RAM 2500 Cummins (6.7L) Diesel Engine VS 6.7L POWERSTROKE

RAM 2500 Cummins (6.7L) Diesel Engine VS 6.7L POWERSTROKE | Towing Challenge Part 2

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I review a 2022 RAM 2500 Cummins 6.7L Diesel Engine as a heavy duty mechanic and see how well this engine can tow a heavy trailer. we look at acceleration, fuel economy (mpg), engine braking, engine performance and engine design in comparison to a 2023 Ford F250 powerstroke to determine what is the Best Diesel engine for a pick up truck.
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I hope everyone is having a good long weekend! Today I am behind the wheel of this awesome powerful 6.7L Cummins Turbo Diesel Engine. and we are towing a heavy trailer behind this ram 2500 diesel.
So the first notable thing was the squat with the fully loaded up trailer. this truck squatted an extra inch over the F250 powerstroke which I think is probably associated with ram coil suspension set up.
one I got on the road, the cummins exhaust brake is absolutely amazing. it is pretty powerful and will stop the truck very well. when I was on the highway going down some steep hills the exhaust brake kept us at the perfect speed and is by far better then the Powerstrokes exhaust brake
in terms of acceleration, the Powerstroke was a much faster engine with a full load behind it. the Cummins did feel a little sluggish on the top end performance in comparison to the Powerstrokes top end power.
another very notible thing about the Cummins is the engine design. this engine is an inline 6 design which has a number of advantages. the first being the natural advantage of making torque extremely well and very low int he RPM band. this is amazing for towing.
fuel economy in the Cummins when towing was a little bit worse then the Powerstroke but with 14,000lbs behind the truck the Cummins was a pretty efficient engine.
But the weak point for the cummins in the RAM 2500 was the 68RFE tranmission. to me this is a little bit of a let down. this tranmission is not a very strong or good unit and only has 6 gears which greatly limits the versatility of this cummins engine when it comes to towing big hills like we did.
conversely the 6.7L powerstroke with it's 10 speed transmission is always in the torque band allowing the engine to perform very well at all speeds. the other notible thing is that the top gear for the ram 2500 is a pretty weak gear and has been known to burn up under loads.
I hope ram comes out with a better transmission in the future for this awesome cummins engine to really let it shine.
overall the low end torque coming out of this 6.7L Cummins diesel engine is amazing to see, this resulted in the truck almost never having to downshift on hills which was cool to see.
But I had to give this one to the powerstroke simply because of its ability to pull the loaded trailer up big hills better.

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@larry6347 Жыл бұрын

I pull my 7500 lb camper through the Colorado Rockies with my 2020 Ram 2500 diesel. Plenty of power and just love the engine brake. It takes all the stress out of the long steep descents. For the uphill, I simply pre-shift down (gear limiter) to 5th before the lugging. I’ve heard it is easier on the transmission as well. Thank you for the video. Cheers from Colorado.

@kevinkidney7923 Жыл бұрын

There's a name from the past :). Glad the Cummins is treating you well. We just got a new Ford 6.7 and are super happy with it in the Colorado mountains as well. Hope all is going well!

@larry6347 Жыл бұрын

Likewise. Doing well, thank you. What are you pulling with your ford?

@kevinkidney7923 Жыл бұрын

@@larry6347Also towing a 7500lb TT. The Ford has been awesome, although we've really only tackled one pass (Monarch) both ways. The truck rarely shifts out of 10th. On Monarch, it shifted down to 8th on the uphill side and down to 4th on the downhill side with the EB.

@MoraleHazard Жыл бұрын

Just want to say thank you very much for making your videos. I recently got a SO 2500 Ram and I watched every review you made of the big three. Learned a lot about the pros and cons of the various engines. I got the Ram because it was a confluence of engine, features, and price. I think all three HDs have their pros and cons.

@aaronkelley8909 Жыл бұрын

I still think there is a market spot for the Cummins (so). For someone who only tows or hauls part time but still wants to do it with a diesel. Or are only towing medium loads such as boats. The Cummins SO is a good motor to consider. They get good mileage and make respectable power. If your towing heavy equipment or equivalent. The Cummins HO would be a better choice but it will get 2-3 miles less per gallon. Even though Ford and Chevy are making more power. I still like the advantages Cummins has, especially in terms of simplicity. In the long run you have less injectors, less valve components, just easier to work on in some ways and less things to replace.

@froetheremix3890 Жыл бұрын

I have a 2021 Ram 2500 and have been pulling a 14-16k trailers works amazing. I’ve been traveling hwy40 across the states and have noticed a huge difference between GM, Ford and Ram. Ram trucks are noticeably pulling more trailers than either of the others. I have a had GM trucks for years but the Ram is a great truck pulling. Happy so far great vid

@MrJwh3000 Жыл бұрын

Dealerships sell them cheaper than GM and Ford. That's why you see more of them pulling down the interstate.

@rustyshackleford5704 Жыл бұрын

Depends where you are. Some area's you see more of one or the other. For the heavy loads I see Fords or Dodges and very few Chevys.

@billmerriwether6359 Жыл бұрын

You don't have to pull a cab off of a Dodge to work on it

@OmahaWayne Жыл бұрын

@@billmerriwether6359 No you pull the fuel cap off and push the rest of the fiat pos in the trash pile.

@spud2727 Жыл бұрын

@@billmerriwether6359because it ain't t worth fixing, go get a Ford or Chevy

@vinnie8495 8 ай бұрын

Good video. I have a 22 F350 tremor 6.7 powerstroke. Tows a 19k 5th wheel past 90k miles....not one problem. Great towing power!

@craigstrong2538 Жыл бұрын

Thanks for doing these truck test for us I live in Western Australia, I have 3rd gen 2500 Ram and looking at getting a new truck soon thanks again for all the info

@TheBostonstapler Жыл бұрын

I like the addition of 0-60 on screen time !

@Steadierpark Жыл бұрын

Not trying to win a race towing. The Cummins exhaust brake and reliability is unmatched.

@rustyshackleford5704 Жыл бұрын

Can't go wrong with a Cummins or Powerstroke. I own a Ford myself but the hard truth is they all will do what you need them too and long as you keep good maintenance on them, they should last a long time. Good fuel, good oil and change your fuel filters. No reason half a million KM without major work. Anything mechanical can fail and will eventually.

@horsetrader1991 Жыл бұрын

I think in my 3500 dually a 4:10 was an option, in fact my cousin claims to have this gear. I love the exhaust break. So impressed with that. Great video. You didn't mention the Aisin transmission, why? Plus automatic leveling in which I have. It's an option but I love that option.

@TheGettyAdventures Жыл бұрын

Aisin transmission is only available in the 3500 platform. but yes the 3500's can get 4.10 gears which is a nice upgrade.

@horsetrader1991 Жыл бұрын

Thanks, I didn't know that. I heard the Dodge transmission is a good one but the Aisin is a REALLY good 6 speed transmission. I would love to mate the 6.7 HO Dodge with an allison transmission.

@BrandonBigB956 Жыл бұрын

@@horsetrader1991 You can get up to 4.88 gears if you go with the 3500.

@DH-hp7nv Жыл бұрын

I like all three diesels, each have their pros/cons. I do prefer the ford truck over the ram. I drive the 17 f250, and love it.

@gebertg Жыл бұрын

I have a 2022 CCLB 4x4 SRW HO Aisin 3.73. I would be interested in you doing the exact same test, but with my configuration and compare the SO setup to the HO setup. My questions: 1) I agree that a 6 speed does have gearing limits, but does the increased HO torque eliminate them? 2) Does the Aisin and 68 have different gearing and if so does that hurt or help in any way? 3) Gas mileage comparison. 4) Diesel World magazine a couple issues back stated the Aisin is the best towing transmission. Do you agree?

@thomasvikoren3981 Жыл бұрын

You've mentioned it before but the long term reliability of the CP3 vs CP4.2 fuel pump deserves mention in this comparison.

@robertkestner1713 Жыл бұрын

If you put fuel additive in and change your filters the cp4 is reliable

@countcuda70 Жыл бұрын

@@robertkestner1713It's really not though. Watch the videos and talk with S&S. It's not a good injection pump

@HVTMuddvain Жыл бұрын

They changed back in 2021 just fyi that was only for the 2019-2020 then they realized the errors of their ways

@Talon1983 Жыл бұрын

@@HVTMuddvainthey changed the ford CP4? What did they change?

@countcuda70 Жыл бұрын

@@Talon1983 No, pretty sure they're talking about the Cummins. Ford still uses a CP4.2, Cummins used them for 2019-2020. 2021 Cummins went back to a CP3. Ram also has a recall. They're changing out the CP4 for the CP3. Ford cannot do that. CP3 doesn't fit in place of the CP4 on the Powerstroke

@manuelguzmanjr6622 Жыл бұрын

great video, thanks for sharing.

@parrott350 9 ай бұрын

I just let my 5.9 pull at its sweet spot 1750/1800. I think that is max torque RPM, pretty sure. It has a 48RE and if I have to slow down to let it drop to third and pull at it's favorite RPM, so be it. Thats why there is a truck lane. But I tell you. IT has to be one steep ass hill to pull that Cummins back to third gear ! Yeah I'll keep my Cummins. Cool videos Alex ! Liked and subscribed.

@ftbrip Жыл бұрын

Ram exhaust brake is off the chain 2021 3500 HO Aison owner 30 psi boost leaf spring truck 12 inch screen all leather Laramie. I have pulled 30,000 pounds and no drop up or down hills much in speed the only thing is the fuel milage as soon as you hook a trailer on it. I get 20 ish mpg normally but with a couple thousand pound trailer bamm 12 mpg. My Hemi Power wagon got 11Mpg going down hill. I do have to say the boost on the Ram is a little sketchy in the rain, it piles on like the nitrous on my 66 Chevelle super sport

@dickiehooton6186 11 ай бұрын

I have a 2022 Ram Cummins 2500 that we use to tow a 11000 5th wheel. I have a couple of questions. Should I tow in 5th gear or just let tow haul pick the gear? Also, when driving without the trailer driving a 60 mph does it hurt emission running at the lower RPMs?

@jean-louishamid5285 Жыл бұрын

Hi Alex, thanks for all your work, I think it would great if you could review the Nissan 5.6 VK engin that's in the Patrol/Armada, and Titan. It has comparable power to you PW but very different design.

@noahmercy-mann4323 Жыл бұрын

Personally, I will sacrifice some acceleration and speed on uphill grades for the confidence that routine maintenance will allow the engine to easily last over a half million miles. And I'm not convinced the higher speed capability is always a good thing...here in Wyoming, we're seeing a lot of Fords with trailers in the ditches because they think because they CAN pull a hill at 80, they SHOULD.

@TheGettyAdventures Жыл бұрын

Agreed for someone who is looking to own a truck for it's whole life towing performance is not the only factor to be considered. the cummins engine is by far the best engine in the segment

@d0uble_O 7 ай бұрын

ok but ford engines end up in dealers most of the time according to everyone here on YT because of fleet vehicle maintenance negligence. Nothing to do with the engine itself, but the operator/drivers carelesness. That said, dont forget about a decent transmission to pair with your half a million mile wishlist. I wont even mention looks..who cares about looks.

@d.williams6891 11 ай бұрын

Honestly I love the Powerstroke engines and I love my F250, but I will always be a fanboy of straight piped Cummins trucks! They have the best sounding exhaust brake I’ve ever heard, especially when paired with a 5” down-pipe back exhaust. 😁

@hardeepparhar 3 ай бұрын

I own one, and I love its performance. I have our brands in my family, and honestly, this truck never failed me.

@johncallahan3573 Жыл бұрын

Don't think the 2500 is necessarily the right home for the Cummins which is seriously heavy piece of compacted graphite iron (1000 lbs +) which puts the 2500's payload in the 1/2 ton range. Factor in tongue weight, gear, passengers etc and there's not too much left over- think the 3500 is the better choice for hauling/towing. I would disagree some about the Ford's transmission being the edge going uphill. It helped to be sure but the standard Power Stroke's 105 more horsepower and 200 lb/ft more torque didn't hurt either. I thought the SO Cummins acquitted itself pretty well- it's a rocket compared to the diesels I drove years ago- iirc the original Dodge Ram Cummins had 160hp and 400 lb/ft torque and Fords weren't much better. The SO Cummins wasn't the quickest but it got the job done and it did a much better job going down hill. The HO Ram doesn't make the biggest numbers either and its Aisin tranny has only six gears but there must be a reason most of the hotshot drivers I see are driving them.

@TheGettyAdventures Жыл бұрын

the 3500 HO cummins is a very very solid unit. and yes the powerstroke does have more power but I think the gearing also hurt the cummins. But I completely agree with you that the 2500 platform is a tuff place for a 1000lbs + engine.

@khakiswag Жыл бұрын

You see a lot of hot shot drivers with Rams because you can get them for less money than the Ford and they have plenty available at dealers. Ford is the opposite; they're in high demand and dealers know it. If you can find one for sale at a dealer they're not budging on the prices. Same for the GM trucks which are also in high demand.

@gebertg Жыл бұрын

@@khakiswagthey are all in high demand. I got my 2022 fast at 4.5 months. RAM had 2023 orders closed in March and pushed later orders to 2024 model year due to backlog. I also don't think RAM is the cheapest at all. Chevy's new low and finish is the cheapest by thousands compared to RAM.

@khakiswag Жыл бұрын

@@gebertg you’re right. I forgot that Chevy is now the cheapest truck you can buy.

@gebertg Жыл бұрын

@@khakiswag yep, and they've done a nice job churching it up. Honestly, I'd buy the new chevy over the GM just because a similar truck is less $.

@malifestro3319 Жыл бұрын

68 MPH is pretty dang good up hill with that weight! I normally keep speed at 65 or under. How come you didn't just drop the gear to 4th manually? There are other gears available, even if it didn't downshift automatically.

@Cooldibs Жыл бұрын

It’s a test of the trucks performance and programming.

@danvandenbrink4899 Жыл бұрын

I’ll say it again. I’ll take a six cylinder with 7 main bearings over any 8 cylinder with 5 main bearings.

@countcuda70 Жыл бұрын

It has to have more main bearings. The crank is longer. If not, some wouldn't have any support. A longer crank will flex more

@aaronkelley8909 Жыл бұрын

@@countcuda70 kind of true but not really. The V8 has no choice but to share caps and bearings because of the location of the cylinders and rods.

@countcuda70 Жыл бұрын

@@aaronkelley8909 How's what I said not accurate? You just repeated what I already said

@MrKnoNothing 9 ай бұрын

He is saying its way less wear per bearing set

@4wdaddict41 16 күн бұрын

Bottom end is good but you'll lift your head on a 75hp tune, stock it will overheat your number 6 cylinder, it will swallow its own grid heater bolt and self distruct and not to mention the transmission is made of cardboard

@khakiswag Жыл бұрын

Ford has done a great job with their 6.7 PSD. Ford has to get bonus points for engineering and manufacturing their own diesel engine and transmission. Like Apple, designing everything in house gives you an advantage. The engine and transmission were literally made to work together since it's all Ford. Unlike Ram who has to make a Cummins engine play nicely with a Aisin transmission using FCA software.

@treeamigo8447 9 ай бұрын

Cummins has more experience than any other diesel manufacturer in the world. Ram could build their own but they are smart enough to put their money in a company no auto manufacturer engineers can top.

@rochricher5304 6 ай бұрын

Just wondering where you are at in Canada, I’m from Quebec. Love your videos!

@anthonyrider9190 3 ай бұрын

Question for you, would the Cummins exhaust brake still be as effective with the 10 speed or would you lose some on the braking with more down shifts. I feel that’s a benefit to the 6 speed is longer gears to hold back longer. I have the 2014 3500 w/ aisin pulling a 11000 pound trailer and the aggressive exhaust is why I went with the Cummins.

@dalelangehennig161 3 ай бұрын

That PowerStroke is beast mode and much higher HP and torque, in addition to the transmission issue. So for raw HP/Torque and speed in pulling power, the PS and Duramax will win every time. That being said, I have my own reasons for the Ram. All these brands have their strong points and weak points. We are comparing awesome to awesome to awesome in this class in my opinion. Very good and informative video. Thank you! Love your perspective and style of reviewing.

@jos6216 10 ай бұрын

You do a great job!!! We run a small fleet and have had ford, cummings and dura that tow 25-32000 weight 5-6 days per week at 6-8000 miles per month each. 1. Ford was nothing but problems. Uncomfortable and cheaper interior. Manual Locking Hubs may be durable, but are from the 1970s. 2. Cummings had best torque but had issues in other areas. Rearends are crap. Major problems here!!! 3. Dura, Best driving and best drive train IMHO. Cummings and Dura best towing. Based on our fleet experience and IMHO!!

@pr4lviper Жыл бұрын

Make a full service video for the ram 2500 Cummins!!!

@TheGettyAdventures Жыл бұрын

we'll see about that!

@bigmountain7561 Жыл бұрын

And what truck do you own Alex? If I am owning a serious tow vehicle it will be a Cummins with the HO package and 4.10 gears. It’s not the swiftest but it’s reliable as the Sun coming up everyday.

@OmahaWayne Жыл бұрын

The very last thing a fiat/peugeot is , reliable. The engine might be, but that engine will be wrapped in a mexico built fiat POS with a toyota transmission.

@BigBadJohnDiesel Жыл бұрын

I would always stick with an inline 6 diesel. Regardless of performance, V8 diesels have more issues. With all that said, Ram has some catching up to do in the transmission department for sure! Ram also needs to truly upgrade their HD lineup.

@TheGettyAdventures Жыл бұрын

ya you can't beat an inline 6 diesel. by far the superiors engine design

@BigBadJohnDiesel Жыл бұрын

@@TheGettyAdventures yessir! I've never driven a semi that didn't have an inline 6 diesel engine, under the hood.

@countcuda70 Жыл бұрын

@@BigBadJohnDiesel You're missing out. 3408 Cat is a monster

@BrandonBigB956 Жыл бұрын

Both of the engines tested here really come alive when you add a tune and lose some of that factory junk. Not that difficult to get either of these trucks up close to 600hp.

@kyle8380 Жыл бұрын

It's not all about power and speed. Id much rather have good mileage and reliability. Ram and Chevy stopped using the CP4 for a reason. Ford should follow suit. Id much rather have the Cummins over a Powerstroke.

@GC-ph9mz Жыл бұрын

the fact that the ford goes up the hill in 8th gear at 2000rpm at mid boost pressure with a 3.31 rear gearing should tell us that with a 10 speed it is ininfluent what rear gearing are mounted it has so much gears to choose from and find the right spot

@toofastnobrakes Жыл бұрын

Did ram stop offering the 4.10 paired with the Cummins? I swear to God you can build a one time with that combo on the website. And I’m pretty sure I’ve seen those on the lot before too. At least that’s what they say on the sticker

@mikedillon6233 Жыл бұрын

So if i'm understanding this correctly , dodge needs to put a lower gear rear end and make it available Also to improve their transmission make it heavier duty , And Make It at least a 10 speed?

@scramjet4610 17 күн бұрын

Wow, what a great video, finding the root cause of the RAM 2500 lack of hill performance as the fault of the 6-speed transmission. Also, would the RAM 2500 have an advantage over the F250 4x4 versus an F250 Fx4 ?

@GardnerOutdoors Жыл бұрын

Does the Ram need the body removed to work on the engine?

@cedriclorittssr4361 Жыл бұрын

I have a 2019 Ram 1500 Classic with a 5.7 liter engine. 8 speed transmission. Shouldn’t the Cummins have the 8 speed transmission also? If I would upgrade to the Ram 2500, I would like a stronger transmission that the 6 speed. I’m no mechanic just curious.👍🏾

@TheGettyAdventures Жыл бұрын

Nope the cummins can only come with a 6 speed tranmission. if you got the 6.4 HEMI you would have the 8 speed ZF transmission/

@jnk26 Жыл бұрын

Is most situations that HP8 in the 1500 is a better transmission that the 68RFE. The 68RFE is a beefed up 545RFE. It's really not a great trans by any standard

@RedEemblem Жыл бұрын

Well said, diesels really need the extra gears cuz their limited revs available compared to gas engine Wich are less torquey but more linear

@jakewilson24 Жыл бұрын

This might be a hot take, I believe the Ram 2500 models are behind ford and Chevy. The SO Cummins makes the least amount of power, and Ram only becomes competitive with its HO 3500 model with the AISIN, where it starts to make more power than the Chevys and is a lot more competitive with Ford. I’m a Ram fanboy so it pains me to say it, but a new transmission and maybe even a new update to the Cummins motor is probably needed to keep Ram in this race. The SO is just underpowered compared to others making the 2500 (with coil springs) a boneheaded play. These 6th gen rams better come soon and with a big upgrade

@TheGettyAdventures Жыл бұрын

I also like RAM trucks and think the Cummins is a very strong engine but I agree. this towing test was a little bit of a wake up call to me. the F250 platform is a much stronger truck at the moment then the RAM 2500 truck and I imagine the 3500's are much the same.

@jtopdawg6 Жыл бұрын

It’s just plain and simple, ram has fallen behind ford and Chevy. I think it’s more to it than just a transmission.

@countcuda70 Жыл бұрын

If you check around. You will find. The Duramax put more power to the ground then the High Output Cummins

@ThanksHero Жыл бұрын

The Cummins also gets by far and away the best fuel mileage, easiest to work on, and if you delete/modify it’s the best platform. These things don’t matter to most people besides maybe MPG but they do matter to a lot of people.

@ThanksHero Жыл бұрын

@workplaytv Жыл бұрын

The high output would have been a much better comparison.

@TheGettyAdventures Жыл бұрын

It would of been but I wanted to compare the the standard output engines on the 2500 platform and just see how they perform

@FulltimingBrinkley3950 Жыл бұрын

Do you think it would be a different story if the Cummins was a High Output that was towing 14,000 pounds in this video?

@OmahaWayne Жыл бұрын

Yeh and put the HO in the ford, it would be different the Ford would blow away the fiat even more.

@user-vn5ts7vw5q Жыл бұрын

The issue with the 6 gears has everything to do with usable RPM. The Powerstroke has 1000 RPM to tap into. The Cummins just doesn’t have that available, so there was no way for it to downshift again. Even with the older 6speed 6R140 Ford transmission the Powerstroke would’ve climbed that hill with ease. I don’t know if it would’ve made use of 4th gear in that same scenario, but it would’ve had the option because it can rev higher than the Cummins.

@dwaynerudkavitch5307 Жыл бұрын

I am in the market for a truck. I've own nothing but rams but I am considering a Ford 250. Mainly because of the tranny, seats were comfy even in lower trims. I would gamble on the fuel pump on the ford and would buy some warranty for that. The springs as well. I was looking at getting a gasser because would be towing around 9500lbs. When i looked at the trim level in the ford {xlt,fx4}. The price was almost the same between the two. That being said I'd stick with diesel.The gas engines in the HD's are not exactly bullet proof nowadays so it's a real crap shoot.

@alextrainor2552 Жыл бұрын

The dcr fuel pump is the answer the the cp4 now

@dwaynerudkavitch5307 Жыл бұрын

@@alextrainor2552 Thanks did not that

@CodyMcGriff 11 ай бұрын

I built a 2022 RAM 3500 dually with a 4:10 rear gear ratio on their website?...

@mattcaesar5781 10 ай бұрын

Hes using a 2500 for comparison to the F250 and chevy 2500 to show you the difference between brands at the same level. A dually 3500 3500 is way different than a 2500 srw

@kyle8380 Жыл бұрын

The fords 3.31 gears are not lower than the Cummins 3.73. They are higher.

@kuhndog-1196 Жыл бұрын

So after driving all these diesel trucks do you regret the power wagon at all?

@DyingCatalyst Жыл бұрын

Probably not, cheaper for him probably to have a power wagon and not worry about anything

@TheGettyAdventures Жыл бұрын

No not at all. I love my power wagon. I think it's such an incredible truck. driving it in the Canadian winters is a blessing. I think having a diesel would be awesome but I didn't really need it. and the emission crap is just something I don't need to worry about lol

@kuhndog-1196 Жыл бұрын

@@TheGettyAdventures I got a 17 Power Wagon and absolutely love it. The 66rfe kind of annoys me sometimes but for the most part I love the truck. Big fan of the 6.4 hemi.

@ftbrip Жыл бұрын

Ram Ho diesel vs the Ram Power Wagon is like apples to oranges, they are not the same. my 3500 Ram HO diesel is quicker in 0-60 than 6.4 hemi and is 2000 pounds heavier. But I wouldn't take the 3500 in the mud. The Power Wagon thrived in the mud and nasty stuff disconnection sway bars locking front and rear the 4:10 gears 12000 lbs winch from the factory. And the downhill decent on the Power Wagon is killer you can adjust it to 1/2 a mile an hour. For all the off-road tricks it does it gives up a lot in payload. Now the 3500 will tow your 40,000 pounds down the pavement very easily, so it is really what you are looking for in a truck

@dalelangehennig161 3 ай бұрын

I think the Cummins would be too weak for 331 or 355. ouuld be getting close to some half ton towing numbers on some trucks. Now 410? Might REALLY pair well with the Cummins chill low end pulling power.

@chrisbryan6493 9 ай бұрын

Probably already mentioned but Ram offers a 4.10 but only in a DRW dually

@fuji302 Жыл бұрын

The biggest issue with the Cummins is that it’s in a Chrysler product. Cummins would be wise to follow Ford’s example and not allow their good product to be combined with a bad one.

@matthewc.westover2522 Жыл бұрын

3.31 vs 3.73 ?

@alanholmes2366 Жыл бұрын

Clearly the bias is for the Ram. The performance of the Ford blows the Ram out of the water. Not the end of the world for the Ram fans…😂 Less squat, less speed, less power up hill lots more excuses though for the Ram.

@jasonnyhof5972 Жыл бұрын

I agree I ran Ram cummins for years went to powerstrokes in 17 and will not go back. Even when the 17s had 6 speed transmissions they still blew away my 16 HO cummins.

@eljefe4473 Жыл бұрын

All of these trucks are ridiculous nowadays. Pick one and run it.

@TheGettyAdventures Жыл бұрын

lol I was chatting to my buddy about that actually. all 3 trucks will tow 15k with ease.

@dalelangehennig161 3 ай бұрын

If the 25' Rams come with a 10 speed... I'll be there! :)

@Boudreaux911 Жыл бұрын

You need to test a 3500 Cummins H.O single rear wheel💪With extra 50 more HP

@countcuda70 Жыл бұрын

Powerstroke and Duramax still out perform the H.O. Cummins

@Boudreaux911 Жыл бұрын

@@countcuda70 let’s find out

@countcuda70 Жыл бұрын

@@Boudreaux911 TFL compared all 3 already. Ram with the High Output Cummins was last. Ford has the highest numbers to the ground with their High Output Powerstroke. Ram advertises higher numbers but Duramax has more HP and TQ to the ground. Last is the Cummins

@TheGettyAdventures Жыл бұрын

Ya I would really like to to this with the HO cummins and see if the added power helps to compete with ford.

@countcuda70 Жыл бұрын

@@TheGettyAdventures It doesn't really help much. Powerstroke and Duramax with the 10 speed are pretty far ahead

@wamalanga Жыл бұрын

Can you say G56?

@kevingrover1925 Жыл бұрын

Just look on the road at what trucks are working. Ram is over and above preferred. The 10 speed works great but has issues also

@OmahaWayne Жыл бұрын

LOL, preferred = cheaper to buy and the 68rfe is known to be a true pos just like the rest of the fiat/peugeot stuff. Or you could get your mexico built truck with a toyota tranny that's not much better.

@joshszydel8202 Жыл бұрын

My 19 and 20 f350s lost the transmissions at 60k

@mattcaesar5781 10 ай бұрын

@@joshszydel8202 and how much tune did you put on them??

@joshszydel8202 9 ай бұрын

@@mattcaesar5781 💯 stock.

@rockshockoffroad4x43 Жыл бұрын

Love my Cummins 2500 mega cab it’s an animal wouldn’t drive anything else

@sonsofliberty3081 Жыл бұрын

If they offered full power in the 2500, the 6 sp would have been hidden more. I dont believe the ram needs a 10sp, probably an 8 would be perfect with the lower rpms.

@gebertg Жыл бұрын

8 to me is the compromise to gearing and less complexity.

@codeyabc7927 9 ай бұрын

I'm a cummins guy but I hate the transmissions behind them. The 6.7 from both are just great engines honestly though.

@LindsayPeters987 Жыл бұрын

Love me a good cummins 👌

@TheGettyAdventures Жыл бұрын

Yaa you do.

@AK_Ray Жыл бұрын

All over your face

@98durangopack 10 ай бұрын

Didn't the 7.3 godzilla pull the trailer in like 16 seconds from 60-110? Pretty funny imo..

@jnk26 Жыл бұрын

Ford does not option a 3.73 with the diesel. That's only available with the 6.7 in a F350 chassis cab or with the gas engines in the pickups. The 3.31 will not keep up with a 4.10 in an HO but the 3.55 surpasses it by a long shot. If it was 4.10 to 4.10 there is no comparison. At 1900rpm that ford is making more than 1000lbft. This Cummins at 2200rpm is right around 800lbft. Thats a sizeable difference, not so much after the 3.31 vs 3.73 axle. Even the HO Cummins with a 3.73 will be on par with the powerstroke. I've looked at DRW in the last few weeks. The smaller cab, smaller overall length, 2011 design, 6 speed, all hold me back from making the change. Only part that is appealing is the $16k difference in price(F350 XLT is 96k, Ram Big Horn is 80k) but that 16k makes up for a lot of differences, even with the HO it's not a comparison

@brianthompson9485 3 ай бұрын

96k for an XLT? lol. You must be in Canada.

@jnk26 3 ай бұрын

@brianthompson9485 yeah in Southern Ontario(2hrs from Detroit) a decently optioned 2024 F350 SRW crewcab LB with the 7.3 is $84k before tax add $11k for SO 6.7l and $14k for the HO. My 2019 Lariat ultimate was $90 sticker, can't get an XLT for that now.

@hitempguy Жыл бұрын

I don't believe you mentioned at any point in this video whether the ram was a Standard Output or a High Output. Now I know the RAM guys will know this info, but as a duramax man, I have no clue. Would love in your videos if you were clear about this, that "other" big truck channel is terrible for telling what the specs of the truck are that they are testing (your videos are much better IMO btw)

@countcuda70 Жыл бұрын

With the Ram 2500. You can only get them with the Standard Output Cummins with the 68RFE transmission.

@jnk26 Жыл бұрын

HO Cummins Is only available on the 3500 rams

@blackericdenice Жыл бұрын

The Cummins does not make power pass 2500 rpm. It don't need 4.10 gears. It need the 10 speed auto more than anything.

@stgraves260 3 ай бұрын

Cummins all day everyday!!!

@michaelpanacheese604 Жыл бұрын

Ram really needs a upgrade. the trucks look so old now. But I would only buy the Cummins nothing else from ram

@TheGettyAdventures Жыл бұрын

Nothing wrong with the Cummins engine, very solid unit. you don't need crazy top end power for towing but you do need a good driveline behind the engine which RAM currently does not have.

@miningking70 Жыл бұрын

Excellent intelligent information! I agree Dodge #1 transmission truck failure rate. Dodge Corporate 🔥 all there asses for selling shit 68RFE transmission. It's a no brainier! Ford 6.7 #1 in rear wheel power! Much better transmission too! Emissions that's another story! I'm good with my 5.9l with hy modified 48RE! No Smog

@AussieDazza Жыл бұрын

Dodge ? 🤣🤣 Dodge has got nothing to do with it. The last time I checked the last Dodge made Ram ( 3 rd Gen) left the production line 13 years ago. Production was moved from Dodge plants to ex Chrysler plants in 2010 when Ram became its own brand and manufacturer.

@lw6735 Жыл бұрын

The Cummins engine producing torque at lower end better than powerstroke isn’t fact anymore like it used to be, the long connecting rods because of shallower steel pistons have become almost as long as Cummins connecting rods and now produce peak torque at 1600 rpm and peak hp at 2600 rpm vs Ram 1800 rpm peak torque and 2800 rpm peak horsepower, so it’s not really Cummins torque king anymore and as for reliability they’re very similar besides 22 Cummins blowing engines because of their pushrods rocker arm kits being cheaper metal.

@ftbrip Жыл бұрын

No thank you on the ford converted gas engine as well as the chevy

@lw6735 Жыл бұрын

@@ftbrip lol there was actually one built by Chevy converted from a gas engine back in the day the 6.2 but saying that about duramax and powerstroke is like saying the same thing about Cummins just cause they’re a straight 6 like the old Jeep straight six lol, saying stuff like that holds no water, I’m about actual performance and reliability which ford 6.7 powerstroke is now more powerful torqy and reliable than 22/23 6.7 Cummins in the real world

@realjredecop Жыл бұрын

@@ftbriplol what.

@ftbrip Жыл бұрын

Ok tell me why none of the big rig companies use ford or chevy diesel but they use Cummins a lot because ford and chevy are redone gas motors

@lw6735 Жыл бұрын

@@ftbrip lol because Cummins builds a 6.7 crate engine which Ram also happens to use. Just because a company builds a diesel engine specifically for their truck and don’t sell the to other companies as crate engines doesn’t mean it was originally gas lol show me the 6.7 gas that ford used to make that they supposedly turned into the 6.7 Powerstroke and same on duramax lol Like I said that was true of chevys first diesel engine back in the 90s or so, the 6.2 was literally a made over gas engine and it didn’t work Chevy and ford don’t use crate engines like Ram does, they build their own diesel engines like Cummins does, they just don’t build crate engines to sell to other companies like Cummins, but Cummins also doesn’t build trucks, they only build engines

@nathanwoten6236 Жыл бұрын

There's no reason to get a 2500 just go for the 3500 HO dually or single which ever you need or want and your good my 21 dually tow between 16k and 22k 3 to 4 days a week for work and all I have is a tuner banks cold air and full exhaust and intercooler with the cold and hot side pipes and it did just fine before any upgrades I just can't leave nothing alone and like modifying weverything I own but I would be just fine stock also

@MELOMEOUT 8 ай бұрын

Everyone wants a 10 speed till you need a rebuild😅

@carlwemple6075 Жыл бұрын

The drawbacks to rams is the underpowered transmissions. Nice engines but it has a leg cut off.

@ftbrip Жыл бұрын

We should do a burn out comp. newer diesel truck ford Chevy and Ram

@1hasbeen531 Жыл бұрын

Long, long, long overdue for a new, competitive transmission. Ram needs to wake up!

@lrizo3841 Жыл бұрын

The aisin transmission will Outlast and perform anything that Ford Powerstroke has.. Cummins is still king

@OhhMaki Жыл бұрын

@@lrizo3841pretty sad Dodge can’t build anything. Powerstroke is a better truck overall tho

@lrizo3841 Жыл бұрын

@@OhhMaki 😂 you obviously don't know anything about trucks then..

@OhhMaki Жыл бұрын

@@lrizo3841 Who makes the transmission? AISIN. Who makes the engine? Cummins. Pretty good duo but dodge makes little money on their diesel trucks compared to Ford and GM. Also everything around it blows and resale value doesnt lie

@TheGettyAdventures Жыл бұрын

ya the 6 speed 68RFE is such an old unit. probably why Cummins can't up the power on the RAM 2500 platform because that transmission wouldn't be able to take the extra power. that's my guess anyways.

@mordeth1964 9 ай бұрын

I love "it's not the fastest engine" really means "it's gutless and wouldn't pull a sailor off your sister"

@davidsanderson5466 Жыл бұрын

CON- a great Cummins engine wrapped around by a piece of crap dodge/fiat truck.

@TheGettyAdventures Жыл бұрын

It's sadly a little true, I like the RAM trucks but that 6 speed is terrible.

@joshchambliss2887 11 ай бұрын

I’m sure a 15-19 powerstroke with 6 speed would do better in towing too. Need to find one and run same test 😂. Them rams are junk when you compare to a Ford in my opinion 🤷🏼‍♀️

@Lq32332 Жыл бұрын

The Ram HD 5th gen was a lie. Essentially same powertrain, cab, etc. Just a face lift. The only Ram 2500 that makes any sense is a gas with the 8 speed- it keeps the payload high and the 8 speed is great. Other than that go GM / Ford or wait 5 years for them to update the ram.

@mordeth1964 9 ай бұрын

Sorry, I have to say that if this is basically the same engine as the 3500, it will struggle to tow the 20000lb at all.

@aaronkelley8909 Жыл бұрын

I don’t trust those factory fuel economy gages. I think for a proper review to be conducted. The fuel economy should be tested independently.

@noahziegler3478 4 ай бұрын

Speed is all that matters in Towing that and marking your distance by kilometers pffft

@NoMags Жыл бұрын

I have an old 2008 5.7 hemi

@Steviethegr8 Жыл бұрын

Okay?

@F450FTW Жыл бұрын

Can't get 3.73 with Diesel

@thomasabraham1393 6 ай бұрын

8 speed would probably be better then the 10

@Reggiestreet Жыл бұрын

My 6.7 power stroke does 40psi

@countcuda70 Жыл бұрын

Boost isn't a direct measurement of power. It's measuring restriction. Put better charge pipes, intercooler and heads on. Power will go up, bosst will come down

@MilanPalushaj-uh3df Жыл бұрын

Thank you for a great review but the next one please let it be ram 3500 with real transmission lol

@TheGettyAdventures Жыл бұрын

I have my eyes set on a 3500 HO single wheel for a towing review soon!

@pistolcutler4874 10 ай бұрын

Thats not true i put mine in 4th gear and go up hills with no problem with 14,000LBS keep going 65MPH

@edwardpate6128 Жыл бұрын

Duramax please.

@oldschoolrunescape-demonan2015 Жыл бұрын

2003 5.7 2500 208k miles runs strong both engine n trans

@kylebutler7142 Жыл бұрын

Once again Ford CRUSHES it

@TheGettyAdventures Жыл бұрын

When it came to pulling up those larger hills it was very obvious that the F250 had more capability.

@lw6735 Жыл бұрын

@@TheGettyAdventures was the ford a high or low output?

@kylebutler7142 Жыл бұрын

@@TheGettyAdventures I think with the rear axle ratio of the Ford actually giving an advantage to the RAM, it was an impressive loop by the F250 to beat the RAM and have noticeably better fuel economy as well. Higher towing + payload figures and the 6.7 Powerstroke is a reliable unit.

@caseyhorne6035 Жыл бұрын

Got a 6.7 Powerstroke with 130000 on it and it’s solid. No problem yet

@Eli-jp3uk Жыл бұрын

Pickup trucks are good until they break down

@lashbera Жыл бұрын

Wrong, A 10 speed might help the Cummins but the power stroke has a much wider power band, higher redline and massive low end torque that comes in at a lower RPM then the Cummins. Cummins is only great because of the name and a name doesn’t mean it’s the best. It’s just like hemi, great name, makes a lot of power but crappy engine reliability. Also, engines aside, ford builds a better rest of the truck as well and has always been king of transmission mapping which is the way the transmission selects the right gear for the situation.

@aaronkelley8909 Жыл бұрын

Oh please. Ford diesel has had poor track record and was a joke for decades. In terms of longevity, Cummins is King. Cummins absolutely dominates in tractor pulling, and drag racing because they’re the stronger engine.

@countcuda70 Жыл бұрын

@@aaronkelley8909Cummins had a 12 year head start on the Duramax and 22 years on the 6.7 Powerstroke. Duramax aftermarket has stepped up in a big way. You have competitive sled trucks and record setting drag racing trucks and rails. Powerstroke isn't there yet but it's up and coming

@aaronkelley8909 Жыл бұрын

@@countcuda70 not really because of that. The Cummins rotating assembly has more bearings and main caps. It’s just a stronger engine. The cylinder head is steel on the Cummins. The heads on the Duramax and Powerstroke are aluminum.

@countcuda70 Жыл бұрын

@@aaronkelley8909 Yes, it's really because of that. You didn't listen to what I said. I'm aware of the heads on them. Aftermarket for the Duramax has stepped up in a big way. There's 3500+ HP Duramax powered trucks. Cummins isn't alone in the performance industry anymore.

@aaronkelley8909 Жыл бұрын

@@countcuda70 3500 hp duramax on a Dyno or just some guy claiming 3500hp? kzfaq.info/get/bejne/q8B_gqZlvLqrf30.html

@edkruzel Жыл бұрын

After capability my biggest concern is dependability. Nobody cares if it's faster if it has to head to the shop frequently. We bought dozens of f250's for our fleet in 2020. About 80% of these had engine failure and a total rebuild before 60K. Horrible purchase.

@timcheek5134 Жыл бұрын

When will fiat make there own motor?

@aaronkelley8909 Жыл бұрын

You mean like the Japanese Isuzu Duramax

@countcuda70 Жыл бұрын

@@aaronkelley8909 Duramax is owned by GM. Built at Dmax LTD in Moraine Ohio. Since the first Duramax was built on 7/17/2000. Was never an Isuzu. Dmax was created from a 60/40 partnership between GM and Isuzu. Ford didn't design the 6.7L Powerstroke. AVL an Austrian design company did. Cummins wasn't alone either. Case help with the design.

@aaronkelley8909 Жыл бұрын

@@countcuda70 It’s got rice in its DNA.

@countcuda70 Жыл бұрын

@@aaronkelley8909 It also paved the way for Common Rail injection. Your reply is pretty stupid. Still made by GM. Transmission is also made by GM. What's Ram or should I say Stellantis make, the body. Everything else is from another company. Including Ram's good transmission from Japan. Nice try newbie

@aaronkelley8909 Жыл бұрын

@@countcuda70duramax needed the japs to show them how to build a diesel engine. While I like the duramax, GM and Japan. The facts can not be disputed.

@Captain-Awesome 4 ай бұрын

Dude! How you can say the RAM that the engine is getting “lugged down”, when it was at 2,000 RPM?!?!? Isn’t the peak torque for the Standard Output RAM at 1,700 RPM? You were dead nuts on it and not lugging it at say 1,300 RPM. I like your videos and like you but can’t be that much of a Fan Boy for RAM.

@Antiliblife187 Жыл бұрын

If your looking for reliability and the best exhaust break out of the big 3 the Ram is the top choice. Fords have aluminum beer can frames that crunch when loaded up like a can! Look it up you will see. Power jokes also have aluminum beer can heads that warp and fail under heat and stress. Cummins has cast iron for the cylinder head.. AND a fully boxed steel frame. The only thing better on the new fords is the transmission...

@arod6789 Жыл бұрын

Dodge had the worst frame. Ford had the strongest. Look at crash tests.

@Antiliblife187 Жыл бұрын

@arod6789 keep telling yourself that I don't give a crap. Aluminum vs steel how much more is needed to be said. The Fords frame has bent and twisted from hauling basic stuff.

@arod6789 Жыл бұрын

@codydovel791 you are a moron. The frame is steel. The ram is the only one out of the 3 that's sees complete frame failure when overloaded.

@AK_Ray Жыл бұрын

@@Antiliblife187 given your disdain for aluminum, shouldn't you be a big fan of the only engine that has steel pistons instead of that crappy Cummins with its aluminum junk pistons lol.

@Antiliblife187 Жыл бұрын

@AK_Ray almost every diesel engine has cast aluminum pistons jackass. That's a good material for pistons but for cylinder heads and frames and truck beds come on dude your ignorant.