Race of the Decade

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dworkma

dworkma

17 жыл бұрын

TV Broadcast of the 1989 Breeder's Cup Classic. Called "The Race of the Decade", this 1 1/4 mile race was the fourth and final race between Sunday Silence and Easy Goer.

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@BE109
@BE109 11 жыл бұрын
Why is it so damn hard for some to admit that Sunday Silence was a great TB racehorse??? The proof is right before their eyes and ears!!
@carlosstevelevine3003
@carlosstevelevine3003 8 жыл бұрын
Easy Goer and Sunday Silence certainly were two of the best. What a rivalry. Both Easy Goer and Sunday Silence are underrated to me. They came from the largest foal crop ever of over 50,000 foals, plus other competitors from other huge foal crops in the 1980's. Easy Goer and Sunday Silence most likely denied the other immortality, as both horses most likely would have been immortal Triple Crown winners if not for the other.
@jacobben3152
@jacobben3152 8 жыл бұрын
Easy Goer's brilliance, acceleration, speed, power and stamina was magnificent at all distances of ground that he ran; from six and a half furlongs to a mile and a half. And what he accomplished after the Triple Crown races was monumental. Both Easy Goer and Sunday Silence indeed were Triple Crown quality horses. Both were the real deal superstars.
@grantp4022
@grantp4022 Жыл бұрын
Both great horses, and a thrilling fantastic race from both horses. Something I've always liked about Easy Goer, was his smooth and easy power, and stamina. If this race was 1.5 miles like the Belmont, Easy Goer wins it quite easy, as you can see him toward the end of this race, closing in on Sunday's Silence, but ran out of real estate. Also Goer's jockey holds him back too long, before making a move. This has cost Easy Goer some wins in my opinion. I'm a Seattle Slew, and Easy Goer fan, and you can't help but admire the sure greatness of Secretariat.
@howl_with_the_wolves
@howl_with_the_wolves Жыл бұрын
Pat Day always known as a patient rider,rode EG like clown and cost him a TC
@Strongbid
@Strongbid 11 жыл бұрын
I was there for this race. Still one of the most exciting ever. Both Sunday Silence and Easy Goer were amazing on equal terms. But in the record books..Sunday Silence holds the edge.
@EASYGOER4EVER
@EASYGOER4EVER 9 жыл бұрын
Easy Goer in the breeding shed? Easy Goer tragically died very young, with only a few crops, only 135 foals, 53 mares. "There are many reasons to regret the early loss of Easy Goer, who combined blistering speed over a mile with thoroughly genuine stamina." Sire, Broodmare Sire, GrandSire & Great GrandSire to many: Corinthian (won G1 Breeders' Cup Dirt Mile, G1 Met Mile etc), Storm Flag Flying (Champion 2 year old filly, won G1 Breeders' Cup Juvenile Fillies, G1 Personal Ensign, G1 Frizette, G1 Matron etc), My Flag (won G1 Breeders' Cup Juvenile Fillies, G1 CCA Oaks, G1 Ashland, G1 Gazelle etc), Will's Way (won G1 Whitney, G1 Travers etc), Lion Tamer (won G1 Cigar Mile,etc), Magical Fantasy (won G1 Gamely, G1 Yellow Ribbon, G1 Del Mar Oaks, G1 John Mabee, etc), Mull of Kyntire, Astronomer Royal (won G1 French 2,000 Guineas etc), Furlough G1 Ballerina etc), Composer (won Jim Dandy etc), Relaxing Rhythm (won Molly Pitcher etc), Monba (G1 Blue Grass), Funny Moon (G1 CCA Oaks, Shuvee etc), Araafa (won G1 St. James Palace, G1 Irish 2,000 Guineas,etc) etc. Given Easy Goer’s own superb pedigree and the quality of mates he received during his few seasons at Claiborne, there is every reason to believe that he would have made an even more significant contribution had he lived longer."  "Easy Goer was Adonis-like, the closest thing physically to Secretariat. He was plagued by terrible ankles his entire career, but was placed upon a throne at an early age and validated all the admiration and exaltation. Easy Goer had bad shins (needed pinfiring), puffy, problematic ankles, a clubfoot, and a deformed, turned-out left knee. Easy Goer was a glowing chestnut with a fluid stride that belied his short pasterns and less than perfect feet. Pasterns notwithstanding, he had the look of greatness, and he ran to his looks."
@joshuagrenoble9187
@joshuagrenoble9187 10 жыл бұрын
Easy Goer and S.S. Two greats. Easy Goer, like a shot with a very bold, bold burst of speed down the backside, then geared down, then another bold, bold burst of speed gobbling up real estate, finishing with a flourish, one jump short by a very rapidly diminishing neck, soaring by.
@EASYGOER4LIFE
@EASYGOER4LIFE 13 жыл бұрын
ERNIE'S words will live FOREVER! He says, "Hall of Fame champion Easy Goer was a TRUE ALL TIME GREAT, fastest three year old mile of all time in 1:32, second fastest Belmont of all time,many of the most historic races won by many Hall of Fame horses on or near track records at every distance. He deserved better in that superb campaign he was put through." Words that will live forever in infamy
@carlosstevelevine3003
@carlosstevelevine3003 9 жыл бұрын
What a race and what a rivalry between two extraordinary horses. In the Preakness, these two overwhelmingly sensational champions, Easy Goer and Sunday Silence, each had the lead at about five or six different points in the race. Maybe more. On the backstretch, then Easy Goer rocketing past on the backstretch, Sunday Silence second turn, top of the stretch, then through the home stretch a few times back and forth. It doesn't count, but after the finish line when the race was over, Easy Goer was back in front. That's breathtaking to have that many lead changes. What a race. Eight lengths in the Belmont is a big difference between a nose with each horse having the lead at five or six different points through the Preakness, but a win is a win no matter the margin. It counts just the same. What a race between two sensational horses. In this race, it appeared as if it could have been more of the same, a repeat of the Preakness, down the backstretch when Easy Goer made that big move again. The multifaceted Easy Goer with big time speed was much closer in the Preakness, but uncharacteristically was far behind early in this race. Sunday Silence held on by a neck as Easy Goer rocketed past an instant, a split second past the line. What a race and what a rivalry.
@ernie1gotx
@ernie1gotx 13 жыл бұрын
Sunday Silence’s brilliant tactical acceleration, one of a kind athleticism and champion heart more than likely closed the door on Easy Goer.
@MJBYouTubeNetwork
@MJBYouTubeNetwork 10 жыл бұрын
*"And Sunday Silence HOLDS ON!! And he wins by a desperate length!!"* Now that line right there is so epic, I cant stop hearing that!
@sammey1919
@sammey1919 4 жыл бұрын
It was "a desperate neck". Still epic. Perhaps the greatest call of Tom Durkin's career. He was awesome.
@jesusthroughmary
@jesusthroughmary 4 жыл бұрын
@@sammey1919 Even more epic
@jesusthroughmary
@jesusthroughmary 4 жыл бұрын
@@sammey1919 1998 Belmont was Durkin's greatest call ever, maybe THE greatest call ever.
@TheJustjim3333
@TheJustjim3333 4 жыл бұрын
@@jesusthroughmary there is NOTHING that compares with " he is moving like a tremendous machine"
@ssago100
@ssago100 4 жыл бұрын
Sunday Silence never felt the whip in the stretch,While easy goer was beat to death by Pat Day.Silence was in a hand ride.
@orisha19
@orisha19 8 жыл бұрын
Easy Goer's acceleration was unmatched between a mile and a mile and a half. All one has to do is watch that MASTERFUL PERFORMANCE in the 1989 Belmont, WOW!!
@harmonichebe
@harmonichebe 8 жыл бұрын
+orisha19 my favorite racehorse, affirmed, ran the last mile of his belmont while hooked with alydar, whose accomplishments are lost because of affirmed. alydar would have beaten these other fine animals. horses run against horses and not the clock, and affirmed running a 2:26+ belmont while alydar was at his side is a greater accomplishment in the belmont than any other than big red's.
@orisha19
@orisha19 8 жыл бұрын
+Rabbi Ingber You may be right about the match race aspect, because they were hooked up in a duel for the last mile, but Easy Goer's move approaching the quarter pole is a thing of Equestrian power that is truly unforgettable. While we are at it, the dogged determination of AP Indy in 1992 coming down the stretch in a duel with My Memoirs and Pine Bluff at the Belmont in 2:26 flat, is also unforgettable as well.
@harmonichebe
@harmonichebe 8 жыл бұрын
+orisha19 i wanted easy goer to win the races, but pat day cost him the first two by getting EG stuck own the rail. my father, OBM, went to one of the sales that sunday silence was entered but withdrawn because the bids did not reach the expectations. my dad came back from kentucky, showed me the pedigree page and told me that this was the most beautiful horse he'd ever seen, but didn't have a quarter million dollars + to buy him. he carried that pedigree page in his wallet the rest of his life.
@mauricewillims1656
@mauricewillims1656 5 жыл бұрын
So as beat him was twice 11/4.
@DELMARCLUB1
@DELMARCLUB1 5 жыл бұрын
Who's better in any way is totally subjective. There are an endless amount of all time greats who were behind or tied in head to head records, including Citation, Kelso, Easy Goer, Forego, Dr. Fager, Damascus, Shuvee, John Henry, Pleasant Colony, Serena's Song, Silverbulletday, Swaps, Nashua, Sir Barton, Skip Away and many others. There was the Test of the Champion Belmont Stakes where Easy Goer destroyed him in the only state in the entire country during that era that banned all drugs. Balanced against that are two wins by SS against Easy Goer by the narrowest of margins, and a total of 3 wins which SS won by a combined margin of lesst han two and three-quarter lengths. So SS held the slight 3-1 edge vs EG with 3 wins coming in very close wins and a loss in which he was destroyed. Easy Goer also ran the record mile one full second faster than Secretariat's record. Easy Goer also ran a better, faster Ragozin speed figure than Secretariat did in their respective Belmont Stakes. Easy Goer also ran some of the greatest, fastest all timer performances at every distance he ran - 6.5F, 7F, 8F, 9F, 10F, 12F. Easy Goer generally ran faster times than Sunday Silence at all distances. Easy Goer more often ran faster times than Sunday Silence at all distances, including many outstanding, perennial all timer performances at every distance - 6.5F, 7F, 8F, 9F, 10F, 12F. Sunday Silence lost 36% of his races, mostly to lesser horses including Houston, Prized, Criminal Type & Cro Lover. Neither the Easy Goer/SS example or the other ones I cite show that any of these horses was "better" (which is totally subjective anyways) or was able to consistently get the better of the other. All these examples show is the records of two horses in a VERY MINUSCULE number of races. A few races certainly would NOT be even close to a large enough sample size if you were trying to establish consistency on a statistical basis; nor is it even close to a large enough sample size to show who was "better" (which is totally subjective anyways). SS held the slight 3 to 1 edge over EG in the races they both ran in. Those are facts, but who's "better overall", "better in general," or "better" in any way are all totally subjective. "Better" is totally subjective and numerous greats were behind or tied in head to head records vs other horses, including Citation, Kelso, Easy Goer, Forego, Dr Fager, Damascus, Swaps, Nashua, John Henry, Skip Away, Sir Barton, Pleasant Colony, Shuvee and many others. Citation got beat 4 out of 5 by Noor; Kelso got beat 3 out of 4 by Beau Purple; Forego got beat 2 out of 3 by Big Spruce; Shuvee got beat 4 out of 5 by Gallant Bloom; Dr Fager got beat 2 out of 4 by Damascus; Pleasant Colony got beat 3 out of 4 by Akureyri; Triple Crown winner Sir Barton got beat 8 out of 12 by Billy Kelly; John Henry got beat 4 out of 4 by Cabrini Green; John Henry got beat 3 out of 3 by Darby Creek Road; Skip Away got beat 4 out of 6 by Formal Gold; & there are an endless amount of other similar examples. Easy Goer also ran many more races in a shorter time period with much less time between races, and at more varying distances; & he ran mostly in the only state in the entire country at the time that banned all drugs. SS ran significantly less races with much more time between races, at less varying distances, & all but 1 of his races were run in states that allowed drugs. Sunday Silence's record (Lost 4 of 6 races; Losing record on his home track losing 3 races) on bigger tracks with a circumference of 1 1/8m or larger was very similar to Easy Goer's record on smaller mile circumferenced tracks. However, size of tracks, size of turns, straightaway/turn speed & acceleration, region, rider/rider tactics, trainer/training, drugs/medications not being allowed, etc etc, are just a few of the numerous variables, and cannot be simplified when there are many more factors and variables. It is much more complicated than that given the myriad of variables that determine the outcome of races. Failing to factor the numerous other variables in can lead to the wrong conclusions about why horses win or lose races. It makes no sense to look at cause and effect simplistically because other variables may have determined the outcome. Just because the Earth looks flat based on the way we actually see it, does not mean that it is flat. There are numerous factors, including but not limited to : superior career, superior & better body of work, GI wins, Graded Stakes wins, wins against older horses & open company, running times, avg running times at various distances & at all distances, head to heads, records set, still standing records, weights carried & weights conceded, stakes wins & stakes wins vs. open company/older horses, varying distances won at during career, superior campaign or campaigns, durability, constitution, superiority & dominance, injuries, jockeys, riding & rider errors, trainers, training and trainer errors, win/loss %'s, trips, amount of races run, track sizes, track circumferences, post positions, campaign & career earnings with & without bonuses, races with drugs & medications allowed/used, races with no drugs & medications allowed/used, etc etc & many many more. They were both great horses, but who's better is still totally subjective even after factoring in the endless amount of other factors. Easy Goer & SS were both greats. Easy Goer won 12 total stakes, 9 Grade 1 wins at distances of 7f, 8f, 9f, 10f, and 12f showing versatility on all tracks & many distances. SS won 7 total stakes, 6 Grade 1 wins but only at distances from 9f to 10f. Both versatile indeed, but that is a big difference in versatility. Easy Goer also defeated older horses Six times at ages three and four while conceding a good amount of weight in quite a few of them. SS defeated older horses only two times at ages three and four. Many other factors would favor Easy Goer over SS as well, including a) amount of career races able to run - 20 to 14 ; b) amount of total career wins - 14 to 9 ; c) running times at all distances ; d) average running times at all distances ; e) career earnings without bonuses - about $ 4.8 million to about $ 3.8 million ; f) career winning percentage - 70% to 64% ; g) Grade 1 wins - 9 to 6 ; h) total stakes wins - 12 to 7 ; i) wins vs older horses/open/unrestricted at ages three & four - 6 to 2 ; j) Grade 1 stakes wins at various distances - EG at 7f, 8f, 9f, 10f & 12f; SS at only 9f to 10f ; k) Easy Goer never was defeated by more than 2 & a half lengths in any race in a much longer career, SS never was defeated by more than 8 lengths in any race in a much shorter career; & other factors that would favor Easy Goer would be varying distances won at, records set, near records set, still standing records, running times, avg running times at all distances, campaigns, durability, constitution, dominance & superiority in races - average win margin and average loss margin, weights carried, weight concessions, etc. Other than SS's slight edge in head to head races, IMO Easy Goer was better than SS in most - if not all - these other factors & categories. But even after all of these numerous factors are factored in, who was better is still subjective. They were both greats, but IMO Easy Goer was a better horse, had a superior body of work, and had a superior career than SS even though SS held the slight edge in head to head races by the nose of his Preakness win. There is a lot more other than head to heads.
@EASYGOER4LIFE
@EASYGOER4LIFE 13 жыл бұрын
Ernie states and stated this: "EASY GOER was a TRUE ALL TIME GREAT, fastest three yr old mile of all time, second fastest Belmont of all time. He deserved much better than to be put through that amazing campaign he was put through." Those words live forever.
@PatWaitAllDay
@PatWaitAllDay 11 жыл бұрын
"Day knew his errors cost him." You are very correct. Day knew his errors cost the better horse, and many more also knew it.
@EASYGOER4LIFE
@EASYGOER4LIFE 13 жыл бұрын
It certainly was Pat Day's "baby hands and kid gloves" riding of a Hall of Fame champion horse who combined blazing record speed at a mile and shorter distances,with a thorughly supreme amd brilliant stamina that got him defeated by a nostril and desperate neck in two outs.
@EASYGOER4LIFE
@EASYGOER4LIFE 13 жыл бұрын
ERNIE'S words will live FOREVER! He says, "Easy Goer was a TRUE ALL TIME GREAT, fastest three year old mile of all time in 1:32.2, second fastest Belmont of all time, many of the most historic races on or near track records. He deserved better in that amazing campaign he was put through." His words will live forever, will live in infamy.
@traviswest9388
@traviswest9388 4 жыл бұрын
No. A rider and their rides are tangible, noticeable, observable, visible, real, substantial and recognizable.
@PhippsStable
@PhippsStable 10 жыл бұрын
Easy Goer made a Tremendous & Miraculous run to make up & gobble up that much ground & shoot by horses who were not tiring,stopping or slowing down at all.
@EASYGOER4LIFE
@EASYGOER4LIFE 13 жыл бұрын
Ernie's words will live FOREVER, He states, "Easy Goer was a TRUE ALL TIME GREAT, record three year old mile of all time in 1:32.2, second fastest Belmont of all time behind Secretariat. He deserved better in that amazingly brilliant campaign he was put through." Words that will live forever.
@ernie1gotx
@ernie1gotx 13 жыл бұрын
The outcome of these races speak for themselves. Sunday Silence always broke alertly and raced smartly on or near the front...Never in trouble. His incredible turn of foot was never more evident as simply ran away from Easy Goer " The Race of the Decade"... Campion 3 year old and Eclipse Award Winning Horse of the Year for 1989...Sunday Silence was just to much Hoss...That my good friends pretty much says it all
@roccoconte2960
@roccoconte2960 2 жыл бұрын
What a shame Pat Day blew it again just didn't learn about the early pace and let sunday silence beat him early with a carefree non-aggressive early ride.
@DELMARCLUB1
@DELMARCLUB1 6 жыл бұрын
Rankings, awards, etc. awards. Racing expert Charles Justice's objective, statistical study and rankings in his book "The Greatest Horse of All," ranked Easy Goer the 2nd best 3 year old of all time behind only Secretariat, and ahead (cossidered greater) of many greats including Dr Fager, Damascus, Sunday Silence, Bid, Man o' War, Native Dancer, Slew, etc. His study was based on objective, statistical factors like times, track variants, average times, average distance run, average speed, top speed, weights, post positions, speed ratings, time between races, time vs distance run, time vs weights, records set and near records run, foal crop, stakes races won, winning margins, etc. A numerous amount of greats were behind or tied in head to heads vs other horses, including Citation, Kelso, Easy Goer, Forego, Dr Fager, Damascus, Swaps, Nashua, John Henry, Skip Away, Sir Barton, Pleasant Colony, Shuvee and many others. Citation got beat 4 out of 5 by Noor; Kelso got beat 3 out of 4 by Beau Purple; Forego got beat 2 out of 3 by Big Spruce; Shuvee got beat 4 out of 5 by Gallant Bloom; Dr Fager got beat 2 out of 4 by Damascus; Pleasant Colony got beat 3 out of 4 by Akureyri; Triple Crown winner Sir Barton got beat 8 out of 12 by Billy Kelly; Skip Away got beat 4 out of 6 by Formal Gold; and there are many other similar examples. The Bloodhorse rankings by a small seven person panel are just as subjective and flawed as any other. Does this make the Blood horse panel of seven official, true, right and the authority? Of course not. In the foreword written in the beginning of the Bloodhorse top 100 book, they even admit how subjective and debatable their list - or any list - is, as they said: Blood-Horse stated that its rankings "will generate debate for years to come." The electoral friction was ultimately reflected in the introduction to the Blood-Horse's "Top 100 Racehorses" book, which said, "For all the work and dreaming that went into it, one approaches the list with a nagging sense of its folly as a rational exercise and of the maddening arbitrariness of its outcome. However one views the list, whether in peace - or shock and dismay - all such judgments, of course, are ENTIRELY SUBJECTIVE, a mixture of WHIM, wisdom, and whatever prejudices howl through the mind." In the Greatest Horse of All book by Charles Justice, Easy Goer was ranked the second best three year old of all time behind only Secretariat, and Ahead of Citation, Sunday Silence, Dr Fager, Damascus etc etc. Better is subjective and flawed; and who is better objectively is also flawed. The subjective, flawed Blood-horse list was done by ONE small panel of seven racing writers. There are plenty of racing writers that were not on this panel that state that Easy Goer was better than SS, including Alan Shuback, Edwin Pope, Dave Litfin, Steve Crist, Mike Watchmaker, Dick Jerardi, Paul Moran, Bill Finley, Andy Serling, etc etc . The Racing Post, Racing Times, Timeform, World Thoroughbred Rankings, Associated Press, Daily Racing Form, Thoroughbred Times, Thoroughbred Record, Sports Illustrated, Espn etc., all did not do subjective ranking lists of the top 100. If they had, many horses would have been ranked differently. SI & AP ranked a top 10, and horses four through ten were ranked differently than the Bloodhorse. Who's true, right, official and the authority on this? Sports Illustrated, Associated Press, Blood horse, Charles Justice etc? NONE!. Oh, and in the Bloodhorse top 100, Buckpasser was ranked narrowly ahead of Damascus (head to head winner over Buckpasser by 10 lengths); Dr Fager (lost 2 of 4 to Damascus by a combined 12 lengths) was ranked ahead of Damascus; Spectacular Bid was ranked narrowly ahead of Affirmed (head to head winner over Bid); Seattle Slew was ranked narrowly ahead of Affirmed; Swaps was ranked narrowly ahead of Nashua (1 to 1 head to head); Man O War was ranked narrowly ahead of Secretariat and Citation; Citation was ranked far ahead of Noor, who beat him in 4 of 5 races; War Admiral was ranked ahead of Seabiscuit, yet Seabiscuit beat War Admiral head to head; Majestic Prince was ranked far ahead of Arts and Letters; Native Dancer was ranked narrowly ahead of Tom Fool; Cigar was ranked far ahead of Skip Away and Holy Bull; Alysheba was ranked but Bet Twice was not - 5 to 4 head to head; Round Table was ranked far ahead of Sword Dancer; Round Table was ranked narrowly ahead of Bold Ruler, yet Bold Ruler was ahead in head to head races. Does this make the Blood horse panel of seven official, true, right and the authority? Absolutely not. The Racing Post, Racing Times, Timeform, World Thoroughbred Rankings, Associated Press, Daily Racing Form, Thoroughbred Times, Thoroughbred Record, Sports Illustrated, Espn etc also do subjective ranking lists of the top 100 - many horses including Easy Goer and SS would be ranked differently.
@EASYGOER4LIFE
@EASYGOER4LIFE 11 жыл бұрын
Bloodhorse also stated: "Easy Goer MET and FULFILLED those dreams and expectations embodied in his powerful chestnut frame and authored an unforgettable Hall of Fame championship career, and will always be mentioned in the same awed breath as the GREATEST of ALL TIME."
@mallorys728
@mallorys728 8 жыл бұрын
Wins by a desperate neck is an understatement, Easy Goer was surging past Sunday Silence not 10 feet past the finish line!
@larryBurndorf
@larryBurndorf 8 жыл бұрын
Good thing they don't run 1 1/4 miles and ten feet....
@patronfranklinesqueday9283
@patronfranklinesqueday9283 8 жыл бұрын
What would you expect when he was ridden by Pat ron franklin-esque Day.
@patronfranklinesqueday9283
@patronfranklinesqueday9283 8 жыл бұрын
That was totally expected because he was ridden by Pat ron franklin esque Day. Pat ron franklin esque Day rode Easy Goer -- and many other horses -- like a "teenager at the wheels of a Ferrari. Pat ron franklin esque Day never came to terms with the immense power and big-time speed at his disposal and how and when to use it." Go yield idle go, go yield idle go, inside, outside, back inside, back outside.
@sl7293
@sl7293 7 жыл бұрын
Sunday Silence had a tendency to lose focus and drift when he had a lead. Notice how Chris McCarron looks back as they go down the stretch, sees Easy Goer coming, and then shows SS the stick, getting SS to pick it up just enough to hold Easy Goer off. Late in Sunday Silence's career they finally understood that he doesn't respond will to being hit with stick. Just showing SS the stick produced a little more from him and they needed that at the end.
@sl7293
@sl7293 7 жыл бұрын
In answer to your question, what I "expect" is for you to use Pat Day as a scapegoat because you are bitterly disappointed that EG lost. The truth is you don't know Easy Goer would have fared better with a different jockey. For all you or anyone else knows, Easy Goer might have done worse.
@EASYGOER4LIFE
@EASYGOER4LIFE 13 жыл бұрын
Easy Goer, the Hall of Fame champion, one of the rare greats that combined blazing, record speed at a mile and shorter distances, along with a thoroughly supreme and genuine stamina to run the second fastest Belmont of all time,and was thoroughly supreme at every distance in between,one of the rare ones. And Pat Day rode him with "kid gloves and baby hands", rode him awful to get him beat a nostril and desperate neck in two outs.
@heartofalion1022
@heartofalion1022 7 жыл бұрын
"I've always believed and I'll continue to believe that Easy Goer was a better horse than Sunday Silence. I've said it before and I'll always say it, I think Easy Goer was better than Sunday Silence, despite his slight edge in the head to head races. I'll go to my grave believing that. We lost two photos to him and the one in the Preakness was absolutely due to a rider error on my part, and my ride wasn't the best in the Classic." That's Pat Day for us. "Pat Day and I agree that he made riding mistakes in the Preakness. We had Sunday Silence beat and he let him back in the race. But in the other races, there were circumstances that contributed to what happened. In the Classic, maybe when Pat Day grabbed him after the start, the horse didn't understand what he was doing. Then Pat was content to sit and wait behind Sunday Silence, as he had done before, and the other horse got away from us, and we just missed and fell just a stride or so short. In my heart, I think Easy Goer is the better horse than Sunday Silence. I think anybody would say that if those two ran against each other ten times, each would probably win five." - Shug McGaughey
@ssago100
@ssago100 5 жыл бұрын
They faced each other 4 times, easy goer beat him once.Watch the stretch run Sunday Silence never felt the whip while day beat easy goer to death.Horses with tactical speed like Sunday Silence will always be better than one run closers.
@DELMARCLUB1
@DELMARCLUB1 5 жыл бұрын
Who's better in any way is totally subjective. There are an endless amount of all time greats who were behind or tied in head to head records, including Citation, Kelso, Easy Goer, Forego, Dr. Fager, Damascus, Shuvee, John Henry, Pleasant Colony, Serena's Song, Silverbulletday, Swaps, Nashua, Sir Barton, Skip Away and many others. There was the Test of the Champion Belmont Stakes where Easy Goer destroyed him in the only state in the entire country during that era that banned all drugs. Balanced against that are two wins by SS against Easy Goer by the narrowest of margins, and a total of 3 wins which SS won by a combined margin of lesst han two and three-quarter lengths. So SS held the slight 3-1 edge vs EG with 3 wins coming in very close wins and a loss in which he was destroyed. Easy Goer also ran the record mile one full second faster than Secretariat's record. Easy Goer also ran a better, faster Ragozin speed figure than Secretariat did in their respective Belmont Stakes. Easy Goer also ran some of the greatest, fastest all timer performances at every distance he ran - 6.5F, 7F, 8F, 9F, 10F, 12F. Easy Goer generally ran faster times than Sunday Silence at all distances. Easy Goer more often ran faster times than Sunday Silence at all distances, including many outstanding, perennial all timer performances at every distance - 6.5F, 7F, 8F, 9F, 10F, 12F. Sunday Silence lost 36% of his races, mostly to lesser horses including Houston, Prized, Criminal Type & Cro Lover. Neither the Easy Goer/SS example or the other ones I cite show that any of these horses was "better" (which is totally subjective anyways) or was able to consistently get the better of the other. All these examples show is the records of two horses in a VERY MINUSCULE number of races. A few races certainly would NOT be even close to a large enough sample size if you were trying to establish consistency on a statistical basis; nor is it even close to a large enough sample size to show who was "better" (which is totally subjective anyways). SS held the slight 3 to 1 edge over EG in the races they both ran in. Those are facts, but who's "better overall", "better in general," or "better" in any way are all totally subjective. "Better" is totally subjective and numerous greats were behind or tied in head to head records vs other horses, including Citation, Kelso, Easy Goer, Forego, Dr Fager, Damascus, Swaps, Nashua, John Henry, Skip Away, Sir Barton, Pleasant Colony, Shuvee and many others. Citation got beat 4 out of 5 by Noor; Kelso got beat 3 out of 4 by Beau Purple; Forego got beat 2 out of 3 by Big Spruce; Shuvee got beat 4 out of 5 by Gallant Bloom; Dr Fager got beat 2 out of 4 by Damascus; Pleasant Colony got beat 3 out of 4 by Akureyri; Triple Crown winner Sir Barton got beat 8 out of 12 by Billy Kelly; John Henry got beat 4 out of 4 by Cabrini Green; John Henry got beat 3 out of 3 by Darby Creek Road; Skip Away got beat 4 out of 6 by Formal Gold; & there are an endless amount of other similar examples. Easy Goer also ran many more races in a shorter time period with much less time between races, and at more varying distances; & he ran mostly in the only state in the entire country at the time that banned all drugs. SS ran significantly less races with much more time between races, at less varying distances, & all but 1 of his races were run in states that allowed drugs. Sunday Silence's record (Lost 4 of 6 races; Losing record on his home track losing 3 races) on bigger tracks with a circumference of 1 1/8m or larger was very similar to Easy Goer's record on smaller mile circumferenced tracks. However, size of tracks, size of turns, straightaway/turn speed & acceleration, region, rider/rider tactics, trainer/training, drugs/medications not being allowed, etc etc, are just a few of the numerous variables, and cannot be simplified when there are many more factors and variables. It is much more complicated than that given the myriad of variables that determine the outcome of races. Failing to factor the numerous other variables in can lead to the wrong conclusions about why horses win or lose races. It makes no sense to look at cause and effect simplistically because other variables may have determined the outcome. Just because the Earth looks flat based on the way we actually see it, does not mean that it is flat. There are numerous factors, including but not limited to : superior career, superior & better body of work, GI wins, Graded Stakes wins, wins against older horses & open company, running times, avg running times at various distances & at all distances, head to heads, records set, still standing records, weights carried & weights conceded, stakes wins & stakes wins vs. open company/older horses, varying distances won at during career, superior campaign or campaigns, durability, constitution, superiority & dominance, injuries, jockeys, riding & rider errors, trainers, training and trainer errors, win/loss %'s, trips, amount of races run, track sizes, track circumferences, post positions, campaign & career earnings with & without bonuses, races with drugs & medications allowed/used, races with no drugs & medications allowed/used, etc etc & many many more. They were both great horses, but who's better is still totally subjective even after factoring in the endless amount of other factors. Easy Goer & SS were both greats. Easy Goer won 12 total stakes, 9 Grade 1 wins at distances of 7f, 8f, 9f, 10f, and 12f showing versatility on all tracks & many distances. SS won 7 total stakes, 6 Grade 1 wins but only at distances from 9f to 10f. Both versatile indeed, but that is a big difference in versatility. Easy Goer also defeated older horses Six times at ages three and four while conceding a good amount of weight in quite a few of them. SS defeated older horses only two times at ages three and four. Many other factors would favor Easy Goer over SS as well, including a) amount of career races able to run - 20 to 14 ; b) amount of total career wins - 14 to 9 ; c) running times at all distances ; d) average running times at all distances ; e) career earnings without bonuses - about $ 4.8 million to about $ 3.8 million ; f) career winning percentage - 70% to 64% ; g) Grade 1 wins - 9 to 6 ; h) total stakes wins - 12 to 7 ; i) wins vs older horses/open/unrestricted at ages three & four - 6 to 2 ; j) Grade 1 stakes wins at various distances - EG at 7f, 8f, 9f, 10f & 12f; SS at only 9f to 10f ; k) Easy Goer never was defeated by more than 2 & a half lengths in any race in a much longer career, SS never was defeated by more than 8 lengths in any race in a much shorter career; & other factors that would favor Easy Goer would be varying distances won at, records set, near records set, still standing records, running times, avg running times at all distances, campaigns, durability, constitution, dominance & superiority in races - average win margin and average loss margin, weights carried, weight concessions, etc. Other than SS's slight edge in head to head races, IMO Easy Goer was better than SS in most - if not all - these other factors & categories. But even after all of these numerous factors are factored in, who was better is still subjective. They were both greats, but IMO Easy Goer was a better horse, had a superior body of work, and had a superior career than SS even though SS held the slight edge in head to head races by the nose of his Preakness win. There is a lot more other than head to heads.
@sigscorpion9275
@sigscorpion9275 4 ай бұрын
Travis West @@DELMARCLUB1
@EASYGOER4LIFE
@EASYGOER4LIFE 13 жыл бұрын
ERNIE'S words will live FOREVER. He says, "Easy Goer was a TRUE ALL TIME GREAT, fastest three year old mile of all time in 1:32.2, second fastest Belmont of all time. He deserved better than that amazingly historic campaign he was put through." Words that will ive forever.
@BE109
@BE109 12 жыл бұрын
You people are just amazing!!!!! 3 of 4 shows the score!!!!!
@tjstrong3607
@tjstrong3607 4 жыл бұрын
The Preakness was the Real Race of the Decade between these two-- one of the best ever-- I was always believe Easy Goes was slightly better, and Sunday Silence was better ridden. But the 4 races in 1989 ill never forget. RIP Easy Goer.
@bkras483
@bkras483 Жыл бұрын
You are correct. It was the Preakness that was the race of the decade. It was even on ESPN Top 10 sports moments of the decade, not the BC. The Preakness was a great finish not only sport-wise, but poetically beautiful. In exact matching stride to the wire, red and black horse, so perfectly matched that the oft-printed finish photo showed only SS as he blocked out EG.
@joechrow8341
@joechrow8341 4 жыл бұрын
This race boils down to the 3/8ths Pole at the 2:18 mark...This is where Easy Goer lost the race...look at Pat Day just sitting on Easy Goer and not pushing him at all as Sunday Silence moved toward the lead...Pat Day sits on easy goer like a statue...Anyone have any idea what he was waiting for?...This left him with too much ground to make up in stretch...Will never understand this ride and tactics by Pat Day...if he Pushes Easy Goer when Sunday Silence moves to the lead he would have won fairly easily
@michaelrichardson6051
@michaelrichardson6051 2 жыл бұрын
That is why he was called Pat A Day Late.
@dworkma
@dworkma 11 жыл бұрын
Oh wow. I would have loved to have been there. I was at the 89 Super Derby in Louisiana. Both were scheduled to run there, but Easy Goer scratched. Got to see Sunday Silence though. Magnificent horse.
@Nicole-qc5dh
@Nicole-qc5dh 5 жыл бұрын
How blessed we're we all to get these two dynamic champions in the same year!?! I miss these two.💓
@secondstring
@secondstring 4 жыл бұрын
Would've been more of a blessing to get them in separate years.
@sheilatruax6172
@sheilatruax6172 Жыл бұрын
Like Affirmed and Alydar.
@cd-jimenez3279
@cd-jimenez3279 7 жыл бұрын
Easy Goer and Sunday Silence combine race records- 34 Starts: 23 wins , 10 placing( 4 to each other, 1 third. #Enough Said #Champs#Cracks
@Arazi124
@Arazi124 9 жыл бұрын
I'm a racing fan from the UK and this great race was the first Dirt race that I watched on t.v. when I was a kid. For me, this should be rated as the best Breeders Cup Classic ever run because of the great rivalry leading into it between these two magnificent racehorses. I've watched back what Easy Goer and Sunday Silence did on the racetrack in 1989. It's clear that both would have been undefeated and Triple Crown winners had they not had each other to beat. I really feel as time has passed that both don't recieve the recognition that they deserve for how great they were. If you asked every race fan in America to rank the best horses that they'd seen the sad fact is that Zenyatta and American Pharoah would be ranked far higher than Easy Goer & Sunday Silence. That annoy's me. I know that what American Pharoah has done so far this year has been exceptional and he's clearly a super horse. However, in my opinion if you put Easy Goer or Sunday Silence up against the horses AM has beaten they would both have looked just as impressive.
@chrispafrieddreams9118
@chrispafrieddreams9118 3 жыл бұрын
I would argue that Alysheba best a stronger field, beating Seeking the gold, forty miner, and Cryptoclearance ( in the mud, in the dark) 3/2 on the two time HOY...
@anthonygreene6307
@anthonygreene6307 Жыл бұрын
Very well said my friend. As a kid watching I actually watched all 4 of these races live and was a easy goer fan.heartbreak but respect definitely to Sunday silence
@EASYGOERFLIES
@EASYGOERFLIES 13 жыл бұрын
Edwin Pope also said it, "After being in the clouds for the first 6 1/2f of the race, Pat Day put out the fire of a splendid Hall of Fame champion colt's in full flame. If McCarron and Day had switched mounts, or Cordero or Laffit rode Easy Goer, Easy Goer's champion chestnut head would be fitted today for the crown of all racing." I agree
@grantp4022
@grantp4022 Жыл бұрын
Both great horses, and a thrilling fantastic race from both horses. Something I've always liked about Easy Goer, was his smooth and easy power, and stamina. If this race was 1.5 miles like the Belmont, Easy Goer wins it quite easy, as you can see him toward the end of this race, closing in on Sunday's Silence, but ran out of real estate. Also Goer's jockey holds him back too long, before making a move. This has cost Easy Goer some wins in my opinion. I'm a Seattle Slew, and Easy Goer fan, and you can't help but admire the sure greatness of Secretariat.
@jameshood1928
@jameshood1928 4 жыл бұрын
Sunday Silence, my favorite racehorse. He and Easy Goer had the best duels in thoroughbred history.
@11SEXMACHINE
@11SEXMACHINE 6 жыл бұрын
One of the most gutsy races I have ever seen. Easy looked done at the very top of the stretch and never gives up. He gave up 4 lengths to Sunday at the top and still about ran him down. It's my favorite Easy Goer race all time because it shows exactly the tenacious effort he gave every time he ran. Reminds me of Alydar.
@edmorales3951
@edmorales3951 Жыл бұрын
Ran him down? Are we watching the same race? Watching with your heart not your eyes. Good comparison to Alydar who also had secondnitis.
@michaelrichardson6051
@michaelrichardson6051 Жыл бұрын
​@edmorales3951 from 4 lengths back, because of his incompetent Jockey, to losing by a nose is running him down. EG deserved a better jockey than Pat, a day late, Day
@realtruth2817
@realtruth2817 11 ай бұрын
@@michaelrichardson6051 Just think if they go 1 1/2. lol EG by 10 again...
@3outof4SSwins
@3outof4SSwins 4 ай бұрын
@@realtruth2817 SS by 3 wins to eg 1 win
@3outof4SSwins
@3outof4SSwins 4 ай бұрын
@@realtruth2817 Take eg out his home state and hes not winning anything
@PhippsStable
@PhippsStable 13 жыл бұрын
Two of the all time greats, no matter how badly mistimed Day's ride was aboard Easy Goer, who was going double there.
@joechrow8341
@joechrow8341 4 жыл бұрын
During 1989 New York was the "Only" State in the Entire Country who did not Allow Race day Drugs...The Vet for Sunday Silence was not Allowed anywhere Near his Horse on This day...And we all Know What happened in That Race...He was absolutely "Trounced" by his Rival...That was also on June 10th and Easy Goers "5th" Race Since April 8th and he Still Crushed at 12 Furlongs
@johnc7149
@johnc7149 8 жыл бұрын
In hindsight SS has turned out to be an all time great both in his racing career and as a sire. His accomplishments are clearly defined. He beat EG a horse touted as the greatest ever 3 out of 4 times. Hes sired a triple crown winner and was the grandsire of two more triple crown winners. His progeny ranks among cape cross, urban sea, galileo, montjeu for the best in the last generation. Well done for a horse that was never suppose to amount to much.
@heartofalion1022
@heartofalion1022 9 жыл бұрын
The two best horses I have seen - Easy Goer and Sunday Silence.
@patstartstopday6487
@patstartstopday6487 10 жыл бұрын
In my opinion, regardless if Pat Day moved very belatedly, very tardily, or too late, or moved very precipitately,rashly or early, or moved at the proper moment, his major wrongdoings and defects were, he would characteristically ride hesitantly and indecisively. Day would characteristically make a move, then Back off and wait when he didn't have to wait, make a move, then back off and wait again when he didn't have to wait. This would either permit and enable other horses back in the race, and-or permit and enable other horses to get away.
@grantp4022
@grantp4022 Жыл бұрын
Both great horses, and a thrilling fantastic race from both horses. Something I've always liked about Easy Goer, was his smooth and easy power, and stamina. If this race was 1.5 miles like the Belmont, Easy Goer wins it quite easy, as you can see him toward the end of this race, closing in on Sunday's Silence, but ran out of real estate. Also Goer's jockey holds him back too long, before making a move. This has cost Easy Goer some wins in my opinion. I'm a Seattle Slew, and Easy Goer fan, and you can't help but admire the sure greatness of Secretariat.
@BE109
@BE109 11 жыл бұрын
The intangibles are PROVEN on the racetrack. Thank God for that!!!
@EASYGOER4EVER
@EASYGOER4EVER 9 жыл бұрын
Who is finer or greater? That is nonobjective and intuitive. They were both extraordinary Thoroughbreds. Though a small sample, they were mere inches apart from a even, level 2 to 2 when opposing one another in direct competition. Easy Goer did accomplish & achieve more in his career resu'me'.
@aaronmccurrie1006
@aaronmccurrie1006 9 жыл бұрын
Ariel Dovid What is with this "inches" from being 2 to 2 nonsense? Yes, Easy Goer lost the Preakness by a nose. But the only reason Easy Goer was within a nose was because he checked Sunday Silence on the far turn, probably costing him a couple of lengths. Sunday Silence was the far better horse on Preakness day.
@EASYGOER4EVER
@EASYGOER4EVER 9 жыл бұрын
Aaron Mccurrie A nose is inches. No excuses. Far better? That is nonsense and nonobjective. Try to be as unbiased as you can. I try and usually succeed at being as unbiased as I can. You can make legitimate cases that Easy Goer was "far better" also in some of these races. I wouldn't, but I'm just saying. The "only reason" what? You mean getting steadied or checked automatically means that it cost horses a certain amount of lengths in both winning and losing? We don't know that at all. I suppose, in the Derby, Easy Goer getting pinballed sideways, checked and totally cut off in a melee caused by Northern Wolf, cost him a few lengths and the win? Not necessarily, maybe, we don't know. Easy Goer also had his path taken away from him in the stretch by Dansel while having to change course. Did it cost him a few lengths and the win? Not necessarily, maybe, we don't know. As for your Preakness claims, Watch the head on footage of the Preakness on the 1989 ABC Full Belmont Stakes video here on this website at about the 10:45 to 12:00 minute mark. Easy Goer hopped at the break and broke in the air costing him a few lengths. Did it cost him a few lengths and the win? Not necessarily, maybe, we don't know? Down the back-side, Valenzuela and Sunday Silence forced Easy Goer out very wide to the middle of the track, which then forced Easy Goer and Day to make a big, early move. Did it cost him a few lengths and the win? Not necessarily, we don't know. Day and the horse legally passed him without cutting him off at all, but I think he steadied and idled because Houston came out a bit, and he didn't have enough horse at the time to stay with Easy Goer who was running at sprint speed. Did it cost him a few lengths? Not necessarily, we don't know. Regardless of that, then Valenzuela pinned him in extremely tight on the rail while they were brushing. Did being pinned and trapped on the rail being brushed cost him? We don't know, maybe. Did the brushing cost both horses? Not necessarily, we don't know, maybe. Day turned Easy Goer's head with the lead about 85 yards from the line. Did it cost him? Not necessarily, maybe, we don't know. You get my points.
@DELMARCLUB1
@DELMARCLUB1 9 жыл бұрын
Head to heads, scoreboards etc. Who was better? Better, like beauty is subjective and true in the eyes of the beholder. There are numerous factors, including but not limited to : superior career, superior & better body of work, GI wins, Graded Stakes wins, wins against older horses & open company, running times, avg running times at various distances and at all distances, head to heads, records set, still standing records, weights carried & weights conceded, stakes wins & stakes wins vs. open company/older horses, varying distances won at during career, superior campaign or campaigns, durability, constitution, superiority & dominance, injuries, rider errors, training and trainer errors, win/loss %'s, trips, amount of races run, post positions, campaign & career earnings with & without bonuses, races with drugs & medications allowed/used, races with no drugs & medications allowed/used, etc etc and many many more. They were both great horses. Other than SS's slight edge in head to head races, IMO Easy Goer was better than SS in most - if not all - these other factors & categories. But even after all of these numerous factors are factored in, who was better is still subjective. They were both greats, but IMO Easy Goer was a better horse, had a superior body of work, and had a superior career than SS even though SS held the slight edge in head to head races by the nose of his Preakness win. There is a lot more that can be said other than head to heads with other examples being: 1) Noor beat HOF champ Citation in 4 of 5 races head to head. 2) Beau Purple beat HOF champ Kelso in 3 of 4 races head to head. 3) Big Spruce & Wajima beat HOF champ Forego in 2 of 3 races head to head. 4) Damascus beat Dr Fager in 2 of 4 races head to head. Swaps and Nashua were 1 to 1 head to head. 5) Mehmet & Interco beat John Henry in 2 of 3 races. 6) Darby Creek Road also beat HOF champ John Henry in 3 of 3 races. 7) Cabrini Green also beat John Henry in 4 of 4 races. 8) Cutlass Reality beat HOY Ferdinand in 3 races. 9) Billy Kelly beat Triple Crown champ Sir Barton in 8 of 12 races. 10) Formal Gold beat HOF champ Skip Away in 4 of 6 races. 11)Star of Cozzene beat HOY Kotashaan in 3 of 4 races. 12) Pretense beat HOF champ Native Diver 5 times. 13) Summer Squall beat champion Unbridled in 4 of 6 races head to head. 14) Heritageofgold beat HOF champ Silverbulletday in 3 of 3 races. 15) Akureyri beat champion Pleasant Colony in 3 of 4 races, etc etc. The point is who was better in any way is subjectiv
@SargeKPHx
@SargeKPHx 10 жыл бұрын
Ah, Sunday Silence and Easy Goer what a great rivalry. I was for Sunday Silence in all the races but Goer was such a great horse I loved him as well. I really got serious about horse racing because of these two but after a few years of not really have another that won me like these two, I started to slip back to a more casual fan.
@EASYGOER4LIFE
@EASYGOER4LIFE 13 жыл бұрын
Easy Goer was one of the rare greats who combined blistering record speed at a mile and at shorter distances, with a thoroughly superb and amazing stamina to run the second fastest Belmont of all time, and was thoroughly superb and amazing at every distance of ground in between. Remember those baby hands and kid gloves riding that Drape accurately stated in his book.
@EASYGOER4LIFE
@EASYGOER4LIFE 9 жыл бұрын
" Easy Goer met and fulfilled those dreams and expectations embodied in his powerful frame and authored an unforgettable Hall of Fame championship career, and will always be mentioned in the same breath with the GREATEST of ALL TIME. Easy Goer and Sunday Silence were inches apart but miles ahead of their contemporaries. In the absence of either, each probably would have been a dominant Triple Crown winner with only history as a benchmark. Instead, each proved each others greatness."
@victoranthony9037
@victoranthony9037 6 жыл бұрын
Well said
@GlenWFord-ps8ts
@GlenWFord-ps8ts 8 жыл бұрын
Easy Goer would have won if he had made his move sooner. He holds the track time at Belmont as the second fastest horse.
@francescosmith2080
@francescosmith2080 7 жыл бұрын
He came late because he ran off the pace, he tried to move on the turn and got the worst of it, damn good horse, just lost to a better one....,three out of four times, enough said.
@DELMARCLUB1
@DELMARCLUB1 7 жыл бұрын
The great Hall of Fame champion Easy Goer was very versatile; he could go to the lead through blazing fractions, stalk close up, etc. Easy Goer also ran a still-standing record mile in 1:32 2/5, just 1/5 off Dr. Fager's world record and the fastest mile ever run by any 3 year old; second fastest Belmont of all time behind only Secretariat; ran some of the fastest editions of the Champagne at 1 mile, Gotham at 1 mile, Belmont at 1 1/2 miles, Whitney at 1 1/8 miles, Travers at 1 1/4 miles, Suburban at 1 1/4 miles, near 6 1/2f track record, and fastest 7f of the year in Florida as well. Certainly not enough said. Better? Better is totally subjective and includes and endless amount of factors, and even after all the other numerous factors are factored in, who was better is still subjective; and numerous greats were behind or tied vs. other horses. Citation lost four out of five times to Noor; Kelso lost three out of four times to Beau Purple; Dr. Fager lost two out of four times to Damascus; Forego lost two out of three times to both Wajima and Big Spruce; John Henry lost three out of three times to Darby Creek Road; John Henry lost two out of three times to both Interco and Mehmet; Shuvee lost four out of five times to Gallant Bloom; Sir Barton lost eight out of twelve times to Billy Kelly; Skip Away lost four out of six times to Formal Gold; Unbridled lost four out of six times to Summer Squall; Pleasant Colony lost three out of four times to Akureyri; and numerous others. Who was better is totally subjective and there are numerous factors, and even after those factors are factored in, who was better is totally subjective.
@DELMARCLUB1
@DELMARCLUB1 7 жыл бұрын
ss held the 3 to 1 edge. Who was better? Better, like beauty, is totally subjective. They were both greats no doubt, but IMO other than SSs slim edge in their head to head races, Easy Goer was better than SS in most - if not all - these other factors and categories. Both greats, but In my opinion Easy Goer was a better horse than SS, and had a superior body of work and career than SS. But of course, once again, better in any way is still totally subjective. Many many greats were behind or tied on the head to head scoreboard - Citation, Kelso, Easy Goer, Forego, Skip Away, Dr Fager, Damascus, Arts and Letters, Swaps, Nashua, Round Table, Ancient Title, John Henry, Unbridled, Silverbulletday, Serenas Song, Pleasant Colony, Sir Barton, Ferdinand, Native Diver, and many many others. Easy Goer was much more flashy & dominant, while SS was more workmanlike. Who was better though? Better, like beauty is subjective and true in the eyes of the beholder. Better is subjective, and there are numerous factors. And even after those factors are factored in, who was better is totally subjective. Noor beat immortal Citation 4 out of 5 races. Beau Purple beat immortal Kelso 3 out of 4. Big Spruce beat immortal Forego 2 out of 3. Interco and Mehmet beat lengendary champ John Henry 2 out of 3. Cabrini Green beat John Henry 4 of 4. Darby Creek Road beat legendary John Henry 3 of 3. HOF (Hall of Fame) champ Damascus beat HOF champ Dr Fager 2 out of 4. Cutlass Reality beat HOY Ferdinand 3 times. Billy Kelly beat Triple Crown winner Sir Barton 8 of 12. Formal Gold beat HOF HOY champ Skip Away 4 out of 6. HOF champ Majestic Prince beat HOF HOY champ Arts and Letters 2 out of 3. Pretense beat HOF champ Native Diver 5 times. Clem beat HOF HOY champ Round Table 3 times. Summer Squall beat Champion Unbridled 4 out of 6. Heritageofgold beat HOF champ Silverbulletday 3 out of 3 times. Jewel Princess beat HOF champion Serenas Song in 3 of 3 races. Crystal Water beat HOF champ Ancient Title 4 times. Akureyri beat Champ Pleasant Colony 3 out of 4. Who is better? That is totally subjective. There are numerous factors, including but not limited to : superior career, superior and better body of work, GI wins, Graded Stakes wins, wins against older horses and open company, running times, avg running times at various distances and at all distances, head to heads, records set, still standing records, weights carried and weights conceded, stakes wins and stakes wins vs. open company/older horses, varying distances won at during career, superior campaign or campaigns, durability, constitution, superiority and dominance, injuries, rider errors, training and trainer errors, win/loss %s, trips, amount of races run, post positions, campaign and career earnings with and without bonuses, races with drugs and medications allowed/used, races with no drugs and medications allowed/used, etc etc and many many more. But even after those factors are factored in, who was better is still totally subjective. Easy Goer and SS were both greats. Easy Goer won 12 total stakes, 9 Grade 1 wins at distances of 7f, 8f, 9f, 10f, and 12f showing versatility on all tracks and many distances. SS won 7 total stakes, 6 Grade 1 wins but only at distances from 9f to 10f. Both versatile indeed, but that is a big difference in versatility. Easy Goer also defeated older horses Six times at ages three and four while conceding a good amount of weight in quite a few of them. SS defeated older horses only two times at ages three and four. Many other factors would favor Easy Goer over SS as well, including a) amount of career races able to run - 20 to 14 ; b) amount of total career wins - 14 to 9 ; c) running times at all distances ; d) average running times at all distances ; e) career earnings without bonuses - about $ 4.8 million to about $ 3. 8 million ; f) career winning percentage - 70% to 64% ; g) Grade 1 wins - 9 to 6 ; h) total stakes wins - 12 to 7 ; i) wins vs older horses/open/unrestricted at ages three and four - 6 to 2 ; j) Grade 1 stakes wins at various distances - EG at 7f, 8f, 9f, 10f and 12f, SS at only 9f to 10f ; k) Easy Goer never was defeated by more than 2 and a half lengths in any race in a much longer career, SS never was defeated by more than 8 lengths in any race in a much shorter career ; other factors that would favor Easy Goer would be varying distances won at, records set, near records set, still standing records, running times, avg running times at all distances, amount of races with no drugs and medications, campaigns, durability, constitution, dominance and superiority in races - average win margin and average loss margin, weights carried, weight concessions, etc. They were both greats no doubt, but IMO other than SSs slim edge in their head to head races, Easy Goer was better than SS in most - if not all - these other factors and categories. Both greats, but In my opinion Easy Goer was a better horse than SS, and had a superior body of work and career than SS. But of course, once again, better in any way is still totally subjective.
@heartofalion1022
@heartofalion1022 7 жыл бұрын
Indeed, very true.
@patronfranklinesqueday9283
@patronfranklinesqueday9283 7 жыл бұрын
Totally expected from Pat ron franklin-esque Day. Many of Pat Ron Franklin esque Day's rides on Easy Goer, Forty Niner, Seeking the Gold, Sky Classic, Turkoman, Heavenly Prize, Rampage, Timber Country, Menifee, Surfside, Java Gold, etc were Ron Franklin - esque! Pat ron franklin esque Day rode Easy Goer -- and many other horses -- like a teenager at the wheels of a Ferrari. Pat ron franklin esque Day never came to terms with the immense power and big-time speed at his disposal and how and when to use it. Go yield idle go, go yield idle go, inside, outside, back inside, back outside. Yes, better is definitely subjective. Having acknowledged that: Take nothing away from Sunday Silence as he was a great horse, but Easy Goer was a superior, greater, better, stronger and faster horse; Pat Valenzuela and Chris McCarron were better jockeys than Pat Day, a.k.a Pat ron franklin-esque Day; and the master trainer Charlie the Bald Eagle Whittingham was a better trainer than Claude Shug McGaughey. Where was Woody Stephens, Allen Jerkens, Cordero, Bailey, Pincay, Stevens? Easy Goer wins the Preakness and Classic had any of these been his trainer and jockey. The only way Citation wins a race was if Noor hadn't been in it. The only way Kelso wins a race was if Beau Purple hadn't been in it. The only way Dr. Fager wins a race was if Damascus hadn't been in it. The only way Forego wins a race was if Big Spruce hadn't been in it.
@EASYGOER4LIFE
@EASYGOER4LIFE 11 жыл бұрын
The Bloodhorse: "Easy Goer MET and FULFILLED those dreams and expectations embodied in his powerful frame and authored an unforgettable Hall of Fame champions career, and will always be mentioned in the same breath with the GREATEST of ALL TIME."
@PatWaitAllDay
@PatWaitAllDay 10 жыл бұрын
Pat Day's quintessential riding- take off full of run, then ease up, then take in hand, then grabbed a hold, then geared down, no hand coaxing, no cross reining, no reins shaken, start stop, confusing, commit then uncommit, etc.
@DELMARCLUB1
@DELMARCLUB1 10 жыл бұрын
Who was better? Who would people take? Better is subjective, & true in the eyes of the beholder. In 5 big, important stakes races, Noor bested Citation in 4 of the 5. In 4 big, important races, Beau Purple bested Kelso in 3 of the 4. In 3 big, important stakes races, Big Spruce bested Forego in 2 of the 3. In 3 other big, important stakes races, Wajima bested Forego in 2 of the 3. In 3 big, important stakes races, Interco bested John Henry in 2 of the 3. In 3 other big, important stakes races, Mehmet bested John Henry in 2 of the 3. Cabrini Green also bested John Henry 4 times. Crystal Water bested Ancient Title in 4 big, important stakes races. In 4 big, important stakes races, Damascus bested Dr Fager in 2 of the 4 races. Cutlass Reality bested Ferdinand in 3 big, important stakes races. In 12 big, important stakes races, Billy Kelly bested Hall of Fame Triple Crown champion Sir Barton in 8 of the 12. Pretense bested Native Diver in 5 big, important stakes races. In 6 big, important stakes races, Formal Gold bested Skip Away in 4 of the 6. In 4 big, important stakes races, Akureyri bested Pleasant Colony in 3 of the 4. Who people would take & who was better is subjective.
@raygordonteacheschess5501
@raygordonteacheschess5501 4 жыл бұрын
It wasn't the Triple Crown when Sir Barton won it.
@florancerudi
@florancerudi 4 жыл бұрын
What a fantastic horse race that was I remember it like it was yesterday Tom Durkin on the call........ Sunday silence
@flylion132
@flylion132 14 жыл бұрын
As many racing experts from all over the country stated, but was stated so correctly by Paul Moran of ESPN, "Easy Goer was the better and more extraordinarily talented horse, but was defeated by a whisker and desperate neck because Pat Day rode him horribly, rode him like the exposed end of a live wire." So true and correct.
@EASYGOER4LIFE
@EASYGOER4LIFE 13 жыл бұрын
ERNIE! Your own words will live FOREVER and ever! Ernie says, "HALL of FAME champion EASY GOER was a TRUE ALL TIME GREAT, a RARE true all time great, fastest three year old mile of all-time in 1:32, second fastest Belmont of all time, many of the most historic races won by many Hall of Fame horses on or near track records. He deserved better in that supreme campaign he was put through." Ernie's words will live forever and ever.
@DELMARCLUB1
@DELMARCLUB1 8 жыл бұрын
Easy Goer & SS both turned out to be all time greats with great accomplishments. Many many greats were behind or tied on the head to head scoreboard - Citation, Kelso, Easy Goer, Forego, Skip Away, Dr. Fager, Damascus, Swaps, Nashua, John Henry, Sir Barton among many others were behind or tied in head to heads. Easy Goer was much more flashy & dominant, while SS was more workmanlike. EG died young with only a few crops of foals sired, & still amazingly was/has been influential with numerous G1 winning offspring and descendants. SS & Northern Taste certainly have been the best sires that Japan has had. Who was better though? Better, like beauty is subjective and true in the eyes of the beholder. There are numerous factors, including but not limited to : superior career, superior & better body of work, GI wins, Graded Stakes wins, wins against older horses & open company, running times, avg running times at various distances and at all distances, head to heads, records set, still standing records, weights carried & weights conceded, stakes wins & stakes wins vs. open company/older horses, varying distances won at during career, superior campaign or campaigns, durability, constitution, superiority & dominance, injuries, rider errors, training and trainer errors, win/loss %'s, trips, amount of races run, post positions, campaign & career earnings with & without bonuses, races with drugs & medications allowed/used, races with no drugs & medications allowed/used, etc etc and many many more. They were both great horses. Other than SS's slight edge in head to head races, IMO Easy Goer was better than SS in most - if not all - these other factors & categories. But even after all of these numerous factors are factored in, who was better is still subjective. They were both greats, but IMO Easy Goer was a better horse, had a superior body of work, and had a superior career than SS even though SS held the slight edge in head to head races by the nose of his Preakness win. There is a lot more that can be said other than head to heads with other examples being: 1) Noor beat HOF champ Citation in 4 of 5 races head to head. 2) Beau Purple beat HOF champ Kelso in 3 of 4 races head to head. 3) Big Spruce & Wajima beat HOF champ Forego in 2 of 3 races head to head. 4) Damascus beat Dr Fager in 2 of 4 races head to head. Swaps and Nashua were 1 to 1 head to head. 5) Mehmet & Interco beat John Henry in 2 of 3 races. 6) Darby Creek Road also beat HOF champ John Henry in 3 of 3 races. 7) Cabrini Green also beat John Henry in 4 of 4 races. 8) Cutlass Reality beat HOY Ferdinand in 3 races. 9) Billy Kelly beat Triple Crown champ Sir Barton in 8 of 12 races. 10) Formal Gold beat HOF champ Skip Away in 4 of 6 races. 11) Star of Cozzene beat HOY Kotashaan in 3 of 4 races. 12) Pretense beat HOF champ Native Diver 5 times. 13) Summer Squall beat champion Unbridled in 4 of 6 races head to head. 14) Heritageofgold beat HOF champ Silverbulletday in 3 of 3 races. 15) Akureyri beat champion Pleasant Colony in 3 of 4 races, etc etc. The point is who was better in any way is subjective.
@DELMARCLUB1
@DELMARCLUB1 8 жыл бұрын
+Travis West All the five year old troll Travis Bickle can do is 'laugh his butt off' and troll and then delete hundreds of his comments, state numerous false bs and false accusations, etc.
@ArtietheArchon
@ArtietheArchon 8 жыл бұрын
+DELMARCLUB1 I'm no expert but I do always ail a little when I think of Dr Fager and Damascus. it always took two horses to beat Dr Fager if you know what I mean
@connorduke4619
@connorduke4619 8 жыл бұрын
+DELMARCLUB1 That's why for me the top 5 horses of all time are (in order): Secretariat, Phar Lap, Sea Bird II, Man O War and Ribot as no single rival consistently ever got their measure (at least not after PL was gelded).
@DELMARCLUB1
@DELMARCLUB1 7 жыл бұрын
It's too numerous to count, and I can add another one which I and most others never mention: Hall of Fame champion Gallant Bloom beat HOF champ Shuvee in 4 of 5 races head to head, yet BH ranked GB nine spots lower than Shuvee. Not that BH is any authority, but just a note on that. There are numerous examples besides Affirmed, Secretariat, Easy Goer etc. A) Noor beat HOF champ Citation in 4 of 5 races head to head; B) Beau Purple beat HOF champ Kelso in 3 of 4 races head to head; C) Big Spruce & Wajima beat HOF champ Forego in 2 of 3 races head to head; D) Damascus beat Dr Fager in 2 of 4 races head to head. Swaps and Nashua were 1 to 1 head to head; E) Mehmet & Interco beat John Henry in 2 of 3 races; F) Darby Creek Road also beat HOF champ John Henry in 3 of 3 races; G) Cabrini Green also beat John Henry in 4 of 4 races; H) Cutlass Reality beat HOY Ferdinand in 3 races; I) Billy Kelly beat Triple Crown champ Sir Barton in 8 of 12 races; J) Formal Gold beat HOF champ Skip Away in 4 of 6 races; K) Star of Cozzene beat HOY Kotashaan in 3 of 4 races; L) Pretense beat HOF champ Native Diver 5 times; m) Summer Squall beat champion Unbridled in 4 of 6 races head to head; N) Heritageofgold beat HOF champ Silverbulletday in 3 of 3 races; O ) Akureyri beat champion Pleasant Colony in 3 of 4 aces, etc etc.
@connorduke4619
@connorduke4619 7 жыл бұрын
Great analysis, but I beg to differ on your conclusion. The point is that there is *not much difference between most top horses*, bar a few exceptions at the very end of the normal distribution curve. And depending on track, conditions, distance, weight then it would be hard to predict the outcome if let's say Kelso v. Mill Reef. But there are a few exceptions. Dr Fager is one - he only lost twice to Damascus because the latter had a rabbit in the race a tactic no longer legal, this does not tell me Damascus is the faster racehorse. Secretariat, Ribot, Sea Bird II, Man O War who aside from winning sprints and staying races, either did not lose or if they lost there were sound racing luck reasons.
@patronfranklinesqueday9283
@patronfranklinesqueday9283 7 жыл бұрын
Pat suspended over 20 times for coke Valenzuela did outride Pat ron franklin esque Day, aka Pat start stop start stop start Day. So did McCarron for that matter. So did Pincay, Cordero, Stevens, Bailey etc. However, it was Pat suspended over 20 times for coke Valenzuela who actually was the one "trying to screw Pat ron franklin-esque Day the whole way around" by floating him very wide [8 or 9 wide] towards the barns on the back-side, and by trapping him and knocking him in very tight to the rail afterwards on the turn [so bad that Houston had to check] and thru the stretch. The video of the entire backstretch run into the turn is here on KZfaq, on the 1989 Belmont stakes - Easy Goer: Full ABC Broadcast. At the 11 minute mark of this 89 Belmont video, you can watch the entire back-side head on footage of the Preakness. It doesn't show Pat ron franklin-esque Day shutting off or cutting off Pat suspended over 20 times for coke Valenzuela. Valenzuela preposterously tried to turn it around on Day. Interesting also to note that Silence's owner Arthur Hancock assumed, like most others, that Pat Day did. However, on the 'Arthur Hancock on Sunday Silence' video uploaded here on youtube by Blood-Horse, Hancock even admits he didn't by saying at the 8:50 point of the video, "Easy Goer swept past Sunday Silence, and it looked to me like he might have shut him off. Silence dropped back a length or two, and I said to my wife that Easy Goer just shut us off. That's what I thought looking through my binoculars. But he didn't, he did not, he was far enough out there." Pat suspended over 20 times for coke Valenzuela was quoted in the Blood-Horse magazine saying, "I COULD HAVE gone with Easy Goer and sat IN BETWEEN him and Houston. There was room," Valenzuela said OF THE MOMENT AT THE FAR TURN when Easy Goer FLEW BY HIM. "BUT Easy Goer moved up on the outside of me EXTREMELY QUICK and GOT THE ADVANTAGE over us. I didn't think Easy Goer was going to make that big of a move that soon." Valenzuela's credibility, however, is severely lacking. Pat suspended over 20 times for coke Valenzuela doesn't just lose an immense amount of credibility because he was and is a chronic life-long cocaine addict. He loses just as much -- if not more -- of an immense amount of credibility due to many other reasons, including numerous bizarre and erratic statements that came out of his mouth, and his devious gamesmanship and race-riding shenanigans etc. Valenzuela, however, could ride with the best of them, and who knows what his career would have been had he not lost the majority of it to an endless amount of cocaine suspensions and being banned. McGaughey and Day were both pitiful. McGaughey was and is the most conservative trainer of all-time who rarely trained his horses for speed, no matter how much big-time brilliant speed the horse possessed. Pat ron franklin esque Day was the most tentative, passive, conservative, start-stop rider of all-time. Many of Pat Ron Franklin esque Day's rides on Easy Goer, Forty Niner, Seeking the Gold, Sky Classic, Turkoman, Heavenly Prize, Rampage, Timber Country, Menifee, Surfside, Java Gold, etc were Ron Franklin - esque! Pat ron franklin esque Day rode Easy Goer -- and many other horses -- like a teenager at the wheels of a Ferrari. Pat ron franklin esque Day never came to terms with the immense power and big-time speed at his disposal and how and when to use it. Go yield idle go, go yield idle go, inside, outside, back inside, back outside. Yes, better is definitely subjective. Having acknowledged that: Take nothing away from sunday Silence as he was a great horse, but Easy Goer was a superior, greater, better, stronger and faster horse IMO; Pat Valenzuela and Chris McCarron were better jockeys than Pat Day, a.k.a Pat ron franklin-esque Day; and the master trainer Charlie the Bald Eagle Whittingham was a better trainer than the most conservative anti-speed trainer Claude Shug McGaughey. Where was Woody Stephens, Allen Jerkens, Cordero, Bailey, Pincay, Stevens, Romero, Santos? Easy Goer wins the Preakness and Classic had any of these been his trainer and jockey IMO.
@ctcs9162
@ctcs9162 6 жыл бұрын
How many times was Pat Day busted for blow? That number is not zero sir.
@patronfranklinesqueday9283
@patronfranklinesqueday9283 7 жыл бұрын
So fitting; to a tee. "Racetrackers mockingly referred to Day as Pat delay Day or Pat wait all Day. The way Day rode DROVE MANY a captain of industry, hardboot trainer and regular fan to the BRINK OF RAGE." 2) "Pat wait all Day's typical day to day riding was exasperating and many still grind their teeth remembering his rides aboard Java Gold, Easy Goer, Seeking the Gold, Forty Niner, Turkoman, Sky Classic, Rampage, Heavenly Prize, Timber Country and Menifee. 3) "Day rides slowly in a world where everybody, especially jockeys, is in a hurry. 4) "Day's tentativeness and patience as a reinsman was unnerving and exasperating for owners, trainers, fans, bettors etc." 5) "Pat Day said, "I was riding a horse for the master trainer Allen Jerkens, a trainer I rarely, if ever, got a mount for. After about 50 yards out of the gate, the horse came off the bridle. I ease him down to the fence, and we go a moderate half, just galloping. Turn for home, I picked him up, and I think, ‘I could win.’ But we get beat a half length or so. But I did my job, right? I could see Allen was agitated, kicking the dirt. I said, ‘Chief, he ran good. I got him to relax, slow down really good.’ “Slow down? Slow down?!” Jerkens was hot. “All horses got one weapon - their speed. Horses have been running away from their enemies for a million years, and I get a jockey named Pat Day who wants to change evolution!”
@joechrow8341
@joechrow8341 5 жыл бұрын
Chris Mccarron probably could not believe Easy Goer was 10 lengths behind him rounding the far turn
@chrispafrieddreams9118
@chrispafrieddreams9118 3 жыл бұрын
@@joechrow8341 it took a double take look, to find him..
@flylion132
@flylion132 13 жыл бұрын
At any rate, like many of the racing experts stated from all regions of the country, and even trainers like Wayne Lukas and Woody Stephens stated it, but stated the most correct by Paul Moran of espn, "Easy Goer was the better and more outstanding,extraordinary and remarkable horse, but was defeated by a whisker & desperate neck in two races because Pat choker Day rode him like the exposed end of a live wire, rode him horribly." So true and correct, I agree.
@johnosborne7031
@johnosborne7031 11 ай бұрын
Day blew it. As great a rider as he was, he blew it a lot to. I think back to the 1988 KY Derby. He waited way too long to make his move with Forty Niner. Yes, he had to work to save him breaking from the 17 gate, but it was only a neck and the bottom line was that he moved too late.
@jeffsnell2795
@jeffsnell2795 4 жыл бұрын
This Heads up Record Between both Horses was so Close that it came down to this "1" race by a "Neck" at the wire from being Tied at 2-2...And 1 Nose & Neck short of being 3 to 1 in Easy Goers favor...SS won 3 out of 4 but "3 of 4" Just "Sounds" Much better than the record actually was...if you Know the History of these 2 Horses Matches you will know just how "Close" the Heads up record really was...Some fans see that SS won "3 of 4" and are not even aware of any of the Circumstances ...Easy Goer Should have Won this race and Horse of the Year
@ssago100
@ssago100 4 жыл бұрын
Except for one race Easy Goer was unable to get past Sunday Silence.So that head is like a mile.
@traviswest9388
@traviswest9388 4 жыл бұрын
Jeff Snell Except with raceday performance enhancing drugs (and their significant advantages; but banned in the rest of the world and in NY during that era) like Clenbuterol, Sublimaze and Banamine, and crooked cheater doper vet Alex Harthill (arrested an endless amount of times for illegal doping & did more cheating with drugs to win horse races than any vet in history; but banned in NY, Illinois, NJ, Penn, Del, WVa, Va, Mass, Arkansas, Indiana, Ohio, Canada, etc) the drug dependent sunday silence was unable to even come close to the Clean Drug Free Easy Goer. So those 8 lengths were like 20 miles for the Clean Drug Free Easy Goer; and the nose and neck were like 10 miles for the Clean Drug Free Easy Goer. Even with the raceday performance enhancing drugs (and their significant advantages; but banned in the rest of the world and in NY during that era) and crooked cheater doper vet Alex Harthill (arrested an endless amount of times for illegal doping & did more cheating with drugs to win horse races than any vet in history; but banned in NY, Illinois, NJ, Penn, Del, WVa, Va, Mass, Arkansas, Indiana, Ohio, Canada, etc) the drug dependent sunday silence barely beat the Clean Drug Free Easy Goer by the slimmest of margins in a couple of races. The drug-dependent and crooked cheater doper vet dependent sunday silence's 3-1 was the same as Beau Purple's 3-1 over Kelso, or Noor's 4-1 over Citation, or Akureyri's 3-1 over Pleasant Colony, or Big Spruces 2-1 over Forego, or Formal Gold's 4-2 over Skip Away, or Summer Squall's 4-2 over Unbridled, or Gallant Bloom's 4-1 over Shuvee, etc., and an infinite amount of others.
@EASYGOER4LIFE
@EASYGOER4LIFE 13 жыл бұрын
ERNIE!Your own words will live forever and ever! Ernie says ,"Hall of Fame eclipse champion Easy Goer was a TRUE ALL TIME great, one of the RARE greats that come along ONCE in a lifetime. Record three year old mile of all time in 1:32.2,second fastest Belmont of all time. He deserved better(by his jockey's awful riding and his trainer) in that supremely historic campaign he was put through." Your words will live forever.
@lindaosika7648
@lindaosika7648 3 жыл бұрын
All these years later it's still exciting
@DELMARCLUB1
@DELMARCLUB1 5 жыл бұрын
Numerous greats were behind or tied on the head to head, including Citation, Kelso, Easy Goer, Forego, Dr Fager, Damascus, Swaps, Nashua, John Henry, Skip Away, Sir Barton, Pleasant Colony, Shuvee and many others; and who's better in any way is totally subjective period. There was the Test of the Champion Belmont Stakes where Easy Goer destroyed him in the only state in the entire country during that era that banned all drugs. Balanced against that are two wins by Sunday Silence against Easy Goer by the narrowest of margins, and a total of 3 wins which SS won by a combined margin of less than two and three-quarter lengths. So SS held the slight 3-1 edge against EG with 3 wins coming in close wins and a loss in which he was destroyed. Easy Goer also ran the record mile one full second faster than Secretariat's record. Easy Goer also ran a better, faster Ragozin speed figure than Secretariat did in their respective Belmont Stakes. Easy Goer also ran some of the greatest, fastest all timer performances at every distance he ran - 6.5F, 7F, 8F, 9F, 10F, 12F. Easy Goer generally ran faster times than Sunday Silence at all distances. Easy Goer more often ran faster times than Sunday Silence at all distances, including many outstanding, perennial all timer performances at every distance - 6.5F, 7F, 8F, 9F, 10F, 12F. Sunday Silence lost 36% of his races, mostly to lesser horses including Houston, Prized, Criminal Type, and Cro Lover. Better in any way is totally subjective. Neither the Easy Goer/SS example or the other ones I cite show that any of these horses was "better" (which is totally subjective anyways) or was able to consistently get the better of the other. All these examples show is the records of two horses in a VERY MINUSCULE number of races. A few races certainly would NOT be even close to a large enough sample size if you were trying to establish consistency on a statistical basis; nor is it even close to a large enough sample size to show who was "better" (which is totally subjective anyways). SS held the slight 3 to 1 edge over EG in the races they both ran in. Those are facts, but who's "better overall", "better in general," or "better" in any way are all totally subjective. "Better" is totally subjective and numerous greats were behind or tied in head to head records vs other horses, including Citation, Kelso, Easy Goer, Forego, Dr Fager, Damascus, Swaps, Nashua, John Henry, Skip Away, Sir Barton, Pleasant Colony, Shuvee and many others. Citation got beat 4 out of 5 by Noor; Kelso got beat 3 out of 4 by Beau Purple; Forego got beat 2 out of 3 by Big Spruce; Shuvee got beat 4 out of 5 by Gallant Bloom; Dr Fager got beat 2 out of 4 by Damascus; Pleasant Colony got beat 3 out of 4 by Akureyri; Triple Crown winner Sir Barton got beat 8 out of 12 by Billy Kelly; Skip Away got beat 4 out of 6 by Formal Gold; & there are an endless amount of other similar examples. Easy Goer also ran many more races in a shorter time period with much less time between races, and at more varying distances; & he ran mostly in the only state in the entire country at the time that banned all drugs. SS ran significantly less races with much more time between races, at less varying distances, & all but 1 of his races were run in states that allowed drugs. Sunday Silence's record (Lost 4 of 6 races; Losing record on his home track losing 3 races) on bigger tracks with a circumference of 1 1/8m or larger was very similar to Easy Goer's record on smaller mile circumferenced tracks. However, size of tracks, size of turns, straightaway/turn speed & acceleration, region, rider/rider tactics, trainer/training, drugs/medications not being allowed, etc etc, are just a few of the numerous variables, and cannot be simplified when there are many more factors and variables. It is much more complicated than that given the myriad of variables that determine the outcome of races. Failing to factor the numerous other variables in can lead to the wrong conclusions about why horses win or lose races. It makes no sense to look at cause and effect simplistically because other variables may have determined the outcome. Just because the Earth looks flat based on the way we actually see it, does not mean that it is flat. There are numerous factors, including but not limited to : superior career, superior & better body of work, GI wins, Graded Stakes wins, wins against older horses & open company, running times, avg running times at various distances & at all distances, head to heads, records set, still standing records, weights carried & weights conceded, stakes wins & stakes wins vs. open company/older horses, varying distances won at during career, superior campaign or campaigns, durability, constitution, superiority & dominance, injuries, jockeys, riding & rider errors, trainers, training and trainer errors, win/loss %'s, trips, amount of races run, track sizes, track circumferences, post positions, campaign & career earnings with & without bonuses, races with drugs & medications allowed/used, races with no drugs & medications allowed/used, etc etc & many many more. They were both great horses, but who's better is still totally subjective even after factoring in the endless amount of other factors. Easy Goer & SS were both greats. Easy Goer won 12 total stakes, 9 Grade 1 wins at distances of 7f, 8f, 9f, 10f, and 12f showing versatility on all tracks & many distances. SS won 7 total stakes, 6 Grade 1 wins but only at distances from 9f to 10f. Both versatile indeed, but that is a big difference in versatility. Easy Goer also defeated older horses Six times at ages three and four while conceding a good amount of weight in quite a few of them. SS defeated older horses only two times at ages three and four. Many other factors would favor Easy Goer over SS as well, including a) amount of career races able to run - 20 to 14 ; b) amount of total career wins - 14 to 9 ; c) running times at all distances ; d) average running times at all distances ; e) career earnings without bonuses - about $ 4.8 million to about $ 3.8 million ; f) career winning percentage - 70% to 64% ; g) Grade 1 wins - 9 to 6 ; h) total stakes wins - 12 to 7 ; i) wins vs older horses/open/unrestricted at ages three & four - 6 to 2 ; j) Grade 1 stakes wins at various distances - EG at 7f, 8f, 9f, 10f & 12f; SS at only 9f to 10f ; k) Easy Goer never was defeated by more than 2 & a half lengths in any race in a much longer career, SS never was defeated by more than 8 lengths in any race in a much shorter career; & other factors that would favor Easy Goer would be varying distances won at, records set, near records set, still standing records, running times, avg running times at all distances, campaigns, durability, constitution, dominance & superiority in races - average win margin and average loss margin, weights carried, weight concessions, etc. Other than SS's slight edge in head to head races, IMO Easy Goer was better than SS in most - if not all - these other factors & categories. But even after all of these numerous factors are factored in, who was better is still subjective. They were both greats, but IMO Easy Goer was a better horse, had a superior body of work, and had a superior career than SS even though SS held the slight edge in head to head races by the nose of his Preakness win. There is a lot more other than head to heads.
@JohnDoe-jp8fx
@JohnDoe-jp8fx 3 жыл бұрын
This was a trainer win SS ducked every race from the Belmont to the BC Classic ! It’s that simple. Ducked the Saratoga and Belmont meet Charlie was no fool he had a speed horse on a track rated for speed. Kind of reminds me of the Turkoman loss in the BC classic.....props to trainers who run and don’t hide from other horses. Money over fans sucks!
@geoffreywallace9432
@geoffreywallace9432 3 жыл бұрын
One of the great racing rivalries.
@johnc7149
@johnc7149 11 жыл бұрын
Some horses find their best when facing the best. Sunday Silence was definately one of those horses. Tiznow was another I could think of. What's truly amazing about Sunday Silence is how good of a sire he is. His progeny will live on forever and likely to be dominant on turf with Gentildonna, Ofevere, Goldship, etc all set to take on the Arc this year...
@DELMARCLUB1
@DELMARCLUB1 7 жыл бұрын
Head to head records in the books? Sure, there head to head records are in the books, much like many many other greats head to head records are in the books. Many many greats were behind or tied on the head to head scoreboard - Citation, Kelso, Easy Goer, Forego, Skip Away, Dr. Fager, Damascus, Swaps, Nashua, Round Table, Ancient Title, John Henry, Shuvee, Sir Barton among many others were behind or tied in head to heads. Who was better though? Better, like beauty is subjective and true in the eyes of the beholder. There are numerous factors, including but not limited to : superior career, superior & better body of work, GI wins, Graded Stakes wins, wins against older horses & open company, running times, avg running times at various distances and at all distances, head to heads, records set, still standing records, weights carried & weights conceded, stakes wins & stakes wins vs. open company/older horses, varying distances won at during career, superior campaign or campaigns, durability, constitution, superiority & dominance, injuries, rider errors, training and trainer errors, win/loss %'s, trips, amount of races run, post positions, campaign & career earnings with & without bonuses, races with drugs & medications allowed/used, races with no drugs & medications allowed/used, etc etc and many many more. They were both great horses. Other than SS's slight edge in head to head races, IMO Easy Goer was better than SS in most - if not all - these other factors & categories. But even after all of these numerous factors are factored in, who was better is still subjective. They were both greats, but IMO Easy Goer was a better horse, had a superior body of work, and had a superior career than SS even though SS held the slight edge in head to head races by the nose of his Preakness win. There is a lot more that can be said other than head to heads with other examples being: 1) Noor beat HOF champ Citation in 4 of 5 races head to head. 2) Beau Purple beat HOF champ Kelso in 3 of 4 races head to head. 3) Big Spruce & Wajima beat HOF champ Forego in 2 of 3 races head to head. 4) Damascus beat Dr Fager in 2 of 4 races head to head. Swaps and Nashua were 1 to 1 head to head. 5) Mehmet & Interco beat John Henry in 2 of 3 races. 6) Darby Creek Road also beat HOF champ John Henry in 3 of 3 races. 7) Cabrini Green also beat John Henry in 4 of 4 races. 8) Cutlass Reality beat HOY Ferdinand in 3 races. 9) Billy Kelly beat Triple Crown champ Sir Barton in 8 of 12 races. 10) Formal Gold beat HOF champ Skip Away in 4 of 6 races. 11) Star of Cozzene beat HOY Kotashaan in 3 of 4 races. 12) Pretense beat HOF champ Native Diver 5 times. 13) Summer Squall beat champion Unbridled in 4 of 6 races head to head. 14) Heritageofgold beat HOF champ Silverbulletday in 3 of 3 races. 15) Clem beat HOF champion Round Table 3 times. 16) Crystal Water beat HOF champion Ancient Title 4 times. 17) Akureyri beat champion Pleasant Colony in 3 of 4 races. 18) Gallant Bloom beat Shuvee in 4 of 5 races, etc etc. The point is who was better in any way is subjective.
@elimxp9370
@elimxp9370 9 жыл бұрын
One of the best, but that year's Preakness was a pretty good race too.
@LightningJanitorial
@LightningJanitorial 9 жыл бұрын
ELI MXP Been watching horse racing since I was a kid in the 80s. The 1989 Preakness still is the best race I've ever seen. Much better race than this one.
@seinfeld8812
@seinfeld8812 12 жыл бұрын
Great race thanks for posting!
@PhippsStable
@PhippsStable 9 жыл бұрын
Easy Goer, IMO, was the greatest horse since Spectacular Bid, Slew and Secretariat. Easy Goer showed the most ability and talent since these greats, IMO. Easy Goer did indeed have the better career, and they were a bare, scant nostril away from being two to two versus each other.
@harmonichebe
@harmonichebe 7 жыл бұрын
easy goer would never have passed affirmed with pincay up. alydar was better than easy goer but had the misfortune of being in the same crop as affirmed. their duel in the belmont neck and neck was jaipur and ridden, but over a longer distance. i loved easy goer, buy pat day cost him many races. sunday silence was a great racehorse, but could have been bought at auction, when twice the minimum on him was not met. secretariat, alydar, and easy goer would never have been up for sale, as they came from thoroughbred royalty.
@ericberend2039
@ericberend2039 7 жыл бұрын
Can't agree, about Alydar being better. When, did he beat older top handicappers three times at varying classic distances? Easy Goer stands alone, in several regards. And, he did it all without Lasix.
@harmonichebe
@harmonichebe 7 жыл бұрын
calumet was losing money and hustled alydar to then breeding shed at 250, 000 dollars per foal. they overbooked and caused alydar's early demise. affirmed beat older horses, and a tremendous 3 year-old in spectacular bid. listen, i loved easy goer but he couldn't beat sunday silence but once and wasn't even champion three year-old despite being the champion 2 year old. he was hurt drastically by having the brain dead pat day letting the pack get away from him and then getting easy goer pinned on the rail with no place to move. easy goer showed who he was in the belmont but in my opinion wasn't as good as alydar, who also had problems getting to the front.
@DELMARCLUB1
@DELMARCLUB1 6 жыл бұрын
"Better" in any way is totally subjective. Neither the Easy Goer/SS example or the other ones I cite show that any of these horses was "better" (which is totally subjective anyways) or was able to consistently get the better of the other. All these examples show is the records of two horses in a VERY MINUSCULE number of races. A few races certainly would NOT be even close to a large enough sample size if you were trying to establish consistency on a statistical basis; nor is it even close to a large enough sample size to show who was "better" (which is totally subjective anyways). SS held the slight 3 to 1 edge over EG in the races they both ran in. Those are facts, but who's "better overall", "better in general," or "better" in any way are all totally subjective. "Better" is totally subjective and numerous greats were behind or tied in head to head records vs other horses. Citation, Kelso, Easy Goer, Forego, Dr Fager, Damascus, Swaps, Nashua, John Henry, Skip Away, Sir Barton, Pleasant Colony, Shuvee and many others. Citation got beat 4 out of 5 by Noor; Kelso got beat 3 out of 4 by Beau Purple; Forego got beat 2 out of 3 by Big Spruce; Shuvee got beat 4 out of 5 by Gallant Bloom; Dr Fager got beat 2 out of 4 by Damascus; Pleasant Colony got beat 3 out of 4 by Akureyri; Triple Crown winner Sir Barton got beat 8 out of 12 by Billy Kelly; Skip Away got beat 4 out of 6 by Formal Gold; & there are an endless amount of other similar examples. Easy Goer generally ran faster times than Sunday Silence at all distances. Easy Goer more often ran faster times than Sunday Silence at all distances, including many outstanding, perennial all timer performances at every distance - 6.5F, 7F, 8F, 9F, 10F, 12F. Sunday Silence lost 36% of his races, mostly to lesser horses including Houston, Prized, Criminal Type, and Cro Lover. There was also the Belmont where Easy Goer clobbered him. Balanced against that are two wins by Sunday Silence against Easy Goer by the narrowest of margins, and a total of 3 wins which SS won by a combined margin of less than two and three-quarter lengths. So SS held the slight 3-1 edge against EG with 3 wins coming in close wins and a loss in which he was destroyed. Easy Goer also ran the mile one full second faster than Secretariat. Easy Goer also ran a better, faster Ragozin speed figure than Secretariat did in their respective Belmont's. Easy Goer also ran some of the greatest, fastest all timer performances at every distance he ran - 6.5F, 7F, 8F, 9F, 10F, 12F. Easy Goer also ran many more races in a shorter time period with much less time between races, and at more varying distances; & he ran mostly in the only state in the entire country at the time that banned all drugs & medications. SS ran significantly less races with much more time between races, at less varying distances, & all but 1 of his races were run in states that allowed drugs & medications. Sunday Silence's record (Lost 4 of 6 races) on bigger tracks with a circumference of 1 1/8m or larger was very similar to Easy Goer's record on smaller mile circumferenced tracks. However, size of tracks, size of turns, straightaway/turn speed & acceleration, region, rider/rider tactics, trainer/training, drugs/medications not being allowed, etc etc, are just a few of the numerous variables, and cannot be simplified when there are many more factors and variables. It is much more complicated than that given the myriad of variables that determine the outcome of races. Failing to factor the numerous other variables in can lead to the wrong conclusions about why horses win or lose races. It makes no sense to look at cause and effect simplistically because other variables may have determined the outcome. Just because the Earth looks flat based on the way we actually see it, does not mean that it is flat. There are numerous factors, including but not limited to : superior career, superior & better body of work, GI wins, Graded Stakes wins, wins against older horses & open company, running times, avg running times at various distances & at all distances, head to heads, records set, still standing records, weights carried & weights conceded, stakes wins & stakes wins vs. open company/older horses, varying distances won at during career, superior campaign or campaigns, durability, constitution, superiority & dominance, injuries, jockeys, riding & rider errors, trainers, training and trainer errors, win/loss %'s, trips, amount of races run, track sizes, track circumferences, post positions, campaign & career earnings with & without bonuses, races with drugs & medications allowed/used, races with no drugs & medications allowed/used, etc etc & many many more. They were both great horses, but who's better is still totally subjective even after factoring in the endless amount of other factors. Easy Goer & SS were both greats. Easy Goer won 12 total stakes, 9 Grade 1 wins at distances of 7f, 8f, 9f, 10f, and 12f showing versatility on all tracks & many distances. SS won 7 total stakes, 6 Grade 1 wins but only at distances from 9f to 10f. Both versatile indeed, but that is a big difference in versatility. Easy Goer also defeated older horses Six times at ages three and four while conceding a good amount of weight in quite a few of them. SS defeated older horses only two times at ages three and four. Many other factors would favor Easy Goer over SS as well, including a) amount of career races able to run - 20 to 14 ; b) amount of total career wins - 14 to 9 ; c) running times at all distances ; d) average running times at all distances ; e) career earnings without bonuses - about $ 4.8 million to about $ 3.8 million ; f) career winning percentage - 70% to 64% ; g) Grade 1 wins - 9 to 6 ; h) total stakes wins - 12 to 7 ; i) wins vs older horses/open/unrestricted at ages three & four - 6 to 2 ; j) Grade 1 stakes wins at various distances - EG at 7f, 8f, 9f, 10f & 12f; SS at only 9f to 10f ; k) Easy Goer never was defeated by more than 2 & a half lengths in any race in a much longer career, SS never was defeated by more than 8 lengths in any race in a much shorter career; & other factors that would favor Easy Goer would be varying distances won at, records set, near records set, still standing records, running times, avg running times at all distances, campaigns, durability, constitution, dominance & superiority in races - average win margin and average loss margin, weights carried, weight concessions, etc. Other than SS's slight edge in head to head races, IMO Easy Goer was better than SS in most - if not all - these other factors & categories. But even after all of these numerous factors are factored in, who was better is still subjective. They were both greats, but IMO Easy Goer was a better horse, had a superior body of work, and had a superior career than SS even though SS held the slight edge in head to head races by the nose of his Preakness win. There is a lot more that can be said other than head to heads.
@joshuagrenoble9187
@joshuagrenoble9187 10 жыл бұрын
Easy Goer finishing with a flourish soaring by, one jump short.
@weneedreagan
@weneedreagan 10 жыл бұрын
NO ANNOUNCER can compare to the FABULOUS VOICE of Phil Georgeffe who called the Arlingotn Millions and all CHicago races for decades. He was the best announcer. Can make a maiden $5k claimer sound like a death match...Awesome
@MJBYouTubeNetwork
@MJBYouTubeNetwork 10 жыл бұрын
You sure about that? Listen to Phil Georgeffe, and his voice, and listen to Tom Durkin's voice here. Tom Durkin also called a lot of big horse races here. Example: This race, the 2012 Travers, The 1992 Breeders Cup Classic, The 2007 Belmont Stakes, The 2002 Test Stakes, The 1995 Breeders Cup Classic, The 2001 Breeders Cup, The 2009 Woodward Stakes with Rachel Alexandra The Great. You cant tell me that Phil Georgeffe's voice was better than the voice of Tom Durkin's.
@kennethprice8710
@kennethprice8710 3 жыл бұрын
Jockey Pat Day badly misrode EG in this race waiting too long to make his move.
@kennethprice8710
@kennethprice8710 3 жыл бұрын
@G B not when EG is being restrained by a clueless idiot jockey no of course not.
@stevewikoff276
@stevewikoff276 3 жыл бұрын
Should have had Cordero up day costs him
@DELMARCLUB1
@DELMARCLUB1 6 жыл бұрын
Who was better in any way is totally subjective. There was the Belmont Stakes where Easy Goer clobbered him. Balanced against that are two wins by Sunday Silence against Easy Goer by the narrowest of margins, and a total of 3 wins which SS won by a combined margin of less than two and three-quarter lengths. So SS held the slight 3-1 edge against EG with 3 wins coming in close wins and a loss in which he was destroyed. Easy Goer also ran the record mile one full second faster than Secretariat's record. Easy Goer also ran a better, faster Ragozin speed figure than Secretariat did in their respective Belmont Stakes. Easy Goer also ran some of the greatest, fastest all timer performances at every distance he ran - 6.5F, 7F, 8F, 9F, 10F, 12F. Easy Goer generally ran faster times than Sunday Silence at all distances. Easy Goer more often ran faster times than Sunday Silence at all distances, including many outstanding, perennial all timer performances at every distance - 6.5F, 7F, 8F, 9F, 10F, 12F. Sunday Silence lost 36% of his races, mostly to lesser horses including Houston, Prized, Criminal Type, and Cro Lover. Better in any way is totally subjective. Neither the Easy Goer/SS example or the other ones I cite show that any of these horses was "better" (which is totally subjective anyways) or was able to consistently get the better of the other. All these examples show is the records of two horses in a VERY MINUSCULE number of races. A few races certainly would NOT be even close to a large enough sample size if you were trying to establish consistency on a statistical basis; nor is it even close to a large enough sample size to show who was "better" (which is totally subjective anyways). SS held the slight 3 to 1 edge over EG in the races they both ran in. Those are facts, but who's "better overall", "better in general," or "better" in any way are all totally subjective. "Better" is totally subjective and numerous greats were behind or tied in head to head records vs other horses, including Citation, Kelso, Easy Goer, Forego, Dr Fager, Damascus, Swaps, Nashua, John Henry, Skip Away, Sir Barton, Pleasant Colony, Shuvee and many others. Citation got beat 4 out of 5 by Noor; Kelso got beat 3 out of 4 by Beau Purple; Forego got beat 2 out of 3 by Big Spruce; Shuvee got beat 4 out of 5 by Gallant Bloom; Dr Fager got beat 2 out of 4 by Damascus; Pleasant Colony got beat 3 out of 4 by Akureyri; Triple Crown winner Sir Barton got beat 8 out of 12 by Billy Kelly; Skip Away got beat 4 out of 6 by Formal Gold; & there are an endless amount of other similar examples. Easy Goer also ran many more races in a shorter time period with much less time between races, and at more varying distances; & he ran mostly in the only state in the entire country at the time that banned all drugs & medications. SS ran significantly less races with much more time between races, at less varying distances, & all but 1 of his races were run in states that allowed drugs & medications. Sunday Silence's record (Lost 4 of 6 races) on bigger tracks with a circumference of 1 1/8m or larger was very similar to Easy Goer's record on smaller mile circumferenced tracks. However, size of tracks, size of turns, straightaway/turn speed & acceleration, region, rider/rider tactics, trainer/training, drugs/medications not being allowed, etc etc, are just a few of the numerous variables, and cannot be simplified when there are many more factors and variables. It is much more complicated than that given the myriad of variables that determine the outcome of races. Failing to factor the numerous other variables in can lead to the wrong conclusions about why horses win or lose races. It makes no sense to look at cause and effect simplistically because other variables may have determined the outcome. Just because the Earth looks flat based on the way we actually see it, does not mean that it is flat. There are numerous factors, including but not limited to : superior career, superior & better body of work, GI wins, Graded Stakes wins, wins against older horses & open company, running times, avg running times at various distances & at all distances, head to heads, records set, still standing records, weights carried & weights conceded, stakes wins & stakes wins vs. open company/older horses, varying distances won at during career, superior campaign or campaigns, durability, constitution, superiority & dominance, injuries, jockeys, riding & rider errors, trainers, training and trainer errors, win/loss %'s, trips, amount of races run, track sizes, track circumferences, post positions, campaign & career earnings with & without bonuses, races with drugs & medications allowed/used, races with no drugs & medications allowed/used, etc etc & many many more. They were both great horses, but who's better is still totally subjective even after factoring in the endless amount of other factors. Easy Goer & SS were both greats. Easy Goer won 12 total stakes, 9 Grade 1 wins at distances of 7f, 8f, 9f, 10f, and 12f showing versatility on all tracks & many distances. SS won 7 total stakes, 6 Grade 1 wins but only at distances from 9f to 10f. Both versatile indeed, but that is a big difference in versatility. Easy Goer also defeated older horses Six times at ages three and four while conceding a good amount of weight in quite a few of them. SS defeated older horses only two times at ages three and four. Many other factors would favor Easy Goer over SS as well, including a) amount of career races able to run - 20 to 14 ; b) amount of total career wins - 14 to 9 ; c) running times at all distances ; d) average running times at all distances ; e) career earnings without bonuses - about $ 4.8 million to about $ 3.8 million ; f) career winning percentage - 70% to 64% ; g) Grade 1 wins - 9 to 6 ; h) total stakes wins - 12 to 7 ; i) wins vs older horses/open/unrestricted at ages three & four - 6 to 2 ; j) Grade 1 stakes wins at various distances - EG at 7f, 8f, 9f, 10f & 12f; SS at only 9f to 10f ; k) Easy Goer never was defeated by more than 2 & a half lengths in any race in a much longer career, SS never was defeated by more than 8 lengths in any race in a much shorter career; & other factors that would favor Easy Goer would be varying distances won at, records set, near records set, still standing records, running times, avg running times at all distances, campaigns, durability, constitution, dominance & superiority in races - average win margin and average loss margin, weights carried, weight concessions, etc. Other than SS's slight edge in head to head races, IMO Easy Goer was better than SS in most - if not all - these other factors & categories. But even after all of these numerous factors are factored in, who was better is still subjective. They were both greats, but IMO Easy Goer was a better horse, had a superior body of work, and had a superior career than SS even though SS held the slight edge in head to head races by the nose of his Preakness win. There is a lot more that can be said other than head to heads.
@cominatcha6223
@cominatcha6223 6 жыл бұрын
DELMARCLUB1 Yeah Easy Goer did clobbered Sunday Silence in ONE race " on his home track" But in head to head match up Sunday Silence clobbered Easy Goer 3 out of 4 times so in the end.. who is the one that really got clobbered in head to head match up.
@traviswest9388
@traviswest9388 6 жыл бұрын
Travis West, cominatcha, smile wiper, gamebred, wiley, westbound, etc etc etc etc etc. You keep saying in each comment on each thread, you are done. Clobbered in head to head matchups? That's like saying Beau Purple clobbered Kelso in their head to head matchups, as Beau Purple was 3-1 against Kelso. That's like saying Noor clobbered Citation in their head to head matchups, as Noor was 4-1 against Citation. That's like saying Big Spruce clobbered Forego in their head to head matchups, as Big Spruce was 2-1 against Forego. That's like saying Cabrini Green clobbered John Henry in their head to head matchups, as Cabrini Green was 4-0 against John Henry. That's like saying Darby Creek Road clobbered John Henry in their head to head matchups, as Darby Creek Road was 3-0 against John Henry. Numerous greats were behind or tied in head to head records vs other horses, including Citation, Kelso, Easy Goer, Forego, Dr Fager, Damascus, Swaps, Nashua, John Henry, Skip Away, Sir Barton, Pleasant Colony, Shuvee and many others. Citation got beat 4 out of 5 by Noor; Kelso got beat 3 out of 4 by Beau Purple; Forego got beat 2 out of 3 by Big Spruce; Shuvee got beat 4 out of 5 by Gallant Bloom; Dr Fager got beat 2 out of 4 by Damascus; Pleasant Colony got beat 3 out of 4 by Akureyri; Triple Crown winner Sir Barton got beat 8 out of 12 by Billy Kelly; Skip Away got beat 4 out of 6 by Formal Gold; & there are an endless amount of other similar examples. Neither the Easy Goer/SS example or the other ones I cite show that any of these horses was "better" (which is totally subjective anyways) or was able to consistently get the better of the other. All these examples show is the records of two horses in a VERY MINUSCULE TINY number of races. A few races certainly would NOT be even close to a large enough sample size if you were trying to establish consistency on a statistical basis; nor is it even close to a large enough sample size to show who was "better" (which is totally subjective anyways). Hall of Fame champ Easy Goer never had to bring his track with him - EG won on mile tracks, 1 1/8m tracks, and 1 1/2m tracks. SS did not. SS lost 3 of 5 on 1 1/8m sized tracks (LOSING record at his home track losing 3 races there), and SS lost 4 of 6 on 1 1/8m or larger tracks. EG won G1 races at 7f, 8f, 9f, 10f and 12f all without any drugs running many more races with much less rest between races; SS ONLY won G1 races at 9f to 10f with drugs running much less races with much more rest between races; that's a huge difference in versatility. That's also like saying that Sunday Silence never won when racing without his drugs. That's also like saying that SS never won on larger circumferenced tracks (lost 4 of 6) of a 1 1/8 miles or larger. That's like saying that ss only (or only would) beat him with his drugs; that's like saying that ss only (or only would) beat him on smaller circumferenced tracks because ss's record on 1 1/8 miles or larger circumferenced tracks (LOST 4 of 6, and LOST 3 times at his larger circumferenced Hollywood Park track) was similar to EG's record on smaller circumferenced tracks. Who's better in any way is totally subjective. There was the Test of the Champion Belmont Stakes (the classic distance for the whole world) where Easy Goer destroyed him in the only state in the entire country during that era that banned all drugs & medications. Balanced against that are two wins by Sunday Silence against Easy Goer by the narrowest of margins, and a total of 3 wins which SS won by a combined margin of less than two and three-quarter lengths. So SS held the slight 3-1 edge against EG with 3 wins coming in close wins and a loss in which he was destroyed. Easy Goer also ran the record mile one full second faster than Secretariat's record. Easy Goer also ran a better, faster Ragozin speed figure than Secretariat did in their respective Belmont Stakes. Easy Goer also ran some of the greatest, fastest all timer performances at every distance he ran - 6.5F, 7F, 8F, 9F, 10F, 12F. Easy Goer generally ran faster times than Sunday Silence at all distances. Easy Goer more often ran faster times than Sunday Silence at all distances, including many outstanding, perennial all timer performances at every distance - 6.5F, 7F, 8F, 9F, 10F, 12F. Sunday Silence lost 36% of his races, mostly to lesser horses including Houston, Prized, Criminal Type, and Cro Lover. Better in any way is totally subjective. Neither the Easy Goer/SS example or the other ones I cite show that any of these horses was "better" (which is totally subjective anyways) or was able to consistently get the better of the other. All these examples show is the records of two horses in a VERY MINUSCULE number of races. A few races certainly would NOT be even close to a large enough sample size if you were trying to establish consistency on a statistical basis; nor is it even close to a large enough sample size to show who was "better" (which is totally subjective anyways). SS held the slight 3 to 1 edge over EG in the races they both ran in. Those are facts, but who's "better overall", "better in general," or "better" in any way are all totally subjective. "Better" is totally subjective and numerous greats were behind or tied in head to head records vs other horses, including Citation, Kelso, Easy Goer, Forego, Dr Fager, Damascus, Swaps, Nashua, John Henry, Skip Away, Sir Barton, Pleasant Colony, Shuvee and many others. Easy Goer also ran many more races in a shorter time period with much less time between races, and at more varying distances; & he ran mostly in the only state in the entire country at the time that banned all drugs & medications. SS ran significantly less races with much more time between races, at less varying distances, & all but 1 of his races were run in states that allowed drugs & medications. Sunday Silence's record (Lost 4 of 6 races) on bigger tracks with a circumference of 1 1/8m or larger was very similar to Easy Goer's record on smaller mile circumferenced tracks. However, size of tracks, size of turns, straightaway/turn speed & acceleration, region, rider/rider tactics, trainer/training, drugs/medications not being allowed, etc etc, are just a few of the numerous variables, and cannot be simplified when there are many more factors and variables. It is much more complicated than that given the myriad of variables that determine the outcome of races. Failing to factor the numerous other variables in can lead to the wrong conclusions about why horses win or lose races. It makes no sense to look at cause and effect simplistically because other variables may have determined the outcome. Just because the Earth looks flat based on the way we actually see it, does not mean that it is flat. There are numerous factors, including but not limited to : superior career, superior & better body of work, GI wins, Graded Stakes wins, wins against older horses & open company, running times, avg running times at various distances & at all distances, head to heads, records set, still standing records, weights carried & weights conceded, stakes wins & stakes wins vs. open company/older horses, varying distances won at during career, superior campaign or campaigns, durability, constitution, superiority & dominance, injuries, jockeys, riding & rider errors, trainers, training and trainer errors, win/loss %'s, trips, amount of races run, track sizes, track circumferences, post positions, campaign & career earnings with & without bonuses, races with drugs & medications allowed/used, races with no drugs & medications allowed/used, etc etc & many many more. They were both great horses, but who's better is still totally subjective even after factoring in the endless amount of other factors. Easy Goer & SS were both greats. Easy Goer won 12 total stakes, 9 Grade 1 wins at distances of 7f, 8f, 9f, 10f, and 12f showing versatility on all tracks & many distances. SS won 7 total stakes, 6 Grade 1 wins but only at distances from 9f to 10f. Both versatile indeed, but that is a big difference in versatility. Easy Goer also defeated older horses Six times at ages three and four while conceding a good amount of weight in quite a few of them. SS defeated older horses only two times at ages three and four. Many other factors would favor Easy Goer over SS as well, including a) amount of career races able to run - 20 to 14 ; b) amount of total career wins - 14 to 9 ; c) running times at all distances ; d) average running times at all distances ; e) career earnings without bonuses - about $ 4.8 million to about $ 3.8 million ; f) career winning percentage - 70% to 64% ; g) Grade 1 wins - 9 to 6 ; h) total stakes wins - 12 to 7 ; i) wins vs older horses/open/unrestricted at ages three & four - 6 to 2 ; j) Grade 1 stakes wins at various distances - EG at 7f, 8f, 9f, 10f & 12f; SS at only 9f to 10f ; k) Easy Goer never was defeated by more than 2 & a half lengths in any race in a much longer career, SS never was defeated by more than 8 lengths in any race in a much shorter career; & other factors that would favor Easy Goer would be varying distances won at, records set, near records set, still standing records, running times, avg running times at all distances, campaigns, durability, constitution, dominance & superiority in races - average win margin and average loss margin, weights carried, weight concessions, etc. Other than SS's slight edge in head to head races, IMO Easy Goer was better than SS in most - if not all - these other factors & categories. But even after all of these numerous factors are factored in, who was better is still subjective. They were both greats, but IMO Easy Goer was a better horse, had a superior body of work, and had a superior career than SS even though SS held the slight edge in head to head races by the nose of his Preakness win. There is a lot more other than head to heads.
@anthonygreene6307
@anthonygreene6307 Жыл бұрын
This gives me goosebumps still!
@DELMARCLUB1
@DELMARCLUB1 7 жыл бұрын
"Better" is totally subjective. "Better" in any way is totally subjective. Neither the Easy Goer/SS example or the other ones I cite show that any of these horses was "better" (which is totally subjective anyways) or was able to consistently get the better of the other. All these examples show is the records of two horses in a VERY LIMITED number of races. A few races certainly would NOT be even close to a large enough sample size if you were trying to establish consistency on a statistical basis; nor is it even close to a large enough sample size to show who was "better" (which is totally subjective anyways). SS held the slight 3 to 1 edge over EG in the races they both ran in. Those are facts, but who's "better overall", "better in general," or "better" in any way are all totally subjective. "Better" is totally subjective and numerous greats were behind or tied in head to head records vs other horses. Citation, Kelso, Easy Goer, Forego, Dr Fager, Damascus, Swaps, Nashua, John Henry, Skip Away, Sir Barton, Pleasant Colony, Shuvee and many others. Citation got beat 4 out of 5 by Noor; Kelso got beat 3 out of 4 by Beau Purple; Forego got beat 2 out of 3 by Big Spruce; Shuvee got beat 4 out of 5 by Gallant Bloom; Dr Fager got beat 2 out of 4 by Damascus; Pleasant Colony got beat 3 out of 4 by Akureyri; Triple Crown winner Sir Barton got beat 8 out of 12 by Billy Kelly; Skip Away got beat 4 out of 6 by Formal Gold; & there are an endless amount of other similar examples. Easy Goer ran many more races in a shorter time period with much less time between races, and at more varying distances; & he ran mostly in the only state in the entire country at the time that banned all drugs & medications. SS ran significantly less races with much more time between races, at less varying distances, & all but 1 of his races were run in states that allowed drugs & medications. Sunday Silence's record (Lost 4 of 6 races) on bigger tracks with a circumference of 1 1/8m or larger was very similar to Easy Goer's record on smaller mile circumferenced tracks. However, size of tracks, size of turns, straightaway/turn speed & acceleration, region, rider/rider tactics, trainer/training, drugs/medications not being allowed, etc etc, are just a few of the numerous variables, and cannot be simplified when there are many more factors and variables. It is much more complicated than that given the myriad of variables that determine the outcome of races. Failing to factor the numerous other variables in can lead to the wrong conclusions about why horses win or lose races. It makes no sense to look at cause and effect simplistically because other variables may have determined the outcome. Just because the Earth looks flat based on the way we actually see it, does not mean that it is flat. There are numerous factors, including but not limited to : superior career, superior & better body of work, GI wins, Graded Stakes wins, wins against older horses & open company, running times, avg running times at various distances & at all distances, head to heads, records set, still standing records, weights carried & weights conceded, stakes wins & stakes wins vs. open company/older horses, varying distances won at during career, superior campaign or campaigns, durability, constitution, superiority & dominance, injuries, jockeys, riding & rider errors, trainers, training and trainer errors, win/loss %'s, trips, amount of races run, track sizes, track circumferences, post positions, campaign & career earnings with & without bonuses, races with drugs & medications allowed/used, races with no drugs & medications allowed/used, etc etc & many many more. They were both great horses, but who's better is still totally subjective even after factoring in the endless amount of other factors. Easy Goer & SS were both greats. Easy Goer won 12 total stakes, 9 Grade 1 wins at distances of 7f, 8f, 9f, 10f, and 12f showing versatility on all tracks & many distances. SS won 7 total stakes, 6 Grade 1 wins but only at distances from 9f to 10f. Both versatile indeed, but that is a big difference in versatility. Easy Goer also defeated older horses Six times at ages three and four while conceding a good amount of weight in quite a few of them. SS defeated older horses only two times at ages three and four. Many other factors would favor Easy Goer over SS as well, including a) amount of career races able to run - 20 to 14 ; b) amount of total career wins - 14 to 9 ; c) running times at all distances ; d) average running times at all distances ; e) career earnings without bonuses - about $ 4.8 million to about $ 3.8 million ; f) career winning percentage - 70% to 64% ; g) Grade 1 wins - 9 to 6 ; h) total stakes wins - 12 to 7 ; i) wins vs older horses/open/unrestricted at ages three & four - 6 to 2 ; j) Grade 1 stakes wins at various distances - EG at 7f, 8f, 9f, 10f & 12f; SS at only 9f to 10f ; k) Easy Goer never was defeated by more than 2 & a half lengths in any race in a much longer career, SS never was defeated by more than 8 lengths in any race in a much shorter career; & other factors that would favor Easy Goer would be varying distances won at, records set, near records set, still standing records, running times, avg running times at all distances, campaigns, durability, constitution, dominance & superiority in races - average win margin and average loss margin, weights carried, weight concessions, etc. Other than SS's slight edge in head to head races, IMO Easy Goer was better than SS in most - if not all - these other factors & categories. But even after all of these numerous factors are factored in, who was better is still subjective. They were both greats, but IMO Easy Goer was a better horse, had a superior body of work, and had a superior career than SS even though SS held the slight edge in head to head races by the nose of his Preakness win. There is a lot more that can be said other than head to heads.
@heartofalion1022
@heartofalion1022 7 жыл бұрын
Pat Day said, ""It ran through my mind that I might lose the mount on Easy Goer after the Preakness. But then I shared some thoughts--I won't tell you what--with Shug and I felt better. I've always believed and I'll continue to believe that Easy Goer was a better horse than Sunday Silence. I've said it before and I'll always say it, I think Easy Goer was better than Sunday Silence, despite his slight edge in the head to head races. I'll go to my grave believing that. We lost two photos to him and the one in the Preakness was absolutely due to a rider error on my part, and my ride wasn't the best in the Classic." Shug McGaughey said, "I asked Day to ride Easy Goer for a few reasons, even though my No. 1 and No. 2 riders at the time were Angel Cordero and Randy Romero. One reason was, despite Easy Goer's superior breeding, his GI winning full sister Cadillacing who I also trained, was more of a one-run late-running sprinter. I had two aggressive jockeys ride her, both Randy Romero and Angel Cordero. Cordero, who was her main rider, was given proper instructions and knew her well. Cordero also rode their mother, champion Relaxing, who was trained by Penna. I'm going along with Easy Goer thinking he may only be a one-run late-running sprinter like his full sister Cadillacing. It turned out Easy Goer could run every distance brilliantly and do it in a variety of ways, and he had many runs in him. But I originally thought Day would be more patient on him than Cordero or Romero. I thought Cordero or Romero would be too aggressive of a rider on him. That's one reason why I chose Day." McGaughey, later after the Preakness, is quoted as saying, "I just want Day to be aggressive and, if it comes down to a mistake deciding the race, force the other rider into the mistake. I can't say I didn't consider changing riders after the Preakness. I also can't say I didn't consider a change in the future. Pat Day and I agree that he made riding mistakes in the Preakness. We had Sunday Silence beat and he let him back in the race." McGaughey also said, "The other reason I chose Day to ride Easy Goer was because Pat Day helped him by not crucifying him in his races and he brought me back some horse. He had soundness problems, but we stayed on top of it. Pat Day and I agree that he made riding mistakes in the Preakness. We had Sunday Silence beat and he let him back in the race. But in the other races, there were circumstances that contributed to what happened. In the Classic, maybe when Pat Day grabbed him after the start, the horse didn't understand what he was doing. Then Pat was content to sit and wait behind Sunday Silence, as he had done before, and the other horse got away from us, and we just missed and fell just a stride or so short. In my heart, I think Easy Goer is the better horse than Sunday Silence. I think anybody would say that if those two ran against each other ten times, each would probably win five."
@DELMARCLUB1
@DELMARCLUB1 9 жыл бұрын
Better horse. Margins. Rides. Charts on rides. Scores. Scoreboards. The official margin in this race was a neck. Clearly, it was a very rapidly diminishing neck, as Easy Goer zoomed by at the wire. The official DRF chart notes SS won "driving." McCarron was told not to hit the horse by his trainer due to his disdain for being whipped (as well as weaving tendencies), but what did he do for it to be "driving" in this race? He was repeatedly & continuously asking him ("driving") to run by throwing crosses (flicking & swooping with the reins, cross reining), and poking him (as McCarron said in the Blood Horse Nov. 11, 1989 article) on his shoulder, and showing him the whip with his left hand. Easy Goer was under a hand ride the last furlong of the Belmont, while widening his margin to win by 8 lengths. The chart noted EG won "ridden out" in the Belmont. Both great horses but who was better. The 'better horse'? Better, like beauty is subjective and true in the eyes of the beholder. There are numerous factors, including but not limited to : superior career, superior & better body of work, GI wins, Graded Stakes wins, wins against older horses & open company, running times, avg running times at various distances and at all distances, head to heads, records set, still standing records, weights carried & weights conceded, stakes wins & stakes wins vs. open company/older horses, varying distances won at during career, superior campaign or campaigns, durability, constitution, superiority & dominance, injuries, rider errors, training and trainer errors, win/loss %'s, trips, amount of races run, post positions, campaign & career earnings with & without bonuses, etc etc and many many more. And even after all of these numerous factors are factored in, who was better is still subjective. IMO Easy Goer was a better horse, had a superior body of work, and had a superior career than SS even though SS held the slight edge in head to head races by the nose of his Preakness win. There is a lot more you can say other than head to heads with other examples being: 1) Noor beat HOF champ Citation in 4 of 5 races head to head. 2) Beau Purple beat HOF champ Kelso in 3 of 4 races head to head. 3) Big Spruce & Wajima beat HOF champ Forego in 2 of 3 races head to head. 4) Damascus beat Dr Fager in 2 of 4 races head to head. Swaps and Nashua were 1 to 1 head to head. 5) Mehmet & Interco beat John Henry in 2 of 3 races. 6) Darby Creek Road also beat HOF champ John Henry in 3 of 3 races. 7) Cabrini Green also beat John Henry in 4 of 4 races. 8) Cutlass Reality beat HOY Ferdinand in 3 races. 9) Billy Kelly beat Triple Crown champ Sir Barton in 8 of 12 races. 10) Formal Gold beat HOF champ Skip Away in 4 of 6 races. 11)Star of Cozzene beat HOY Kotashaan in 3 of 4 races. 12) Pretense beat HOF champ Native Diver 5 times. 13) Summer Squall beat champion Unbridled in 4 of 6 races head to head. 14) Heritageofgold beat HOF champ Silverbulletday in 3 of 3 races. 15) Akureyri beat champion Pleasant Colony in 3 of 4 races, etc etc. The point also is who was better is subjective.
@Fbanz96
@Fbanz96 5 жыл бұрын
Sorry 3 out of 4 head to head. Sunday Silence better horse..period.
@DELMARCLUB1
@DELMARCLUB1 5 жыл бұрын
Fbanz96 Sorry, numerous greats were behind or tied on the head to head period, including Citation, Kelso, Easy Goer, Forego, Dr Fager, Damascus, Swaps, Nashua, John Henry, Skip Away, Sir Barton, Pleasant Colony, Shuvee and many others; and who's better in any way is totally subjective period. There was the Test of the Champion Belmont Stakes where Easy Goer destroyed him in the only state in the entire country during that era that banned all drugs. Balanced against that are two wins by Sunday Silence against Easy Goer by the narrowest of margins, and a total of 3 wins which SS won by a combined margin of less than two and three-quarter lengths. So SS held the slight 3-1 edge against EG with 3 wins coming in close wins and a loss in which he was destroyed. Easy Goer also ran the record mile one full second faster than Secretariat's record. Easy Goer also ran a better, faster Ragozin speed figure than Secretariat did in their respective Belmont Stakes. Easy Goer also ran some of the greatest, fastest all timer performances at every distance he ran - 6.5F, 7F, 8F, 9F, 10F, 12F. Easy Goer generally ran faster times than Sunday Silence at all distances. Easy Goer more often ran faster times than Sunday Silence at all distances, including many outstanding, perennial all timer performances at every distance - 6.5F, 7F, 8F, 9F, 10F, 12F. Sunday Silence lost 36% of his races, mostly to lesser horses including Houston, Prized, Criminal Type, and Cro Lover. Better in any way is totally subjective. Neither the Easy Goer/SS example or the other ones I cite show that any of these horses was "better" (which is totally subjective anyways) or was able to consistently get the better of the other. All these examples show is the records of two horses in a VERY MINUSCULE number of races. A few races certainly would NOT be even close to a large enough sample size if you were trying to establish consistency on a statistical basis; nor is it even close to a large enough sample size to show who was "better" (which is totally subjective anyways). SS held the slight 3 to 1 edge over EG in the races they both ran in. Those are facts, but who's "better overall", "better in general," or "better" in any way are all totally subjective. "Better" is totally subjective and numerous greats were behind or tied in head to head records vs other horses, including Citation, Kelso, Easy Goer, Forego, Dr Fager, Damascus, Swaps, Nashua, John Henry, Skip Away, Sir Barton, Pleasant Colony, Shuvee and many others. Citation got beat 4 out of 5 by Noor; Kelso got beat 3 out of 4 by Beau Purple; Forego got beat 2 out of 3 by Big Spruce; Shuvee got beat 4 out of 5 by Gallant Bloom; Dr Fager got beat 2 out of 4 by Damascus; Pleasant Colony got beat 3 out of 4 by Akureyri; Triple Crown winner Sir Barton got beat 8 out of 12 by Billy Kelly; Skip Away got beat 4 out of 6 by Formal Gold; & there are an endless amount of other similar examples. Easy Goer also ran many more races in a shorter time period with much less time between races, and at more varying distances; & he ran mostly in the only state in the entire country at the time that banned all drugs. SS ran significantly less races with much more time between races, at less varying distances, & all but 1 of his races were run in states that allowed drugs. Sunday Silence's record (Lost 4 of 6 races; Losing record on his home track losing 3 races) on bigger tracks with a circumference of 1 1/8m or larger was very similar to Easy Goer's record on smaller mile circumferenced tracks. However, size of tracks, size of turns, straightaway/turn speed & acceleration, region, rider/rider tactics, trainer/training, drugs/medications not being allowed, etc etc, are just a few of the numerous variables, and cannot be simplified when there are many more factors and variables. It is much more complicated than that given the myriad of variables that determine the outcome of races. Failing to factor the numerous other variables in can lead to the wrong conclusions about why horses win or lose races. It makes no sense to look at cause and effect simplistically because other variables may have determined the outcome. Just because the Earth looks flat based on the way we actually see it, does not mean that it is flat. There are numerous factors, including but not limited to : superior career, superior & better body of work, GI wins, Graded Stakes wins, wins against older horses & open company, running times, avg running times at various distances & at all distances, head to heads, records set, still standing records, weights carried & weights conceded, stakes wins & stakes wins vs. open company/older horses, varying distances won at during career, superior campaign or campaigns, durability, constitution, superiority & dominance, injuries, jockeys, riding & rider errors, trainers, training and trainer errors, win/loss %'s, trips, amount of races run, track sizes, track circumferences, post positions, campaign & career earnings with & without bonuses, races with drugs & medications allowed/used, races with no drugs & medications allowed/used, etc etc & many many more. They were both great horses, but who's better is still totally subjective even after factoring in the endless amount of other factors. Easy Goer & SS were both greats. Easy Goer won 12 total stakes, 9 Grade 1 wins at distances of 7f, 8f, 9f, 10f, and 12f showing versatility on all tracks & many distances. SS won 7 total stakes, 6 Grade 1 wins but only at distances from 9f to 10f. Both versatile indeed, but that is a big difference in versatility. Easy Goer also defeated older horses Six times at ages three and four while conceding a good amount of weight in quite a few of them. SS defeated older horses only two times at ages three and four. Many other factors would favor Easy Goer over SS as well, including a) amount of career races able to run - 20 to 14 ; b) amount of total career wins - 14 to 9 ; c) running times at all distances ; d) average running times at all distances ; e) career earnings without bonuses - about $ 4.8 million to about $ 3.8 million ; f) career winning percentage - 70% to 64% ; g) Grade 1 wins - 9 to 6 ; h) total stakes wins - 12 to 7 ; i) wins vs older horses/open/unrestricted at ages three & four - 6 to 2 ; j) Grade 1 stakes wins at various distances - EG at 7f, 8f, 9f, 10f & 12f; SS at only 9f to 10f ; k) Easy Goer never was defeated by more than 2 & a half lengths in any race in a much longer career, SS never was defeated by more than 8 lengths in any race in a much shorter career; & other factors that would favor Easy Goer would be varying distances won at, records set, near records set, still standing records, running times, avg running times at all distances, campaigns, durability, constitution, dominance & superiority in races - average win margin and average loss margin, weights carried, weight concessions, etc. Other than SS's slight edge in head to head races, IMO Easy Goer was better than SS in most - if not all - these other factors & categories. But even after all of these numerous factors are factored in, who was better is still subjective. They were both greats, but IMO Easy Goer was a better horse, had a superior body of work, and had a superior career than SS even though SS held the slight edge in head to head races by the nose of his Preakness win. There is a lot more other than head to heads.
@mauricewillims1656
@mauricewillims1656 5 жыл бұрын
@@Fbanz96 quite agree with you. E.g. have more fans and they always find a long story to tell you why he is better than ss. I think ss was better and no one can tell me. Other wise. 3 out of 4. Simple
@DELMARCLUB1
@DELMARCLUB1 5 жыл бұрын
Who's better in any way is totally subjective. There are an endless amount of all time greats who were behind or tied in head to head records, including Citation, Kelso, Easy Goer, Forego, Dr. Fager, Damascus, Shuvee, John Henry, Pleasant Colony, Serena's Song, Silverbulletday, Swaps, Nashua, Sir Barton, Skip Away and many others. There was the Test of the Champion Belmont Stakes where Easy Goer destroyed him in the only state in the entire country during that era that banned all drugs. Balanced against that are two wins by SS against Easy Goer by the narrowest of margins, and a total of 3 wins which SS won by a combined margin of lesst han two and three-quarter lengths. So SS held the slight 3-1 edge vs EG with 3 wins coming in very close wins and a loss in which he was destroyed. Easy Goer also ran the record mile one full second faster than Secretariat's record. Easy Goer also ran a better, faster Ragozin speed figure than Secretariat did in their respective Belmont Stakes. Easy Goer also ran some of the greatest, fastest all timer performances at every distance he ran - 6.5F, 7F, 8F, 9F, 10F, 12F. Easy Goer generally ran faster times than Sunday Silence at all distances. Easy Goer more often ran faster times than Sunday Silence at all distances, including many outstanding, perennial all timer performances at every distance - 6.5F, 7F, 8F, 9F, 10F, 12F. Sunday Silence lost 36% of his races, mostly to lesser horses including Houston, Prized, Criminal Type & Cro Lover. Neither the Easy Goer/SS example or the other ones I cite show that any of these horses was "better" (which is totally subjective anyways) or was able to consistently get the better of the other. All these examples show is the records of two horses in a VERY MINUSCULE number of races. A few races certainly would NOT be even close to a large enough sample size if you were trying to establish consistency on a statistical basis; nor is it even close to a large enough sample size to show who was "better" (which is totally subjective anyways). SS held the slight 3 to 1 edge over EG in the races they both ran in. Those are facts, but who's "better overall", "better in general," or "better" in any way are all totally subjective. "Better" is totally subjective and numerous greats were behind or tied in head to head records vs other horses, including Citation, Kelso, Easy Goer, Forego, Dr Fager, Damascus, Swaps, Nashua, John Henry, Skip Away, Sir Barton, Pleasant Colony, Shuvee and many others. Citation got beat 4 out of 5 by Noor; Kelso got beat 3 out of 4 by Beau Purple; Forego got beat 2 out of 3 by Big Spruce; Shuvee got beat 4 out of 5 by Gallant Bloom; Dr Fager got beat 2 out of 4 by Damascus; Pleasant Colony got beat 3 out of 4 by Akureyri; Triple Crown winner Sir Barton got beat 8 out of 12 by Billy Kelly; John Henry got beat 4 out of 4 by Cabrini Green; John Henry got beat 3 out of 3 by Darby Creek Road; Skip Away got beat 4 out of 6 by Formal Gold; & there are an endless amount of other similar examples. Easy Goer also ran many more races in a shorter time period with much less time between races, and at more varying distances; & he ran mostly in the only state in the entire country at the time that banned all drugs. SS ran significantly less races with much more time between races, at less varying distances, & all but 1 of his races were run in states that allowed drugs. Sunday Silence's record (Lost 4 of 6 races; Losing record on his home track losing 3 races) on bigger tracks with a circumference of 1 1/8m or larger was very similar to Easy Goer's record on smaller mile circumferenced tracks. However, size of tracks, size of turns, straightaway/turn speed & acceleration, region, rider/rider tactics, trainer/training, drugs/medications not being allowed, etc etc, are just a few of the numerous variables, and cannot be simplified when there are many more factors and variables. It is much more complicated than that given the myriad of variables that determine the outcome of races. Failing to factor the numerous other variables in can lead to the wrong conclusions about why horses win or lose races. It makes no sense to look at cause and effect simplistically because other variables may have determined the outcome. Just because the Earth looks flat based on the way we actually see it, does not mean that it is flat. There are numerous factors, including but not limited to : superior career, superior & better body of work, GI wins, Graded Stakes wins, wins against older horses & open company, running times, avg running times at various distances & at all distances, head to heads, records set, still standing records, weights carried & weights conceded, stakes wins & stakes wins vs. open company/older horses, varying distances won at during career, superior campaign or campaigns, durability, constitution, superiority & dominance, injuries, jockeys, riding & rider errors, trainers, training and trainer errors, win/loss %'s, trips, amount of races run, track sizes, track circumferences, post positions, campaign & career earnings with & without bonuses, races with drugs & medications allowed/used, races with no drugs & medications allowed/used, etc etc & many many more. They were both great horses, but who's better is still totally subjective even after factoring in the endless amount of other factors. Easy Goer & SS were both greats. Easy Goer won 12 total stakes, 9 Grade 1 wins at distances of 7f, 8f, 9f, 10f, and 12f showing versatility on all tracks & many distances. SS won 7 total stakes, 6 Grade 1 wins but only at distances from 9f to 10f. Both versatile indeed, but that is a big difference in versatility. Easy Goer also defeated older horses Six times at ages three and four while conceding a good amount of weight in quite a few of them. SS defeated older horses only two times at ages three and four. Many other factors would favor Easy Goer over SS as well, including a) amount of career races able to run - 20 to 14 ; b) amount of total career wins - 14 to 9 ; c) running times at all distances ; d) average running times at all distances ; e) career earnings without bonuses - about $ 4.8 million to about $ 3.8 million ; f) career winning percentage - 70% to 64% ; g) Grade 1 wins - 9 to 6 ; h) total stakes wins - 12 to 7 ; i) wins vs older horses/open/unrestricted at ages three & four - 6 to 2 ; j) Grade 1 stakes wins at various distances - EG at 7f, 8f, 9f, 10f & 12f; SS at only 9f to 10f ; k) Easy Goer never was defeated by more than 2 & a half lengths in any race in a much longer career, SS never was defeated by more than 8 lengths in any race in a much shorter career; & other factors that would favor Easy Goer would be varying distances won at, records set, near records set, still standing records, running times, avg running times at all distances, campaigns, durability, constitution, dominance & superiority in races - average win margin and average loss margin, weights carried, weight concessions, etc. Other than SS's slight edge in head to head races, IMO Easy Goer was better than SS in most - if not all - these other factors & categories. But even after all of these numerous factors are factored in, who was better is still subjective. They were both greats, but IMO Easy Goer was a better horse, had a superior body of work, and dad a superior career than SS even though SS held the slight edge in head to head races by the nose of his Preakness win. There is a lot more other than head to heads.
@johnc7149
@johnc7149 11 жыл бұрын
Good point doworkma. The recovery in the Preakness was amazing ithat performance is really what makes ss the better horse in my mind
@EASYGOER4LIFE
@EASYGOER4LIFE 11 жыл бұрын
Jay Hovdey stated it& I agree:"Without SS,Easy Goer would be thought of and up there the Top 5 all time best horses. Easy Goer would have won the Whitney,Travers,Woodward,Jockey Club Gold Cup,Triple Crown,Breeders Cup Classic,Suburban,Champagne,Gotham,Wood Memorial,etc" & many of these by big margins & extremely speedy clockings. "Without EG, SS(would have won the TC,BCC,etc) did not have the overall career or overall campaign as EG." Both clearly great. Inches apart but far ahead of their peers
@EASYGOER4EVER
@EASYGOER4EVER 9 жыл бұрын
Better horse? Who was 'better' is nonobjective & intuitive, but they both clearly were great Hall of Fame champs. Easy Goer was inches away (Preakness) from it being a level, even 2 to 2 (four races are a small sample) when opposing SS in direct competition (yes it still was 3-1 SS), no excuses here. Easy Goer did have a superior career re'sum'e & accomplished & achieved more in his career. In this race, Whittingham ordered McCarron to not hit him with the whip. They were both whipped in the other races they ran vs each other, though EG was hand ridden the last eighth of a mile coasting in the Belmont. Easy Goer was a Hall of Fame champion who ran a still standing (over 26 years & counting) record mile in 1:32 & change (fastest mile of all time by any 3 yr old) , ran the second fastest Belmont Stakes of all time behind only Secretariat, - ran among the fastest versions of many momentous races (Whitney, Travers, Belmont, Champagne, Suburban, Gotham, near 6 1/2 furlong record at age 2, fastest 7 furlongs of the year in Florida) at all distances. Easy Goer also ran a historic, strenuous, toilsome 3 yr old campaign (Belmont, Whitney, Travers, Woodward, Jockey Club Gold Cup etc). Easy Goer ran 1:53 4/5 for 9.5f in Maryland, and ran 2:00 1/5 for 10f in Florida, losing by inches and a neck in these races. Easy Goer also ran the fastest 7 furlongs of the year in Florida in 1989. Easy Goer ran 17 of his 20 total races in New York or Florida. His old school, old timer owner ran him mostly in the historic, prestigious Grade 1 races in New York & Florida (mostly NY, 2 in FL). EG was a Hall of Fame champion (SS was also) who didn't have any problem at all with shipping to other states and other tracks. He did specifically despise the quirky, peanut buttery, sticky Churchill mud and seemed to flounder in it being a huge, extremely powerful horse with chronically bad, puffy ankles, though his talent, class and ability landed him 2nd's in those races. Though EG won & ran great in mud elsewhere. He was among many great horses (Skip Away, Point Given, Go For Wand, Holy Bull, etc) who hated Churchill, however he never ran over a fast track there. I don't think it was about having it his way, the states, the adapting, the surfaces or shipping at all. They BOTH had to ship for the 3 TC races and the BC. Easy Goer ALSO had to ship & adapt to different tracks, states and surfaces as well, as his shipping schedule was- from NY to Florida for the winter, from Florida to NY, from NY to Kentucky, then back to NY in between, then from NY to Maryland, from Maryland to NY, then upstate & back downstate NY, then from NY to Florida for the BC. If my count is correct, that is the same amount of ships as SS. Easy Goer ran many more races (and ran a much more strenuous post Triple Crown campaign) and also never got beat by more than 2 lengths (also never finishing off the board) in his career. SS had a much less strenuous post Triple Crown campaign. You can also look at the timing, distance and spacing of the so called prep races. Easy Goer ran a record mile in the Gotham, then 2 weeks later won the Wood Memorial, then only 2 weeks later was the start of the Triple Crown races (total of 5 races in 9 weeks). SS ran his last Derby prep 4 weeks out. EG also ran in the 1 1/2 mile Jockey Club against older horses in his 'prep' for the BC (after the Whitney, Travers, & Woodward, and defeated older horses conceding weight in a few of them), while SS had one easy 10f prep vs three year olds in the 3 months leading into the BC. But to me, It was most likely much more about track circumferences. Easy Goer did win on ALL the major track circumferences of USA dirt tracks (1 mile, 1 1/8 mile, 1 1/2 mile). EG was an Undefeated 5 for 5 over 1 1/8 miles tracks at all distances. SS did not win over all tracks. In fact, SS lost 3 races over larger 1 1/8 tracks (at his HOME track of Hollywood) and lost his 1 race over a 1 1/2 mile track by 8 lengths. EG's record over mile tracks (4 losses though narrow losses) was very similar to SS's record over 1 1/8 or larger tracks (SS lost 3 races at his home 1 1/8mile larger track & lost 4 races over 1 1/8 or bigger tracks). I think Easy Goer would (did) have had an advantage running over moderately wide & wider turned 1 1/8 mile tracks (or larger), regardless of state or region, in: Florida (Hialeah Park), Chicago (Arlington Park, where they were supposed to meet at age 4), Hollywood (California), Atlantic City (NJ), Saratoga (NY), Aqueduct (NY), Laurel Park (Maryland), Keeneland (KY), Ellis Park (KY), Colonial (Va.), Belmont (NY), and the current Gulfstream in Florida is also NOW a larger 1 1/8 mile oval. SS would (did) have had an advantage of running against EG on any sharper, tighter turned mile track, including in NY if they ran at the mile oval in Finger Lakes. I think Easy Goer did (would) have an advantage over Sunday Silence on 1 1/8 mile tracks or larger (while SS did-would have adv. on mile sized tracks). The way we saw these two horses run around the different sized turns (not only when they ran vs. each other, but in their careers) at various distances. The fact that Easy Goer was an undefeated 5 for 5 on 1 1/8 mile sized tracks, won 8 of 10 on the 1 1/2 mile sized track (total of 13 for 15 on larger tracks), but lost 4 of 5 on mile tracks. The fact that Sunday Silence won 7 of 8 on mile sized tracks, but lost 3 of 5 on 1 1/8 tracks and lost a total of 4 of 6 on 1 1/8 or larger tracks. Easy Goer was a robust, massive, powerful, long striding horse with club feet & oversized, puffy ankles & knees & was well suited, far more effective & excelled on 1 1/8 miles or larger tracks. Sunday Silence was a compact, short-actioned, cat like horse who was well suited , far more effective & excelled on the tighter, sharper turns of mile tracks. I think SS had (& would have) an advantage on sharper, tighter turned mile tracks vs EG, while EG had (& would have) an advantage on the moderately wide & wider turned 1 1/8m or larger tracks vs SS.
@EASYGOER4EVER
@EASYGOER4EVER 9 жыл бұрын
Charles Ray Easy Goer and Sunday Silence are both dead dude! I am an admirer of both of these great, dead horses. For that matter, Man O' War, Secretariat, Seattle Slew, Affirmed, Citation, Noor, Kelso, Beau Purple, Onion, Angle Light, Prove Out, Spectacular Bid, Forego, Big Spruce, Dr. Fager, Damascus, Swaps, Nashua, War Admiral, Seabiscuit, Buckpasser and many others are also dead as well dude. Tell their admirers who comment on their videos to let it go also.
@EASYGOER4EVER
@EASYGOER4EVER 9 жыл бұрын
Charles Ray Clozapine is your friend dude! I am a thoroughbred racing fan, not a psycho horse worshiper. And what are you dude?
@EASYGOER4EVER
@EASYGOER4EVER 9 жыл бұрын
Charles Ray You are admitting you are a troll? That is really sad 'dude.'
@EASYGOER4EVER
@EASYGOER4EVER 9 жыл бұрын
Charles Ray Actually it sounds like you seriously are a troll.
@EASYGOER4EVER
@EASYGOER4EVER 9 жыл бұрын
Charles Ray Perspective & a sense of humor I have. Random, incomprehensible comments? Actually, You made aimless, purposeless, meaningless comments (replies) & insults. Now, you state your derogatory rudeness was you just being facetious. Either way, your replies were meaningless.
@PatWaitAllDay
@PatWaitAllDay 9 жыл бұрын
Easy Goer, the better horse exploded by him. Easy Goer exploded & flew like a shot around that sharp turn at Gulfstream Park in the Swale. In spite of when Pat Day moved, or in spite of how fast or how slow Day moved, he would routinely back down and pull back after making moves, and put out the fire which was in full flame. Confusing him, start stop, easing up letting him down etc cost the better horse.
@PatWaitAllDay
@PatWaitAllDay 9 жыл бұрын
Day- "Absolute rider error. I was on the better horse. I got him beat." Easy Goer exploded and flew like a shot around that sharp turn at Gulfstream in the Swale Stakes. Pat Day's own words on the Classic. Thoroughbred Times, Nov. 10, 1989 Mark Simon article: "My horse put in a big run up the backside. Then I THROTTLED him BACK, and Settled him, and gave him a breather." More of Pat Day's own words on the Classic: Nov. 5, 1989 Sun Sentinel Dave Joseph article, "My ride wasn't the most desirable or most satisfactory. My horse put in a big run, then I settled him and gave him a breather when SS went." In spite of when Day moved, or in spite of how fast or not that he moved, he would always ease up, back down & pull back & put out the fire when in full flame (let down, confusing start, stop, start, stop) after making moves, as he did in both the Preakness & Classic.
@sl7293
@sl7293 7 жыл бұрын
When Easy Goer regained the lead at the top of the stretch vs Easy Goer in the Preakness, you have absolutely no evidence to support your claim that he was confused. You have no evidence that Easy Goer lost the race as a result of being confused. He had the lead in a straight stretch of track where he was supposed to be faster than Sunday Silence. You have no evidence that Easy Goer wasn't motivated to run faster than Sunday Silence at the point in the race. The only thing that you or anyone else knows was that he had the lead in the stretch and on a straight section of track, but he simply could not beat Sunday Silence. It appears he was too exhausted to get the job done.
@heartofalion1022
@heartofalion1022 7 жыл бұрын
No, there is no way anyone can know that. Maybe Day knew or would know, as he was the one who used those terms and rode the horse. I found a few times Day used those terms. Day said, "We very possibly shouldn't have been defeated in the Preakness. I got hammered pretty good after the race, and I'm the first to say that it wasn't unwarranted. The race was a real dogfight. My horse made a big move down the backside, catapulted himself to the lead, and if there were any mistakes made, it was probably at that point, when I just didn't continue on with him." Day also said in the TVG Interview video, "I got him beat the first time he ran. Not having ever been on him, not knowing what kind of explosive acceleration he had, not knowing anything about him except that Shug was pretty high on him. He's handling everything like a pro in the race, but I was unsure how responsive he was going to be. I pulled the trigger not knowing I was going to get the response that I did. When I called on him he exploded. I was 'concerned' after pulling the trigger on Easy Goer and him exploding and committing to go on, and then letting him down and 'confusing' him, start stop start stop." Though that was only his very first race, and both McGaughey and Day later said that EG didn't figure things out until after his first race; the light didn't go on until after he ran that first time. We may gather from this that Day was concerned about this type of riding when riding Easy Goer in any race, and that he may not want to ride EG this way in any race. Or he may have only been concerned about this way of riding him being that it was only his first race. The latter would make sense because Day rode him in many races specifically in the way he described in the video that would be 'concerning' to him. Preakness, Classic, Whitney, and Woodward come to mind. In many races, win or lose, like the Belmont Stakes, Travers, Champagne, Gotham, Cowdin, Suburban, Met, Juvenile, Gold Stage, Wood Memorial and Swale Stakes, Day didn't ride him in that 'start stop start stop' kind of way, which Day seemingly was 'concerned' about.
@heartofalion1022
@heartofalion1022 7 жыл бұрын
Pat Day also said, "I've always believed and I'll continue to believe that Easy Goer was a better horse than Sunday Silence. I've said it before and I'll always say it, I think Easy Goer was better than Sunday Silence, despite his slight edge in the head to head races. I'll go to my grave believing that. We lost two photos to him and the one in the Preakness was absolutely due to a rider error on my part, and my ride wasn't the best in the Classic." Shug McGaughey said, "I asked Day to ride Easy Goer for a few reasons, even though my No. 1 and No. 2 riders at the time were Angel Cordero and Randy Romero. One reason was, despite Easy Goer's superior breeding, his GI winning full sister Cadillacing who I also trained, was more of a one-run late-running sprinter. I had two aggressive jockeys ride her, both Randy Romero and Angel Cordero. Cordero, who was her main rider, was given proper instructions and knew her well. Cordero also rode their mother, champion Relaxing, who was trained by Penna. I'm going along with Easy Goer thinking he may only be a one-run late-running sprinter like his full sister Cadillacing. It turned out Easy Goer could run every distance brilliantly and do it in a variety of ways, and he had many runs in him. But I originally thought Day would be more patient on him than Cordero or Romero. I thought Cordero or Romero would be too aggressive of a rider on him. That's one reason why I chose Day." McGaughey, later after the Preakness, is quoted as saying, "I just want Day to be aggressive and, if it comes down to a mistake deciding the race, force the other rider into the mistake." McGaughey also said, "The other reason I chose Day to ride Easy Goer was because Pat Day helped him by not crucifying him in his races and he brought me back some horse. He had soundness problems, but we stayed on top of it. Pat Day and I agree that he made riding mistakes in the Preakness. We had Sunday Silence beat and he let him back in the race. But in the other races, there were circumstances that contributed to what happened. In the Classic, maybe when Pat Day grabbed him after the start, the horse didn't understand what he was doing. Then Pat was content to sit and wait behind Sunday Silence, as he had done before, and the other horse got away from us, and we just missed and fell just a stride or so short. In my heart, I think Easy Goer is the better horse than Sunday Silence. I think anybody would say that if those two ran against each other ten times, each would probably win five."
@flylion132
@flylion132 13 жыл бұрын
And it was that combination that I previously stated IMO. McGaughey campaigned Easy Goer(after having run in all three triple crown races) like a Citation,Damascus,Buckpasser, forgetting that only one race after the triple crown mattered(Classic).But Pat Day's horrible,passive,deliberate riding hurt immensely also. I think reading Joe Drape's book "Race for the Triple Crown" is very relevant and important, and how there is a big section on Day's horrible,passive,deliberate riding.
@EASYGOER4LIFE
@EASYGOER4LIFE 13 жыл бұрын
ERNIE, YOUR own words will live FOREVER! He says, "Easy Goer was a TRUE ALL TIME GREAT, fastest three year old mile of all time in 1:32.2, second fastest Belmont of all time, many of the most historic races won by many Hall of Fame horses on or near track records. He deserved better in that phenomenal campaign he was put through." Your words will live forever in infamy
@jackwoods9604
@jackwoods9604 3 жыл бұрын
How is SS the "Better" Horse When this Rivalry came down to 1 Lucky "Nose" at the Wire from The Rivalry record being Tied at 2-2?...So SS was the Better Horse because He got the lucky "Nose" Photo in The Preakness?...Makes no sense...Not to mention EG being tightly pinned down on the rail the ENTIRE Stretch...This Rivalry was as Close as it Gets...As an EG fan i will not say he was "Better" than SS...But he was more "Talented" than SS...This Rivalry came down to Shug trying to Win EVERY Big race in NY while Whittingham Concentrated on getting SS ready for the BIG races and Especially the Classic as he had SS Unused and Very Fresh for that Race..Shug was Busy Putting EG through a long grueling campaign including at 12F
@TheJustjim3333
@TheJustjim3333 10 жыл бұрын
Pretty simple to see, Sunday Silence could always open up on EG around the turns.....face reality...he beat him 3 out of 4 times..
@warblerab2955
@warblerab2955 2 жыл бұрын
Not sure why this race is called the race of the Decade. If any race between Sunday Silence and Easy Goer was the race of the decade, it would have to be the Preakness. That Preakness was the greatest horse race I ever saw live.
@bkras483
@bkras483 8 ай бұрын
Absolutely. It was so beautifully poetic, too. The Preakness was on ESPN’s top 10 sports moments of the decade. Not the BCC.
@EASYGOER4LIFE
@EASYGOER4LIFE 11 жыл бұрын
In Charles Justice' study of the greatest horses based on times run at all distances and average times at all distances, Easy Goer ranked #2 all time greatest 3 year old behind only Secretariat. Who's better is subjective indeed, and many factors, both greats.
@flyrobertfly45
@flyrobertfly45 9 жыл бұрын
Easy Goer was the better Hall of Fame superstar horse in my view. Though both great horses. Record all time mile in 1:32, second fastest Belmont Stakes of all time, ran some of the swiftest versions of a myriad of celebrated, renowned races at diverse distances (six and a half furlongs, seven furlongs, a mile, a mile and an eighth, a mile and a quarter, and a mile and a half). Definitely jockey mistakes, trainer errors & circumstances played a big part on why it was inches away from them being two to two against each other. Easy Goer's achievements and comprehensive career as a whole also exceeded that of S.S.
@patronfranklinesqueday9283
@patronfranklinesqueday9283 6 жыл бұрын
Easy Goer's blazing front-running speed and brilliant tactical speed were perfectly fine in numerous races going to the lead from the start, and staying up very close to the leaders throughout - Champagne, Suburban, Wood Memorial, Jockey Club Gold Cup, Gotham, Belmont, Preakness, Travers, Whitney, 6.5f near record, mile record, near records in many races, etc. The Los Angeles Times quotes, no less : "If the great and truly special Easy Goer were only an ordinary horse, or even just a very good one, he would have probably lost both the 1989 Whitney and Woodward (when SS didn't show up and was resting for half of the year). Plenty were also howling about Day's rides in both the Whitney and Woodward. Hopelessly trapped and boxed in almost the entire races, then had to check on the far turns of both races. Boxed in most of the way, and checked hard and stopped twice in the Woodward. Their was severe and justified criticism of Day's riding. Day stopped and started and stopped and started with many of his mounts. Easy Goer endured yet more frustratingly tentative rides by rider Pat Day -- which is his Achilles heel. Pat Day played a bigger part in beating Easy Goer than Sunday Silence did. He over thought the mount instead of letting Easy Goer run his race. Easy Goer could run forever and run it fast! Day rode the horse incredibly inconsistent and immensely tentative. Poor Easy Goer never knew when Day was serious about when to run or not. A lemming could have ridden Easy Goer better." More quotes: 1) "Racetrackers mockingly referred to Day as Pat delay Day or Pat wait all Day. The way Day rode DROVE MANY a captain of industry, hardboot trainer and regular fan to the BRINK OF RAGE." 2) "Pat Day's typical day to day riding was exasperating and many still grind their teeth remembering his rides aboard Java Gold, Easy Goer, Seeking the Gold, Forty Niner, Turkoman, Sky Classic, Rampage, Heavenly Prize, Timber Country, Menifee and numerous others. 3) "No jockey in the country took more abuse than Day. Day rides slowly in a world where everybody, especially jockeys, is in a hurry. Day could outwait the Jewish Prophet Job." 4) "Day's tentativeness and patience as a reinsman was unnerving and exasperating for owners, trainers, fans, bettors etc." 5) "Pat Day said, "I was riding a horse for the master trainer Allen Jerkens, a trainer I rarely, if ever, got a mount for. After about 50 yards out of the gate, the horse came off the bridle. I ease him down to the fence, and we go a moderate half, just galloping. Turn for home, I picked him up, and I think, ‘I could win.’ But we get beat a half length or so. But I did my job, right? I could see Allen was agitated, kicking the dirt. I said, ‘Chief, he ran good. I got him to relax, slow down really good.’ “Slow down? Slow down?!” Jerkens was hot. “All horses got one weapon - their speed. Horses have been running away from their enemies for a million years, and I get a jockey named Pat Day who wants to change evolution!" 6) ”Because Day often arrived at the wire too late, he was given unflattering nicknames-Pat Wait All Day and Pat delay Day. Many critics described Day's riding as exasperating, and many still grind their teeth remembering many of his rides aboard different horses. Day's patience as a rider was at times demoralizing for owners, trainers, fans and bettors. As Pat Forde, a reporter for the Louisville Courier-Journal, penned in 1995, “He is so patient he could watch a faucet drip for days.” Day's riding style, as Barry Irwin wrote in 2016, "drove many a captain of industry, hard-boot trainer and horseplayer to the brink of rage." Day also said, "It was a terrible ride and totally my fault. I HAD MORE HORSE THAN I KNEW WHAT TO DO WITH. It was absolutely rider error. I got him beat. I got hammered pretty good, and I'm the first to say that it wasn't unwarranted. P Val also carried me out extremely wide to the parking lot down the backstretch; then he kept pushing and banging me and trapped me in extremely tight on the dead rail from the far turn thru the entire stretch. Then EG was running sideways with the lead deep in the homestretch with his head and part of his body turned while having his momentum/stride and rhythm disrupted badly. In the Test of the Champion drug-free medication-free Belmont Stakes Easy Goer killed him; like wheat separating from chaff, the cream rose to the top. I've always believed and I'll continue to believe that Easy Goer was a better horse than Sunday Silence. I've said it before and I'll always say it, I think Easy Goer was better than Sunday Silence, despite his slight 3-1 edge in the head to head races. I'll go to my grave believing that. We lost two photos to him and the one in the Preakness absolutely was due to rider error on my part, and my ride wasn't the best in the Classic. I was on the better horse." McGaughey also said, "Pat Day and I agree that he made riding mistakes in the Preakness. We had Sunday Silence beat and Day let him back in the race. In the other races, there were circumstances that contributed to what happened. In the Preakness, Day got to the lead then he remembered he was Pat Day. And when he FOLDED up on the turn, he allowed SS back in the race. He got the lead, and then he gave it back. He basically did the same thing in the Classic. In the Classic, when Day grabbed him after the start, maybe the horse didn't understand what he was doing. Then Day was content to sit and wait behind Sunday Silence, as DAY HAD DONE BEFORE, and the other horse got away from us, and we just missed and fell just a stride or so short. In my heart, I think Easy Goer is the better horse than Sunday Silence." Better or best is definitely subjective, but having acknowledged that; take nothing away from Sunday Silence as he was a great horse, but Easy Goer was a superior, greater, better, stronger and faster horse; Pat Valenzuela and Chris McCarron were better jockeys than Pat ron franklin-esque Day; and the master trainer Charlie the Bald Eagle Whittingham was a better trainer than Claude Shug McGaughey. Easy Goer's jockey and trainer, Pat ron franklin esque Day and the most conservative anti-speed McGaughey, were both pitiful. McGaughey was and is the most conservative trainer of all-time who rarely trained his horses for speed, no matter how much big-time brilliant speed a horse like Easy Goer possessed. Pat ron franklin esque Day was the most tentative, passive, conservative, start-stop, wait go wait go wait, yield idle go yield go yield idle, fold up move fold up move fold up rider of all-time. Many of Pat Ron Franklin esque Day's rides on Easy Goer, Forty Niner, Seeking the Gold, Sky Classic, Turkoman, Heavenly Prize, Rampage, Timber Country, Menifee, Surfside, Java Gold, etc were Ron Franklin - esque! Pat ron franklin esque Day, aka Pat start stop start stop Day, aka Pat wait go wait go wait go wait Day, aka Pat yield idle go yield idle go yield idle wait Day, aka Pat fold up move fold up move fold up Day, was pitiful. Pat ron franklin esque Day was riding a Ferrari in Easy Goer. But, Pat ron franklin esque Day rode Easy Goer -- and many other horses -- like a teenager at the wheels of a Ferrari. Pat ron franklin esque Day never came to terms with the immense power and big-time speed at his disposal and how and when to use it. Go yield idle go, go yield idle go, go wait go wait go wait, fold up move, fold up move fold up, inside, outside, back inside, back outside.
@cominatcha6223
@cominatcha6223 6 жыл бұрын
Well Sunday Silence had a cokehead for a jockey 3 out of the 4 races their were in and didn't know how to use the whip properly so I guess that kinda evens it out. Pat Day did very well on Easy Goer in the Belmont and all the other races he won that Sunday Silence wasn't in. Both were super race horses. Take nothing away form either of them.
@patronfranklinesqueday9283
@patronfranklinesqueday9283 6 жыл бұрын
Did very well? Races wasn't in? Not. The Los Angeles Times quotes, no less : "If the great and truly special Easy Goer were only an ordinary horse, or even just a very good one, he would have probably lost both the 1989 Whitney and Woodward (when SS didn't show up and was resting for half of the year). Plenty were also howling about Day's rides in both the Whitney and Woodward. Hopelessly trapped and boxed in almost the entire races, then had to check on the far turns of both races. Boxed in most of the way, and checked hard and stopped twice in the Woodward. Their was severe and justified criticism of Day's riding. Day stopped and started and stopped and started with many of his mounts. Easy Goer endured yet more frustratingly tentative rides by rider Pat Day -- which is his Achilles heel. Pat Day played a bigger part in beating Easy Goer than Sunday Silence did. He over thought the mount instead of letting Easy Goer run his race. Easy Goer could run forever and run it fast! Day rode the horse incredibly inconsistent and immensely tentative. Poor Easy Goer never knew when Day was serious about when to run or not. A lemming could have ridden Easy Goer better." More quotes: 1) "Racetrackers mockingly referred to Day as Pat delay Day or Pat wait all Day. The way Day rode DROVE MANY a captain of industry, hardboot trainer and regular fan to the BRINK OF RAGE." 2) "Pat Day's typical day to day riding was exasperating and many still grind their teeth remembering his rides aboard Java Gold, Easy Goer, Seeking the Gold, Forty Niner, Turkoman, Sky Classic, Rampage, Heavenly Prize, Timber Country, Menifee and numerous others. 3) "No jockey in the country took more abuse than Day. Day rides slowly in a world where everybody, especially jockeys, is in a hurry. Day could outwait the Jewish Prophet Job." 4) "Day's tentativeness and patience as a reinsman was unnerving and exasperating for owners, trainers, fans, bettors etc." 5) "Pat Day said, "I was riding a horse for the master trainer Allen Jerkens, a trainer I rarely, if ever, got a mount for. After about 50 yards out of the gate, the horse came off the bridle. I ease him down to the fence, and we go a moderate half, just galloping. Turn for home, I picked him up, and I think, ‘I could win.’ But we get beat a half length or so. But I did my job, right? I could see Allen was agitated, kicking the dirt. I said, ‘Chief, he ran good. I got him to relax, slow down really good.’ “Slow down? Slow down?!” Jerkens was hot. “All horses got one weapon - their speed. Horses have been running away from their enemies for a million years, and I get a jockey named Pat Day who wants to change evolution!" 6) ”Because Day often arrived at the wire too late, he was given unflattering nicknames-Pat Wait All Day and Pat delay Day. Many critics described Day's riding as exasperating, and many still grind their teeth remembering many of his rides aboard different horses. Day's patience as a rider was at times demoralizing for owners, trainers, fans and bettors. As Pat Forde, a reporter for the Louisville Courier-Journal, penned in 1995, “He is so patient he could watch a faucet drip for days.” Day's riding style, as Barry Irwin wrote in 2016, "drove many a captain of industry, hard-boot trainer and horseplayer to the brink of rage." Day also said, "It was a terrible ride and totally my fault. I HAD MORE HORSE THAN I KNEW WHAT TO DO WITH. It was absolutely rider error. I got him beat. I got hammered pretty good, and I'm the first to say that it wasn't unwarranted. P Val also carried me out extremely wide to the parking lot down the backstretch; then he kept pushing and banging me and trapped me in extremely tight on the dead rail from the far turn thru the entire stretch. Then EG was running sideways with the lead deep in the homestretch with his head and part of his body turned while having his momentum/stride and rhythm disrupted badly. In the Test of the Champion drug-free medication-free Belmont Stakes Easy Goer killed him; like wheat separating from chaff, the cream rose to the top. I've always believed and I'll continue to believe that Easy Goer was a better horse than Sunday Silence. I've said it before and I'll always say it, I think Easy Goer was better than Sunday Silence, despite his slight 3-1 edge in the head to head races. I'll go to my grave believing that. We lost two photos to him and the one in the Preakness absolutely was due to rider error on my part, and my ride wasn't the best in the Classic. I was on the better horse." McGaughey also said, "Pat Day and I agree that he made riding mistakes in the Preakness. We had Sunday Silence beat and Day let him back in the race. In the other races, there were circumstances that contributed to what happened. In the Preakness, Day got to the lead then he remembered he was Pat Day. And when he FOLDED up on the turn, he allowed SS back in the race. He got the lead, and then he gave it back. He basically did the same thing in the Classic. In the Classic, when Day grabbed him after the start, maybe the horse didn't understand what he was doing. Then Day was content to sit and wait behind Sunday Silence, as DAY HAD DONE BEFORE, and the other horse got away from us, and we just missed and fell just a stride or so short. In my heart, I think Easy Goer is the better horse than Sunday Silence." Pat suspended over 20 times for coke Valenzuela did outride Pat ron franklin esque Day, aka Pat start stop start stop start Day. So did McCarron for that matter. So did Pincay, Cordero, Stevens, Bailey etc. It actually was Pat suspended over 20 times for coke Valenzuela who was the one in the Preakness "trying to screw Pat ron franklin-esque Day the whole way around" by floating him very wide towards the barns on the back-side, and then by trapping him and pushing, banging and knocking him in very tight to the rail afterwards on the far turn and thru the entire stretch. Valenzuela's credibility is severely lacking. Pat suspended over 20 times for coke Valenzuela regularly used devious gamesmanship and race-riding shenanigans etc. Valenzuela, however, could ride with the best of them, and who knows what his career would have been had he not lost the majority of it to an endless amount of cocaine suspensions and being banned. Better or best is definitely subjective, but having acknowledged that; take nothing away from Sunday Silence as he was a great horse, but Easy Goer was a superior, greater, better, stronger and faster horse; Pat Valenzuela and Chris McCarron were better jockeys than Pat ron franklin-esque Day; and the master trainer Charlie the Bald Eagle Whittingham was a better trainer than Claude Shug McGaughey. Easy Goer's jockey and trainer, Pat ron franklin esque Day and the most conservative anti-speed McGaughey, were both pitiful. McGaughey was and is the most conservative trainer of all-time who rarely trained his horses for speed, no matter how much big-time brilliant speed a horse like Easy Goer possessed. Pat ron franklin esque Day was the most tentative, passive, conservative, start-stop, wait go wait go wait, yield idle go yield go yield idle, fold up move fold up move fold up rider of all-time. Many of Pat Ron Franklin esque Day's rides on Easy Goer, Forty Niner, Seeking the Gold, Sky Classic, Turkoman, Heavenly Prize, Rampage, Timber Country, Menifee, Surfside, Java Gold, etc were Ron Franklin - esque! Pat ron franklin esque Day, aka Pat start stop start stop Day, aka Pat wait go wait go wait go wait Day, aka Pat yield idle go yield idle go yield idle wait Day, aka Pat fold up move fold up move fold up Day, was pitiful. Pat ron franklin esque Day was riding a Ferrari in Easy Goer. But, Pat ron franklin esque Day rode Easy Goer -- and many other horses -- like a teenager at the wheels of a Ferrari. Pat ron franklin esque Day never came to terms with the immense power and big-time speed at his disposal and how and when to use it. Go yield idle go, go yield idle go, go wait go wait go wait, fold up move, fold up move fold up, inside, outside, back inside, back outside.
@cominatcha6223
@cominatcha6223 6 жыл бұрын
No jockey can run the perfect race every time out..All of them make poor decisions that cast a win for their horse. If you put a microscope on any jockey the way some have on pay day then you can make a case on any jockey on any horse that has lost a race. Hell I could make a case on every horse that lost to Man o War if I was to look close enough
@patronfranklinesqueday9283
@patronfranklinesqueday9283 6 жыл бұрын
Did everything right? NOT. The Los Angeles Times quotes, no less : "If the great and truly special Easy Goer were only an ordinary horse, or even just a very good one, he would have probably lost both the 1989 Whitney and Woodward (when SS didn't show up and was resting for half of the year). Plenty were also howling about Day's rides in both the Whitney and Woodward. Hopelessly trapped and boxed in almost the entire races, then had to check on the far turns of both races. Boxed in most of the way, and checked hard and stopped twice in the Woodward. Their was severe and justified criticism of Day's riding. Day stopped and started and stopped and started with many of his mounts. Easy Goer endured yet more frustratingly tentative rides by rider Pat Day -- which is his Achilles heel. Pat Day played a bigger part in beating Easy Goer than Sunday Silence did. He over thought the mount instead of letting Easy Goer run his race. Easy Goer could run forever and run it fast! Day rode the horse incredibly inconsistent and immensely tentative. Poor Easy Goer never knew when Day was serious about when to run or not. A lemming could have ridden Easy Goer better." More quotes: 1) "Racetrackers mockingly referred to Day as Pat delay Day or Pat wait all Day. The way Day rode DROVE MANY a captain of industry, hardboot trainer and regular fan to the BRINK OF RAGE." 2) "Pat Day's typical day to day riding was exasperating and many still grind their teeth remembering his rides aboard Java Gold, Easy Goer, Seeking the Gold, Forty Niner, Turkoman, Sky Classic, Rampage, Heavenly Prize, Timber Country, Menifee and numerous others. 3) "No jockey in the country took more abuse than Day. Day rides slowly in a world where everybody, especially jockeys, is in a hurry. Day could outwait the Jewish Prophet Job." 4) "Day's tentativeness and patience as a reinsman was unnerving and exasperating for owners, trainers, fans, bettors etc." 5) "Pat Day said, "I was riding a horse for the master trainer Allen Jerkens, a trainer I rarely, if ever, got a mount for. After about 50 yards out of the gate, the horse came off the bridle. I ease him down to the fence, and we go a moderate half, just galloping. Turn for home, I picked him up, and I think, ‘I could win.’ But we get beat a half length or so. But I did my job, right? I could see Allen was agitated, kicking the dirt. I said, ‘Chief, he ran good. I got him to relax, slow down really good.’ “Slow down? Slow down?!” Jerkens was hot. “All horses got one weapon - their speed. Horses have been running away from their enemies for a million years, and I get a jockey named Pat Day who wants to change evolution!" 6) ”Because Day often arrived at the wire too late, he was given unflattering nicknames-Pat Wait All Day and Pat delay Day. Many critics described Day's riding as exasperating, and many still grind their teeth remembering many of his rides aboard different horses. Day's patience as a rider was at times demoralizing for owners, trainers, fans and bettors. As Pat Forde, a reporter for the Louisville Courier-Journal, penned in 1995, “He is so patient he could watch a faucet drip for days.” Day's riding style, as Barry Irwin wrote in 2016, "drove many a captain of industry, hard-boot trainer and horseplayer to the brink of rage." Day also said, "It was a terrible ride and totally my fault. I HAD MORE HORSE THAN I KNEW WHAT TO DO WITH. It was absolutely rider error. I got him beat. I got hammered pretty good, and I'm the first to say that it wasn't unwarranted. P Val also carried me out extremely wide to the parking lot down the backstretch; then he kept pushing and banging me and trapped me in extremely tight on the dead rail from the far turn thru the entire stretch. Then EG was running sideways with the lead deep in the homestretch with his head and part of his body turned while having his momentum/stride and rhythm disrupted badly. [In the Test of the Champion drug-free medication-free Belmont Stakes Easy Goer killed him; like wheat separating from chaff, the cream rose to the top.] I've always believed and I'll continue to believe that Easy Goer was a better horse than Sunday Silence. I've said it before and I'll always say it, I think Easy Goer was better than Sunday Silence, despite his slight 3-1 edge in the head to head races. I'll go to my grave believing that. We lost two photos to him and the one in the Preakness absolutely was due to rider error on my part, and my ride wasn't the best in the Classic. I was on the better horse." McGaughey also said, "Pat Day and I agree that he made riding mistakes in the Preakness. We had Sunday Silence beat and Day let him back in the race. In the other races, there were circumstances that contributed to what happened. In the Preakness, Day got to the lead then he remembered he was Pat Day. And when he FOLDED up on the turn, he allowed SS back in the race. He got the lead, and then he gave it back. He basically did the same thing in the Classic. In the Classic, when Day grabbed him after the start, maybe the horse didn't understand what he was doing. Then Day was content to sit and wait behind Sunday Silence, as DAY HAD DONE BEFORE, and the other horse got away from us, and we just missed and fell just a stride or so short. In my heart, I think Easy Goer is the better horse than Sunday Silence." Pat suspended over 20 times for coke Valenzuela did outride and was better than Pat ron franklin esque Day, aka Pat start stop start stop start Day. So did and was McCarron for that matter. So did and was Pincay, Cordero, Stevens, Bailey etc. It actually was Pat suspended over 20 times for coke Valenzuela who was the one in the Preakness "trying to screw Pat ron franklin-esque Day the whole way around" by floating him very wide towards the barns on the back-side, and then by trapping him and pushing, banging and knocking him in very tight to the rail afterwards on the far turn and thru the entire stretch. Valenzuela's credibility is severely lacking. Pat suspended over 20 times for coke Valenzuela regularly used devious gamesmanship and race-riding shenanigans etc. Valenzuela, however, could ride with the best of them, and who knows what his career would have been had he not lost the majority of it to an endless amount of cocaine suspensions and being banned. Better or best is definitely subjective, but having acknowledged that; take nothing away from Sunday Silence as he was a great horse, but Easy Goer was a superior, greater, better, stronger and faster horse; Pat Valenzuela and Chris McCarron were better jockeys than Pat ron franklin-esque Day; and the master trainer Charlie the Bald Eagle Whittingham was a better trainer than Claude Shug McGaughey. Easy Goer's jockey and trainer, Pat ron franklin esque Day and the most conservative anti-speed McGaughey, were both pitiful. McGaughey was and is the most conservative trainer of all-time who rarely trained his horses for speed, no matter how much big-time brilliant speed a horse like Easy Goer possessed. Pat ron franklin esque Day was the most tentative, passive, conservative, start-stop, wait go wait go wait, yield idle go yield go yield idle, fold up move fold up move fold up rider of all-time. Many of Pat Ron Franklin esque Day's rides on Easy Goer, Forty Niner, Seeking the Gold, Sky Classic, Turkoman, Heavenly Prize, Rampage, Timber Country, Menifee, Surfside, Java Gold, etc were Ron Franklin - esque! Pat ron franklin esque Day, aka Pat start stop start stop Day, aka Pat wait go wait go wait go wait Day, aka Pat yield idle go yield idle go yield idle wait Day, aka Pat fold up move fold up move fold up Day, was pitiful. Pat ron franklin esque Day was riding a Ferrari in Easy Goer. But, Pat ron franklin esque Day rode Easy Goer -- and many other horses -- like a teenager at the wheels of a Ferrari. Pat ron franklin esque Day never came to terms with the immense power and big-time speed at his disposal and how and when to use it. Go yield idle go, go yield idle go, go wait go wait go wait, fold up move, fold up move fold up, inside, outside, back inside, back outside.
@cominatcha6223
@cominatcha6223 6 жыл бұрын
Pat Ron Franklin Esque Day yeah Easy Goer was indeed in some trouble in the Woodward. But he got out of that trouble in fine order. That's what great horses do. But it took a great jockey to get him out of trouble and give the horse a chance to win which is what Pat Day did..that's what great jockeys do they know how to get out of trouble just like he did in the Woodward. But again Sunday Silence wasn't in that race there wasn't a horse that was just as good as Easy Goer in that race. But good eye on spotting the troubles in that race for Easy Goer
@dworkma
@dworkma 12 жыл бұрын
I know what you mean. I love watching this race. Wish I had it in HD.
@flylion132
@flylion132 13 жыл бұрын
Like many of the racing experts stated from both regions in the US(Crist,Nack,Christine,Hirsch,etc),and even stated by trainers Wayne Lukas and Woody Stephens, but stated the most correct by Paul Moran of Espn,"Easy Goer was the better,more phenomenal,extraordinary horse, but was defeated by a whisker and desperate neck in two races because Pat Day rode him like the exposed end of a live wire,rode him horribly." Very true and correct IMO.
@joshuagrenoble9187
@joshuagrenoble9187 10 жыл бұрын
Easy Goer gobbling up real estate
@DELMARCLUB1
@DELMARCLUB1 6 жыл бұрын
Better in any way to completely subjective. Neither the Easy Goer/SS example or the other ones I cite show that any of these horses was "better" (which is totally subjective anyways) or was able to consistently get the better of the other. All these examples show is the records of two horses in a VERY MINUSCULE number of races. A few races certainly would NOT be even close to a large enough sample size if you were trying to establish consistency on a statistical basis; nor is it even close to a large enough sample size to show who was "better" (which is totally subjective anyways). Hall of Fame champ Easy Goer never had to bring his track with him - EG won on mile tracks, 1 1/8m tracks, and 1 1/2m tracks. SS did not. SS lost 3 of 5 on 1 1/8m sized tracks (LOSING record at his home track losing 3 races there), and SS lost 4 of 6 on 1 1/8m or larger tracks. EG won G1 races at 7f, 8f, 9f, 10f and 12f all without any drugs; SS ONLY won G1 races at 9f to 10f with drugs; that's a huge difference in versatility. That's also like saying that Sunday Silence never won when racing without his drugs. That's also like saying that SS never won on larger circumferenced tracks (lost 4 of 6) of a 1 1/8 miles or larger. That's like saying that ss only (or only would) beat him with his drugs; that's like saying that ss only (or only would) beat him on smaller circumferenced tracks because ss's record on 1 1/8 miles or larger circumferenced tracks (LOST 4 of 6, and LOST 3 times at his larger circumferenced Hollywood Park track) was similar to EG's record on smaller circumferenced tracks. Of course Easy Goer won outside drugfree New York, the only state in the entire country during that era that banned all drugs. And in the process, Easy Goer ran the fastest 7f of the year in Florida while doing so. Fellow Hall of Famer Forego LOST ALL of his races outside New York and Florida - Forego lost all 4 of his races outside NY and Florida. Hall of Famer Kelso lost an amazing 16 races outside NY. Hall of Famer Zenyatta only won in California and Arkansas. Hall of Famer Ruffian only won in NY and NJ. Hall of Famer Beholder only won in California, and lost all 4 of her races outside California. Hall of Famers Ack Ack and Native Diver only won in California. Who's better in any way is totally subjective. There was the Test of the Champion Belmont Stakes (the classic distance for the whole world) where Easy Goer destroyed him in the only state in the entire country during that era that banned all drugs & medications. Balanced against that are two wins by Sunday Silence against Easy Goer by the narrowest of margins, and a total of 3 wins which SS won by a combined margin of less than two and three-quarter lengths. So SS held the slight 3-1 edge against EG with 3 wins coming in close wins and a loss in which he was destroyed. Easy Goer also ran the record mile one full second faster than Secretariat's record. Easy Goer also ran a better, faster Ragozin speed figure than Secretariat did in their respective Belmont Stakes. Easy Goer also ran some of the greatest, fastest all timer performances at every distance he ran - 6.5F, 7F, 8F, 9F, 10F, 12F. Easy Goer generally ran faster times than Sunday Silence at all distances. Easy Goer more often ran faster times than Sunday Silence at all distances, including many outstanding, perennial all timer performances at every distance - 6.5F, 7F, 8F, 9F, 10F, 12F. Sunday Silence lost 36% of his races, mostly to lesser horses including Houston, Prized, Criminal Type, and Cro Lover. Better in any way is totally subjective. SS held the slight 3 to 1 edge over EG in the races they both ran in. Those are facts, but who's "better overall", "better in general," or "better" in any way are all totally subjective. "Better" is totally subjective and numerous greats were behind or tied in head to head records vs other horses, including Citation, Kelso, Easy Goer, Forego, Dr Fager, Damascus, Swaps, Nashua, John Henry, Skip Away, Sir Barton, Pleasant Colony, Shuvee and many others. Citation got beat 4 out of 5 by Noor; Kelso got beat 3 out of 4 by Beau Purple; Forego got beat 2 out of 3 by Big Spruce; Shuvee got beat 4 out of 5 by Gallant Bloom; Dr Fager got beat 2 out of 4 by Damascus; Pleasant Colony got beat 3 out of 4 by Akureyri; Triple Crown winner Sir Barton got beat 8 out of 12 by Billy Kelly; Skip Away got beat 4 out of 6 by Formal Gold; & there are an endless amount of other similar examples. Easy Goer also ran many more races in a shorter time period with much less time between races, and at more varying distances; & he ran mostly in the only state in the entire country at the time that banned all drugs & medications. SS ran significantly less races with much more time between races, at less varying distances, & all but 1 of his races were run in states that allowed drugs & medications. Sunday Silence's record (Lost 4 of 6 races) on bigger tracks with a circumference of 1 1/8m or larger was very similar to Easy Goer's record on smaller mile circumferenced tracks. However, size of tracks, size of turns, straightaway/turn speed & acceleration, region, rider/rider tactics, trainer/training, drugs/medications not being allowed, etc etc, are just a few of the numerous variables, and cannot be simplified when there are many more factors and variables. It is much more complicated than that given the myriad of variables that determine the outcome of races. Failing to factor the numerous other variables in can lead to the wrong conclusions about why horses win or lose races. It makes no sense to look at cause and effect simplistically because other variables may have determined the outcome. Just because the Earth looks flat based on the way we actually see it, does not mean that it is flat. There are numerous factors, including but not limited to : superior career, superior & better body of work, GI wins, Graded Stakes wins, wins against older horses & open company, running times, avg running times at various distances & at all distances, head to heads, records set, still standing records, weights carried & weights conceded, stakes wins & stakes wins vs. open company/older horses, varying distances won at during career, superior campaign or campaigns, durability, constitution, superiority & dominance, injuries, jockeys, riding & rider errors, trainers, training and trainer errors, win/loss %'s, trips, amount of races run, track sizes, track circumferences, post positions, campaign & career earnings with & without bonuses, races with drugs & medications allowed/used, races with no drugs & medications allowed/used, etc etc & many many more. They were both great horses, but who's better is still totally subjective even after factoring in the endless amount of other factors. Easy Goer & SS were both greats. Easy Goer won 12 total stakes, 9 Grade 1 wins at distances of 7f, 8f, 9f, 10f, and 12f showing versatility on all tracks & many distances. SS won 7 total stakes, 6 Grade 1 wins but only at distances from 9f to 10f. Both versatile indeed, but that is a big difference in versatility. Easy Goer also defeated older horses Six times at ages three and four while conceding a good amount of weight in quite a few of them. SS defeated older horses only two times at ages three and four. Many other factors would favor Easy Goer over SS as well, including a) amount of career races able to run - 20 to 14 ; b) amount of total career wins - 14 to 9 ; c) running times at all distances ; d) average running times at all distances ; e) career earnings without bonuses - about $ 4.8 million to about $ 3.8 million ; f) career winning percentage - 70% to 64% ; g) Grade 1 wins - 9 to 6 ; h) total stakes wins - 12 to 7 ; i) wins vs older horses/open/unrestricted at ages three & four - 6 to 2 ; j) Grade 1 stakes wins at various distances - EG at 7f, 8f, 9f, 10f & 12f; SS at only 9f to 10f ; k) Easy Goer never was defeated by more than 2 & a half lengths in any race in a much longer career, SS never was defeated by more than 8 lengths in any race in a much shorter career; & other factors that would favor Easy Goer would be varying distances won at, records set, near records set, still standing records, running times, avg running times at all distances, campaigns, durability, constitution, dominance & superiority in races - average win margin and average loss margin, weights carried, weight concessions, etc. Other than SS's slight edge in head to head races, IMO Easy Goer was better than SS in most - if not all - these other factors & categories. But even after all of these numerous factors are factored in, who was better is still subjective. They were both greats, but IMO Easy Goer was a better horse, had a superior body of work, and had a superior career than SS even though SS held the slight edge in head to head races by the nose of his Preakness win. There is a lot more that can be said other than head to heads.
@EASYGOER4LIFE
@EASYGOER4LIFE 13 жыл бұрын
ERNIE! Your own words will live FOREVER! Ernie, YOU say, "Hall of Fame Eclipse Champion Easy Goer was a TRUE ALL TIME GREAT, one of the RARE great ones that come along ONCE in a lifetime, record three year old mile of all time in 1:32.2,second fastest Belmont of all time,many of the most historic races won by many other Hall of Fame horses on or near track records.He deserved better in the way he was handled(by his awful jock's riding and trainer) in that supreme and historic campaign."FOREVER
@EASYGOER4LIFE
@EASYGOER4LIFE 13 жыл бұрын
ERNIE! Your words will live FOREVER and ever! Ernie says, "Hall of Fame champion EASY GOER was a TRUE ALL TIME GREAT, one of the RARE greats that come along ONCE in a lifetime, fastest three year old mile of all time in 1:32, second fastest Belmont of all time,many of the most historic races won by many Hall of Fame horses on or near track records. He deserved better in the way he was handled by his jock and trainer in that supreme campaign." Your words will live forever and ever.
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