as well? Or are we just qualifying them based on bronze use not time period?
@HistorywithCy
@HistorywithCy 2 жыл бұрын
I think the latter. The Bronze Age technically hit different parts of the world at different times. Great question though and thanks for watching!
@AskiatheGreat64
@AskiatheGreat64 2 жыл бұрын
Can you do a video about the biography of Taharqa who ruled from 690 BC - 664 BC?
@HistorywithCy
@HistorywithCy 2 жыл бұрын
In the future, for sure, but at the moment I'm focused on earlier dynasties. Taharqa is one of my favorite pharaohs though. I talk about him a little in an older video on Kush/Nubia a couple of years ago, so you might find that video interesting. Thanks for the suggestion, and more on the way, stay tuned!
@user-eh6th9wj5k
@user-eh6th9wj5k 2 жыл бұрын
I love ancient Mesopotamia. Thank you for the video!
@HistorywithCy
@HistorywithCy 2 жыл бұрын
My pleasure, thanks for watching!
@elguido
@elguido 2 жыл бұрын
I have always had a very strong fascination for the cuneiform languages. Thank you for this great video!
@HistorywithCy
@HistorywithCy 2 жыл бұрын
Haha yes, I know about your love of these things - glad you enjoyed this! I'll look into doing more of these in the future, stay tuned and thanks for watching!
@hermescarraro3393
@hermescarraro3393 2 жыл бұрын
Finally! That damn school project took me so many hours to make, I barelly got time to sleep. But now I can go back to my daily ritms and check this channel again. 😌
@HistorywithCy
@HistorywithCy 2 жыл бұрын
Nice, hope school is going well! No worries, watch these whenever you have the time, they're not going anywhere! Thanks again, stay safe!
@WanaxTV
@WanaxTV 2 жыл бұрын
There is no channel with as much expertise and knowledge on Mesopotamia than History with Cy! Keep it up, can’t wait for the next one!
@HistorywithCy
@HistorywithCy 2 жыл бұрын
Haha I don't know about that but thanks for watching! Lot's more on the way, stay tuned!
@kristijanpavlovic
@kristijanpavlovic 2 жыл бұрын
Definitely make more videos on languages if you can. Its amazing that you keep these videos free. They helped a lot in my first semester. Thanks!
@JB-gw8ee
@JB-gw8ee 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome video, thank you!
@connorgolden4
@connorgolden4 2 жыл бұрын
Always happy for more Mesopotamian material!
@HistorywithCy
@HistorywithCy 2 жыл бұрын
Haha then you're in luck because a lot more on the subject coming up, stay tuned and thanks for watching!
@connorgolden4
@connorgolden4 2 жыл бұрын
@@HistorywithCy can’t wait!
@robbabcock_
@robbabcock_ 2 жыл бұрын
Another great video! Thanks, Cy.🙏
@HistorywithCy
@HistorywithCy 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks man, glad you enjoyed this and lots more on the way, stay tuned!
@michaellewis7959
@michaellewis7959 2 жыл бұрын
CY!! Hello! This was a really informative episode. Loved it! Hope all is great! Your channel has grown exceptionally! Great work as always!!
@HistorywithCy
@HistorywithCy 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks my friend, glad you enjoyed this one! The channel's growth is due to committed viewers like you, so thank YOU! More on the way, stay tuned and safe!
@janetruh7476
@janetruh7476 2 жыл бұрын
Wonderful! Thank you so much for this video. ♥️
@HistorywithCy
@HistorywithCy 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks, glad you enjoyed it! More on the way, stay tuned!
@anitapollard1627
@anitapollard1627 2 жыл бұрын
Love your work, Cy 💕 keep 'em comin'!!!
@HistorywithCy
@HistorywithCy 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks, glad you enjoy it! More coming up, stay tuned!
@carlinberg
@carlinberg 2 жыл бұрын
Super interesting! Looking forward to more language videos! :D
@HistorywithCy
@HistorywithCy 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks, I hope to have more on the topic in the near future, stay tuned!
@fredericpaes7288
@fredericpaes7288 2 жыл бұрын
I would love to see a longer and more complete video about sumerian language!
@HistorywithCy
@HistorywithCy 2 жыл бұрын
I'll look into it something more on the languages in this video or others from different region. Thanks for watching, really appreciate it!
@pollos9238
@pollos9238 2 жыл бұрын
Yooooo the quality went up by 1000%! I love how the new maps show the mountains and more detailed waterways. Keep it up!
@HistorywithCy
@HistorywithCy 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks, I'm slowly transitioning to adding mountains on all of the maps, but so far I just have them on this one main map of ancient Mesopotamia. Hopefully other videos will have the same. Thanks for watching, really appreciate it and stay tuned for more!
@historydocumentary
@historydocumentary 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the great video
@HistorywithCy
@HistorywithCy 2 жыл бұрын
My pleasure, thanks for watching!
@avivlamech-kalambi519
@avivlamech-kalambi519 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this! A topic I've always been fascinated by and wanted answers to.
@HistorywithCy
@HistorywithCy 2 жыл бұрын
You're welcome, glad it was helpful!
@brianduffy4682
@brianduffy4682 2 жыл бұрын
You are a true resource to ancient history. I recently went back to your Cyprus bronze age show after reading about a finding off Isreal of cypriot ignots that were forged in Sardinia. The finding reavaled that Cyprus was more developed than previously thought. Your show detailed the south eastern part of Sardinia as part of their expansive trade network(and where the material came.from) I was and am still glad to know that your shows help give better understanding to that article and the ancient world overall. Keep up the good work!
@alissa6
@alissa6 2 жыл бұрын
There was no land or state that was called Israel before 1948.
@HistorywithCy
@HistorywithCy 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks, it's been a while since I've done something on Cyprus... would like to revisit the topic sometime soon. Thanks for watching, really appreciate it and more on the way, stay tuned and safe!
@road-eo6911
@road-eo6911 2 жыл бұрын
@@alissa6 There was a Kingdom of Israel though? It lasted from 1500 BCE to 500 BCE
@alissa6
@alissa6 2 жыл бұрын
@@road-eo6911 And where's your ancient references for that? None pf the ancient people called it Israel, they all called it Palestine.
@joeshmoe8345
@joeshmoe8345 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Cy that was super duper interesting
@HistorywithCy
@HistorywithCy 2 жыл бұрын
You're welcome and thanks for watching, really appreciate it!
@artkoenig9434
@artkoenig9434 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks, Cy! This was an enlightening presentation. I have wondered where Kassite and Hurrian came from. There is a Hurrian Hymn available on KZfaq, but I don't know if any lyrics are out there.
@HistorywithCy
@HistorywithCy 2 жыл бұрын
You're welcome! Oh, I think I've seen it... I think the channel's name is "I Love Languages" or something like that. I honestly can't confirm if that's how it really sounded, but I'll see if I can find it online. Thanks for watching and more on the way, stay tuned and safe!
@davidfigueroa6351
@davidfigueroa6351 Жыл бұрын
I'm going to show up every time I can just to say that Cy absolutely rocks! I mean like, absolutely. Great work man.
@rilosvideos877
@rilosvideos877 4 ай бұрын
Much appreciated! Really great history channel - love it! Do you have any academic degree in history?
@indramuhammad1942
@indramuhammad1942 2 жыл бұрын
Are Sumerian, Elamite, Mannaea, pelasgian, ancient minoa, Hurro-urartu, Kassites, Darvidia, and Gutian also included in the ancient Proto-Semetic languages?
@HistorywithCy
@HistorywithCy 2 жыл бұрын
Hi, thanks for your question... no, to my knowledge they are all separate. Sumerian and Elamite are isolates, Gutian most likely not because Sumerian texts, which we have to remember with very biased against the Gutians, seem to imply that their language was something unintelligible (they would have been familiar with basic Semitic languages), Hurrian-Urartian is unknown but many believe that they originated in the Caucasus, Kassite some people believe that it might have been an Indo-European language because they had chariots and were skilled horsemen (like many other Indo-European speaking peoples), but this doesn't necessarily prove that their language was IE. The others I don't know, but I think that with Mannaeans, it's likely that they spoke a language similar to Urartian based on their geographic location and some Mannaean names found in Neo-Assyrian texts. Great question though!
@alissa6
@alissa6 2 жыл бұрын
There's a Gutian king by the name of Ibranum, which got me thinking of how close it is to the name Ibrahim. There's also other mesopotamian rulers with names like Išme-Dagān and Išme-Shamash that looks close to Ismail but only with different deities at the end.
@davidbarber3821
@davidbarber3821 2 жыл бұрын
Thx Cy!
@HistorywithCy
@HistorywithCy 2 жыл бұрын
You're welcome!
@bulletclub3320
@bulletclub3320 2 жыл бұрын
CY is one of the best channels around. Loved this!
@HistorywithCy
@HistorywithCy 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the honor, really appreciate it! More on the way, stay tuned and safe!
@shanecarubbi7864
@shanecarubbi7864 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks cy!
@HistorywithCy
@HistorywithCy 2 жыл бұрын
You're welcome, thanks for watching!
@PoliticalFuturism
@PoliticalFuturism 2 жыл бұрын
As usual, another killer video!
@HistorywithCy
@HistorywithCy 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks, glad you enjoyed it! More coming up, stay tuned!
@arturiwinski9473
@arturiwinski9473 2 жыл бұрын
I love this video! Do you plan to touch upon other geographical regions' languages or are you going to limit yourself to near east for now? I find this topic especially fascinating.
@HistorywithCy
@HistorywithCy 2 жыл бұрын
Hi, thanks for watching, really appreciate it! At the moment I'll probably stick to the near east since that's the region I'm most familiar with regard to ancient languages. The next one might be something on Indo-European or old Iranian languages (Avesta, Old Persian, etc). I have some knowledge of those so will do something on that topic eventually. Thanks for watching, really appreciate it and more on the way, stay tuned and safe!
@agnelomascarenhas8990
@agnelomascarenhas8990 2 жыл бұрын
Cy thanks for the video. Maps showing language names/centers and language divergence trees are useful. Very interesting!, "interesting" is translated as um ... I know little, much uncertainty and need to catch up!
@HistorywithCy
@HistorywithCy 2 жыл бұрын
You're welcome, glad you enjoyed it! Haha, by that definition, most of us, including myself are "interesting" since there are countless things to learn and new topics to explore further. Thanks for watching, really appreciate it and more on the way, stay tuned and safe!
@ColleenJousma
@ColleenJousma 2 жыл бұрын
I love your long videos, but I also appreciate these shorter ones because I currently don't have the time to watch a full one.
@HistorywithCy
@HistorywithCy 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks, glad you enjoy both formats! I'll do more of both... longer ones with shorter ones to supplement them. Thanks for watching, really appreciate it!
@promiscuous5761
@promiscuous5761 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you..
@HistorywithCy
@HistorywithCy 2 жыл бұрын
You're welcome!
@richardboli482
@richardboli482 11 ай бұрын
Never heard of this people until now thanks
@avivlamech-kalambi519
@avivlamech-kalambi519 2 жыл бұрын
Could you do a similiar video for different languages of different regions during different areas? Such as the Americas, or Europe?
@ravensthatflywiththenightm7319
@ravensthatflywiththenightm7319 2 жыл бұрын
Can you make other videos about the Bronze Age languages? My desire to know more intensifies.
@HistorywithCy
@HistorywithCy 2 жыл бұрын
Am definitely looking into it, stay tuned and thanks for watching!
@ravensthatflywiththenightm7319
@ravensthatflywiththenightm7319 2 жыл бұрын
@@HistorywithCy Thank you! And looking forward to it already!
@user-pf1zd1xh1f
@user-pf1zd1xh1f 10 ай бұрын
Thank you for this video. I found it very interesting and gave me some new insight to better understand the Sematic languages. Probably you would also be surprised to learn that Latin and ancient Greek languages were also some how linked to the Sematic languages and had things in common and also had quite few words taken from Arabic or Aramaic. As I am interested in history, I think I would like to reach out to you. If you didn't mind. How to contact you?
@Artur_M.
@Artur_M. 2 жыл бұрын
A fascinating topic! Sorry I didn't watch this video sooner. I've been preoccupied with current events. It was nice to take a little break from worrying about them.
@HistorywithCy
@HistorywithCy 2 жыл бұрын
No worries, I'm in the same boat... been glued to the news for days and not been able to focus on much else outside of work. Stay safe my friend!
@Artur_M.
@Artur_M. 2 жыл бұрын
@@HistorywithCy Thanks, you too!
@quickideas100
@quickideas100 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the education. Please would it be possible to contact you personally?
@hankwilliams150
@hankwilliams150 2 жыл бұрын
Wonderful video. I learned so much!
@HistorywithCy
@HistorywithCy 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks, glad you enjoyed it! More on the way, stay tuned!
@Malaks_Missing_Lower_Jaw
@Malaks_Missing_Lower_Jaw 2 жыл бұрын
I might’ve missed it-is Elamite at all related to Sumerian or Akkadian, other than adopting the written (as it were) cuneiform system?
@HistorywithCy
@HistorywithCy 2 жыл бұрын
Hi! No, Elamite is a language isolate - not related to any known language group or family. There is one theory that it might be related to south Indian languages (proto-Tamil or something like that) but there is little evidence to really prove this, just a few words that sound similar, at least from what I've read. Hope this helps and thanks for watching!
@isaachartogensis9112
@isaachartogensis9112 2 жыл бұрын
Great video! But I was wondering how we know that the Sumerian language was no longer spoken, because the records are still in Sumerian
@bogdannarancic5763
@bogdannarancic5763 2 жыл бұрын
There is a decline in commercial and administrative texts in particular, which indicates that merchants, most of whom didn't achieve the same degree of literacy as e.g. clergy, were no longer using the language. There were probably still small, isolated communities that continued to use it, it's just that for the wider society of the time, it was a relic of the past and reduced to a liturgical language. This development is comparable to some degree with what happened to Coptic in Egypt after the gradual Arabisation of the Nile Valley. Also, one can see over time a decline in the quality of new written Sumerian texts with weird grammatical constructions, which leads most philologists in the field to conclude that Sumerian for these scribes was a language as foreign as it is to most of us today, save for its writing system.
@isaachartogensis9112
@isaachartogensis9112 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you, that helps
@alissa6
@alissa6 2 жыл бұрын
@@bogdannarancic5763 Coptic is Greek though, not semitic like ancient Egyptian and Arabic.
@bogdannarancic5763
@bogdannarancic5763 2 жыл бұрын
@@alissa6 Coptic is Afroasiatic, though from a different, non-Semitic branch, and is the direct descendant of Late Egyptian. It is the language natively spoken by Egyptians from late antiquity to the XVIIIth century, when it was finally supplanted by Arabic throughout the Nile Valley as a spoken language and demoted to a liturgical language amongst the Coptic Church. It is only its script which is mostly Greek-derived.
@alissa6
@alissa6 2 жыл бұрын
@@bogdannarancic5763 Nope, the language it self too os also Greek. Most Greeks today understand it. If it was actually native Egyptian, the Greeks wouldn't understand a bit of it. So Arabic did not replace the original.
@vvvci
@vvvci 2 жыл бұрын
awesome video Cy! Do you know what the Sumerians, Akkadians or later peoples called the region? "Mesopotamia" is a GREEK term - and is so jarring and incongruous in comparison with all the other city, kingdoms, and place names of the regions we see and hear. (For example, "Egypt" is also a non-native term later peoples assigned to the lands along the Nile river, I believe the native Egyptians called their land Khemet")
@Joyride37
@Joyride37 Жыл бұрын
I learned arabic some years back and the regions name is بِلَاد ٱلرَّافِدَيْن (Bilād ar-Rāfidayn) or بَيْن ٱلنَّهْرَيْن (Bayn an-Nahrayn), which mean land between two rivers. Mesopotamia is likely a Greek calque (or loaned translation) from an old Aramaic term that meant the same thing, and the Aramaic term comes from an Akkadian one--birit narim--which also means the same thing. You can see the linguistic similarity between "birit narim" and "Bayn an-Nahrayn" since Arabic and and Akkadian are distant cousins. The name has never changed, only which language is saying the same phrase over and over.
@ALIKN1-1
@ALIKN1-1 2 жыл бұрын
5:23 Aramaic 🧐
@hamishlove5248
@hamishlove5248 2 жыл бұрын
What microphone are you using?
@HistorywithCy
@HistorywithCy 2 жыл бұрын
A Blue Yeti.
@hamishlove5248
@hamishlove5248 2 жыл бұрын
@@HistorywithCy ty
@qaimaqyakh2708
@qaimaqyakh2708 2 жыл бұрын
Would be cool to see something about Helmand Civilization, we had Jiroft Civilization and Oxus Civilization so it's appropriate to have something about it, linking both modern Afghanistan and Iran
@nimmira
@nimmira 2 жыл бұрын
I wonder if more information can be presented about Eblaite. I read once that this language specifically has features that disappeared from the rest of the Semetic spectrum and only Arabic preserved them. Not sure what these features are though (but I'm guessing Nunation maybe?).
@alissa6
@alissa6 2 жыл бұрын
Words as well. For instance Malik is still used in Arabic and both mean king.
@nimmira
@nimmira 2 жыл бұрын
@@alissa6 Malik is used in Eblaite? I wouldn't be surprised much about words really since all are Semetic but it would be interesting to peak into grammar and words order etc
@alissa6
@alissa6 2 жыл бұрын
@@nimmira Also another word that is also used in Arabic with the same meaning in Eblaite is "Qum" which means "rise/arise". I've also found out a lot of Akkadian words that are the same in Arabic.
@nimmira
@nimmira 2 жыл бұрын
@@alissa6 Yes, I remember many Akkadian words out there same as Arabic, but with changing S to š or N to L. Akkadian also has Mimation which is probably the original form of Nunation in Arabic, but I'm not sure about Eblaite.
@maryblessing2205
@maryblessing2205 Жыл бұрын
The connection of the biblical story of Nimrod and the Tower of Babel makes a lot of sense with the languages. ❤
@yaruqadishi8326
@yaruqadishi8326 2 жыл бұрын
Yes very cool.
@HistorywithCy
@HistorywithCy 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@Flozone1
@Flozone1 2 жыл бұрын
As for the language of the Ubaid people. It is really hard to tell what is Sumerian and what is Pre-Sumerian or whether Sumerian even is indigenous to Mesopotamia or not. The usual arguments whether words are of Pre-Sumerian origin are often unconvincing. Names of places should be mentioned here, that the name of cities are often completely unrelated to the way they are written, Lagash is written as SHI.BUR.LA for example, Ur is SHESH.AB, what do these names even represent? In the case of Nippur as NUN.KI it seems almost obvious that it might be the princely city, but as for the others I have no idea. Are you familiar with the Euphratic hypothesis by Gordon Whittaker? He tries to identify a lot of Pre-Sumerian vocabulary and assumes a non-Mesopotamian origin of the Sumerians.
@michaeldeierhoi4096
@michaeldeierhoi4096 2 жыл бұрын
This is a good overview of the Mesopotamian languages going back to Sumerian which appears to be first that we know about. I look forward to more in depth videos on this subject.
@mikkopenttila7604
@mikkopenttila7604 2 жыл бұрын
3:50 "...around 330 BC." An excellent video as usual, but this isn't your first video, where you get a date mixed up like that. It's a minor detail to be sure, but since you've already put so much work into these videos, I don't think it would add any difficulty for you to do a quick number review before you publish. 🙂
@HistorywithCy
@HistorywithCy 2 жыл бұрын
Hi, thanks for the comment. Yeah, it was a slip of the tongue and some one pointed that out earlier. However, if you read the caption, it gives the correct date(s), so hopefully people will see that and know the correct date. I do review review every video, sometimes multiple times looking for typos or graphics that might look funny, but when you're working into the wee hours of the night and have deadlines to meet, it sometimes happens, at least to me. Thanks for watching, really appreciate it!
@mikkopenttila7604
@mikkopenttila7604 2 жыл бұрын
​@@HistorywithCy And thanks for your reply! From the tone of your reply I gather that the tone of mine wasn't too harsh, so I'll add this: most of us watching this are English speakers so we don't use the captions. I definitely couldn't do what you do so I can't give advice, but I can maybe make a suggestion - could you maybe have another person do a quick review before publishing? Anyone who's done a bit of writing knows, that if you work on a piece for a length of time, you'd tend to become blind to your own typos and such due to fatigue, if the program itself didn't highlight them for you. Thanks again for all your hard work that makes your channels one of the best history channels on KZfaq and - not one - but THE most underrated.
@HistorywithCy
@HistorywithCy 2 жыл бұрын
@@mikkopenttila7604 Hi! Actually, it's just me... I don't know anyone else who would want to review these before (not many people as interested in this stuff I guess). Oh, by the caption I meant the one for the Proto-cuneiform tablet that says 3300-3100 BC. Thanks for the advice, appreciate it!
@mikkopenttila7604
@mikkopenttila7604 2 жыл бұрын
@@HistorywithCy If I lived near you I would do it but alas...
@Alusnovalotus
@Alusnovalotus 2 жыл бұрын
3:50 You mean 3,300 bce. Right? Good video overall.
@HistorywithCy
@HistorywithCy 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, slip of the tongue on my part. Thanks for watching and catching that, appreciate it!
@clarenceonyekwere5428
@clarenceonyekwere5428 2 жыл бұрын
It just randomly occurred to me while watching this video (should have since) that ancient war fronts must have been a cacophony of languages. From the battle of Kadesh till today, language differences must have been a key part of warfare, trade and peace.
@HistorywithCy
@HistorywithCy 2 жыл бұрын
That's a good point. Makes sense since a lot of marginalized groups and peoples lived in remote areas away from the centralized authorities or were purposely kept as far away from the seat of power as possible due to them being troublemakers or a threat. I'm reminded of how groups like Amorites and Aramaeans are portrayed in Sumerian and Assyrian texts initially as uncivilized rabble rousers who lived on the peripheries of civilized societies and spoke with "unrefined speech." Language then like today made up a lot of one's identity. Thanks for watching, really appreciate it!
@rodolfogonzalez724
@rodolfogonzalez724 2 жыл бұрын
I found your lack of trust on Paraguay disturbing
@HistorywithCy
@HistorywithCy 2 жыл бұрын
Haha it's true though, a lot of these pirate sites are based in Paraguay, Moldova or Western Sahara, or at least their domain names and IP addresses are from there! Even my Paraguayan friend used tell me "never trust such sites!" But, for a while while living in Brasil, that was the only way that I could watch shows from the US until I got a vpn. Anyway, thanks for watching, really appreciate it... more on the way, stay safe!
@henkstersmacro-world
@henkstersmacro-world 2 жыл бұрын
👍👍👍
@HistorywithCy
@HistorywithCy 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@Emcee_Squared
@Emcee_Squared 2 жыл бұрын
Great video! I am curious to know more about this Ubaidian culture that existed prior to the sumerians... Were they the founders of Eridu, and are they the creators of cuneiform or is that honor given to the sumerians. How do we know of their language from sumerian texts? How can we tell some words are sumerian and some are ubaidian?
@michaeldeierhoi4096
@michaeldeierhoi4096 2 жыл бұрын
I followed this subject with great interest as well lately. From what I can discern Cuneiform was preceded by Proto-Cuneiform and because the Ubaid preceded the Sumerian it likely developed the Proto-Cuneiform. The video states that this Proto-Cuneiform first appeared in the artifact record about 3300 BC. The Ubaid started as far back as 6500 years BC so as far as we know they lived quite a number of years in Mesopotamia before they developed the early form Cuneiform. This early Cuneiform was at first defined by pictographs for a few hundred years until the Third Milennia when the Sumerians 2900--2500 refined the hundreds of pictographs into a few dozen characters which became the Cuneiform notation. I don't know about the Eridu connection, but keep watching. These videos may reveal that as well.
@Emcee_Squared
@Emcee_Squared 2 жыл бұрын
@@michaeldeierhoi4096 Great info! From my understanding, the founding of Eridu precedes the Sumerian period, that is why I think it might have been founded by the Ubaidians, and perhaps at some point was either conquered or peacefully settled by Sumerians. Its a very hazy part of history which is why it fascinates me more.
@michaeldeierhoi4096
@michaeldeierhoi4096 2 жыл бұрын
@@Emcee_Squared One of the fascinating facts about the Sumerians is the incredible number clay tablets found with Cuneiform script. Like a 100,000 or more! Apparently they kept track of everything especially as it related to products bought and sold, grain, domestic animals, etc etc. I also get the impression that the Ubaid people were the ancestors of the Sumerians so they weren't conquered. One culture developed into another. I can't confirm that. I still very much in research mode. Thanks for commenting back so soon.
@Emcee_Squared
@Emcee_Squared 2 жыл бұрын
@@michaeldeierhoi4096 It is certainly possibly that the Ubaid people evolved into the Sumerians, but I have also heard that they may have arrived around 5000 years ago from the persian gulf. I believe researchers have traced heir DNA to south Asia. There is a small minority of scholars who believe their language is distantly related to Dravidian, the language of the southern indian subcontinent. I don't think there is enough evidence for that, however. I do think it's possibly they arrived, merged with the ubaid people, influenced them and were inluenced by them, and eventually a new culture developed, as we see so many times throughout history. Right around that time, 2900 BC, there is archaeological evidence for a cataclysmic flood in that area, probably what inspired the mesopotamian flood stories. It may have created enough turmoil, a power vacuum, or some kind of change to allow this new culture to come to dominate the region.
@michaeldeierhoi4096
@michaeldeierhoi4096 2 жыл бұрын
@@Emcee_Squared Hopefully continued research will reveal more of the past Sumerian and Ubaid history. Fascinating stuff.
@beepboop204
@beepboop204 2 жыл бұрын
👍
@HistorywithCy
@HistorywithCy 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@AbdulHannanAbdulMatheen
@AbdulHannanAbdulMatheen 2 жыл бұрын
👏🙂
@HistorywithCy
@HistorywithCy 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@Janizzary
@Janizzary 2 жыл бұрын
Is "Ubaidian" the same as Proto-Euphratean? I believe that a pre-Sumerian language substrate isn't fully accepted by historians.
@decimusausoniusmagnus5719
@decimusausoniusmagnus5719 2 жыл бұрын
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@HistorywithCy
@HistorywithCy 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching and hope you enjoyed it! More on the way, stay tuned and safe!
@SamuelLanghorn
@SamuelLanghorn 3 ай бұрын
I am looking for a half decent show on Grotefend. So far no luck. What you find on KZfaq is pretty much a disgrace (e.g. people just reading from Wikipedia 😞) Your show it not too bad (yeah, it is extremely difficult to present longer time periods in a captivating manner). Can you make a show on Grotefend? (I would even offer to assist you as I can read his native tongue).
@YadinZedek777
@YadinZedek777 2 жыл бұрын
What did they speak in Jericho going back 9,000 BCE?
@HistorywithCy
@HistorywithCy 2 жыл бұрын
Good question, I'm not sure. My opinion is that I don't think it's anything that would really fit into one of our languages groups from today, but who knows. If I find some info on this, I'll post it here. Thanks for watching, really appreciate it!
@rafaelfcf
@rafaelfcf 2 жыл бұрын
When you listen to samba in a channel about Ancient Mesopotamia... 💃🧕🥁🎶
@HistorywithCy
@HistorywithCy 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you, love your enthusiasm for this stuff! More on the way, stay tuned and safe!
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@casparcoaster1936
@casparcoaster1936 2 жыл бұрын
Hurrian comes from India... vedic sanskrit
@samanahmadi-un1pc
@samanahmadi-un1pc Ай бұрын
The Kurds are the same as the Sumerians, both in terms of geographical location and because of the similarity of the ancient works and the linguistic roots, so in order to know the language, history and culture of the Sumerians, I suggest you read this book, and it tells you with documents and evidence that the Sumerians They are Kurds, they are not Arabs, Iranians, or Turks. "THE LOST AND UNTOLD HISTORY OF THE KURDS"
@rosangelaribeiro768
@rosangelaribeiro768 2 жыл бұрын
Languages semitic family
@alexcholagh8330
@alexcholagh8330 2 жыл бұрын
Aramiac still exists. It's called chaldean Assyrian mandean and syriac languages. Don't use the term Aramean which is a derogatory term.
@HistorywithCy
@HistorywithCy 2 жыл бұрын
Hi, thanks for your comment. I have never heard of Aramean being a derogatory term. In the context of this video and amongst historians in general, it's the name used for an Iron Age people as well as several kingdoms that populated much of Mesopotamia, especially the north, and whose language of Aramaic became the dominate language for centuries until the Greek supplanted it in most areas. I don't know if today some people use it as such, but all scholars use this term and I have never seen it used in a negative way. If you have some sources on this, I'd be curious to read them because obviously, I don't want to offend anyone, I just am not aware of such connotations for the term. Thanks!
@alexcholagh8330
@alexcholagh8330 2 жыл бұрын
@@HistorywithCy I'm a chaldean myself. The term Aramean is a derogatory for chaldeans Assyrians mandeans and other syriacs. It's an insulting term originated from the 18th for chaldeans Assyrians mandeans and syriacs who are ashamed of there origin backround and religion and the term Aramean Is also is an offensive term for ex Catholics/Orthodox/mandean who convert to protestant or is decendants of converts. We prefer chaldeans Assyrians syriacs mandean or Aramiac syriac tribes.
@alexcholagh8330
@alexcholagh8330 2 жыл бұрын
It originated in the 18th century for chaldeans Assyrians and other syriacs who abandoned there faith for Protestantism and for British rule in Iraq between 1840 to 1958.
@quickideas100
@quickideas100 2 жыл бұрын
Since the Hebrew alphabet don't have letter 'J', where did the 'Lord Jesus Christ' came from.
@Nimroud
@Nimroud 2 жыл бұрын
as usual, good history videos, yet I’d like to point something out regarding the Assyrian, Akkadian and Babylonian languages, especially the first two, they existed thousands of years before anything called semitic came to be. I understand it’s a linguistic term adopted by linguists and historians to group what’s called a family of languages, yet it is wrong and way off. how can any of the older Mesopotamians speak a semitic tongue before the patriarch of their linguistic namesake even existed? i’ve researched the timelines , Shem, according to jewish sources, was born between 2300-2100 bc, but he Assyrian cities of Aššur, Erbil, Nineveh were founded between 6000-4000 bc. it is just a mathematical impossibility that Mesopotamians could speak a tongue named after a jewish creation story character, thousands of years before he walked the earth, assuming he was a real person and not myth. there is nothing semitic outside of judea or israel itself, and they don’t even have a history there prior to 1300 bc, again according to their own texts and records, therefore this linguistic term is an absolute fallacy, and very much tarnishes the identity of the aforementioned Mesopotamians which deserve their own linguistic term, more so than their neighbors, just due to their longevity of existence there. Nineveh, the oldest Assyrian city was founded by 6000 BC, with Erbil and Aššur following soon after, predating the arrival of the Sumerians by at least 1000 years, yet no linguistic credit and respect is given to Assyrians, and are instead, swept under the much fabricated and late semitic or dialect of Akkadian rug. A term with more meaning, like Indo-European or even indo-iranian should be duelly given to the Assyrian language and all that seem related. as with IE languages, this term should describe a geographic region, a culture and people, semitic does neither of which, therefore a much more suiting term would be Assyro-Levantine or Assyro-Akkadic. This would be eqaually and fairly as descriptive as Indo-Iranian. A nation that was the first true empire, trade empire, standing military, university, zoo, aqueducts, and so many more firsts is more than deserving of its own linguistic term that would serve as the umbrella term for all languages that were either related or influenced by it, and nothing would be more fitting than both, Assyro-Levantine and Assyro-Akkadic. Just because academia continues to regurgitate a false term, doesn’t mean we independent researchers or students have to.
@suranumitu7734
@suranumitu7734 2 жыл бұрын
I have a feeling you probably don't care about being corrected, but I just wanna tell you you're getting all hung up about nothing. The name 'semitic' is just the modern name given to this language family, it doesn't actually claim any real-world relation to the biblical figure of Shem. Judaeo-Christian mythology is not a source for historical linguistics. It's just a name. Btw, naming traditions in historical linguistics are often a bit questionable. Look at the Germanic languages for example. Originally none of these people called themselves Germanic, thats's a name the Romans gave to the tribes living north of their borders. Also you say there should be a more geography-based name for the language family, but there already is: Afro-Asiatic is the name of the family that Semitic is a branch of. Just like Germanic is a branch of Indo-European. Also yes, some Mesopotamian cities are way older than the earliest attestation of Semitic languages. So what? Archaeological evidence strongly suggests that the people who founded and originally populated these early settlements were ethno-linguistically distinct from both the Sumerians as well as the Semitic speaking peoples who later came to dominate the region. At least that's the scholarly consensus. If you claim to know better than literally all experts in the field, I'd love to see your evidence (being confused about naming conventions and changes in population is not evidence btw).
@Nimroud
@Nimroud 2 жыл бұрын
@šurānumītu you haven't said one thing that I don't already know about, and you are far from having " corrected " me. If as you say, ( which many would disagree because there are people who do take the Ibrahimic scripts, Torah, Bible, Islam ) literally, " it's just a Linguistic group that doesn't signify any particular ethnicities, than what's your problem with me suggesting the EXACT equivalence of Indo-Iranian to the Assyrian/Akkadian langauges? Do you also have a problem with Indo-Iranian or Indo-European? Do you have a problem with Ural-Altaic as well, or just me suggesting an equal term for the so-called semitic languages? Sorry but you've honestly said nothing other than show your defense for the silly judaic term that no Mesopotamian ever heard of in their time, while our ancestors Clearly already told and showed us who they were. Good try though. P.S. Afro-Asiatic is a ridiculously general term because there are literally hundreds if not thousands of languages in Africa that have zero connection to languages of the Levant and Fertile Crescent. Just a few languages maybe, ( Ethiopic, Eritrean, possibly Amharic ) that may be related does not validate the " Semitizing" of the entire continent of Africa. Point is, we need a much more accurate term for any languages mislabeled as semitic, and since all scholars and linguists already agree that Akkadian is the Linguistic Patriarch and Proto, that I'm not wrong to suggest Assyro-Akkadic. Ethnically or Linguistically, semitic says absolutely nothing about a people, culture or language, and it should be replaced.
@Vintage_Recreations
@Vintage_Recreations 2 жыл бұрын
@@Nimroud You have an interesting new flavor of "anti-semitism" that I have never seen before. Food for thought.
@alissa6
@alissa6 2 жыл бұрын
@@Nimroud Unlike the Jewish and Christians, in Islam prophet Noah and his children lived millions of years ago, not 2200 BC.
@alissa6
@alissa6 2 жыл бұрын
Also the empires of Ebla, Sumer(Adab), Akkad and neo-Sumeria came before any Assyrian world power. Heck the one that created the first Assyrian world power was an Amorite, and Amorites were from Syria not Uruk.
@rajarampachiappan2279
@rajarampachiappan2279 7 күн бұрын
Sumerian language "isolated"! Elamyte language "isolated" Indus valleyl lang"isolated"! Dravidian language "isolated"! But indo european languages Sorang from bengal in india To end of Europe all languages Are united in the name "Undo European"! What a drama!
@vinrusso821
@vinrusso821 2 жыл бұрын
Hurrian is Indo European. Why are you avoiding talking about that? As are some others you talk about.
@suranumitu7734
@suranumitu7734 2 жыл бұрын
No it's not. Hurrian and Urartian are in their own little language family, possibly related to modern Northeast Caucasian languages.
@il967
@il967 2 жыл бұрын
It was still in the steppes during that era
@HistorywithCy
@HistorywithCy 2 жыл бұрын
Hi, thanks for your comment. No, it's not been proven that Hurrian itself is an Indo-European language. The confusion might come because when the Hurrians organized into the Kingdom of the Mitanni, it is possible that that ruling class spoke an Indo-European language because their names as well as some their of practices were similar to those of other Indo-European speaking peoples, but the Hurrian language itself is not believed to have been an IE language. Thanks, stay safe!
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