Did China ACTUALLY Steal its High-Speed Trains Technology?

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Did China ACTUALLY Steal its High-Speed Trains Technology?

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@RailwaysExplained Жыл бұрын

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@uncinarynin Жыл бұрын

They skipped CRH4 because 4 is an unlucky number in China.

@user-bm1hy1gn7x Жыл бұрын

4 in Chinese sounds similar to death

@charless7410 Жыл бұрын

Interestingly we have multiple explanations for that😂 One saying is that 4 was originally set aside for the AGV of Alstom, but eventually this didn’t happen

@theredbar-cross8515 Жыл бұрын

Holy cow, an English YT video about China that isn't just "CHINA BAD" repeated ad nauseum. I didn't know such unbiased videos were still legal in the English language.

@nehcooahnait7827 Жыл бұрын

Don’t set the bar too low. The tittle itself is a bit of “China IS bad” clickbait for those with these convictions

@soumyajitsingha9614 Жыл бұрын

A bot has been spotted

@jjjpk6291 10 ай бұрын

@@soumyajitsingha9614你母亲是机器人吗？可笑的印度人😅

@boiscooka232 10 ай бұрын

@@soumyajitsingha9614Indonesia High speed train 😂 🚆 India only dream of

@svanimation8969 9 ай бұрын

@@boiscooka232🤡😂 u comparing apples and oranges ? U know its not 143 km route its 508 km route with fully elevated tracks not on ground like Indonesia mostly track ! (Exception is only 25 km long under sea tunnle) u comparing totally different things 😂

@deutschthomas2751 Жыл бұрын

This is a typical way to master a foreign tech: introduce it from foreign-imitate it- enhance it and let it become a thing of yourself gradually, some other examples includes CN aircraft carrier and internet

@justsomedude6666 Жыл бұрын

It’s unfortunate people are usually bias when it comes to tech from China. Even though their design philosophy is realistic and makes a lot of sense.

@GBR9794 Жыл бұрын

@@justsomedude6666 well, because their government loves to boast about stuffs like that which does obviously attracts haters and politics so......

@coco-sw7ce 10 ай бұрын

There is also the automobile industry, but unfortunately it is not very successful. Now I choose new energy.

@GaminGiga 8 ай бұрын

No one would laugh at DJI

@-qsprey7881 Жыл бұрын

China's high-speed rail development strategy is a typical microcosm of many industries in China. It attracts foreign advanced manufacturers through huge order amounts, makes foreign contractors compete with each other through superb negotiation skills and irresistible amounts, and forces technology transfer (of course, you can refuse the technology transfer, nothing more than losing the bidding, but this will make you lose huge orders, and then fall behind in the next round of technological evolution) Then China unites the large-scale state-owned enterprises controlled by him to absorb as many technologies as possible, integrates new technical standards, and then promotes them in the huge domestic market, because the huge scale far exceeds the foreign markets and is widely used. China can quickly iterate on technology, and it won't take long for China to defeat all the previous advanced foreign suppliers and win industry hegemony. But such a strategy is not easy to replicate. You need a huge market, strong state institutions, a large and fully controlled state-owned enterprise group, a large number of hard-working science and engineering talents and workers. It is very difficult to absorb a large amount of technology and fast engineering construction in a short period of time. Speed is everything. If you slow down, technology you learned before may have fallen behind. You must know that the previous supplier will not provide you with the most advanced technology. If it is too Slow, by the time you fully apply it, it may have become a technology that needs to be eliminated. Maybe India fits the bill?

@user-fn4kx7qz6o Жыл бұрын

you're right. market for technology. Indonesia did the same, China will transfer certain technology to Indonesia for the HSR contract. but whether they can obsorb or not is their problem.

@steveman888 Жыл бұрын

@@user-fn4kx7qz6o I only can tell you , Indonesia learns step by step like a baby learning to walk before running. First we absorb the fast civil construction method. Lots of our own infrastructure construction method is learnt from China. Later we build the train sets , most likely using Chinese made parts that for sure. That is why in our HSR development instead of doing a stand alone execution , we form a JVC with CRRI ( subsidiary of CRH ) , called PT. KCIC , which will be the backbone of other HSR projects in Indonesia. The main civil contractor , Sinohidro , was already in Indonesia since 2007 and got lots of new infra with our own SOE , especially the BRI and GMF ( Global Maritime Fulcrum) , initiated in 2015 between China and Indonesia. What worries the US and Japan now is that China is no 1 investor in Indonesia this year and will grow more higher. President Jokowi and his political party has a long history established from 1955 between Pres Sukarno and Chairman Mao. Our GDP PPP is increased fast because we took the lead from China ( not US) . ✌️🌎🇮🇩🤝🇨🇳🙏

@steinwaldmadchen Жыл бұрын

@@steveman888 You know US actually made and still make very efficient diesel locos? For HSRs things can be very different between Japan and Europe, or even between two European countries. That's why Chinese imported trains from all over the world. Limit yourself to just Chinese POV is dumb, and at the same time burn bridges with Japan would only do more harm than good.

@AndrewManook Жыл бұрын

@@steinwaldmadchen Business with China is way too lucrative.

@bieneulm1982 Жыл бұрын

So, the way you explain it, the chinese doing sounds a bit like what the fictious borg would do...

@dyf123cxe Жыл бұрын

It seems that the Ministry of Railways of China has basically obtained the technologies of the four high-speed railway manufacturing groups that bid through a very strict bidding contract and a very attractive market. But now it seems that, in addition to earning profits from the number of trains required in the contract and a batch of parts that Chinese railway manufacturers could not produce by themselves at that time, they have cultivated a new competitor by themselves.

@andrewzhang985 Жыл бұрын

Ignorant idiot, you are talking crap.

@chjin1796 8 ай бұрын

The global high-speed rail market is very small. Because high-speed rail construction is very expensive, not many countries can afford it. The countries in which these companies are based also do not offer large enough markets. Holding a lot of technology and waiting to die or selling technology at a high price may create a competitor. What would you choose? Normal people would choose the latter. After all, they are not the only companies with technology.Of course they don't sell the latest technology. This way they can still stay ahead (at least that's what they think, but unfortunately China is a monster)

@user-no2zl1ud1g 8 ай бұрын

没有一个国家能像中国有这么大的订单，他们已经挣了很多钱了

@stvdmc2011 7 ай бұрын

You can't hide knowledge. Either make money along the way or never shown the light.

@greentraveler4114 Жыл бұрын

I like taking those Fuxing trains way more than other types, even faster, smarter, way more comfortable, and with a lot of high techs. China made huge progress in trains definitely.

@adimasguntur Жыл бұрын

Super amazing video. Now I know why early gen Chinese HSR looked a lot like ICE, E2, Pendo etc

@colonylaser4860 Жыл бұрын

Wait a minute ... if China put out the bid, and paid the bidders won the contract to transfer technology, and later developed next generation of the said technology on their own, then where's the bit about "Stole its High-Speed Trains Technology"? And if they didn't steal it, why'd you put it in the title?.... It's a rhetorical question, but you know, in most places in the world, it's an insult if you accused someone for stealing, to say nothing of it being a false accusation.... wait, are you American?

@g2s88 Жыл бұрын

It's probably a bit of clickbait, but the emphasis on the "actually" in the title implies it's addressing a commonly-held belief, rather than being an accusation. The video does a good job of answering the question in the title, but at the same time doesn't address the question directly at all

@rusticcloud3325 9 ай бұрын

I perceive the title more like "Are you sure that China stole their HSR technology?"

@yihenry4471 Жыл бұрын

7:22 correction: the Guangzhou-Shenzhen Railway is not the route shown in the video. It is the mainland part of the Kowloon-Canton Railway, which was modernized into a 4-track line with a top operating speed of 200km/h. The Guangzhou-Shenzhen high speed railway was built in 2005. It began its services in 2011, with a top speed of 350km/h.

@fab8657 Жыл бұрын

16:08 correction: the top speed of the Mercitalia Rail Fast ETR500 in service was limited to 250 km / h, not 180. The service was unluckily created just before the pandemic, so it quickly became economically inconventient. The service was stopped in late 2022, with the locos planned to be sent back to the mother company Trenitalia (passenger service) and the cars put in a garage for now.

@ambergris5705 Жыл бұрын

I mean, freight saw a boom during covid, so I think high speed train freight had all its chances... thought there might have been other factors. But I don't know whether it's fair to blame everything on the covid, if it's not a viable market, then that's it.

@samongandroid 11 ай бұрын

China licensed foreign companies to build HSR trains, but when it came to the more advanced trains nobody want sell to the Chinese. So they ended up building their own trains and overtooke the Euros and Japanese. The rest is history.

@Official-OpenAI 10 ай бұрын

False. China bought the technology. They literally buy everything else. Why? Cause they can. That's a good thing though. You still gotta give credit where credit is due though.

@DescendantofYellowEmperor 12 күн бұрын

@@Official-OpenAIChina already had several new models of high speed trains before technology transfer...and China also have the largest RD teams on high speed railway...that's why you can stand coins on Chinese train

@Fals3Agent Жыл бұрын

So if China was able to do technology transfer like this, why aren't other countries like India not able to do the same?

@coolsoenie Жыл бұрын

I think India gets stuck in bureaucracy and corporations

@downfallofderuntergang Жыл бұрын

They had an excellent leader called Zhijun Liu, you can look him up, he brought the chinese railway from scratches to the peak. Unfortunately he was later arrested and the chinese HSR suffered 6 years of tragic with lowering speeds and halting construction. It is safe to say if not for Liu the chinese HSR would likely barely exist.

@arjunraj823 Жыл бұрын

India is adopting shinkansen technology. E5 series will be delivered to run on new HSR lines.

@taiwanstillisntacountry Жыл бұрын

India?😂😂😂😂😂 Japan built 9.6km in 5 years HSR tracks.

@manishgrg639 Жыл бұрын

@@coolsoenie sounds more like a corruption in government office

@creaturexxii Жыл бұрын

The CR400AF-Z has the best exterior design IMO especially the headlight placement. Whereas the standard CR400AF and CR400BF has a somewhat weird headlight design and placement, the CR400AF-Z's design is just right. But of course, be sure to share to us your favourite high speed train as we all have our personal favourites

@user-bm1hy1gn7x Жыл бұрын

By the way CR400BF-Z is my favorite high speed train from China

@entized5671 Жыл бұрын

it gotta be the Velaro for me I personally think that the ICE 3/early Velaro series literally have the perfect design for a high speed train and really it’s impossible to get any better than that

@user-bm1hy1gn7x Жыл бұрын

@@entized5671 you mean crh3c/crh380b ?

@entized5671 Жыл бұрын

@@user-bm1hy1gn7x precisely

@KelvinFTDIU-StandardGaming Жыл бұрын

For my favourite rolling stock of CRH/CR is CRH380D, but hard to disagree the coolest one is the CR400AF-Z

@leon_z1201 Жыл бұрын

Thank you for your unbiased, objective video. Yes, the Hexie series was created under several foreign technology transfers, and most of its patents were only valid inside China, hence it couldn't be exported abroad. Then came the Fuxing series, which was developed completely with more advanced domestic technologies, and could be exported via the OBOR initiative without any problems.

@jurajkovac8507 Жыл бұрын

That doesn't make it any less problematic, though, does it? Sure, western companies provided the technology and know-how voluntarily, but China's business practices really wouldn't fly in much of the rest of the world. I'm not a protectionist by any means, but I sort of get why many European countries are so reluctant to procure Chinese trains after what happened with Siemens, Alstom or Kawasaki.

@yinshengwang887 Жыл бұрын

@@jurajkovac8507China itself has more than 75% of the world's high-speed EMU market, which is why the so-called trade protectionism is so ridiculous. China has purchased the equivalent of 4,000 standard trainsets（every 8 cars equal to a standard trainset, 16 cars train equal to two standard trainsets） of high-speed EMUs in the past 20 years, while Germany has only about 250 (including all ICE3 and ICE4).

@KatzeMuffelLebt Жыл бұрын

@@yinshengwang887 I dont understand your point. Because the chinese market itself is huge and China bought a lot of technology (not trains) from Europe, CRRC should be allowed to export to Europe?

@yinshengwang887 Жыл бұрын

@@KatzeMuffelLebt CRRC not higy care about if their train can be export to EU countires, especially west europe countires like French, German, Netherland etc.. The entire EU have much less high speed EMU markets compare to China itself. Also EU have their own high speed EMU standard, why fight against Alstom and Sirmens in their hometown?

@KatzeMuffelLebt Жыл бұрын

@@yinshengwang887 I think its also a matter of prestige to be able to sell in the highly competitive european market with its very high standards, but I understand your point, thank you.

@nicb.1213 11 ай бұрын

No, China did not steal HST Technology. In the initial stage of China HS Train there were numerous accidents and for many years she improves it with modifications, improvision. and as such unable to steal other country technology especially from the US declining technology.

@valerievankerckhove9325 9 ай бұрын

Some insider-ish insight: my father used to work for Alstom, though he worked on other infrastructure projects like subways and not HSR. Basically, many of these companies didn't take China seriously. My dad would tell me that he had a harder time trying to get through to the head honchos in Paris than through China's notorious bureaucracy (and the bureaucracy was really bad, basically ping-pong sessions between departments that were afraid to take responsibility). The Alstom heads were well-paid executives in their cozy European offices, who sort of viewed China as some unimportant backyard. Sure, this is Unthinkable now, but basically try to imagine you're an HSR executive Now and you're in charge of the India or (random examples) Nigeria or Mexican markets. Surely you're also thinking "meh." China took advantage of that attitude.

@kanojune5754 9 ай бұрын

I mean, in the east, now china and japan compete in south and southeast asia to build region's high speed rail lines. No one would consider lightly how important developing market now. Japan won India and Vietnam (which was later changed to China), with China won the bid in Indonesia and Thailand. None of us in SEA would consider Alstom or Siemens-made HST now.

@svanimation8969 9 ай бұрын

@@kanojune5754Japan give India back then India in 2000s technology of metro systems Now India have build 11 new Metro system all over India in last 10 years some of them broken record's which are finished construction in fastest Pace ! For example kanpur city metro which took 2 and half year ! And later Nagpur city metro neo which took only 1year 7 months to Complete ! At the we all are humans ! If got right teaching's can easily aquire any skill

@jonseilim4321 Жыл бұрын

I hope they export more high-speed rail to Southeast Asia, car centric urban planning is way too prevalent here

@qjtvaddict Жыл бұрын

USA: first time?

@PrograError Жыл бұрын

well blame colonial legacy railways and non investment in those due to wanting to follow the western "model" hence the car centric urban planning around SE Asia. ( only Singapore is a better city on transit oriented urban planning but it's still deeply car centric) tho every large metropolitan cities are planning to expand it's transit better

@doujinflip Жыл бұрын

Legacy hand-dug at-grade rail lines aren't conducive to HSR (it's fine for freight though which themselves are still needed). It wasn't until the 1960s when Japan's Shinkansen figured out how much tunneling and bridging is required to make one happen. Sadly the urban sprawl that has happened since means it just gets exponentially more expensive to buy out the right of way required.

@steinwaldmadchen Жыл бұрын

@@doujinflip Speeding up existing lines isn't a real option for narrow gauge railways when stability is worse than standard gauge. In fact even in modern times, only a handful can run at 160km/h - then Hokuhoku Line in Japan, North Coast Line in Queensland Australia which is also powered by Japanese trains, and West Coast Line in Malaysia. In contrast existing standard gauge lines can sustain 200km/h~250km/h with some enhancements and maybe a tilting train, depending on track conditions. In fact that has been done in multiple European countries, China or even US, which is quite behind in HSR technologies.

@qjtvaddict Жыл бұрын

@@steinwaldmadchen ohh well they can build new lines

@alialtun1508 11 ай бұрын

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@richardthegingerbo909 11 ай бұрын

you sound like a bot

@94PiOTS Жыл бұрын

chinese hsr system has a one fine thing: high speed sleeper train D311- need this in europe

@lizhongshen Жыл бұрын

why do you need sleeper train in europe?

@steinwaldmadchen Жыл бұрын

@@lizhongshen Think of Paris to Moscow, which took 2 days for the RZD sleeper to travel for a distance of 2500+ km (suspended after Ukraine war, and rightfully so, though), or Paris to Istanbul, which the infamous Orient Express ran. Even within countrys like Sweden and Finland it can take hours to travel on conventional 200km/h trains, that sleeper is a better option. But I don't think tech is an issue for the Europeans - after all, CRH1E was built by BST, which then Bombardier (now part of Alstom) helped to design and operate. Or they can stick with the coaches they have in hand, which can run up to 200km/h. The major issues are the lack of interoperability and high speed links near the borders.

@lizhongshen Жыл бұрын

@@steinwaldmadchen most people will just pay €100 to fly 2 hours rather than pay €800 to sleep on a train for 10 hours. Also, train in EU cannot continuously run 200km/h for hours because of ancient rail tracks here and there.

@sunmanyi3265 6 ай бұрын

For anyone used to the scope of traditional railway projects, the statistics are often mind boggling. Construction of the 815-kilometer, $13.5 billion Zhengzhou East-Wangzhou line was completed in less than five years.

@user-zh6qo7fi3n 4 ай бұрын

it is Wanzhou

@williamgarcia1909 Жыл бұрын

AT THE START, CHINA IMPORTED HIGH SPEED RAIL TECHNOLOGY FROM JAPAN. AFTER THAT CHINA IMPROVED UPON THE ORIGINAL DESIGN N EXCEEDED THE JAPANESE SPEED OF ABOUT 200 KMS/HR. TO 350 KMS/HR. CHINA DID NOT STEAL ANY HIGH SPEED RAIL TECHNOLOGY.

@elysiumcore Жыл бұрын

Did you watch the video ? it was ALL imported.. wheels, motors, card, engine. that is years of research and development. it clearly stated licensed imported tech - So China did not invent anything, it does look fishy that once they got the train from Japan they terminated the contract

@Official-OpenAI 10 ай бұрын

@@elysiumcore Correct

@liongjiahwong5478 6 ай бұрын

Another nonsense.. some says China stole the American space station..@@elysiumcore

@edisonz2006 Жыл бұрын

This video started off strong and ended in a bit of a haste lol. You forgot to mention the CRH6 which is a regional/commuter EMU based on the CRH2. Also @ 14:15 you didn't include "J", which is 集 in Chinese. 集 is short for 动力集中型动车组 (concentrated-power EMU), which means they have a power car instead of distributed-traction.

@minhtiennguyendo 10 ай бұрын

In the future the high speed-railway for China will be expanded up to 70,000 km by 2035

@petergilkes7082 Жыл бұрын

Of course they copied them, they have wheels. Just like their rockets are copies of American ones, because they have the engines at the bottom and the pointy bit at the top. So obvious!

@xinyiquan666 Жыл бұрын

rockets are invention of china, all rockets today are copied from ancient china

@steveman888 Жыл бұрын

The American stole rocket tech and turbo jet from Germany after WW2.

@Franeux Жыл бұрын

A more accurate translation of the word Fuxing is Renaissance.

@TrainsForNSWVlogs 4 ай бұрын

I thought Fux meant fox and ING meant star

@user-gi2kb7cb7m Жыл бұрын

3:06 correction: The key technology onboard DJJ1 "Blue Arrow" actually comes from Adtranz (later Bombadier). Its traction motors (4FHA 7056C) have a deep connection with Lok 2000 series. Its water-cooled IGBT-based inverters and MITRAC are the very same we had on Bombadier TRAXX series. I have actually watched an old video clip filming an accelerating "Blue Arrow". To my surprise, it sounds very similiar to a DBAG BR146.2. (And remember, the "Blue Arrow" was built almost 5 years before BR146.2）

@nooxis2643 Жыл бұрын

the converter of the DJJ1 is actually quite different from the one in the 146.2 both are part of the same familly; ADtranz MPC (Modular Power Converter), but the one used on the DJJ1 is alsmost identical to the one used on the Talgo 350. the only difference being that it has less IPM modules (6 exactly).

@sunmanyi3265 6 ай бұрын

Not satisfied with pushing the boundaries of speed, endurance and civil engineering, Chinese companies are among the first in the world to introduce new technology such as autonomous (driverless) train operation and advanced signaling and control technology. The driverless “bullet trains” connecting Beijing and Zhangjiakou in northern Hebei province are capable of hitting speeds up to 350 kph, making them the world’s fastest autonomous trains.

@pio-js7ww Жыл бұрын

The first Fuxing EMUs were developed by CRRC Changchun and CRRC Sifang. They made different models.

@Vifi333 Жыл бұрын

Whatever accusation you put on China nothing you can do At the end you're jealous. I'm not Chinese either

@privacyhelp Жыл бұрын

Did you know tesla copied honda? Yes honda and tesla's cars have doors, tires, steering wheel, and sound system

@cindyhuang7021 Жыл бұрын

i actully agree

@steinwaldmadchen Жыл бұрын

But China is more like GAC than Tesla, which the former cooperated Honda to built cars for Honda. And of course GAC didn't cooperate for the sake of cooperate - they clearly eyed for the techs. Chinese gov'ts and companies did publicly said "吸收消化再創新" multiple times in public, literally "ingest, digest and reinnovate".

@ignatiusqi9736 Жыл бұрын

finally some white English speaker who realizes the "h" in the digraph "zh" serves the same function as that in "sh" and do not pronounce "zh" as "z"! I'm...impressed and touched, somewhat.

@oldherl Жыл бұрын

But he pronounces Hexie as Heksie...

@ignatiusqi9736 Жыл бұрын

@@oldherl yeah, "huck-syeh" or "heck-syeh" is kinda f**ked up, but still better than "huh-zyeh" or "heh-zyeh".

@RailwaysExplained Жыл бұрын

that was bad indeed... not gonna happen again!

@willengel2458 Жыл бұрын

the short answer is NO. China bought all the rights and blueprints from Siemens of Germany for its first generation of HSR. maybe a thing or two from Japan. Siemens is also partner in Silk Road Fund.

@willengel2458 Жыл бұрын

Siemens also sent two technicians to assist in building China's first HSR.

@Official-OpenAI 10 ай бұрын

"maybe a thing or two from Japan" lol. Probably the weakest thing to say trying to prove a point.

@downfallofderuntergang Жыл бұрын

Excellent video! slight problem with the footage of the CRH2A which showed CRH2C instead

@kanchanananayakkara8959 Жыл бұрын

Thank you and much awaited video as CHR is something that amazes me. Wish if the video was more longer with videos and talks about Fuxing trains, their export models, interior designs etc. No offence but your talk on commercial partner BLINKIST was way too long and annoying in this 17.49 mins video.

@fhs7838 Жыл бұрын

What China lack is commuter EMU/DMUs. Current commuter/suburban trains are most filled with overpriced CRH6 series (CRH is a high speed platform, not for low cost low speed commuter trains). Combined with CR (the national rail operator)'s extreme neglecting commuter railways. China's regular speed EMU/EMU is completely empty. I'm hoping for BSR to come up with some good 120~160kph low speed commuter trains. Also they will operate by Beijing instead.

@MaxSum Жыл бұрын

I think regular speed EMUs are produced under the "metro" term.

@botaohenryfeng9587 Жыл бұрын

Mostly subway/metro services runs commuter trains, using mostly subway/metro set to run longer distances, but they do have CRH-6 running at 160 kph for higher speed commuting.

@CatsNeverFly Жыл бұрын

Except there's an entire CJ series, CJ=Cheng Ji=InterCity. Especially the CJ5/CJ6, they are designed to run at 160km/h, and entirely for operating between those clusters of cities

@chjin1796 Жыл бұрын

CR200. It is the vehicle used by the railway that helped build Laos. Maximum speed 200kph. Operating speed 160kph

@BukuiZhao Жыл бұрын

Don't see any problems with CRH6.

@goChillax Жыл бұрын

I've been waiting for a video like this. Thank you.

@divyajyotisamadder7576 Жыл бұрын

Technology transfer is not stealing

@Official-OpenAI 10 ай бұрын

It kind of is if you claim that those countries stole from you.

@yizhouwang3645 Жыл бұрын

I mean, could you guys truly do some analysis about HSR planning in China. It would get a lot of Chinese angry for criticizing their beloved infrastructure, but it’s important to make us think about what can be done to improve this shit or Western countries could learn from our mistakes & anything China has done pretty well

@jermainetrainallen6416 Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the vid. It's interesting how China started off by procuring rolling stock from foreign countries before eventually developing its own. Keep it up!!!🙂

@qjtvaddict Жыл бұрын

Hay USA wanna try tech transfer? It can revive manufacturing

@5688gamble Жыл бұрын

You don't steal technology, you copy it. Nobody is deprived of any physical item and ideas are something we should be sharing, not attempting to own and control, or you are creating unneccesary obstacles to innovation. If I can copy your idea and undercut you, you'd be forced to provide a better experience, improve the technology further or build your reputation- this is competition, patents are anti-competitive as you get to milk one idea without having to do anything further.

@jxmai7687 Жыл бұрын

How you know they don't have R&D.

@ninjasiren Жыл бұрын

thats just until the centuries-old copyright system creates a thick wall from those stuffs

@naniyo0 Жыл бұрын

maybe wait till u r the one who spent years and $$$$ to develop a cutting edge tech/idea/product, and then seeing ur neighbour to take ur idea with no fk given, and see what u will have to say 🤷🏽‍♂️

@bunnyfreakz Жыл бұрын

@@naniyo0 Grow some ball and stop crying.

@Bk6346 Жыл бұрын

The Chinese paid for it. Why wouldn’t they try to learn and copy the technology. You sell them a train or airplane the Chinese needs to know how to operate and also maintenance.

@AISPs Жыл бұрын

7:11 The train (2007) was on the conventional railway line rather than the newly built HSR line (2011) Nicknames are used by chinese train nerds, in fact. The Railway company and normal passengers doesn't know these

@Pozafria Жыл бұрын

Chinese trains are so beautiful... even those built by foreign firms! :D Will you guys also talk about Taiwan's HSR? It's pretty interesting imo, you could make a video about it :3 Although I wonder why Alstom decided to bring the Pendolino instead of another model of the TGV such as the Duplex, and also wonder why Kawasaki chose the E2 when they could have brought the Shinkansen 700 or 500, but well, Fuxing Hao already surpasses all those..

@KatzeMuffelLebt Жыл бұрын

Its because it was a technology transfer so the companies didnt want to bring their flagships

@Pozafria Жыл бұрын

@@KatzeMuffelLebt that makes sense I guess, but then why did Siemens gave the Velaro aka CRH3? Guess they didn't really had too much problem..

@KatzeMuffelLebt Жыл бұрын

@@Pozafria They used the Velaro platform in an earlier state than the one they are using to sell nowadays, some components (e.g. Doors) were 1-2 Generations behind the most modern ones. Also, SMO simply doesnt have another High Speed platform to offer, so if they wanted to sell something, they had to sell the Velaro, as Bombardier did later with selling the Zefiro. In the end, both companies agreed to the technology transfer and knew that the chinese would create their own product out of it, so it was all a fair deal I guess

@yinshengwang887 Жыл бұрын

China bought CRH2A at late 2004. Both Shinkansen 700 series and E2-0 series started to produce at 1997. Chinese CRH2A based on newer E2-1000 series stared produce at 2001. E2-1000 is somehow have tech advantage compare to original 700 series like their IGBT module is newer. Also CR require 250kph level EMU at that time, so both E2-1000（275kph) and 700(285kph) fullfill the speed require. Also at that time JRCentral sold 700T to Taiwan...while JREast have a more better relationship with mainland China. E2 have better cold weather experience than 700. E5 is much much later story, first E5 start operated in JRE at 2011, at that time China already have modified 350kph level CRH2C (based on CRH2A, design max speed at 350kph but running at speed may cause problems so normally they run at 310kph-330kph max) running over 4 years and the totally redesigned CRH380A which can running at 350kph with no problem&still the most comfortable highspeed EMU nowaday even compare to CR400AF/BF&hit max speed record 486kph with no modified started to operate at late 2010 (earlier than E5). No need to buy E5 at that time

@MaxSum Жыл бұрын

@@Pozafria To clarify, Alstom, Kawasaki and Bombardier won the bid of 200km/h and 250km/h trains. And thus they choose to use the older generation which can achieve these speed. But Siemens get the bid for 300km/h trains. Velaro was the only solution that can reach such requirement. For Bombardier, they have a joint venture with Sifang in China before the HSR bid. They have a closer tie to the Chinese manufacturers and are more willing to share the cutting edge technologies. Part of the Zefiro platform are actually designed in China.

@jackychen5578 Жыл бұрын

This title already represents prejudice and arrogance. We have to admit that we have stolen technology you don't have. If China can obtain such powerful and perfect train technology by stealing, our stolen technology is really great.

@cindyhuang7021 Жыл бұрын

i actully agree

@steveman888 Жыл бұрын

Jacky lots of sour grapes...as an Indonesian , I only can tell you lots of innovative tech has been incorporated into this Fuxing CR400AF , Red Komodos ( PS: we don't want to name them Red Dragons, some heads will explode then 😅😅😅😂😂😂) , what people do not know , which we Indonesian learn a lot is those tunnel construction, ballast less tracks, fast rail laying and welding, box girder installation, fast and modular train terminal construction and O and M training using AI Train simulators , fault free maintenance check list. Our staffs, operators and engineers are trained currently in China with citizens from Thailand and Laos. So yeah let them try this HSR in June this year, if you can get the seats. Millions of people from Jakarta and Bandung are going to book online fast gone as hot as red bean buns 😅😅😅😅✌️🇮🇩🤝🇨🇳🍷🎉

@steveman888 Жыл бұрын

On a side comment , I only can tell you the best cellphones sold here is Oppo not Samsung or let alone apples ( now giving steep discounts 😂😂😂) , Oppo gave a lot of innovative apps for our creative young people to develop for media and digital economy.

@hentaioverwhelming Жыл бұрын

@@steveman888 I live in Los Angeles and trying to find a carrier that carries Oppo phones is impossible

@steinwaldmadchen Жыл бұрын

@@steveman888 Many of the "innovations" you mentioned have already been done by the Europeans and Japanese. CR400AF bogies still largely resemble the original E2 design.

@bedinskiboi Жыл бұрын

Why cant we have this in america? :(

@PrograError Жыл бұрын

you did, and then you paved it over literally... your government literally demolished the business case for rail for the Interstate. and now the only few true profitable line is in the Acela corridor.

@bedinskiboi Жыл бұрын

@@PrograError yeah it sucks… and apparently, the Acela is not even faster than driving in most cases unless you live in the very city center, and even NYC to Philadelphia costs at least $100! It is very sad what happened to rail in our country :(

@ablam8 Жыл бұрын

Now things have reversed a bit. China exports wheel and bogie sets for speed up to 350 kph, to Germany, maybe other countries. It takes a special wheel to travel that fast. Another tidbit of news; China uses electric, plus diesel-electric to go to Tibet .Some elevation is too much for straight electric. Good reporting, thanks.

@eliso5973 Жыл бұрын

Transfer of technology is different than stealing.

@KinLee919 4 ай бұрын

minor mistake: at 4:06 that building is not state council but central bank.

@user-lt6ke9hg8f Жыл бұрын

Your country's official global map is 1. You are using 2. Your country expects you to use 2. And you get it too. This tacit understanding is very funny.

@torao773 Жыл бұрын

it is a bit confusing but supposedly Hexie is pronunced as Huuh-shie

@PrograError Жыл бұрын

"Her-Sae~" (I mixed a bit of korean "tone" to make it closer to how you'd say it) official hanyu pinyin is " Hé xié " " X " often is pronounced as a " S " sound

@jsc3417 Жыл бұрын

it is pronunced as 和谐

@kanojune5754 8 ай бұрын

There's several trains missing! Especially the CRH-xxxG and CRH-xxxE train. E.g. CRH1E-NG, CRH2E, CRH2G, CRH5E, and CRH5G. They have different exterior than their predecessor, much like the CRH380CL and CRH380A.

@BukuiZhao 14 күн бұрын

G trains are trains designed to operate in extremely cold environments, up to -40 degrees Celsius. E trains are sleeper trains and often operate overnight.

@nanookamotocnc Жыл бұрын

" Technology transferred " , this 2 words answered your question in the title !! 😅😆😆

@namelesswarrior4760 Жыл бұрын

Another awesome and unbiased presentation. Thank you

@RailwaysExplained Жыл бұрын

Glad you liked it!

@Tokax Жыл бұрын

As a Chinese Japanese mix I love both CRH and Shinkansen

@UnReal31337 Жыл бұрын

I'm pretty sure that Bombardier train model is named after and pronounced like the town in Saskatchewan.

@razrose2380 Жыл бұрын

In answer to your question, no.

@okman9684 Жыл бұрын

Actually there are some YES too

@Akarom927 7 ай бұрын

This question is as meaningless as ''Did Henry Ford steal the technology of aumobile production??''

@_Madfly Жыл бұрын

You've confused your tenses in the title there

@solarflare623 Жыл бұрын

Could you do a video on the railroads in the U.K since they were the ones who invented trains and steam locomotives.

@TrainsForNSWVlogs 4 ай бұрын

How British is railroads

@solarflare623 4 ай бұрын

@@TrainsForNSWVlogs I’m American

@Adrenaline_chaser Жыл бұрын

I know u're westerner and couldn't know better but still the way u pronounce "Hexie" is triggering me soooo much. It's HE XIE !! (pronounced as, ~he xi e~) Why would u pronounce that "hexy", like "sexy"?! Where do u see a "y" here? He xi e😊😊😊😊😊

@philA16 Жыл бұрын

I (someone from Germany) would say ~hex ie~ without knowing better. 'ie'' is like a 'y' here some times.

@Poobtato Жыл бұрын

since when did u guys get access to YT?

@deepseer Жыл бұрын

@@Poobtato Finding a VPN or living outside mainland China isn't that hard. Besides, why do you think that only people from mainland China care about the pronunciation?

@Poobtato Жыл бұрын

@@deepseer just a thought, how does it feel like to lose freedom

@Adrenaline_chaser Жыл бұрын

@@Poobtato Well I didn't say I was Chinese, did I? I know Chinese because I studied it at school. Regardless, Chinese people have access to internet, just not to western platforms. But that's easily solvable by just using a VPN.

@lzh4950 Жыл бұрын

6:20 Actually Hé Xié 和谐 is pronounced as "her hsieh". Yeah that's how Mandarin's Hàn yǔ Pīn yīn 汉语/漢語拼音 phonetic system works 12:46 Fù Xīng 复兴/興 can also mean 'renaissance'

@darksars3622 5 ай бұрын

What why did they go through the "effort" to make a h2o train when they could just electrify more track?

@charless7410 Жыл бұрын

Nice detailed video! Saw a clip of CRH2C of my video, glad it’s been seen by more people 😂

@BukuiZhao Жыл бұрын

Corrections: 1) Hexie is pronounced He Xie. 2) You missed the CRH6, meant for short intercity railways like Beijing to Tianjin. 3) Instead of AF or BF, there is also a J. This means that the train has two motor cars at the front and at the end, without any intermediate motor cars. This is as of now only used in the case of CR200J. 4) Back when the China Standard EMU was introduced, it used a slightly different configuration and design. The CR400BF had a single, not double, gold stripe going up, not down, and the nose was less streamlined. The CR400AF was identical in terms of exterior design but had a blue stripe going up instead of the red stripe going down in the production Fuxing trains. That was how it got the nickname Blue Dolphin, but as now even the two trains with the Blue Dolphin livery were repainted into the new red stripe, it is no longer relevant. Instead, nicknames such as Red Dragon are now used. 5) The picture at 15:01 is wrong. It is a normal CR400AF, not the CR400AF-C. The CR400AF-C looks completely different. In addition, not all CR400BF-C have the winter olympics livery. Only CR400BF-C-5162 has it. The others are 5141, 5144 and 5145 6) You also missed the -Z series, which has the Intelligent features of -C but not ATO. Letters can also be combined with the Z, to form -AZ, -BZ, and -GZ. You probably already know this if you know about the rolling stocks already, but without the Z, A would indicate a 16 car config and B would indicate a 17 car config. -G would indicate versions tolerating extremely cold environments. I.E., -BZ would indicate a 17 car config with the Intelligent features.

@ave14401 3 ай бұрын

Ive been in china for two weeks and ive loved every second of my HSR journeys. Thank you for covering this awesome infrastructure system

@edisonz2006 Жыл бұрын

You forgot to mention that the CRH5s are nicknamed "donkey"

@jaysphere7519 Жыл бұрын

We are living in the land of thieves and robbers. So it doesn't matter who steals from who, actually.

@JonathanChan212 Жыл бұрын

Been waiting for this

@lethalhands7497 Жыл бұрын

Technologies Stolen successfully 🤘

@directxxxx71 Жыл бұрын

Arabian people invented: Algebra, Trigonometry, Arts,Medicine, Astronomy, Alphabet, Hospitals,Universities... Chinese people invented: Paper, Compass, Clocks, Gunpowder, Firearms, Rocket, Money, Printing, Newspaper... By the way with these Chinese inventions, gunpowder and firearms, USA defeated the Sioux and Cheyenne. “The USA is the only country that went from barbarism to modern times without civilization in between" OSCAR WILDE

@ChineseTrainGuy 8 ай бұрын

Btw 'He Xie Hao' is pronounced 'He Sie Hao'

@hi4806 Жыл бұрын

A very detailed and accurate history

@BlacKnignt 11 ай бұрын

I feel the crh380 and 400 trains have the blood of the German ice trains flowing through them

@maestromecanico597 Жыл бұрын

It was not that long ago Tangshan was building steam locomotives. Amazing. Seeing this the Russians will have no problem finding parts for Sapsan.

@acehandler1530 Жыл бұрын

Ummm, yeah. It's what they do, like forever. You gotta admit, the watches are a work of art (if you don't sweat on them).

@tl2245 Жыл бұрын

China can't steal something which doesn't exist before... If you thing invention means steal, then you make some sense. lol...

@directxxxx71 Жыл бұрын

A thief always believes everybody steals

@directxxxx71 Жыл бұрын

@unreliablenarrator6649 Жыл бұрын

Great summary. China has improved existing rolling stock technology and innovated in HSR and Metro construction to build modern world class systems. I invite people to actually ride Chinese, Japanese and European rail systems and make objective comparisons. overly, Chinese is the most modern, efficient, comfortable and economical. In fact, if you compare economy class of all (where classes exist) Chinese are the most modern. If people want to whine about "stealing" technology, we can say the world stole the technology of coal fired British rail - from there, many countries have evolved and improved the technology.

@happyhappynuts Жыл бұрын

😂 it's not whining It's fact. Easy to build new trains at lower cost by not investing in the early stage development, avoiding ongoing licence payments whilst enjoying on your "self developed" trains the Japanese developments in overcoming wheel balancing issues, nose design overcoming tunnel boom, braking systems and more. The thing that most annoys the foreign partners is their role wasn't honestly acknowledged to the local people in China (most of whom believe it's self developed) and also China shamelessly presents HSR on CCTV as being a modern "4 great inventions" of China.

@prachisuryawanshi7359 3 ай бұрын

Underrated🇮🇳player behind curtains watching all this stuff happening for first time.

@jamallhayden2512 Жыл бұрын

Thank You!

@buzzerede Жыл бұрын

The pronunciation of hexie should sound a lot more like 'her she yeah' than 'hexy'.

@NeMayful Жыл бұрын

Thank you! This is a well-researched video and I learend a lot.

@Srbio1 Жыл бұрын

love your vids

@RailwaysExplained Жыл бұрын

Thank you! 🙂

@Ven100 Жыл бұрын

13:50 I've only seen this nose a few times. Was it only used on that one test train? While autonomous rail vehicles aren't new (people movers at airports, etc.) I do love their autonomous high speed Fuxing Hao.

@BukuiZhao Жыл бұрын

That was indeed a test train. That nose was used on the test train only.

@3Dsirius Жыл бұрын

Great video, keep posting.

@RailwaysExplained Жыл бұрын

Thanks!

Жыл бұрын

Aus heutiger Sicht, hätte ich bei solchen Ausschreibungen gar nicht teilgenommen, gerade wegen des Technologietransfers. Da hätte ich mich quer gestellt, als Hersteller, dann gibt es halt den Auftrag nicht. // From today's perspective, I would not have participated in such tenders, precisely because of the technology transfer. I would have opposed that, as a manufacturer, then there simply isn't the order.

@strongchallenger2269 Жыл бұрын

Can you tell the difference between Pepsi Cola and Coca Cola?

@AndrewManook Жыл бұрын

Pepsi tastes better.

@strongchallenger2269 Жыл бұрын

@@AndrewManook Have you done a blind test during tasting? Both are the same stealing from each other.

@fatdoi003 Жыл бұрын

your title itself is disingenuous by nature so thumb down

@cindyhuang7021 Жыл бұрын

i actully agree

@ponsrox 3 ай бұрын

China has exploited foreign technology for civilian & military use from both Europe & Russia. The method is to request for open bids for very large number of units in the beginning “350 railway rolling stock, 200 fighter jets” etc. But once the initial couple of dozen units & critical technology is transferred, the “contracts” are either renegotiated or outright cancelled. China would then soon after introduce “their own” version of the same products without even bothering to change even the external appearances. Germany also “collaborated” for some time with China on the Maglev technology which currently runs in Shanghai. Russian Sukhoi fighter jets & Chinese counterparts looks almost identical. But it is a clever strategy to jump start from a poor developing country to a country almost at par with the top technologically advanced countries in the world.

@khanhhung8959 16 күн бұрын

People get what they want isnt it?

@rogerstarkey5390 9 күн бұрын

So you're saying China "Exploited" those who were TRYING to exploit them? . Isn't that a form of "Capitalism" ? . (Oh the irony)

@darksars3622 5 ай бұрын

I think when he said dirved I think he mentioned copied lol

@brokeafengineerwannabe2071 Жыл бұрын

They traded, copied, and built their own ones. Like most manufacturing processes that get exported. That's it.

@steveman888 Жыл бұрын

This is what I called smart reverse engineering

@jerronng6036 Жыл бұрын

Thank you for the truths....very rare find in West MsM. Kudosn❤❤🎉🎉🎉

@liewnteck9250 5 ай бұрын

in this world not only us and the west have scentist and talented people

@mooreshady 8 ай бұрын

Did anyone sue them then?

@rafifgalih56 10 ай бұрын

I think some of the fuxing hao is in indonesia with its KCIC

@srikanthshastry4546 Жыл бұрын

Amazing achievement

@sleepybit498 Жыл бұрын

don't use paper .

@cindyhuang7021 Жыл бұрын

this vidio is actully underated and now befor i actully wach this vidio i can acctully see all of the rasist comments in the commet section below actully being rasist narrow mineded brats