Why does this amazing channel only have 10k? And this video only has 6.3k views?

@@DarthReggie This is quality stuff, give it time.

Gamers love to be outraged, and they constantly telegraph how outraged they are. Do you think reviewbombing is bad?

@@_robo I'd consider myself a gamer and I have yet to write a single review on those sites. Let's do some math. Let's take Fallout 76 as an example. It sold 1.4 million copies in the first year and now has 6500 votes by users on Metacritic thus far. Let us assume very generously that every comment is a review bomb, the bombing lasted only the first year, only people who bought the game game voted and that every bomber did leave just one review. 6500/1400000 = 0.00464285714 That comes to around 0.46% My conclusion: So one of the biggest disapointments in gaming had under a half procent of the players leave a terrible bomb review. The size of these incidents are magnified by the games journalists and random content creation personalities because it what creates views and the more you inflate the event the more views you get. In essence clickbait and hyperbole, not gamers being inherently angry.

I guess it is sometimes better than Twitter, 4chan, or tumbler? Not that that is impressive or a high bar. Just a statement of things I have seen, lol.

Like star citizen

You're forgetting that the people that are telling Gamers that they are "oppressive sexists and racists" are the people who had spent 30 years *protecting Gamers* (ie: Games Journalists) from outsiders who were calling them amoral violent sociopaths in training and the like.

@@thatotherguy8138 protecting? They were shilling shitty games, it was their job

@ingusmant @tanel_k For a good 30 years (from the early 80's to the early 2010's, at least), the "journalists" in the Games Media understood that to shill those shitty games, they needed to have an Audience who could purchase them. So when people like Jack Thompson, Hillary Clinton and Tipper Gore (as well as the American Family Association and other Conservative Christian organizations) came out and tried to ban video games in the mid-90's to mid 2000's, it was the Games Journalists who stood up and said "Video games did NOT cause the Columbine Massacre!" and "Gamers are good people." Then after 2012, those same outlets started to attack Gamers. I noticed it around the Mass Effect 3 ending controversy. It picked up steam around the Tropes vs Woman garbage. (The show wasn't worth the time to watch it, let alone the time to criticize it or tweet idiotic shit at her.) Both of those I consider to be direct precursors to GG. And at that time, the Right Wing was still attacking Gamers (and most of the time still are). It wasn't until AFTER GG started and Culture Warrior morons like "Internet Aristocrat" jumped in that GG caught the attention of Breitbart - specifically of Milo, and very few outside of him in Breitbart. (There were a few guest contributors to Breitbart around that time talking about GG, but I don't think many of them are still around.) And once Milo and Internet Aristocrat (and a few other of the twats who tried to hijack GG but don't deserve to be mentioned by name) realized that a majority of Gamers didn't care to get into the anti-feminism/anti-liberalism/anti-Left war that Milo and IA were jonesing for, IA and Milo gave up supporting GG and went their own ways with the (small) number of new supporters from the Gamers. (IA even discarded the entire IA persona and created a whole new one. My guess was to keep people like me from commenting on his videos going "So how did your plan to turn Gamers into an angry online Anti-Feminist Mob work out for you?" until he banned me from his KZfaq channel.) And as far as I know, neither of them were able to transform any of that attempt to rally the Gamers to the side of Conservatives with any actual success, financial, political or otherwise. (And to pre-empt the "TRUMP!" argument that is probably going to be made, there aren't enough "Gamers" in Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin for Gamers to have swung those states towards Trump without engaging in some massive mental gymnastics, like claiming "Voter Apathy" or voting 3rd party are the same as "Supporting Trump".) All this video (and most other "GG was a Right Wing Movement!" articles and videos) does is allow the creator to create a convenient narrative for himself that keeps him from needing to look inward to see where part of the problem lies. He's a huge part of the problem, and will continue to be a huge part of the problem until he (and the others who do this) drops the ideology and looks at the situation with clear eyes. No one comes out of GG in a positive light - no one.

Practically all of you guys missed the point, and have probably never been called stuff like that or “attacked.” The media in general has a gross misunderstanding of gaming culture, and game journalists are called that specifically because a bunch of them understand that culture, and don’t demonize it. Most normal game journalists only ever call people stuff like that when they deserve it, like when people are sent death or rape threats, which-surprise!-happens way more often than most people care to think about. You’re probably pretty young and naive, so I’ll say this: NOT EVERYBODY IS OUT TO GET YOU! NOT THAT MANY PEOPLE EVEN KNOW YOU EXIST!

antifa wins out

How did it go?

I think he might be talking about that one series of 4chan posts. Rabbit hole goes deep.

@@arikaaa69 Well he still thinks Gamergate was all a ruse by the journalists, and possibly the ones the video covered.

True that the first that populism government always do

As somebody who had a large stack of magazines of game reviews, you are wrong, they were not angry at all. I recall reading a very positive review of wizardry 7, which made me go 'what? they were that positive about his' when I finally played the game.

You're clearly young. Just 15 years ago people weren't mad.

Thank you for sparing me the time. Have a like. I could not have explained it better.

Yeah idk why he showed Pewdiepie as an example of radicalization

@@loreaver3882 because "hate speech" 😂

@@loreaver3882 Here you go bud, better late then never. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ptSdhbyDt6rGpas.html

this should be the pinned comment

I truly nailed Steve Bannon! ... wait that came out wrong

What do you disagree with? There’s nothing here that isn’t true

failing@commenting It still spun the narrative heavily as it always does, often to the point of outright lying. Breitbart is one of those things that could never have happened anywhere but a country with extremely lax laws on press standards like the USA. And it’s not even a matter of press freedom either. Loads of country have extremely good freedom in the media, but they still manage to have laws against libel and outright lies being published as fact. In fact, a good start would be to make it so that each printing of a lie is a separate case of libel like they do in the UK. Half the problem with the USA is that if someone reads a lie, there is absolutely no incentive to check its truthfulness before you print it somewhere else and perpetuate it.

In a nutshell, gamers for all their self aggrandizement, dont actually fact check

A war without end has no conclusion.

You don't think Teletubbies is political? Plebian!

Dominoblue22 gaming had a strong outrage culture before gamergate. But that outrage was in a sort of Pandora's box that really opened in gamergate and it affected the politics of many engaged in gamergate. What grew was an anti leftist culture.

Plus in gaming culture, compared to other cultures of media content, uniquely has a much stronger outrage culture. Look at competitive gaming, it's an environment that easily stirs more outrage than being part of metal culture

To say that gaming culture itself has become anti leftist I think is also wrong itself. Like yeah there are sects that hate left politics but guess what it's not only in gaming culture. Outrage culture does not come from gamers, because guess what it was boiling out in other sects of the culture. News always has been about selling Outrage culture. Besides that I don't think it unfair to call some of the complaints they make not important because there are shitty business practices.

Dominoblue22 dude my point is outrage culture is uniquely strong in gaming culture. It's an environment ripe of consumerism and competitiveness (where outrage is at it's worst). Also I didn't say gaming culture is anti leftist. It's moreso that anti leftism became more intense since gg. It grew from gamer gate.

....have you ever been to a sporting event?

Who was this person he bullied?

www.reddit.com/comments/3w5yrv

Also, check this out. innuendostudios.com/2012/07/22/an-apology/ And this. www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/10/polyamory-jealousy_n_2272175.html

My original comment on part 1 of his series. I'm angry because we're facing the modern day equivalent of 'Dungeons and Dragons will lead your kids to satanism'; we're facing a moral panic from authoritarians that are telling us which ideas are too dangerous, and I'm angry because this position has not been treated with the high degree of skepticism it deserves from the media and from academia. There are shortcomings in academia (coming from a person with 2 degrees), which we'll get to. For now, I want to show some simple statements that show the team at FemFreq to have authoritarian mindsets similar to people that said comic books were corrupting the youth, for example. "Given the reality of that larger cultural context, its dangerously irresponsible to be creating games in which players are encouraged and even required to commit violence against women in order to save them." - Anita Sarkeesian The Tropes series. "When you start learning about systems, everything is sexist, everything is racist, everything is homophobic and you have to point it all out to everyone all the time" - Anita Sarkeesian. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/o650lb1jza7YnJs.html "This shit is sick. There is something deeply deeply seriously wrong with anyone cheering for this #Doom4 trailer" - Jonathan McIntosh @radicalbytes It's really troubling (and depressing) that the #BE3 audience is enthusiastically cheering for bodies being ripped apart" - Anita Sarkeesian @femfreq thegg.net/general-news/jonathan-mcintosh-and-anita-sarkeesian-criticize-doom-for-being-too-violent/ So they're telling artists, developers, consumers, which ideas are too dangerous to create and to consume. They think sexism and racism are everywhere. They're making moral judgments and character assessments based on people enjoying the 'wrong' media. And what they are saying about this media is not demonstrative. In fact there is much evidence that contradicts her, like this longitudinal study that finds no link between games and sexism: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25844719 Jonathan McIntosh, who's earned the nickname #FullMcIntosh for his absurd statements, once said "The core value of patriarchal masculinity is control. It’s not a coincidence that control is central to many video game mechanics & stories." This seems to me like he's just using interchangeable buzzwords rather than making a coherent argument. What does he even mean? In order to understand better, I had an exchange with academic Katherine Cross, who supports FemFreq. Asked her some questions on twitter back in September. Note: cutting/pasting bits of the conversation from twitter together to make more sense. "Control" meaning the PC can always force desirable outcomes rather than advancing amid undesirable ones. i.e. the PC is not always in complete control of events in the game and must sometimes live w/undesirable outcomes." Katherine Cross @Quinnae_Moon "These terms can be applied verrrrry generally. IE, basically any competitive video game. Weak as evidence of patriarchy. Seems to me its about preference. These word definitions are putting arbitrary labels on what kind of game is patriarchal." KaineDamo @kainedamo "It's more that the lack of that kind of control is such a cardinal offence to some gamers, ergo the question is "why? " Note that I'm talking not just about existence of playstyle but the meaning ascribed to it by players. That's not trivial. Katherine Cross @Quinnae_Moon "Plenty of good games fit both molds of what you're talking about. Live w/undesirable outcomes, Telltale's Walking Dead." KaineDamo @kainedamo It's just word soup on top of word soup. Granted that twitter is limited; I still think the extended back and forth convo I had with her shows its not clear on just what was meant. These terms are SO broad. It's as though 'control' is interchangeable for other words not implicitly present in the conversation; masculinity, patriarchy = control. Whereas from where I'm sitting, its really simple, video games are the one medium that gives the audience a controller for interacting with the medium - it is only natural that game mechanics and narratives would come to give players control. And in regards to games like Witcher 3; multiple paths and consequences for quests, Telltale's Walking Dead, there are plenty of games with undesirable outcomes. There's also a high degree of subjectivity that I'd say seems based on preference (and mistaking preference for some deeper meaning) to the arguments made by this group. When their arguments are frequently word soup, its hard to know what they WANT. It's hard to know what's good enough. And seemingly very little IS good enough. The complaints get absurd; check @femfreq's comments on Fallout Shelter being 'super troubling' and 'dehumanizing'. Every complaint is put in this over-blown framework of 'this game is bad for society'. That's the framework of everything they've put out. I'm angry that it is... how many years?! And we still can't address Anita's arguments. Public figures with contentious views are going to receive hate mail. Richard Dawkins gets it, Jack Thompson got it, Joss Whedon certainly got it and from feminists no less. Here is a fact: No one has been arrested for harassing Anita Sarkeesian. Here is another fact: There is absolutely nothing anyone can do to prevent people from making accounts on twitter and youtube and making mean comments. Nothing. It's completely out of our control. That doesn't mean to say serious threats shouldn't be investigated - of course they should. But it seems ridiculous that for all this time the debate has looked like this: "Anita's arguments are bad." "She's a victim tho." It's as though presenting Anita's victimhood IS the argument; that's what it comes across as at this point. Harassment aimed at Anita IS the evidence. But that's not how it works. They made a game of Jack Thompson getting violently destroyed too. It didn't make Thompson right.

Something similar happened to f1nn5ter lol

Better an anti SJW than an SJW. There's no pipeline, you're responsible for your own actions regardless of however much you try and dissociate.

​@@purplesamurai5205it's never a pipeline, it's a slide that you willingly go down

That's the problem many consciously lie for their agenda to hold up, now i hope this incredibly talented man begin to move away from politics, i would have supported him on Patreon generously if he only stayed away from these divisive and cancerous partisan issues but simply cannot. I have lost too many friends to modern outrage culture (meaning i am not extreme enough for them) so i will stand firm. Politics is the reverse of passion it is the death of the human souls.

@@franciscor390This is how you be a centrist. Not like the fakers in these comments.

Examples of ones who aren't power brokers, trolls or shills please? You made a strawman, but I feel you have some names to back you up.

@@astillia6073 in think he means in historic way the right always was triggered easy (he has point if base of thing like censorship of music in America on 85 or anime and videos games in 2000s ) I think SJW are like a combination of hippies and old religious lady and the anti SJW are Mr burns disguise of Jimbo

I can almost smell the salt. Your very comment proves you wrong.

I got right up to "racist overtones" Thank you for saving me the time. "Exploring the Idea." Military grade euphemisms.

To be fair, optional easy modes can be utterly awful most of the time.

Show me one scene from cuphead that had racist animation

@@ingusmant It's less to do with "Cuphead is racist", it's moreso that their depiction of King Dice who is coded as a black man both in-game and in the show, was based off of old racist stereotypes of old cartoons which depict black people as gamblers and would get distracted over a pair of dice.

Nice generalizing, hypocrite.

did you even watch past two minutes in this video and how he highlighted the manipulation of public opinion regardless of specific media source political standing, or are you just mad that the video decided to focus on the very real rise of fascism thanks to the manipulation and power of figures like Steve Bannon?

Ironic, some of the biggest sellouts in media

@@ingusmant Adam Curtis ?

Holodomor

@@astillia6073 come again?

They simply got into gaming in a pathetic attempt to stay relevant, and most game journos aren't gamers but total hacks who couldn't make it anywhere else and are stuck writing clickbait while selling reviews on the side

True ,one thing if you a opinion with left or right agenda all have one and is good to listen diferet that yours ,depends of subjects but man I hate when someone say "I no want get political in my entertainment" but love Superman,south park,Rambo iii,deux ex,Gundam, bioshock, Disney or western movies

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I went on the thread recently and there isn't any rage titles anymore. I think this guy might have cherry picked a moment in time.

Wikipedia at least cites sources. More than most people who try to dismiss anything it says with literally no thought.

Underrated comment. You did a good job diving into the history of video games as a sub culture and pointing out how it has always been steeped in conflict. Gaming has been maligned for most of its existence. Back in the 80's and early 90's, you were seen as a nerd / loser for playing games, before gaming hit the mainstream in the mid 2000's and grew into a gargantuan multi-billion dollar business. So as a gamer, you faced social ostracization from most of society. And then you were constantly attacked by moral do-gooders waging their personal crusades against what they perceived as the new evil. Idiots like Joe Lieberman calling games "murder simulators". Mortal Kombat and Night Trap getting mainstream media hit pieces produced against them. Over time, the games industry matured and developed the ESRB to quiet these sorts of complaints. "The games are too violent!" "Then don't buy them for your kid, the game is rated MA-17." This mostly worked, along with repeated studies showing no causal link between video games and violence. These sorts of complaints quieted down and were dismissed more easily. Then along comes Anita Sarkeesian and her ilk, and they DON'T CARE that the games industry has a ratings board. You have an army of dolts who do NOT understand anything about video games or the sub-culture trying to infiltrate it in a very bullheaded way and change it to fit THEIR arbitrary moral and political whims. AND THEN instead of defending gamers, the games journalists defended the infiltrators, the new wave of moralistic do-gooders who want to influence something they do not understand. The feminists attempting to infiltrate and change the games industry are no different than the right wing religious nuts who were trying to infiltrate and change it in the 90's - they are just a new flavor. When gamers retaliated, they did so with a tinge of betrayal in their collective voices. Back in the 90's, gamers and games journalists stood strong together against the moral crusders and we all prevailed and kept our hobby free of artistic censorship. Fast forward to the 2010's and weak-minded, brainwashed journalists sided with the new wave of feminist moralizers, leaving actual gamers, the very audience that supported them through thick and thin in an era of newly-rising independent media, out in the cold. This video COMPLETELY missed the point and it is apparent its creator gobbled up every last bit of feminist propaganda spewed forth by people like Sarkeesian who DO NOT PLAY, LIKE, OR UNDERSTAND VIDEO GAMES. As you put it, gamers as a cultural force have become reactionary, perhaps to a fault, but not without reason. Our hobby has been maligned, made fun of, and misunderstood for decades, and we have encountered people who don't like or understand the medium popping in and trying to coerce developers into their moralistic bidding. Gamers are / were sick of it, and the evident abandonment of their voice, the gaming journalists, drove the conflict to a head.

I've lived through many of the gaming rivalries you speak of. Neither child-me nor any locals, however, were in touch with the kind of wanna-be-aggressive historical united-statesian propaganda I've come to know by KZfaq. Sight-seeing as bizarreness might be fun, but reading on the environment looping around it sure puts it into perspective.

Is funny how GG found server dumps showing the outright level of collusion in the gaming press the iga and other industry groups and yet people like the author here still deny this is even a factor.

dude are you really comparing 'my sega is way better than your shitty nintendo!' to 'fucking sjws are ruining my games, let's share some alt-right propaganda' ? lmao

@@chocoviria4909 strawman, when console gaming was for children fighting over consoles was an ingrained aspect of that culture. See Nintendo shitcube for a more old example of console warring autism.

Nah

I dunno what happened to my comment, but yes: Israel’s treatment of the Palestinians is worse than anyone can imagine. And it’s never covered properly unlike your standard *insert brown skinned terrorist here* so the Al Qassam thing falls on deaf ears with me.

There are so many more problems out there. The Buddhists of Myanmar’s treatment of their neighboring Muslim population, Assad’s treatment of the Sunni Muslim population in Syria, and India’s treatment of the Kashmiri Muslims. It’s all fucked up, and the idea that any problem in the USA is worse than what’s going on in the rest of the world is laughable.

why is it that you guys always focus on one tiny detail and use a criticism of that detail out of context to dismiss everything someone says?

Who is he characterizing? He just described facts as they happened.

you're trying to argue that gamers don't have a negative tone and your second sentence makes the claim that the industry is crashing. Can't make this shit up

Well a lot of AAA studios are going under and shutting down servers which basically makes their games unplayable. Most of the media corruption and fixed contests remain, but for how long?

@@ulture so fucking stupid. Literally cannot say anything negative or its "an inherent part of the culture" Get fucked. If you seriously think the gaming industry hasn't become more amd more anticonsumer in the past ten years yoy are blind, deaf and stupid.

Also if gamers decided to go the way they did it's the fault of everyone the left pushed us right into the arms of the right

"People told me I am a rapist, so I became a rapist." That's what you sound like, ferklk.

Nick i agree completely if anything I'm more centered in my beliefs, but just like you said the left became so radical and started bashing everything that wasn't in their way, in the end gamers were bound to escape from that bullshit

ferklk Remember folks , whenever someone says they are in the center , they usually mean they are right wing conservatives.

Daniel thank you for proving your irrationality, i just needed some clear proof