Photoshop remained pretty much the same regarding menu structure and tools. I had an a Q6600 with an old Photoshop 7.0 (licensed) and I used it for making event posters until a few years ago. And that was 2002-2003 technology.

Oh, yeah! Now I'm on Windows 11, but at next boot l'm back in the early 90's with a machine from the future which in unbelievably compatible ... My special touch to this Windows 3.1 installation was to add a PCI to SATA adapter.

you can use USB 2.0-to-ISA slot hardware if need to use ISA cards on modern computer ...

If you don't have PCI slots, you can buy as many adapters as you want and the problem is solved. Many PCI cards are low profile so they still can fit nice on top of the adapter in a regular ATX case.

@@mccafferyfamilyUSB means that it's only for Windows applications.

@@victormancini3002 there are some USB drivers for MS-DOS and Win3.1. The approach that we use , as my company specialise in legacy app migration, is to emulate the DOS/Win3.1 app driver and transfer the calls to a 64-bit Windows / Linux driver

@@victormancini3002 with this USB h/w the hardware appears as ISA card to application

I use an "Intel Gigabit CT Desktop Adapter". Intel still provides DOS NDIS drivers for their gigabit cards. These drivers can be used up to Windows 98SE. The networking part is by far the easiest to implement in Windows 3.x. There are lots of 10/100 PCI cards with actual Windows 3.x drivers. (but I don't have a free PCI slot for one of those cards)

@@O_mores Wow that's good to know!

@@O_mores I see, the wired part is secured! I wonder there are any wireless cards for Windows 3.x?

@@adriano90210 There were wireless cards during the Windows 3.1 era but most of them are using WaveLAN technology - which is somehow a foundation for 802.11 standard but not the same and not compatible. You have to find a post 1997 card with 802.11 compliant Windows 3.1 drivers if you intend to use it in a Wi-Fi environment.

Yeah, "Win98 SE rulez"!

Just did the basic benchmarks using PhilsComputerLab pack. Quake in pure DOS mode: 297fps @320 and 97fps @640. Voodoo 3 is not a 2D monster but it's good enough.

@@O_mores is that software mode or OpenGL/Glide?

@@TonySquared09 Software mode.

I just have installed MH32BIT.386 and it doesn't look happy with my drives. I got this info screen about "Physical drive number 80,81,82 and 83" -> "Compatibility test: FAILED. Error Code: 02." Windows did boot fine, no crash. Anyways, the actual speed using some random SSD via INT13H is greater than using an Windows 3.x era IDE drive with proper controller and drivers. In 1995 the average throughput of an IDE drive was about 5MB/s.

Yes, Windows 3.1 it's fast even on a Pentium 75, but to put it in perspective this installation it s a part of my "all in one" Windows machine, along Windows 95,98,Me & NT based.

On Pentium III- 800 it is FAST indeed)

I was a big Calmira fan when I had Win 3.11 installed on a ThinkPad 360 (486 DX2/50) but now I have Windows 95 on the same machine, I just have to press F9 and select the next SSD. :) Speaking of modern hardware, this motherboard can take a Ryzen 59xx also, so theoretically we can run Windows 3.11 in 2022 on a CPU that is available to buy new.

@@O_mores On a hardware this modern, how was the drivers? I mean, how many integrated things are useable in old Windows versions?

@@zsombor_99 Yes, the drivers are the big challenge...but it is totally doable if you have PCI slots, ori PCI-E to PCI adapters. For Windows 9x/NT/2000 I have a PCI-E 1x to USB card with VIA6212 chip, which is Windows 98 compatible out of the box. This card solved the USB problem for Windows NT4.0, 95 (it installs but it's not really useful in 95), 98, 2000, XP and newer. Voodoo 3 works in Windows 3.11, NT 3.51/4 and newer. Sound -> there are many PCI sound cards to do the job. For example, sound cards with CMI8738 chip work from Windows 95 to Windows 11.

NT 3.51 & 4GB RAM = no problem! (3.5GB actually) Multi CPU in NT 3.51 needs MultiProcessor Specification (MPS) support at the BIOS level and this is not a thing for newer motherboards. If you want multi CPU in NT 3.51, there are some socket 775 and early Intel Core motherboards (like socket 1156) with MPS support.

Hello. My Windows 3.x won't run unless you have the exact same hardware. It's not plug and play like Windows 95. The good news... is that you don't need any workarounds to make it work, just install it from DOS. Here is how to perform the DOS part: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/jqmRfbB9krOcYGw.html and here you can download Windows 3.11 : winworldpc.com/product/windows-3/wfw-311

This can be fixed by editing VGALOGO.RLE. For me, didn't work from the first try. I will try again. Anyways this is how you do it: "Post by empireum » Sat Mar 01, 2008 4:39 pm It's in Windows\System\VGALOGO.RLE. However, after editing it, you have to create a new win.com file as far as I know. To do this, create/modify your logo, save it somewhere as VGALOGO.RLE, then backup \Windows\WIN.COM, \Windows\System\VGALOGO.LGO and \Windows\System\VGALOGO.RLE (original logo), create win.com: copy /b \windows\win.cnf + \windows\system\vgalogo.lgo + \your ew\vgalogo.lgo \windows\win.com Also copy your new VGALOGO.RLE to \windows\system. The logo mustn't exceed a certain file size though, and I believe there's also a limit in image size, but don't ask me where it is. If something goes wrong (i.e. Windows refuses to load), restore the old files and try again.

Indeed, the 5000 series BIOS update it's a mess. DOS it's working but Windows 3.11 not. Most likely the issue it's related to RAM operation. The PCI bus software also gets updated. The initial BIOS from july 2019 and the later updates from 2020 are fine, and I'm using now 07.21.2020 BIOS (X47BG721.BST AGESA ComboAM4 PI 1.0.0.6 update) which is perfectly compatible with all Windows versions.

@@O_mores really sucks that it broke with the 5000 series update, especially since i have a 5700 now, hope it gets fixed eventually

@@alyncat Maybe it will get fixed... I hope. Anyways, these AMI BIOSes are editable. I will try to combine the old BIOS modules with modules from the latest release. The ideea is to update only the CPU modules and keep the rest as it was...

@@O_mores alright i hope it works, best of luck to you

Indeed, I have a TNT Ultra PCI. But I'm also interested on compatibility with NT 3.51 and this Voodoo 3 also works in NT 3.51/4.

@@O_mores Thank you. That's good to know.

I will make soon a "how to" video, please subscribe and you'll get a notification hopefully. I don't think CPU is too fast, I did experiments with Windows 3.11 on a i7-3770 @ 3.4 Ghz and the networking was perfectly fine, including Microsoft TCP/IP. Some problems are disk related specifically to this configuration. I have many SSDs and partitions on this machine. Another active FAT16 partition on another drive was causing Windows 3.11 not to boot or to quit unexpectedly when I accessed that drive.

@@O_mores Oh I have WFW 3.11 on a P4, I had to pull half the ram out to get down to 256 for it not to crash, another oddity is that installing Win32s seems to kill it. I need to try alternative himem.sys/emm386 to restrict memory to see how that behaves.

You sure? Last time I checked freedos was never going to support UEFI since it requires GPT rather than MBR. Also, UEFI completely replaces the BIOS and half of DOS' functionality was just the BIOS alone. Freedos would need to patch the missing BIOS interrupts for it to work.

FreeDOS assumes a BIOS, and does not work with UEFI.22 apr. 2021

Why not? As of 2024 you still can run any Windows OS on real hardware. You need some extra PCI cards for sound and video. I have a two monitor setup + Denon receiver with multiple audio inputs. Right now I'm in Windows 10 editing my next video, but if I want to reboot in Windows 3.11 or Windows 98... I can do it with a simple restart. Then I select as a boot device another SSD. In the end, I switch the audio input and that's all it takes to travel 20-30 years back in time... :)

@@O_mores money

Ok, it's a deal, I'm working on something right now... Subscribe to get a notification when it happens...

Here is a tutorial, the DOS part on how to format and make a bootable DOS partition is all you need for Windows 3.11: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/mpx9lNZ9udeUmXU.html

VIDEO: falconfly.vogonswiki.com/velocity.html AUDIO: archive.org/details/Creative_Ensoniq_AudioPCI_Creative_Technology_1713310668_1998 LAN: www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/download/2595/intel-ethernet-adapter-drivers-for-ms-dos-final-release.html

@@O_mores Well, I know this is a bit older than the Voodoo3 3000, but might I recommend the Diamond Stealth VRAM (S3 Vision964)? I mean, you can go up to 1152*864 while still having true color, or 1280*1024 with high (565) color. That's only for video, though. You can achieve those on Windows 3.1 if you have a 4096K model, that is. Just saying.

@@Egg.Of.Glory999 I'm interested to use an early PCI video card especially for Windows 3.0. Otherwise this Voodoo 3 also works in 3.1 (64K colors @1024) NT 3.51, 95A, NT 4, Win 98SE, ME, 2000 and newer - there is no other more compatible video card.

I will, but the next video will be about Windows 95A which runs perfectly on this Ryzen machine.

full 16-bit support

@@Jkauppa I have all Windows versions installed on this Ryzen machine. From Windows 1 to Windows 11. (All... except NT 3.1 from 1993. NT 3.51 from 1995 works fine)

@@O_mores sounds like work :p

@@O_mores Lie there no way in hell you could install any 16bit-version of windows or dos on today's modern hardware you must be using a virtual machine to do this and NT 3.1 it is very specific hardware requirements even NT 3.51 can be a bit challenging but version NT 4.0 and 2000 should work.

​@@SHSPVRYes, you can. It's not the only video. Maybe watch LGR DOS on Ryzen: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/mLlpm8yE3LKVe40.html Once you are in DOS Windows 3.x should work on a modern system - but in the standard mode only. If you use some older PCI cards you can boot Windows 3.11 in the ENHANCED mode and that is exactly what I did. NT 3.51 was not an easy job, the sound card was an issue, but I found an ALS4000 sound card that proved to be very compatible. I have very specific threads regarding NT 3.51 on vogons.org.