RAtheRuggedManTV The shit I used to get of my mates for bumping Mase's Harlem world back in the day, now it's cool to listen till lil Yachty!?

Yo RA I love these talks you have with vlad man, discussing hiphop and breaking down the structure of the artform, but i couldnt disagree more on the LL Pac issue. Drake is lyrical and got nice wordplay but all he raps about is girls and corny stuff just like LL did. Guys like Pac Nas and Jay portrait the image on the streets and to me thats what makes a top ten MC

I agree with everything u said. People always making these lists and don't even know a person's musical catalog. Most of these clowns that comment can't even tell u one thing about Cutmaster DC, Mantronix, etc. You grew up in that era so your opinion is highly respected.

A question I always wanted to ask u RA who wins a battle in there prime Rakim or Big Daddy Kane? I always say Kane because of the punchlines and his wit. And of course his showmanship if it was a live battle like it was supposed to be. And who are your top 10 favorite rappers?

Since when did you start believing that CAPS WERE THE WAY TO GO? Dumbass.

Hip-Hop Universe cuz u ugli

one is alive, and the other is dead.....

I dnt believe Pac was ever tryin to be the best rapper. He was trying to get a message out and music was one way of doing it. Pac is the greatest bcuz of EVERYTHING he did

Decovia79 agreed

Decovia79 word

R Gee #Facts

LL was out way before gangasta rap and his first single had a b side "I want you" on the back of "I Need a Beat" and "Rock the Bells" Not a #Facts

Remember when Pac dissed LL on My Lil Homies. Pac gave him love on Old Skool. Then hatin ass LL took Biggie in the Who Shot Ya Remix. Hahahaha...miss the old days. RIP Pac the God

R Gee. LL always wrote for the ladies. ladies love.

R Gee wrong!! LL was rappin to the ladies waaayyyy before quote on quote Gangsta Rapp existed his name stands for Ladies Love Cool J; hence L.L. Cool J.

Calvin G Bruh that is no debate wat so ever..drake can barely rap, his flow is constipated as fuck..drake is an R&B artist, pac made r &b songs too, but they were still internal rhyming and will kill anything drake ever put out.

im a huge tupac fan, i have him tatted on me, but drake can rap. i dont know what the fuck you're talking about, and tupac never made r&b songs either..hes never sung one song..he rapped.

Nigga listen to can u get away, temptations

What about "Dear Mama" and "Brenda's Got A Baby"? Yeah, Pac rapped on those, but they were more soulful R&B type of songs. Pac even came with some melody on those verses. Believe it or not, Pac also had a soft side. Nothing wrong with that.

Right that's what imma tryna say to matt

yessir! I was takin my kids to school last week and pulled up Bigger and Deffer on my phone. I forgot how epic that album is. By the time it got to "Get Down", my blood was pumpin like I had an expresso shot!

You mean LL did. LL was the first to do it all, and he stayed in the game for over 20 years, while selling at least platinum.

Walton Lans PAC was the most important for black culture. LL was the better rapper tho

true as well. @ bubblehashman

I dont think so i been around both seen them both perform sorry got my mind made up should a made u a believer ll went to POP COMMERCIAL

Steph Curry The G.O.A.T do you know what thug life mean ? i bet not , just another ignorant fuck online.

The fact that they say Goat comes from LL. I believe its LL but it could be Melle Mel!

And as a MC, Jay-Z is STILL not better..

Ll was the goat but Jay Z took the crown from him so did PAC imo.

No one has took the crown from Rakim still the God MCEE

LMAOOOO

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Frederick Johnson cube better tho

Antdolla bullshit

NO VASELINE...... conversation OVER. THE END

+meagainstthewrld final frontier

Frederick Johnson ICE CUBE is more versatile than Ren. ICE CUBE has all the skill and elements of the Art of being an EMCEE but Ren is a Rapper and isn't as artistic as ICE CUBE. That is the FACTS not OPINION. Facts always trump opinions. o·pin·ion əˈpinyən/ noun - a view or judgment formed about something, NOT NECESSARILY BASED ON FACT or KNOWLEDGE. VS fact fakt/ noun - a thing that is INDISPUTABLY THE CASE.

Dee Three Facts

And the thing is Pac was lyrical. People just don't know what lyricism is.

MrThekidisback right he was a poet so how can he not be lyrical but i was addressing what people view as 'lyrical' as in wordplay, punchlines which Pac showed he could do when he tried.

Pac was 'lyrical' he had great rhymes. were they the most technical, no but he could tell story at times and be poetic all day. if you are poetic, you are "lyrical" to some degree in my book. everything ain't all about multisyllables I mean shit.

ProtectedSouls4 not sure if you misunderstood but that is my point

Francisco Gonzalez not true, the reasons that people love Pac and ride for him till this day doesnt apply for LL.

Francisco Gonzalez Pac was a living legend before he died. LL was a great rapper. Big difference.

Francisco Gonzalez well the same should be same for biggie

FACTS!

So was LL.

Vlad always under cuts ra.

vlad is the biggest interviewer clickbater ive ever seen

It's a debate. It wouldn't be as good as it is if he didn't go back and forth with him.

Yup. Vlad is a fuckin brown nosin bitch. He ain’t bout shit. His knowledge of hip hop is laughable

Orlando Lewis facts

Johnny Virus No doubt

True.

All Eyez On Me's Overrated

Because hes a leftest pussy who wants to be a rapper and cool.. i could go on and on. And this is coming from a gypsy who knows

@@gregmand13 love and share your opinion, I could go on and on about his annoying views, voice, and inability to interview without talking over the person, where is nardwar when you need him ?

He sucks.. never heard of him and this will be the only group of interviews i ever watch from him

Yeah i know. More like a debate. And why is he trying to act like he knows more about hip hop than this legend!

terrible to listen to.

+Chris Espinoza Lol, I get reference. No one can take the mic from LL, lol.

QUEENBEE " Your naive incompetence gets crushed by my dominance " BARS 😂😂

Chris Espinoza it's 321

😂😂😂 I was just counting down and didn't catch that when I posted it.. 😂😂😂😂💀

Chris Espinoza lol

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Hes music better than rappers trash research before you speak kids.

I really think he should compile a history of golden era hip hop in a book.

I know hip hop but I'd give PAC the edge. Ll was the goat at one time tho

😂😂😂 you guys are funny as hell!!! Tell me why every single person that says someone else was better than Tupac, like big, LL , snoop, etc. be acting like those rappers wrote their songs as fast as Pac did? 😂😂😂 bro Pac knew he was going to die so he was busting out songs left and right!! As many as he could before his time was up!!! Just imagine if Babylon and none of those hating ass backstabbing ass mothafuckers were after him and he knew his time wasn’t limited, bro he would have given us MASTERPIECES!!! Every time you guys say that someone else is better than Pac and telling others they don’t know anything about rap, just makes you guys sound and look stupid as fuck 😂😂😂 do research first man 😂😂😂 that way you won’t look stupid again!! 😂😂😂 it sucks we didn’t get those masterpieces but most of those songs he wrote in a short amount of time are still way better than MOST of them other rappers songs!!!

Just stfu you as trash as Vlad is.

@@sugs1191 400 bench press club is not talking about the click bait title jd is talking about the state of hiphop used as programming and dumbni down the culture

Dude shutup, you know jack shit about hip-hop

lmao but 2pac is Suge bitch 😂😂

"Why you always dwellin on the past? Baby boys reminiscin old school shit, young fools get dicked, LL rules the shit... I SHOT YA!"

😂😂 Pac fanboy nonsense

iLLest Tv You ain't got no stories about how you and Pac use to run niggas pockets in NY?

FŪČK 12 lmao

iLLest Tv I see you do not know what a lyricist is. Pac was a hell of a lyricist. There's more than one way to be a lyricist.

William Elliott Compared to heavy hitters like NaS and "Reasonable Doubt" HOV? I can't agree fam.

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Mookaron an opinion is not a #Fact. Lol, kinda proving R.A. Right here.

Rai Gresham ...true cause Hit em Up really isn't that dope to me. Neither did it damage Biggie's career. Faith really lost that fight.

Rai Gresham It's facts when it's the truth. I speak truth so it's #facts! Name one rapper that shut 2pac down then you would make me a liar! Just name 1 rapper that shut Pac down?

Mookaron how about the fact that Bigge made "Who Shot Ya?" About a fictional foe, and Pac felt the force of the lines and the reception that song got and got so on his feelings he came back with "Hit Em Up", that basically was just someone ranting over a beat, wasn't witty, and only memorable for helping to fuel the beef. Biggie did get his attention as well with the line from "Brooklyn's Finest": If Faith had twins she'd probably have 2 Pacs. Now that's not saying that ended Pac, but just when he was challenged lyrically, he couldn't even really respond in kind. And is that the litmus test now for a great lyricist? You have to have ended a career? Then that would mean LL is better than him because he did it to 3 different rappers in different generations of the genre. Show me where Pac did that....

Artman Nexus Hit Em Up is pretty weak lyrically not to mention Biggie did a better job on that beat on the Get Money Remix.

He was too scary. While 2pac dissed him like he was food

The problem is they don't know what an mc is. They don't even know what hip hop is smh. They were born during or after gangsta rap and jumped raps dick when it became mainstream and popular. They weren't around for the graffiti, breakin, block parties. They don't know the impact or sacrifice of Run Dmc, Kurtis Blow, LL Cool J, T-La Rock, etc put in to the culture. They speak on shit they don't know. Its like me trying to argue and debate with my mother about the Motown sound of the 60's. It could never happen I wasn't alive and only have second hand information.

tee Joe says a person hiding who they are to talk shit on the internet

Yeah,but they werent well known

with pac it was mostly poetic and delivery based, as far as ACTUAL RHYMING goes. Big L destroys Pac, Kane destroys Pac, Biggie destroys Pac, G rap destroys Pac, the list goes on and on and on. Thats not taking anything away from Pac because he had a lot more impact than most and pretty much put Hip Hop on a GLOBAL stage. Pac had a certain character which made him stand out but he's not even in the top 20 of best technical emcee's and wordsmiths

@@Qonvex I said Pac got busy lyrically when he wanted to. I have heard many records where he got busy. I didn't say he was better than the people that you named.

@@Qonvex go listen to makaveli full, then talk to me about lyrics.

@@mukumbosimpito1571 go listen to AZ's Do or Die, or Pharoahe Monch's Internal Affairs. Then compare them lyrically and you will see that they are on another level. 2Pac had a great message in a lot of his songs and managed to put Hip Hop on a world stage but not with complex lyricism.

Remember PAC would do 5/ 6 songs in one night .PAC was a beast .

Pac was a all around mc .. he can rap about anything … pac was versatile

I prefer those guys but LL was greater than them

Roderick Julius because vlad asked him..did u not watch the interview

Souljah Boy looking ass fuckboy

Roderick Julius 💯💯💯

Because the same with Aaliyah and everyone else just because they dead

I have always argue that Pac was a better actor than rapper. but what always set him apart was his pen game.,,Lets face it his writing is what save him since his flow is just average. ,,he is no way a lyricist like a Big daddy kane or Rakim.His rhymes didn't roll off his tongue and had you jumping out your chair.

jay gets buckets LL wasn't better than PAC tho if he said ice cube or somebody of that nature I would agree

jay gets buckets and ll cool jj was a pioneee of rap...

Imperial stats ###Bruh!! hop on your yellow bike and keep up , this isn't about Substance but more on DELIVERY.Pac was an average rapper who pen rhymes that was conscious and important.LL just brought the heat regardless of subject matter.

Jelani Don Won Ll is better than ice cube tho. Ll was the man in the 80s man he changed the sound. And dude was slaying emcees in battles

Wingzero83 is real

Wingzero83 what's disrespectful

He's a great lyricist too though! this myth that he wasn't a great rhymer or lyricist is nonsense.

@@chaoticprogress true

Makaveli forever

As far as fame and reach he could be seen as the greatest. Buuut what about actual rapping take the fame out of the equation and going off of strictly skill level and rhyming and lyrics then 2pac isn't the greatest rapper at that point he would be 10 forsure

@@chaoticprogress he wasn't a great lyricist btw

Talking politics didn't really age well. Now everybody talks politics. But damn I wish pac was still alive with how ugly the the political climate has become and how much respect pac has. It would be a definite game changer. Not musically but politically!

Jexalso led his own race/culture to death , life prison sentences, and death row. ..so yeah whtever u say. Shiuldve stayed on his tu-tu's

I hate how every old school rapper thought they was talking bout "politics" and the truth. His music is either "I kill cause I'm a thug" or " Men don't appreciate ladies" or "police brutality" like every other rapper back then

Tupac Shakur helped damn plenty of souls. Fuck him and Suge.

Nah , PAC got like 3 dope albums back to front ...LL Cool J has a 30 year career of bangers

Josh W. 😂😂😂😂😂😂

Horrific chorus but that beat was dope as fuck

Exactly

Josh W. Haha yeah right

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Kenny Lafortune Gtfoh bro Pac the GOAT not that BALD ass nigga with the kango

Kenny Lafortune Not really he had two dope albums he is overrated to be honest that's mainly due to NY niggas gassing him up so hard.

You're A Idiot

50 year olds that have a better knowledge of hip hop than yall silly kids

KRiS yes its possible to touch Pac ive heard rappers better than him, plus tupac rapped about black on black crime then turned around on that social bullshit on the same album

Kevin X word!

Kevin X so you think their aren't plenty of young rappers that are nice that look up to or have been inspired by Drake? Being socially aware isn't the only way to influence and help hip hop culture. Look at all the trap rappers that grew up on and were influenced by Gucci. That's a cultural impact. Drake has continued to blur lines between R&B and hip hop, along with Cole, Kendrick, and Chance and guys like that he's reaffirming you don't have to be a street cat to rap. On a business side he's showing folk how to sustain your wave he's doing things for the culture .

Public Enemy said that because they're ignorant on what Elvis was. They come from the new school of thought which is "hate everything white in order to boost blackness" and black people sometimes ignorantly assume that white people look at icons who happen to be white as a symbol of whiteness. Michael Jackson is a symbol of blackness to black people but Elvis is not a symbol of whiteness to white people. White people do not think along those community based lines.

Little Jimmy Scumbag Well I beg to differ. PE was talking about the system and they were counter to what the main stream wants us to buy into. That hurt some people's feelings. My original comments were more about how powerful that line was at the time. It made it safer for others to go strong against the establishment. Kevin

osp80 I see where you're coming from, it all depends how you look at unless you really knew the man then you'd really know if he was a thief or just really loved black music that much

Kaine 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

Kaine a lyrical gunius who would destroy you

Kaine 😂😂😂😂

Kaine He's one of the greatest lyricists of all time

Jon Sprague in your opinion

everybody is overrated..

ThisIsAUsername facts bruh

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ThisIsAUsername yet pac is the goat

ThisIsAUsername stfu you don't know shit about rap Tupac Shakur greatest of all time

@BloodyJasonMask Any true 2Pac people know that album was his greatest deepest and more overlooked works in his entire career. Dear Mama was obviously a mainstream hit along with Me against the World being on Bad Boys soundtrack. But the album in full is by far his best overall project not 1 bad song and the message of him being depressed and in a very dark place while being incarcerated is just simply amazing even to this day .

wesley hill exactly

Dank Dank he’s definitely more entertaining

no he's not

thats not what happened though you probably didnt even watch the video. It seems like vlad was just waiting for that one line to headline the video instead of listening to what ra had to say

D Nice Biggie was a top lyricist not so much Pac tho. Pac rapped from his heart.

Yeah he was deep and poetical. But if we're talkin about straight bars there are plenty of rappers who do it better than Tupac. its so stupid that its controversial to say that. Tupac is great more for what he symbolized and what he represented.

Artistically and song wise, 2Pac still shits on most of his peers. Pac has more classic songs in his catalogs more than most rappers. Pac's passion and energy in most of his lyrics still can't be matched. Don't try and downplay who he was as an artist just because he wasn't spitting punchline after punchline. His work ethic and body of work is still one of the greatest in hip hop.

You obviously don't know shit. How old are you 13?

Carlos Blanco Probably 10

RICH BLACK KID trash ll cool j? Bruh you don't listen to music lol you are high as fuck

I have always argue that Pac was a better actor than rapper. but what always set him apart was his pen game.,,Lets face it his writing is what save him since his flow is just average. ,,he is no way a lyricist like a Big daddy kane or Rakim.His rhymes didn't roll off his tongue and had you jumping out your chair.

Pac was the best at delivery and capturing that lifestyle, thats why he meant so much to a lot of people. He was like the hip-hop version of blues...But instead of uplifting them, he told them it was cool to stay there...for someone to be that influential, it was a crime not to try to do something positive.

You know nothing about Pac or his music and his message went over your head. Tupac was never an "East coast pro-black MC." 2Pac came out the gate rapping Oakland, Marin City, and The Bay Area. Not once did he represent an NYC borough in any of his music. So don't rewrite history. Pac has always ripped the West. Second, Thug Life was a philosophy he and his Stepfather Mutulu Shakur who was in prison came up with to politicize the streets similar to how the Black Panthers movement were tied to the streets and Pac was supposed to be the face of the movement. Third Pac was never a "Westside Gangbanger." Pac never promoted gang banging in his music. He rapped about the effects of such things. On Pac's very last album, "Makaveli 7 Day Theory," he has songs like "Hold Ya Hed," "Krazy," and "White Manz World." which are all social and political songs. So again, you have no idea wth you are talking about

kob456 lol Pac was born in harlem son...and of course the white mans oppression is part of the reason thugs should remain thugs right..throwing up the westside saying we'll ride on you mfs and I f*cked your wife is hardly revolutionary...he was a hypocrite and only low brow thugs "get" his message...the successful see that acting tough and barbaric it isn't the true path to prosperity. Only through education, peace, love and mutual respect can you rise above this lunacy...none of that was in his message

What does that have to do with anything I said? He went by MC New York before he got into the industry or before he ever signed a deal. That was a local rap name he was using at 18 or 19. On 2Pac's first ever album, "2Pacalypse Now," he went by his name 2Pac and was repping Oakland and the Bay. He never came into hip hop as a New Yorker, so stop it.

MRLEGEND101 Why are you telling me Pac was born in Harlem? First of all, I'm not even sure if he was born in Harlem. He was born somewhere in NYC and that's a fact. 2nd, where you are born is not the point. Pac still went through his most life changing moments living on the westcoast as a teen. 3rd, 2Pac throwing up the WS and riding on other rappers is called HIP HOP, you dumbass. That's what happens in hip hop. It's a competitive sport of music. 4th, Stop Looking at Pac as some "positive" rapper. Pac is not Common Sense. He never came in the game on some moral high ground. He was a flawed human being and he never tried to uphold the image of an MLK or Ghandhi. That's where people like you get it twisted. You hear a song like "Changes" and want to put him in a conscious category. 2Pac's whole style is to be a rebel. 2Pac was kind of following Malcolm X. That's what you don't understand. Yes, 2Pac did preach education, he did preach for brotherhood, he did preach unity, he did promote love for the SISTERS but he also talked about the HOES, spoke to the lowlives, and battled other rappers. This is what you call diversity. He's not some one trick pony.

Big L is way better than Pac. And L only has 2 albums.

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ST HASH I can't remember 1 big L hit record or 1 classic album

ST HASH Take some Big & some Pac mix'em up in one pot sprinkle a little Big L on top WTF do you got? You got the illest & realest killers tied up in a knot the juggernauts of this rap shit like it or not!

As good as Tupac was, he is majorly overrated. HE is more of a symbol/legend than the music he made. That's just the realness of his relevance.

listen to wherever u r big daddy kane and tupac. pac had the better verse on that track. pac could do mc shit when he wanted to.

hell NO

Paul Turn'd Up Schmidt You're a kid though!! Stick to arguments about Drake vs. Kendrick & dumb-shit like that!!

Andre Salazar Hell no with LL's wack ass flow and old school ass bars. "Fish Fry Batter" "Oreo Cookie" wack ass lines he should never be mentioned with the G.O.A.T.

HankBlockOG 2Pacalypse is a classic imo. Just about every Pac album is a classic. Shit, even some of the albums that the studios put together are classic-status contenders. Better Dayz for instance.

This comment is pure comedy.

@@kevinscott59 That’s because most pure hip hop fans like myself (I was born late 70’s) have listened to hip hop since the 80s so there’s an appreciation for the art form. These Tupac fanatics (their not the only ones) no nothing about the history of hip hop (exactly what RA referred to). And if social conscious rap is their thing…I bet none of them have much to say about Chuck D or Arrested Development, The Roots (to name only a few)..as they maybe have heard one song if that! But I don’t get so annoyed at that..I stick to what I like. However, last point to be made, the fanatics are as much of the problem as cooperations who have dumbed down hip hop and made it regress as a music genre…as these fanatics are the target audience who have supported it over the last 20+ years.

Gosh ure a d£krider. I've got PAC slightly ahead of Llccolj. For me ll was the goat but then PAC took the title and now maybe Jay z has.

@@sugs1191 the fact you think Jay Z has “the title” shows how ignorant you are in regards to your appreciation of hip hop!

@@its_rick_james_bich2575 no it doesn't bcos Chuck D Nd Krs one have both said the same themselves. And they're both pioneers and in my top 10 mcs. So a very silly comment on your behalf

preach bro

If they make a big hit song people will listening to that song in years.

Nas will eat him for lunch

but at the same time, you wouldn't shit on his rapping ability. Eminem is a perfect example of how "rapping ability" is kinda meaningless. Great, you can fit 100 syllables into 2 lines and rhyme 20 words, but you said nothing of meaning. If your song is meaningless, it isn't HipHop.

Facts

Hell naw PAC was making noise before that .The first rapper to put out double CD and sell 9 million .That s sick!!!

@@madizm05 if we are going verse for verse lyric for lyric LL smokes 2 pac

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People talk about every musician after they die decades after idiot

LL had more international and classic hits... LL had songs with Michael Jackson that you probably never even heard..

Futcho Bishh dj vlad is not in the game, r a is pretty dope

Futcho Bishh RA is a top 15 rapper of all time. you are clueless about Hip hop smh you judging someone on their skin colour but probably be the first to cry racism

RA The Rugged Man is fucking legendary I bet you listen to Lil Pump and shit.