RADIO ISSUES IN BUSY CHICAGO | "Ready for light-gun signals"

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10 ай бұрын

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@VASAviation 10 ай бұрын

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@Redminer9999 10 ай бұрын

Hey vas love the stuff, slight subtitle issue that was climb maintain 1 5000 not 1 4000 2:58

@Redminer9999 10 ай бұрын

Also 4:55 "If need be" rather than to you maybe

@Windian95 10 ай бұрын

Thanks so much for putting this together!! N111TT

@iflyplanes687 10 ай бұрын

As a flight instructor I’m going to show this to some of my new students on how to PROPERLY deal with this scenario. Nice job!

@r.b.4009 10 ай бұрын

Good teaching material indeed!

@Columbine-en3qc 10 ай бұрын

What do you do if you can't transmit and receive at all? I know you can squawk radio failure, but do you just go in and land or what?

@kaasmeester5903 10 ай бұрын

@@Columbine-en3qc There are some generic rules for both uncontrolled and controlled fields, and there may be rules specific to the field. For instance at our field, you'll have to stay out or leave the CTR, unless you are already cleared to a certain point. In that case you proceed to the circuit and land (after squawking 7600 to make sure the tower knows what's up).

@Windian95 10 ай бұрын

Thank you! My first emergency. Thankful for all the CFIs that prepared me for this moment. N111TT

@Windian95 10 ай бұрын

@@Columbine-en3qcyou squawk 7600 and look for light gun signals

@Bartaaron04 10 ай бұрын

Transmitting blind about his intentions, tower thinking forward when they do actually hear him for a short while to make things easier. Amazing job on all fronts to handle a scary situation

@josh3771 10 ай бұрын

Well done, handled very professionally

@RT-qd8yl 10 ай бұрын

Great job by that pilot not only for handling that situation well, but also submitting it to you so we can have some more great content!

@danninglu8443 10 ай бұрын

Actually had a electrical failure when I was with an instructor. Lost everything but the engine. We were in the pattern. The solution is actually very simple: I flew the plane, and my instructor called the tower on the phone. Then after landing, tower gave us a green light gun signal for crossing an active runway. Cool experience.

@kaasmeester5903 10 ай бұрын

My CFI advised me to review (and if necessary write down) the procedures for lost comms, the generic ones as well as specifics for the airports you're flying at. This was after I had a radio fail on me on a solo flight heading out of the CTR. I left the CTR, tried to resolve the issue. Which turned out to be operator error, but it was definitely a little "oh cr*p" moment. And not the right way to handle it. Knowing the procedure would have given me some peace of mind as well.

@flomoose7315 10 ай бұрын

Yup. In our flying club we now have a two sided sheet in every logbook that gives you short info on something like this👍🏼👍🏼 including how to communicate, squawk, lights etc😁

@ncc74656m 10 ай бұрын

Great job. Fly the plane, set your transponder, keep broadcasting declaring your intentions, and have backups if nothing else works.

@Lobstrex 10 ай бұрын

Fantastic professionalism from all parties, nice work :)

@LowEarthOrbitPilot 10 ай бұрын

The handheld back up radio is a must. The alternator (on an aircraft I had rented decades ago) failed, and ATC assisted me with light gun signals (even with the handheld), just to maintain proficiency.

@ShawnGray1 10 ай бұрын

Great seeing everyone put a hand in on these things. Can be a bit scary for the pilots when you can't hear any traffic. Amazing job to everyone.

@magatica05 10 ай бұрын

Anchorage departure was having some radio issues a few days ago, and a mic kept getting stuck on their end

@Sir_Uncle_Ned 10 ай бұрын

I'm glad that this pilot knows how to behave in lost comm situations. Transmitting in the blind and falling back to light gun signals is very much the right thing to do. It's nice to hear that they got comms back on at least a 3 by 4 on the base leg.

@LouT1501 10 ай бұрын

Glad he landed safely! Great video!

@philconey11 10 ай бұрын

My first IOE flight at my current airline the transmit for BOTH radios got stuck on. Ended up blocking a bunch of people on the approach frequency. We moved over to another frequency to open that one up, and squawked 7600. Hard IMC so I flew to my clearance limit, which was the IAF for my expected approach and flew that approach in. ATC just moved everyone out of the way for us and called me after asking what happened. Overall a good learning experience that I don't want to happen again.

@flyjarrett 10 ай бұрын

I used to work at KPWK in college and I found it interesting that they popped up on here. Separately, my home airport is Kenosha, WI (KENW) and a few weeks ago, I saw N111TT on the ramp. I commented to my son that 111TT is a cool tail number…fun to say.

@ImpendingJoker 10 ай бұрын

Triple sticks Tango Tango.

@lisanadinebaker5179 10 ай бұрын

Love this guy's response when the Tower asked about status of the aircraft. "A few other electrical problems, nothing major." I would really be afraid to ask just what his definition of "major" is!! Well flown, sir!!! Well flown. Ice water in your veins for sure!

@christinekwasnicki4238 10 ай бұрын

major would be something that affects the performance or controllability of the aircraft.

@jodyolivent8481 10 ай бұрын

I lost the alternator on my private checkride. Elected to finish as we were already heading back to the home airport and only needed to complete 2 landings.

@FencerPTS 10 ай бұрын

Handheld is great to have JIC. Glad everything worked out!

@jbreezy101 10 ай бұрын

Handheld is good but you have to be close for transmission and reception… cell phones are a few times better but I’d rather try handheld then cell.

@cgtbrad 10 ай бұрын

@@jbreezy101Icom makes a little box called ANT-SB that allow you to plug your handheld into the aircraft antenna much increasing range.

@fulano86 10 ай бұрын

Very nicely done by all involved!!

@BobbyBattista 10 ай бұрын

Glad this worked out so well, thank you for sharing! I once had a flight where I could barely hear anyone on the radios just after takeoff - I was trying everything I could think of, re-pluggling in the headset in, turning it off and on, even looking at the circuit breakers. I was thinking about how I was going to handle the radio out procedures and was really stressed out as a new pilot flying solo... finally figured out the issue... the volume was turned really low! Oh, and embarrassing moment #2, during one of my very first night cross country flights, I couldn't see the airfield and kept clicking the radio to turn on the lights at the airfield. "Am I lost? Are the lights broken? What could it possibly be?!" I was on the wrong frequency :) The relief when the lights came on was the best. It's still one of my favorite things about flying, turning on the runway lights at night.

@Boodieman72 10 ай бұрын

Kudos to the Air Wisconsin crew for helping out. I do wonder why controllers keep trying to reach via radio when the pilot is squawking 7600. Good on the pilot for having a backup handheld radio.

@gutschke 10 ай бұрын

It is very tempting to simply stop transmitting, because the other party told you that they can't hear you. That's a very normal human response. So, kudos to the tower for not doing that and continuing to communicate even when they weren't sure whether their messages can be received. There are all sorts of technical reasons why a pilot would squawk 7600. The outage can be temporary, it can be in one direction only, it can be location-dependent, it can be just very noisy, ... It is prudent to make use of each and every form of communication however small the chances of getting through.

@jbreezy101 10 ай бұрын

I found out from Mentour aviation to transmit in the blind and say so. Now i see the reason for it

@sinenomis 9 ай бұрын

He might still hearing you, or you may be lucky!

@Iam_Dunn 10 ай бұрын

Great job all around! ❤ from 🇨🇦 :)

@catherinekilgour2563 10 ай бұрын

If you have issues with your radio the transponder code to squawk is 7600. I was taking off from a controlled airport when I had a radio failure and changed my transponder straight away as the last (partial) radio call that I heard was from the tower to myself. As I had already been cleared out of the control zone I followed the route that the tower had cleared me for. I spoke with the person in the tower later and they were excited because they had never seen anyone squawk 7600 before so it was a first for them. The wondered if I would come back around and land and would they have to use the lights to communicate with me but as I was going to uncontrolled airfield I decided just to vacate the area with the hope my radio would come right before I landed. Which it did.

@matthendricks9666 10 ай бұрын

Very well done.

@North_West1 10 ай бұрын

Interesting video. Like the variety.

@arpeltier 10 ай бұрын

Great job all around! Nice to see how to do it well.

@wingloading 10 ай бұрын

This one caught my interest as I fly out of PWK (sometimes out of hangar 5!). Nice handling by the PIC. Can I also bash Cirrus a bit? Great concept, but they pack so much change into that design, that they seem to suffer from all sorts of quirks and issues. TCO must be painful.

@scottpatterson4105 10 ай бұрын

I carry a handheld also, not sure why he didn't default to it to begin with. I also provided a jack to connect to one of the external antennas.

@Windian95 10 ай бұрын

Short range and a lot going on other than radios. Basically lost my panel other than backup instruments

@bombsaway6340 10 ай бұрын

Nicely done.

@awgunner429 10 ай бұрын

Good job on the pilot. Though I do wonder if he thought about trying to transmit on Guard frequency. Comms loss is a valid reason to transmit on Guard.

@douglasphillips1203 10 ай бұрын

Electrical issues causing static, I'm not sure that would have helped.

@rc300xs 10 ай бұрын

I had this same thing happen. I had just swapped out my radio. When I slid the new radio into the tray and secured it, the retainer clip on the antenna connector at the back of the tray came off so the antenna wasn’t connected. I talked with the tower before leaving and the transmission seemed perfect however I was close to the tower. After departure I called clear of the zone but never got a response. After a few attempts to reach the tower with no response, I used Bluetooth on the headset to phone the tower. They cleared me straight in to land.

@Penoatle 10 ай бұрын

Great upload!

@darrenhenderson3 10 ай бұрын

Pilot did a very good job!

@dew9103 10 ай бұрын

Nicely handled by everyone! One small question though: how did 111TT got on the same frequency as exec tower? Did he switch it himself or something?

@iflyplanes687 10 ай бұрын

Since his radio was in a transmit only condition, he was probably already talking to the approach controller before the failure. Pilots will typically continue to transmit just in case it’s a partial radio failure like this was. If it’s a complete failure then it wouldn’t matter anyways but there’s no harm in trying to announce your intention to someone. Once he did that, he probably looked up the tower frequency and switched on his own and did the same thing… tried transmitting just in case he was readable, in this case he was. But the communication failure code would have told the story even if it was a total radio failure, :)

@dew9103 10 ай бұрын

@@iflyplanes687 oh alright!

@TheCaioKyleBraga 10 ай бұрын

That's WHY I always carry a backup radio.

@ryancrazy1 10 ай бұрын

nice flying.

@rdfox76 10 ай бұрын

Handled like a pro. Bravo Zulu.

@Windian95 10 ай бұрын

Thanks!

@z31beck 10 ай бұрын

I had a backup radio (which works amazing) before I bought a headset. I don't understand this at all. It's cheap and I can listen to an extra 5-10 minutes before I'm even inside the plane. It's also nice to hear things being resolved with people you know without roasting to death inside the plane after you've landed.

@Alaska-jp8qk 10 ай бұрын

Handheld radios have very poor range and are usually only useful when you're within a few miles of the airfield.

@z31beck 10 ай бұрын

@@Alaska-jp8qk yes to transmit, but they pick up just fine. I routinely listen to traffic 70 miles away. In this case the pilot was only a few miles anyway, and a relay would have worked perfectly, if the transmitter wasn't powerful enough.

@Daishi0861 10 ай бұрын

Probably a matter of having a backup transceiver, but not having it appropriately situated inside the cockpit for back use in flight. Ergonomics are important when trying to handle multiple things in an aircraft. Also entirely possible that the panel failure meant they were distracted and simply overlooked the handset presence until things had calmed down and the initial shock of having a situation arise passed.

@azzkikr2407 10 ай бұрын

Gol Flight G3 1003 got smoke in the cabin today. Do u know something about it?

@nicom6748 10 ай бұрын

Too cool on the relay help

@derneuburger546 10 ай бұрын

Well done from both, ATC and Pilot, but now i have a few questions: The transmitter in the cirrus dont have a emergency backup (Internal battery) to remain comms in such situations? (electric gremlin) Would a handheld transmitter be strong enough to regain comms while in the air and several miles out of the Airfield?

@HiddenWindshield 10 ай бұрын

Radios in a private plane are like stereos in a private car: you can have as many or as few as you wish. (Though, you do need at least one for certain high-traffic areas.) Handhelds can reach many miles in the air.

@myckee 10 ай бұрын

Interesting. This is the second video I've seen of a Cirrus with comm issues.

@operator0 10 ай бұрын

Apparently the composite nature of these aircraft have led to a larger than normal amount of radio problems. Usually nothing this major though. It sounds like this was mainly an electrical problem, which could be something as minor as a weak ground.

@leolatch8011 10 ай бұрын

Why didn’t the handheld come out earlier ?

@DrBreakalot 10 ай бұрын

Because you'd have to grab it, set it to the correct frequency and you'd need one of your hands to transmit, while you should be using both hands to fly

@edsonherald3720 10 ай бұрын

Awesome Use of The GOLDEN RULES : FLY, NAVIGATE, COMMUNICATE !

@djohnranch 10 ай бұрын

Could he have called the ATC at that airport on cell phone? Just curious how it works.

@tdolan500 10 ай бұрын

You may be able to send a sms message at lower altitudes but not make a call. Cell towers tend to point out and down so they signal quickly becomes very patchy. Also there’s measures in place to deal with radio outages like calls in the blind, the lights etc. pulling your phone out, getting the number for the tower etc would be adding to your work load when you’re already busy.

@johnthompson5741 10 ай бұрын

@@tdolan500I’ve made a call in a plane up around 5000’ and reception was fine. Granted it was very loud and hard to hear the other person, plus I was a passenger that didn’t have to worry about flying the plane. But it can be done, just not worth it as you said

@tdolan500 10 ай бұрын

@@johnthompson5741 yeah it depends on the area, if you had a passenger with you to try it it would be worth a shot otherwise you’d be better just sticking to the training.

@balthazar259 10 ай бұрын

As far as I'm aware, the main reason why airplane mode is a thing is so that your phone doesn't blast the telephone frequencies with very high intensity signals trying to connect to a cell tower that's far away. It is generally not advised to operate any electronic devices while in the air, beyond the ones that are certified to perform such operation, much less while actively flying an aircraft in an emergency situation. All this to say : yes, technically you could, the tower has a phone number and you may be able to get a connection, but in a real life scenario it is not something you should do

@ImpendingJoker 10 ай бұрын

The funny thing is: That particular FAA requirement is a misnomer made in the 60's with little to no information and they've just never changed it. Your hand held back up radio is putting out more power than your cellphone and it is in the same band as your aircraft where as cellphones are in completely different frequencies band. The whole "No electronics on airplanes" comes from the same train of thought of "No cellphones around gas pumps", there is literally no corroborating evidence to support the claims. Next time you are in an airplane use your phone and see if you crash or if they even know you are using it. Modern airliners are practically flying faraday cages and the sensitive flight instruments are isolated and shielded and this is from an aviator in both civilian and military of 30 years experience.@@balthazar259

@freema22 10 ай бұрын

Palwaukee forever!!!

@AkshayGenius 10 ай бұрын

When flying at night, do you have to land using instrument / RNAV/ GPS or can you still land visually?

@ImpendingJoker 10 ай бұрын

You can land VFR at night provided the weather is VFR. You actually have to have a few hours of night time flying to get your PPL.

@AkshayGenius 10 ай бұрын

@@ImpendingJoker Thanks, I see! So this person likely landed VFR using visual references since his navigation aids were probably not working? I'm not a pilot so I'm just trying to image orienting and navigating to the airport at night must be quite challenging without some kind of GPS guidance.

@repatch43 10 ай бұрын

Is a handheld required equipment? It should be if not.

@troyrowekamp7052 10 ай бұрын

Did he ever try his other comm?

@Windian95 10 ай бұрын

Good question. I basically lost my panel due to a blown diode in Alt 1. The feedback from the Alternator was blocking comms on my end and causing multiple warning lights and bad readings on the glass panels. I had to revert to backup instruments and known throttle settings to fly the airplane. In hindsight I could have turned off Alt 1 to solve the issue. I also should have declared an emergency (squawk 7700) and then not have to worry about landing clearance given everything I had going on.

@lyaneris 9 ай бұрын

I'm pretty sure he had one on approach freq and one on twr

@pomerau 10 ай бұрын

I may say with a soupcon of modesty that I have been following aviation incidents from afar for several decades, and there is very little I don't know or haven't hea ...... so there's this thing call a Light Gun? 😛

@chrisschack9716 10 ай бұрын

Yes, it does pretty much what you'd think, throws up a green/red/white spot visible for several miles.

@Daishi0861 10 ай бұрын

Ye, backup signal gun shot from the tower in the direction of the plane to indicate whether they need to orbit, clear to come in for landing, or stay away, among a few other things. images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/5bb6241501232caaa3c1fef1/a76a9651-a4e3-418d-96c0-6b435e9f84ee/71tVlnFnl1L.png

@AeroGraphica 10 ай бұрын

At 2:55 its 15 000 not 14 000

@bearsharkp3901 9 ай бұрын

For some unknown reason this shit really gets up my PTSD it's really hard to listen to these recordings

@UnshavenStatue 10 ай бұрын

4:53 "that i can switch over to if need be" -- the phrase "if need be" is a now-rare but still-in-use frozen phrase, a sort of subjunctive-esque type phrase

@gmanleon 10 ай бұрын

Bro didn’t use his handheld he had the whole time?

@ScottySwans 10 ай бұрын

What does the light gun do?

@maxineloveman5519 10 ай бұрын

The light gun can flash Green, Red, or White, and decoding the various colors and whether it is solid or flashing is part of pilot training to prepare all pilots for this situation. google "light gun signals" for a breakdown, it's quite fun.

@icollectstories5702 10 ай бұрын

I don't recall hearing that term. I wonder if it's like a laser pointer or a deluminator. Mebbe it's a .22?

@Dhjkv 10 ай бұрын

It’s a way for tower to communicate with a lost comm aircraft. Tower can shoot a red or green beam of light to the plane that can be constant or flashing. Depending on what color and if it’s flashing or not it can clear a lost comm aircraft to land, return for landing, do not land, etc

@rubenvillanueva8635 10 ай бұрын

A Tower Light gun, has a highly focused beam of light. It can send A clear light beam, a Red beam or a Green beam. The light gun bean, can be visible at night up to 15 SM and during the day up to 7 SM. A controller can issue a variety of instructions or information to a pilot either on the ground or airborne. It is important for pilots and controllers to know what each signal means and when they are applicable to the situation.

@beachbum77979 10 ай бұрын

@@icollectstories5702 "Light gun signals emit a bright light visible from great distances, allowing a controller to issue instructions or warnings to a pilot. The signal may be transmitted using a handheld directional lamp operated by an air traffic controller in the tower or on the apron, or it may be from a beacon fixed to the tower." When I Googled "light gun" it did have lots of stuff about video game stuff. "ATC light gun signals" yields lots of info about what they are in an aviation context. Don't EVER aim a laser pointer at an aircraft unless you want some free bed and breakfast in jail.

@doma9584 10 ай бұрын

Not a pilot: could you use a cell phone to reach the tower?

@midknight1978 10 ай бұрын

sq 7600..long time since ive seen this code

@stargazer7644 10 ай бұрын

If you had another radio, why weren't you using it?

@RipRoaringGarage 10 ай бұрын

Remember the days when a radio was independent of MCU, ECUs, Can Buses, and all? Every day we stray further from the light of God, lol

@jdkgcp 10 ай бұрын

Seems he was hearing everything just fine while claiming he couldn't hear them.

@wagmiorngmi 10 ай бұрын

It's always the Cirrus pilots who are the biggest drama queens. He could hear the controllers just fine.

@alext8828 10 ай бұрын

I don't think any of these ATC guys are enunciating. They seem to talk too fast and take pride in sounding like they're in a big god damn hurry. It's mostly dead air up here. I don't hear anything and then a bunch of rushed messages that don't make sense. I'm flying in my plane and I like to hear a long slow message that sounds like " Would you like some more pie?" Not "eightfifithehgolthe3398 tango tango delta clear to downwind watchamacallit." That's complete bullshit. It's bad enough I gotta look at all these gauges and set everything all the time. Then the guy says: ##### you're flying the wrong way. Hell, this is the way I was taught. No, you're flying in the wrong direction. Oh, thanks, I'll turn around... I mean I'll turn the plane around the go the other way.

@wagmiorngmi 10 ай бұрын

what on earth are you babbling on about? I think it best you just buy yourself a ticket on American Airlines to get from A to B, buckle up and let the pro's do the flying.

@kvusiak 10 ай бұрын

listen to KDAB or KGFK approach on a nice VFR day during the school year and you'll change your mind