RAM 1500 EcoDiesel (3.0L) Gets DISCONTINUED

RAM 1500 EcoDiesel (3.0L) Gets DISCONTINUED | Why Did it FAIL??

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The EcoDiesel engine in the RAM 1500 trucks is getting discontinued and production will end in January of 2023. I talk about why the 3.0L V6 Eco diesel failed and what this might mean for modern diesel engines in other 1500 pick up trucks.
FULL EcoDiesel Review video - • RAM 1500 ECODIESEL Rev...
I hope everyone has had a great weekend! Today I'm chatting once again about the notorious ram 1500 ecodiesel engine. RAM has officially announced that January 2023 will be the ending of production for the 3 liter eco diesel engine. and with this announcement I figured we could talk a little about why they felt the need to discontinue this engine.
so firstly it's probably not a surprise to many of you that as a heavy duty diesel mechanic I didn't think this engine was any good to start out with. overall it's a pretty light duty marine engine that was not disigned to be used in a pick up truck.
secondly it seemed like RAM was railroaded into making this engine and its emission compliant with the new epa emissions regulation when this engine first debut in 2014. I don't think ram could of seen the emission issues that where to come in the future with the ecodiesel when they were developing the engine for the ram 1500.
I think RAM had the right idea to bring a fuel efficient small diesel engine into the ram 1500 lineup but still have the ability to tow almost 8,000lbs with over 400 foot pounds of torque. on paper it seemed like the best of both world in a pick up truck.
now the application of this idea is where RAM failed. but still they were the first manufacture to put a modern diesel into their 1500 line up and both the other big manufactures followed.
today I think the fact that diesel fuel prices are so high and the mounting issues with the Eco diesel tripled with the upcoming release of the 3.0L twin turbo hurricane gas engine made it an easy decision to put the engine in the ground.
over its 8 year span there were many issues but some people did seem to like them and I personally tried one out and tested it's fuel economy. they were without a doubt very efficient.
lastly I think the modern diesel engine is starting to show it's weakness because of the increase emission system complicity and break downs. it will be interesting to see what happens to other diesel engines as time goes on!
I hope you guys liked the video!
00:00 - Intro
01:29 - EcoDiesel History
02:33 - Advantages of the EcoDiesel Vs HEMI
03:52 - Emission Issues with EcoDiesel
06:21 - Ford F150 PowerStroke Gets Cancelled
07:13 - GM/Chevy 3.0L Duramax Diesel Engine
07:44 - Are Modern Diesel Engines Still Worth It ?
09:36 - 3.0L Twin Turbo Hurricane Engine

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@pattycatlover Жыл бұрын

EGODIESEL

@TheGettyAdventures Жыл бұрын

lmao!

@chrisholifield8571 Жыл бұрын

Well... I'm deleted averaging 25mpg in a 1/2 ton 4x4 crew cab. I'd rather have that than a 14mpg f150

@Client9 Жыл бұрын

Didn’t fail epa killed it get it right

@seanthe100 Жыл бұрын

@@chrisholifield8571 the power boost f150 gets 25 mpg in the city and highway with 430 hp and 570 pd ft tq

@LaurentiusTriarius Жыл бұрын

I had a general contractor do work at my apartments complex, he was the proud owner of a egodiesel it was white with more chrome strips and yellow reflectors than you can find at your local part store liquidation bin, he always complaining about "how diesel wasn't as cheap as it used the be in the good ol days" So much cringe, I laughed when he totalled it by driving straight into a pond. (In fact he scraped a masonry wall then got mad and blasted his way through bushes into a pond, I'm sad I wasn't there.)

@Agislife1960 Жыл бұрын

The EPA and environmental concerns have stifled diesel engines in everything.

@TheGettyAdventures Жыл бұрын

that's the real truth. diesel is dead

@bluesky-ud9wg Жыл бұрын

It has been their plan for 35+ years to destroy the Diesel.

@brianhilligoss Жыл бұрын

Oh no they are trying to protect the environment we live in.

@victorbernier4765 Жыл бұрын

@@TheGettyAdventures no it’s not

@victorbernier4765 Жыл бұрын

@@TheGettyAdventures no it’s not

@eternalmercenary463 Жыл бұрын

You're wrong about a few things and right about a few. The ecodiesel was not originally a marine engine, it was an engine designed by an Italian company known for their marine diesel engines and that companywas owned by Fiat. The same engine ran reliably all over the world for a decade, and was destined for use in the European Cadillac CTS, but Fiat bought Chrysler in 2014 and the rest is history. I've worked as a contractor all over the world and every auto manufacturer makes a lite duty SUV and Pick up with a diesel and they are great, but cannot be sold in the US. What your right about is, the engine never ran with a complicated emissions system, and that is what created so many failures. But the real problem is the governments war on diesel, Fiat will continue to put the ecodiesel in vehicles outside of uptight western countries where it will run reliably again.

@TheGettyAdventures Жыл бұрын

Fair enough! Thanks for the info. But one thing is forsure the emissions on modern diesel are killing them.

@hollywinsman9464 Жыл бұрын

Doesn't European diesel have a much higher cetane rating than American diesel? Some of our, American groups have not been good to diesel fuel. Maybe in preparation for the green new deal?

@LucasLeCompteMusic Жыл бұрын

@@hollywinsman9464 Correct. Obama lowered the sulfur in US diesel.

@hollywinsman9464 Жыл бұрын

@@LucasLeCompteMusic Well, I propose that come this January maybe February at the latest, all diesel owners come forth and let Congress and Trump know the importance of cetane and lubricity. I would love to see the levels back up as near to 8,9,10 as possible. The incoming US Congress will be much more willing to listen than the current one.

@williewonka1970 8 ай бұрын

Cummins had a great diesel also until the tree huggers demanded emissions systems on all diesel engines

@nicktsatsaronis173 Жыл бұрын

I have a Grand Cherokee with the same engine here in Australia. You are quite right about the type of usage having a great effect on longevity. I use mine mainly for highway work and towing a 3500 KG trailer. I also change the oil every 10000 KM. It has been absolutely fantastic choice for me as it has given me 220000 KM in 9 years of trouble free ownership.

@TheGettyAdventures Жыл бұрын

good to hear! getting those engines nice and hot extends the life of them significantly!

@thepavementendsnow1901 Жыл бұрын

Two friends are getting rid of their eco diesel Jeeps, as they both have overheating issues in Canadian summers @@TheGettyAdventures, they are always going into limp mode when climbing on the highway….then there are the filter issues! lol

@93jummy Жыл бұрын

@@thepavementendsnow1901 check radiator expansion cap. 48°c days in Australia , started to get hot ( not boiling ) when pushed hard or towing , replaced the cap and it was fine ever since

@thepavementendsnow1901 Жыл бұрын

Maybe @@93jummy , but I’m not going to trust a boat motor which wasn’t designed to have emission controls, not in my very expensive ride! lol

@EldarMusa Жыл бұрын

So true . Same car here only in Canada 😅. Best car Bro, even better in winter. 🎉

@christiansjolander86 Жыл бұрын

In my experience with the EcoDiesel, as long as you use it for longer drives to let the engine get up to temperature, you will see less failures. Lost count on the number of DPF fails and people claim it's because people dont drive long enough so the filters clogg up.

@TheGettyAdventures Жыл бұрын

Ya pretty much! a cold engine produces a lot of soot, Secondly a cold aftertreatment system can't burn off any soot. so it is a compounding factor which is why people have DPF issues. overtime DPF's will need to be replaced but running them hot will dramatically increase lifespan!

@seanwieland9763 Жыл бұрын

Diesel engines are the most reliable design, easily lasting over a million miles, until these EPA regulations start ruining them.

@seanthe100 Жыл бұрын

@@seanwieland9763 in city driving conditions?

@fm2dmax Жыл бұрын

So you're admitting it's a crap design? I've ALWAYS driven off the INSTANT its running and never had a problem... with better built engines.

@seanwieland9763 Жыл бұрын

@@fm2dmax DPF delete, EGR delete, DEF delete, and then maybe it’ll be reliable.

@hahaadventures4838 Жыл бұрын

3.0 Duramax here, and zero issues in 100k miles! Not 1 problem! Had a Ram and issue after issue! Moved on……This 3.0 Dmax tows better than my 6.4 Hemi Ram and gets 14mpgs towing. Diesel power still is the best way to go!

@codered9576 Жыл бұрын

Agreed 👍 100k with no issues, that's good to know cuz I have the 3.0 duramax and love it. Only 8k but hear nothing but good about it. Also It being an inline six is just an overall better design for diesel.

@fightthelies4349 Жыл бұрын

We towed a 4runner on a flatbed with my buddies ram 1500 with the 3.0 eco diesel. He got 28 mpg from aspen to woodland park at 8000'. He loves that truck and has had zero problems with it.

@ktpinnacle Жыл бұрын

If I could get a Duramax in a Yukon AT4, I'd be driving one already. Won't fit! But I've heard nothing but good things, as long as you plan ahead for the timing belt repair years in the future.

@hahaadventures4838 Жыл бұрын

@@ktpinnacle it’s a timing chain not belt. The oil pump is a belt and has now been upgraded to 200k miles for changeout intervals.

@ktpinnacle Жыл бұрын

@@hahaadventures4838 Absolutely and thx. I knew that - mixed up the parts. That LZ0 supposedly has several upgrades. I never saw that belt as a deal breaker, but many did.

@KurtLytle Жыл бұрын

Love my 3L Duramax Silverado. High 40 MPG, 33 Hwy Average and 26.7 MPG Avg since purchase. 45,000 miles so far on the 2020.

@kadebanks407 Жыл бұрын

I've got 296,000 miles on my 2016 Ecodiesel. Turbo went out at 275k, and some strange electrical problems that started appearing after the turbo swap, like misfires on one of the cylinders due to a bad wire, bad speed sensor readings etc, ( I think the shop pinched the harness somewhere when they pulled the cab) have been the only major issues it has had. It was also fully deleted at about 40k miles.

@jlo13800 Жыл бұрын

The ecodiesel is a 2 stroke mabey thats why they stopped it.

@petervenskus4706 Жыл бұрын

"fully deleted" in the US is a federal offense. The EPA is absolutely busting out owners of deleted trucks. All it takes is one employee or service provider to report you to the authorities, and the owner will be in trouble real quick. It's happening all the time. Deleting a diesel to make it reliable is a huge gamble now. I currently own a 21 ram with the 6.7 cummins. If I didn't tow long distances and take long trips, I would have a gasoline engine. You have to run a modern diesel hard to keep the exhaust system clean. I had an 18 Chevy prior to my Ram, and the Duramax is the same way. Run it hard so the exhaust system can clean itself, you'll be fine. If you can't, don't get a diesel.

@jlo13800 Жыл бұрын

@@petervenskus4706 I premix a quart for every fill up as it is the older 2 stroke diesel in my pickup, boy i get some odd stares.

@aaronadams01 Жыл бұрын

I have a 2016 Ram 1500 with the ecodiesel. I have about 112K miles on it and drive it everyday as a commuter, but also pull my 40' 5th wheel, which weighs about 9K pounds around during the summer. I have had more issues with the truck itself than I have had with the engine. I do drive plenty long enough for it to heat up completely, so that might help as well. I think the thing that really killed it is the price point. I think most people would rather buy a 3/4 ton over a 1/2 ton given the small difference in price point, in short, I think the 1500 is over priced when compared to the 3/4 ton price point.

@CountryKidProductions Жыл бұрын

I think they should just go ahead and throw an 8.3 Cummins in a truck by now, followed by an Allison transmission if that would be possible 🥴

@TheGettyAdventures Жыл бұрын

the difference between the 6.7 and 8.3 is really not that much. BUT the 6.7 is already the heaviest diesel engine in the segment and the 8.3 would be like a boat anchor in the front of these trucks.

@CountryKidProductions Жыл бұрын

@@TheGettyAdventures but you could say that you have an 8.3 in it 😂 and thats just awesome

@rich7447 Жыл бұрын

@@CountryKidProductions Why stop at the 8.3? It weighs 1630 lbs dry so you are pretty close to X-12 (2050 lbs) and the 11.9 makes a lot more power.

@mikepoker2108 Жыл бұрын

The 6.7 barely fits

@rich7447 Жыл бұрын

@@mikepoker2108 If that's not bad enough try fitting a transmission that will handle the torque.

@jasonmoore4372 Жыл бұрын

I had a 2014 Eco since 2015. Fully deleted 2016 and no issues whatsoever. Recently sold it and bought the 2022 Eco, due to them being discontinued. Love this powerplant. But yes it needs to be deleted. Super efficient.

@mcplutt Жыл бұрын

This engine wasn't originally designed for a marine purpose. That came later. This engine was originally developed for General Motors, for eventual use in European Cadillacs, but GM never used it. It then appeared in the 2011 Jeep Grand Cherokee and some other car models.

@farva75089 Жыл бұрын

Truth!

@hifivaliant8937 Жыл бұрын

Yep

@ScottysDetailing Жыл бұрын

Love your info that you share. keep on doing what you’re doing you make great videos for people who are converting from gas to diesel.

@JoshuaEatonCA Жыл бұрын

I have always had diesel vehicles. I love both diesel trucks and cars and suvs. We live in a remote area on top of the mountain and we have to commute up and down the mountain all the time and believe me, having that nice turbo on there and that extra torque is definitely amazing when you are coming up over the mountain compared to that of a gas powered car. Unfortunately our previous diesel vehicle had a problem and after 3 weeks of ownership it got returned to the dealership because it was just simply a lemon. It had broken down several times in the 3 weeks that we owned it and we were able to get a full refund. The problem with owning a diesel now is that the price of diesel has skyrocketed to levels that I haven't seen ever. We're not running into potential diesel shortages like in the United States but the local farmers are basically paying more now for diesel to harvest their crops than what they ever have. In the past 2 years, the price of diesel where I live has increased by over 300%. While I still wish that I had a diesel, I'm glad I don't because having the cost of my fuel increased by that much makes it unaffordable to drive. I have friends who own construction companies and Farms or are Tradesmen For Hire that rely on diesel powered vehicles and right now, because of that 300% increase in the price of diesel it's making it unaffordable for them to do business

@davidjackman1743 Жыл бұрын

@jwhite6412 Жыл бұрын

I have a 2016 ecodiesel, just now turn 88879 miles on it. I have had no problems except from recalls and the mechanics not knowing how to fix them. Once they so call fix one and they burnt up my wiring harness. They had to get a guy from Detroit to come down and show them how to do the recall right. If anything goes wrong with these engines they will shut down and you will only go about 15 mph. Now I have another recall due and they don't have the part, still. Been months. When I first bought it, I got about 26 mpg, now about 22 after these recalls. If I go across country it will go back to 24-26 mpg. I drive 20 miles each way back/forth to work each day. I have driven cross country 5 times since I had it. Not scare to go again cross country. Never had a problem out of the motor. I keep the maintenance up to date. I do hate buying this def crap. California started this mess. Now they going all electric. They ought to a recall and delete this mess off these vehicles. My opinion. All these electric vehicles gona come back and bite these purchasers in the tail. I like my ecodiesel. My battery is 7 years old and going strong. Came with the truck. My truck is ram 2016 Laramie Longhorn, 4x4, loaded out with leather seats, heated/cool seats, heated steering wheel. Sunroof. 4 doors. Very comfortable.

@harysuper Жыл бұрын

My brother got one. He wanted a ram and I encouraged him to get the eco diesel. He loves it. The problem for us was no dealers had them.

@TheGettyAdventures Жыл бұрын

I feel like most dealer have no inventory lol

@rickcharles1561 Жыл бұрын

I think the major problem with diesel engines is that most consumers don’t understand how the need to be driven and the importance of proper maintenance. We have a fleet of around 20 diesel pickups and have very few engine problems that I attribute to education of our drivers as to proper driving and our maintenance program. I have a couple of friends with v6 diesel pickups and they love them, however they drive and maintain them properly . In our business we see a lot of the 6 and 8 cylinder diesel truck come through our facility that have major engine problems or are toast due to mouse and/or poor maintenance. The general population just doesn’t understand diesel engines. I said for years that manufacturers would do themselves a great service if they educated customers about diesel engines prior to selling to them. Perhaps then many that simply do not need a diesel would opt for a gas powered truck. As an example, my brother bought an 80 something diesel Olds Cutlass and put over 300,000 miles on it with minimal repairs. I think maybe once he put injectors unit and an injector pump. He understood how to drive and maintain it properly.

@DavidMosby Жыл бұрын

I have had several turbodiesel engines including the ecodiesel. I would NEVER have a gas turbo car or truck.

@randy4163 Жыл бұрын

The US and Canada has always had an issue with diesels in general where they are applied to general transportation and not heavy trucks and machinery. Throughout the world, most countries are predominately diesel. Never have understood that. As a certified Naval Diesel Inspector, I loved the idea of small diesel in 1/2 ton pickup. I do have a 2017 Ram Eco-diesel and I love it. When I do take it to work, my commute is over 50 minutes so plenty of warmup and drive time. I have not experienced any issues with the engine to this point, 70K miles. It is a shame they are going to discontinue the engine. However, I also think it has something to do the forcing of some states to go electric and going away from fossil fuels. The US government has already hailed California as the model to follow and being in Oregon is just as bad as Cal. Thanks for your insight!!

@farva75089 Жыл бұрын

Appreciate the service sir!

@ICEMANINVADER Жыл бұрын

So my question to you is, in a wrangler or smaller vehicle than a ram, would you recommend? I have a 22 cummins but my fiancé was considering 23 wrangler for the diesel. Would the def system need to be pulled? My Cummins is fine, I use additives and drive 40min each way to work so it doesn’t clog up. She drives 10min to work, would that lack of time for regen be an issue? As a truck driver I’m pretty well versed in reg maintenance and how to drive diesels.

@terranceharr1564 Жыл бұрын

I think your best point is that of the driving style of the folks buying it. I have a 16 ecodiesel with 140K miles on it. I have had no problems worth mentioning and it still looks, drives and rides like new. But I drive almost 40 mostly highway miles one way to work everday and make a lot of trips between VA and PA. The only time I got a regen message was during the lockdowns. I wasn't driving to work and I was making more short trips to the store and such. I think there is still a place for a 1500 diesel but it should be marketed properly. Diesels are no longer advantageous to people who make mostly short trips. I'll be keeping mine and would buy another. Fuel prices go up and they go down so I'm not too concerned about that. Good video. Thanks.

@MattSmith-vl8zp Жыл бұрын

I own a 2017 ecodiesel, I agree people werent driving them like they should and also werent treating the truck like what it is...a DIESEL! People that have never bought or used a diesel engine treated this truck like a gasser. No warm up and heavy throttle.

@harthart7529 Жыл бұрын

Just wait, I’m at 200k on my eco diesel and it’s falling apart overnight.

@MattSmith-vl8zp Жыл бұрын

@@harthart7529 200,000 miles on any truck is a lot of miles

@ufuktureli3854 Жыл бұрын

@@MattSmith-vl8zp İÜ

@MattSmith-vl8zp Жыл бұрын

@Johnny White would you buy a vehicle with 200,000 miles or more on it?

@posjoey Жыл бұрын

My 3rd gen ED has been absolutely great. I make about 3 trips to California a year. 1500 mile round trip and it gets 33 mpg. Which is awesome. That being said, I’ll more than likely trade it in for the hurricane.

@Doingdadthings Жыл бұрын

We have a 2020 ecodiesel in our Jeep Wrangler that my wife drives. It has been driven only 20K miles, to soccer practice, the mall, under 20 miles at a time. Currently it's in the shop for a valve cover leak, which we had a similar low oil pressure issue last year but the remedy was different. Considering trading her in on a gasser..

@jacobpicard25 11 ай бұрын

I’m debating on purchasing a diesel simply for the long lasting miles. I drive 120 miles round trip Mon through Fri for work and feel this truck would be perfect.

@derekmortensen1665 3 ай бұрын

I’m with you man. Did you end up getting the truck?

@milosusa Жыл бұрын

I am sad they will stop make them .I had 2016 and now own 2020 both Ecodiesel . Really like the engine and never had one problems with them.

@TheGettyAdventures Жыл бұрын

that's awesome sir! happy you've had good luck with your trucks!

@erikkovacs3097 Жыл бұрын

GM's 3.0 Duramax now puts out 305hp.

@jeffstump7601 Жыл бұрын

2018 ram ecodiesel here with 90k miles on it. The only issue I’ve ever had with it is the front driver side window actuator breaking. I still average about 32/27 mpg.

@TheGettyAdventures Жыл бұрын

you do have to love that fuel mileage!

@shiningstaer Жыл бұрын

I never get above 22.4. I think my turbo is bad. I hear a lot of The of pfapfapfa and a high high pitched cricket sound. Can someone please respond if they agree

@fixedG Жыл бұрын

I think beyond design issues, it also suffered from an identity crisis or a perception problem and you touch briefly on this saying it might not be best implemented in a truck. Because it's in a truck, we have a certain set of expectations for what it should be able to do. We expect higher torque, towing capacity, all of the things we've grown accustomed to with larger, more traditional diesel engines. But that's not really a niche it could ever fill. It's not like a 6BT but smaller. Or even a 4BT but more refined. It's more like a VW passenger car TDI engine, but bigger. It's smooth, quiet and efficient just like we expected those smaller diesels to be and really leans into those benefits but the performance needed to get to the towing and torque expectations, while also hamstrung by the emissions stuff, was just too much of a reach.

@sprinterfix Жыл бұрын

Finally a gear head who knows what he is talking about. if you see a 3.0 liter anything here in USA I guarantee it came from Europe

@dznutz50123 Жыл бұрын

Ram should of opted to put the 5L Cummins in the 1500 instead of the ecodeisel

@TheGettyAdventures Жыл бұрын

I'm honestly not sure what happened with the 5L I know Nissan also discontinued it because of horrible sales numbers but it would of been a rocket ship of an engine in a ram 1500 that's for sure!

@TheMacronical Жыл бұрын

@@TheGettyAdventures From what I've heard & seen, that engine wasn't very reliable. Looks like the modern emissions systems (much like the RAM ecodiesel) didn't mix with the engine design generally. But man, they were able to get the Titan into the 5/8 ton category (exempt from many emissions standards) & 25 mpg on the highway empty would be INSANE for a half-ton

@jassemalzahrani4502 Жыл бұрын

I dont think ram had a say in the motor

@republicansthatdidntvotefo1605 Жыл бұрын

Maybe the 400+ horsepower and 550'+ pounds of torque Would break things on a standard 1500 truck??.. I do know the Dodge Challenger hell cat Has a beefier transmission than the Standard 1500 ram..Cost too much to build A standard truck??

@republicansthatdidntvotefo1605 Жыл бұрын

I have a 2015 Eco diesel in a Laramie 4 × 4 .. inand.. RAM they changed the oil recommendations.. That made me 🤔. so I started changing the oil every 5,000/6000 miles instead of the recommended 10,000 miles, At 10000 miles this oil was completely filthy!!.. Knock on wood the truck has a 135000 miles on it now, And I really love this engine, It does not burn any oil And it seems to get 25 miles to gallon highway or city? I don't add a drop to it until the next oil change,.but It is expensive to keep up though, 2 1/2 gallons of synthetic rotella T6, And filter. In a 3 L engine. You just keep pouring the oil in😅.. I think people were trying to hot rod these 3L engines and taking them past the 10,000 oil change? No weird knocking.., But it is a little louder than when it was new.

@davidshay4773 Жыл бұрын

The hurricane engine is the only new turbo 6 cylinder that I can think of that’s in-line and I think that’s a big plus .

@TheGettyAdventures Жыл бұрын

It should be a cool engine. I think the torque will surprise people.

@terrytuepah171 Жыл бұрын

@@TheGettyAdventures 510 hp so right there that’s looking good especially if the fuel economy goes up

@j.r.2585 Жыл бұрын

It's going to be a shit motor like everything they produce

@nicktozie6685 Жыл бұрын

There's actually a bunch of new i6 engines,they're trending

@j.r.2585 Жыл бұрын

The big plug is that crappy oil pump belt? That sounds expensive to change not to mention you might need oil . How stupid is that design? I bet it breaks the minute your warrenty is up and your on the freeway yep nothing like losing your main bearings

@dojevaz314 3 ай бұрын

Hi I have 2015 Ram eco diesel and after I replace the turbocharger i have a warning with service throttle control, my truck has the Deleted state 2 from SKT And when service throttle control signals come out it is not code in the ECM But when i reset the ECM all working fine after 20 or 30 miles it is back Any idea will be help me with this issue.

@chrisholifield8571 Жыл бұрын

The CEO of Ram said they were getting rid of it to pursue EV pickups.... bad decision right now

@TheGettyAdventures Жыл бұрын

real tough right now lol and I meant I can't see the 2024 EV ram being under 50k. probably much closer to 100k. how can the average person actually afford that.

@phileasler5401 Жыл бұрын

Doubt that….

@resistthesystem6145 Жыл бұрын

I believe most of the EV garbage is Political Theater. Our infrastructure will not handle complete electrification of commercial and noncommercial vehicles. To charge a class 8 vehicle quickly, you’ll need a megawatt charger, which is essentially the power draw of a Walmart Super Center. Unless the rich and powerful want to go extinct, EV vehicles are simply not the answer! Emission systems are the killer of all internal combustion engines period; however, hydrogen technology will kill emissions systems, especially if they can find a way produce clean hydrogen much more efficiently.

@ontogeny6474 Жыл бұрын

Look forward to your review of the 3.0 Duramax. That's my truck engine and so far it's been great. (knock on wood 😅)

@wafflehousechevy Жыл бұрын

Had 2014 Ram Ecodiesel, first engine went 22k miles and started chirping like a bearing was going out. Engine was replaced by Ram in 2018, 2nd engine went 21k and spun #5 connecting rod bearing. The truck was deleted at 7k miles, so no emissions and a straight pipe from 7k on... and still took out 2 engines. It's not the emissions, it's a lack of oil clearance.

@TheGettyAdventures Жыл бұрын

that's rough lol good to know that even with your emission deleted the engine still blew a rod out

@jimkillen1065 Жыл бұрын

I saw one torn down on utube. It has a bearing failure. After watching the video I took that engine off my list permanently.

@kwmiked Жыл бұрын

Sounds like Opperator error. Sounds like u drove it around town like a gas engine should be driven

@jassemalzahrani4502 Жыл бұрын

I love my ecodiesel but yeah your right it's got its problems but I can work on it myself so it's great for me

@martinbrousseau2560 Жыл бұрын

Gale Banks of Banks Power has had a 3L diesels in pickups over 10 years while squashing California Emissions.

@williamphelan8779 3 ай бұрын

Surprised he stays in California.

@martinbrousseau2560 3 ай бұрын

@@williamphelan8779 all his diesels best emissions standards by adding compressed, cooled, n moist air…

@thecaptain3773 Жыл бұрын

Emissions killed it, and emissions are bringing back the simple diesels especially in older trucks and equipment. I've seen a 80 year old Oliver tilling the lands in the Central Valley of California, in 2022. The owner said he couldn't afford a new Johnny Deere, as the tier 4 final garbage raised the price too much, and the Oliver was still running.

@johnclamshellsp1969 Жыл бұрын

>> A major part of crude oil is that folks only see the price per barrel. 90% of the crude oil moved in the USA is done by railroad. The railroads charge almost one million dollars per train from point A to point B. The returning empty train to be reloaded costs the shipper five hundred thousand dollars. This does not include the fuel cost of about 23000 gallons of diesel burned off for one delivery, from the Canadian border to Texas refineries. The bottom line is, every barrel of crude now costs $33 more plus the market price. If we had the pipeline President Trump had started, the cost per barrel moved is .33$. Yes, thirty-three cents per barrel. I work for a class one railroad here in Chicago.

@unkn0wn8510 4 ай бұрын

Hey I am about to buy a echo diesel 3.0 ram 1500 2018. It has a DEF delete. Ist it worth the purchase?

@JHuffPhoto Жыл бұрын

Main reason I did not go with the eco diesel in my 22 RAM is for the reasons you stated. My driving habits are not condusive to the needs of a modern diesel engine. Also the maintenance costs can be much higher due to all of the emission equipment. Cost of diesel fuel is another consideration along with the initial purchase cost. It just didn't make any sense for me. I hear people complaining about the fuel mileage with the 5.7 HEMI but I have actually averaged around 18mpg over 10k miles of mixed city hwy driving with a little bit of towing my 6Klb boat. If I am gentle I can easily get over 21mpg on the hwy. It is much more fuel efficient than the 09 RAM I had and is pretty close to the F150 I had with the 2.7 eco boost. I also had an F150 with a 3.5 eco boost and it actually got about the same fuel mileage as the RAM until you went into BOOST mode then it drank fuel like crazy. Personally I like simple for my truck whenever possible. If I were buying an HD truck I would likely go with the gas engine unless I needed the extra towing capacity or if I was gonna use it for "hot-shot" duty. Ford is probably right because I have seen very few of the F150 Powerstrokes on the road around here and we are pretty flush with pickup trucks.

@TheGettyAdventures Жыл бұрын

Awesome info John! seems like you've driven a fair number of truck! I was always amazed how efficient the 5.7 hemi was!

@fightthelies4349 Жыл бұрын

The 3.0 gets 30

@JHuffPhoto Жыл бұрын

@@fightthelies4349 yes but the added cost of diesel fuel plus the higher maintenance costs offset a lot of that higher efficiency. Also for me personally I don't drive enough long distance for it to make sense. I love diesel powerplants when they make sense. For my use case it is not the proper tool.

@fightthelies4349 Жыл бұрын

@@JHuffPhoto yeah he got it back when diesel was the same or less than gas. I did a 3.4 swap in my second gen 4runner and get 18 on the highway and I'd swear we pay about the same per Mile because of the ridiculous price of gas. The 3.0 that was in there I was lucky to get 10mpg it was awful. And slow.

@adrenalinowner7992 6 ай бұрын

As a truck driver whom runs the current Emission systems we have I can say one of the biggest reasons why I see break downs in the SCR system is heat related problems… it is amazing how much a diesel engine heater can reduce some of these problems…

@erikkovacs3097 Жыл бұрын

Diesel prices are usually temporary. Refiners have so called upgraders that can make more heavy distillates from lighter distillates. It just takes awhile.

@FATSIDEDOWN 8 ай бұрын

Got one with almost 450k miles.. NO major issues at all

@davidlaughlin5606 4 ай бұрын

This is one of the best I've seen you've got great mechanical skills

@kenmclaughlin5211 2 ай бұрын

I had a 2018 Eco Diesel. It spun a rod bearing at 88,000 miles. I really loved that pickup.Thank goodness I had an extended warranty but with the waiting 4 to 6 months for a new month definitely made my decision to trade for a 2024 Ram 1500 with a Hemi motor.

@ExaltedDuck Жыл бұрын

Earlier versions had some major quality problems and 3 liters is a bit small for the application. Also the "Inflation Control Act" was mostly remnants of the "Green New Deal" and is 'encouraging' migration to electric.

@1987FX16 Жыл бұрын

"Encourage" lmao I love how a 1000 ft 250ton ship can roll coal across the oceans every single day using a barrel every minute. And ship dismantlers burning EVERYTHING, and pouring out toxic fluids. BUT WE IN THE USA ARE THE PROBLEM....

@deanmeyer1815 Жыл бұрын

The problem I have seen , over the years, is that people want to drive them like a gas engine. Then, stack all the emissions garbage on top of it, and it just doesn’t work in that market.

@mackneal3246 Жыл бұрын

What are your thoughts on taking the ram 1500 eco diesel and swapping it with the Cummins 3.8L ISF?

@RickheadWashington Жыл бұрын

Strip the emissions if you don't live where they don't do the checks and they are great pickups. This was the first small diesel in a half ton pickup. Was a great idea. They could have done better. But I love my 2015.

@asherdie Жыл бұрын

It was not the first.

@zayoutlaw Жыл бұрын

@@asherdie It was the first true diesel engine in a half ton truck. The 1978 Chev-GMC half tons had an Oldsmobile 350 engine converted to run on diesel fuel. They were one of the worst engines ever.

@asherdie Жыл бұрын

@@zayoutlaw you're forgetting the 6.2 that came in half tons.

@asherdie Жыл бұрын

@@zayoutlaw and the Ram 50 had up to an 2000 pound payload with a diesel, small truck but definitely "1/2 ton" rated. And if my memory serves I believe international had a diesel half ton. Dodge had a Mitsubishi option also.

@overlandski7795 8 ай бұрын

From what I understand the GEN three diesel was completely redesigned and all you talked about was basically the first generation I don’t think the new eco-diesel has too many things in common with the first generation. I know a couple guys in on them and they are happy. No, I’m a truck driver and I love diesel engines but I ended up buying a hemi because again like you said the price of diesel versus price of gas makes the diesel motor completely useless

@Good-luck-Jonathan 7 ай бұрын

I would not say completely useless. Compared to the super unleaded price because modern engines full timing if you don’t use it and that loses a little bit of MPG. Also consider the towing capability is much more efficient if you’re doing that with a diesel. The next thing is the range. Nothing beats a diesel in long range.

@KK-td2nd Жыл бұрын

As it stands where I live in Southeast Texas the cost of diesel is $1.65 more than regular unleaded. Running the numbers it cost more per mpg using diesel. When you factor in DEF, routine maintenance & higher repair costs for diesel it doesn't make sense to purchase a LD truck with a diesel. Back in the day when diesel cost less or even a little more than gasoline it was advantageous to buy a diesel. Until there's a complete reversal in diesel prices stay with an aspirated gas engine and NOT the turbo gas engine as those are having their own problems. If you really want a diesel it seems the GM 3.0 Duramax coupled with the 10 speed tranny is a good choice and has good reviews.

@jimkillen1065 Жыл бұрын

Yea I have a old second gen 12 valve it gets decent mileage, zero engine problems and I have a tdi jetta same deal . However even though both get better mileage the price offset make buying a half ton diesel.not attractive to me

@BlackSeaShipwreck Жыл бұрын

My brother inlaw bought a ford150 twin turbo, I bought the ram eco. 3.twin turbo gas vs 3.0 turbo diesel: I get 23+ mpg, he gets 17 mpg. If I go on a long trip without traffic I get 27+, he gets 18.2 max, I don't know if its deliberately programmed into the trucks or what but it don't make sense, how can a twin turbo 3.5 be about same as a 5.7 heni?

@glassduck985 Жыл бұрын

My 2014 I canceled all the emissions it works great 26 miles a gallon in the city 34 on the highway 24 miles a gallon when I’m towing 7000 pounds With 10 ply tires

@Kdawg101 2 ай бұрын

Would doing delete solve all or just some of the problems? I'd like to do everything I can to get to 300-400k miles

@stevehuber6499 10 күн бұрын

I have 2.0 cdti in my opel astra j 2013. I put over 100k on it and it runs great. My commute is 100 miles a day 5 days a week and no def fluid system. I have not had to touch the engine at all other than oil and filter changes. Oh and it can go 250 km/h an hour. ( needs a lot room on the autobahn) but I am very happy with her and hope to put at least 400k km/h on her before she gives up. Side note to get the best fuel economy for her on the autobahn keep her at 120 km/h and set cruise control. My mpg is 5.2 liters per 100 km. But I can get 4.9 if I really try. Small turbo diesels are great if used in the right application. And yes I do not use her as short drive commuter ie grocery store. Fuel economy goes into the toilet if I do that

@glenwaldrop8166 Жыл бұрын

Basically all of the problems with diesel engines are caused by government. Considering Europe uses tons of diesel engines and the EPA won't allow those engines over here I don't think the issue is diesel, it's the EPA.

@markodordevic3419 Жыл бұрын

Ecodiesel is one of the best diesel engines without emissions period. If you can't delete the emissions don't buy this truck. Transmission is also one of the best on the market 8 speed.

@vernlochtefeld1626 Жыл бұрын

It didn’t fail the 2020+ in the 5th gens is outstanding. What’s changed is Ram’s grand plan for the 1500 certainly in part due to our our out of control government. The Hemi & Pentastar will also go away. Instead of 3 engine choices based on your priorities you will only get a triplicate of choice of one engine in 3 versions. A single turbo 6 cylinder gas, the same plus a big battery & electric motor, and a twin turbo HO version. The bean counters win at least until the public decides whether this continues Ram market share gain on Ford & GM or whether don’t settle for this and Ram loses market share.

@shawnsparkman7916 Жыл бұрын

Kind of curious about the DT466 as an option.

@93jummy Жыл бұрын

I've got an first gen Eco diesel in a 2012 WK2 jeep ( US factory Export to Australia ) DPF but no DEF. 350,000kms 6100 hrs it's almost given up after being hydrolocked with bent rods. but in all honesty it was extremely efficient powerful, original injectors completely un opened. only 4x4 with a good towing capacity and efficiency on the market then. 0-100kph in 2.2 tonne in 8sec. Everything else on the market here is 4 cylinder. The 2.8 "duramax" made by same company as the eco diesel was the highest output you could get here.

@eltigrepeleador Жыл бұрын

Here in west Texas you have idiots with eco diesel truck trying to do the same thing a 3/4 ton does and they screw the truck up

@AndreS_-df2nw Жыл бұрын

Why not design a ~4L inline 6 in the same vein as the 6bt, except smaller. Change some materials to save a bunch of weight where it's feasible, without compromising reliability. But maybe I'm wrong....

@lancemiller9110 Жыл бұрын

What is your opinion on the Titan Cummins?

@MX-Mug Жыл бұрын

My 2019 Ecodiesel has just been diagnosed with a snapped crankshaft, has anyone else had this happen? My Jeep dealer has not seen one do this before.

@donovanallen 5 ай бұрын

I have a 2021 ecodiesel and I love it, overall. I presume it came with gen 3, but mine will alert me to needing to drive at high speeds while it burns out and lets me know when it is done. It has really been a beast when needed and great mileage when not. I am concerned about the longevity and more so now that it has been cancelled (just found about it with this video today ... ugh). I have a wide range of trucks of various sizes and engine, this has been my overall favorite.

@thetruechannellaverdad4986 Жыл бұрын

I'm going to buy a ram 1500 which engine u guys recommend Thank you

@derek04151 Жыл бұрын

I recently heard from a GM dealer that the 4 cylinder Duramax diesel will not be available after this year.

@jonathantackett1901 Жыл бұрын

Just a quick? If you don’t mind I have a 2015 ram ecodiesel big horn package which for me has been flawless sure it’s been back to the dealership for all the recalls but as far as any mechanical issues I’ve had none am I driving a ticking time bomb should I get rid of it I love the truck

@tedlulis973 8 ай бұрын

The vast majority of these are trouble-free. Many have been known to go four or 500,000 mi already. They were one of Ward's 10 best engines 3 years in a row.

@kk2ak14 Жыл бұрын

I have one with italian engine and the fuel pump fail, still in dealer trying to fix after two months

@TheGettyAdventures Жыл бұрын

ya I've heard some good horror stories about waiting for parts. sorry to hear that

@justinbourgeois4685 Жыл бұрын

Cool video

@PaladinJSR Жыл бұрын

Is it discontinued for the Gladiator also?

@MrJohney Жыл бұрын

It sucks that they came out with the most fuel efficient full-size truck with the ecodiesel and then canceled in the same breath

@tonymast9237 Жыл бұрын

OMG! Just picked up my new pickup 2500 with cummins 6.7l diesel (11-16-2022). I bought it because I thought I could tow more and more powerful. I'm horrified that I made an $80K mistake after video and comments!

@ericgroenberg706 2 ай бұрын

Thank you so much for such a clear picture into this particular style engine. I was actually considering purchasing a used 2021 Jeep Wrangler that has the Eco diesel engine but with your clarification again on all of this as made this decision easier to not get one.unless you have a different insight that you wanna share?

@Ofna211 Жыл бұрын

Had the ecodiesel. Was an awesome puller especially with green diesel engineering additions. Was a bit boring around town. But video! 3 min of info scattered along 11 min.

@TheGettyAdventures Жыл бұрын

appreciate the info! the Eco diesel I drove did feel sluggish around town

@septimustyrannis321 Жыл бұрын

Can all the emissions crap be removed on this particular diesel engine so that I don’t have to use the DEF fluid and it would run better as you have stated?

@leadnsteel1428 Жыл бұрын

Main problem is because it was a Fix It Again Tony FIAT and it wasn't reliable. It should have been a straight 6.

@justinsane7128 Жыл бұрын

That's the truth, I've got a Mercedes E320 '05 that's the inline 6, that gets 45

@sharonfieber6458 Жыл бұрын

Kramer Tractor news, back 80's about diesel engine valve temp, burning off carbon. Mechanical fuel pump era! GM 5.7L, driving short distances and stopping. Same driving pattern, maybe the addition of Pro heat, Eberspach, etc to heat coolant to operating temp?

@dmandman9 Жыл бұрын

Ford is correct. I work at a Ford dealership. I don’t think we sold more than 2 or 3 during the time they made them. It didn’t really have any advantages over the gasoline engine. It didn’t even tow as much as the eco boost or 5.0 liter. No advantage

@warrenstemphly5756 Жыл бұрын

The Washington State Attorney General went after a diesel shop and fined them and the truck owner something close to $30k for deleting the emissions. The EPA and the local Clean Air Agencies (you probably have one!) are getting bold in going after vehicle modifications.

@pjfan173 8 ай бұрын

Marxists will do what Marxist do

@stevenpeterson7234 Жыл бұрын

At least they will still let you order an ecodiesel for 2023 tho!!

@senad54 Жыл бұрын

It didn't fail. The EPA killed it, along with every other diesel motor in the US.

@Xyronium Жыл бұрын

It's bummer because Ram truck are the only one who are semi-officially available in Europe. Taking diesel away kinda sucks.

@bigcountry8726 4 ай бұрын

Do you think it’s better or worse than the Ram v6 gas?

@ohmy7554 7 ай бұрын

I’m not very familiar with the engine itself but I am a diesel mechanic working on larger Cummins diesel in a transit fleet. If not for the emissions equipment diesel engines are equipped with I believe they would be great in a normal vehicle like a pickup but only if you are someone who does a lot of highway commuting. Stop and go city driving will definitely start clogging up the particulate filter with these

@DustinApple Жыл бұрын

as a owner why not jus delete the dpf?

@KylePayne99 Жыл бұрын

I bought one of these truck new in 2015. Only made it 6 years to 117k miles before it blew up. To fix it would have been more than the truck was worth, so i sold it for what I could get. Never buying a Ram product again.

@sstevocamaro Жыл бұрын

SHAME ON THE MESS!! It’s ridiculous how much diesel fuel is these days!!

@jaymason251 Жыл бұрын

The emissions requirements are killing the diesel engine, in my opinion.

@D00MerJohn 2 ай бұрын

So-Called modern emissions systems have single-handedly destroyed the diesel engine for passenger vehicles in light duty trucks, I can't believe that the little bit of extra emissions is not offset by a 10 plus MPG gain in fuel efficiency

@allcurrentwiz Жыл бұрын

I believe the Ford 3.0 TD, the Range Rover 3.0TD the Mercedes 3.0TD are the same engine. All have dropped their TD is US. Mercedes did because of diesel gate, VM Motori made these engines (owned by Stelantis) and I suspect why they all bailed at the same time. Not certain if it is tech based or when MB dropped it the volume dropped to much. This leaves the GM in the SUV and 1/2 tons. We'll see how long they hang on. I have 120k miles on my Rover with the ZF 8 speed. It is a tank of a drive train. Paying $2 more gallon sucks though, great torque and fuel mileage. WIsh it was still being made.

@nunyabidniz2868 Жыл бұрын

Had a friend hint that the FIAT diesel upon from which it is descended had a poor service history, something about the cams going out of time? Still don't understand why we're futzing around w/ all these antiquated designs when we all know that opposed-piston diesels are the way to go?

@BradLancaster86 Жыл бұрын

dont know how i could feel the canuck, then i saw it, the irving gas truck, hell yes!

@pbaker7160 Жыл бұрын

Diesels aren't practical for a passenger trucks used for daily use/commuting. Most people don't keep up on the maintenance (fuel filters, oil changes, etc). Also, the more emission crap you put on a diesel, the less reliable it becomes. Look at the early 12v Cummins...it's bullet proof! The reason is it's just an engine with an exhaust system. It doesn't have all of the particulate filter garbage or DEF fluid requirements. The EPA kills everything that's good and reliable.

@Good-luck-Jonathan 7 ай бұрын

Thank God for the third GEN eco-diesel. Incredible engine performance wise. Low pressure EGR system after DPF. Use the Mopar 5W - 40 oil and half a bottle of ZDDP from redline oil. After warranty switch to redline oil diesel. Change your oil and use a genuine filter every 4000 miles. Torque the filter to 18 foot pounds. Install a ram Derringer bundle from banks. Monitor the shoot with the banks Idash. If you educate yourself and learn, you’ll be fine for hundreds and hundreds of thousands miles. In the future, the value of these trucks, especially the gladiator eco-diesel will high. Thank God I got one before they’re all gone.

@leew3084 Жыл бұрын

I just traded my Sierra with that 3.0 diesel for the ecodiesel. What a huge difference. What I mean is the ecodiesel is slow as tar even with a banks pedal commander. I truly miss that off the line speed of the GM. The other huge difference is the transmission. The ram feels like a heavy duty truck transmission with more gears. It shifts hard and you feel every shift. The GM 10 speed was buttery smooth. Where the ecodiesel excels is in mpg. I get 24 mpg out of the ram on average and 27 on time highway. The GM got 20 on average and 27 highway. I have the 10th anniversary limited ram and the GM feels ancient when you compare the interior and features. The ecodiesel I have is the 5th Gen so it has some history and I feel it will last longer. My GM sad the first Gen and it spent 1 month in the shop in the first year. Bottom line id get another limited ecodiesel before I'd buy another GM diesel

@kitchensink7345 Жыл бұрын

My chev 3.0 is 29 hwy 23 town and it does better but that’s the average I’ve noticed in 30k

@bjbarns Жыл бұрын

+1 on the interior, S-class level interior, ride is top notch as well. I wouldn't complain if it was peppier off the line though.

@sdvten Жыл бұрын

That is the other big downside to the Ecodisel IMO, low horsepower compared to other half ton engines. Put a trailer on it and its even worse. And they had plenty of issues too. Ford didn't keep their F-150 diesel around too long either.

@robroy5729 Жыл бұрын

the general issue i mainly think of when it comes to diesel driven trucks today is emissions. years ago most of these engines were in equipment.......without emissions on them. dodge stuck the 5.9 in their line of trucks starting in 89' and it was said to be what saved their line of heavy duty trucks and it was an amazing option........without the emissions. a diesel engine like you put it is made for work, it made to tow a lot of weight, its made to get hot, and its made to last a long time.......without emissons. again the biggest issue today with diesel driven vehicles is emissions and the fact that people want to buy one to just put around and in a truck its not ideal. thats more for a VW. in my honest opinion, the diesel option shouldnt be available in anything less than a 3500 series truck. if you tow once in a blue moon buy a gas truck.

@robbamford4134 4 ай бұрын

What would you think of a new 2023 eco diesel in a jeep gladiator? The dealers are offering steep discounts (with warranties) In a lighter vehicle that isn’t doing heavy towing would you have decent reliability? The torque profile is really impressive for the segment.

@d3faulted2 Жыл бұрын

I think it really doesn't help that the added cost of getting the diesel and the added cost of the fuel, means that most people would never see a ROI over a gas.