Awesome. I like the idea of mixing older Dodge Ram Cummins trucks (1998-2002) with the newer ones. Also, the videos are great.

The 3500 4:10 gear holds 2200 RPM in direct drive at 52.2 MPH. The 5500 with 4:44 gears holds 2480 RPM. The 5500 with 4.88 holds 2725 RPM at the same MPH. The lower gear puts the engine under less load "stress" at higher weights. Also with higher trailer weights it hard to legally scale a 3500 because you can't get enough trailer tong weight and keep 10% over the truck rear tires. If you load your Diamond C to 34,000 over the trailer tires you can add 10,000 lbs to the tong putting the drive axle at 13,500. That's 44,000 lbs towed with a trailer weight on a 44 ft hydraulic ramp trailer weighing 11,620 lbs. That's 32,386 lbs you can legally and safely load on the trailer and scale. It gets harder with the axle weight capacity of the 3500. Also moving this type of weight you want the bigger rear diff and wheel bearing. Not to mention brakes. Also direct drive is 4th gear. The 1:0 gear ratio in the trans.

You and Tabbot have the best towing weapons on the planet. No question ☝️💪🏻👍

We have a RAm 5500 with 4:89 gears to haul our 22000 Plus lb 5th wheel around the country and couldn't be happier with the way it handles the job.

Great demo on the exhaust brakes👍

Always enjoy your videos!

Love the way you fly your passengers door flag right.

Great video Sam thanks.

Awesome information in this video.

My 2022 3500 HO is sitting in Benecia, waiting to be delivered to the dealer. Like a kid waiting on Christmas morning!

Great video Sam 💪🏻👍🏻

Another honest review with real testing👍🏻thanks for sharing Sam 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻🇺🇸💪🏻

Not everyone needs to tow 20k+ at 80 mph, most folk just need it to get in gear and pull reliably.

Invaluable info here guys. Couldn’t put a price on it. So you’re telling me it depends on what the trailer’s doing and the terrain’s doing. 😎 If I have to get that heavy in the public sector I’ll go class 8 as the perimeters there can’t be as controlled as the private sector specific not to brakes but to trailer tire. I guessed the 3500 on the way up and 55 on the way down due to the engine numbers. The high output being derated like that at the high temps is a little reassuring. When it turns itself down I won’t have to freak out thinking something is going goofy.

Great vid Thanks!

These are like class 8 semi's lite, the power these trucks have now!

Great video 👍

I drive a 2020 5500 everyday, I was told that 3,500 mi. is when things start improving factory settings allow it to have break in time, cab, and chassis have just anybody driving them in a fleet! Great trucks!!

I think you need to do the test again after you hit 15,000miles. Which i believe is the official breakin mileage still. At that point the difference might not even be perciveable. But it will certainly be interesting to find out.

Sam, What I'd like to see is the same run, but with your dad's 4500 with 4.10's. (Do I have that correct? 370hp vs 370, identical trucks, but with different gearing. Ram obviously makes a huge deal out of gearing and what gvcwr the truck gets because of that selected ratio. But, I think we miss some of the fact that we don't have a 1 spd transmission. While different gears will effect dead stop launch, and final high speed rpm, that big middle ground area can have a lot to do with trans gearing. Simply put, a 4.10 truck might pull a hill in 3rd and higher rpm, and a 4.88 identical truck might be able to pull it in 4th, with both basically mustering up about the same mph overall. That's my guess

FCA doesn't touch the Cummins Engine Calibrations. Cummins does their own testing and validation as well.

Cool Video. We've got 3500's and 5500's and a 4500 on order. All tow our stuff great. I've been pondering exhaust and intake for the new 4500 coming, maybe a tune. But not deleting

Great 👍 thanks for sharing

I think in the long run you are better off going with the 5500. Hp isn't everything. I'd be more worried about how the truck handles the extra weight and how much longer it will last compared to the 3500. My brother-in-law had a 2011 1500 and I had a 2500hd. His truck would pull better off the line and up hills. But my truck would handle the weight way better and lasted longer than his did.

Aisin already has an 8 speed. I wonder when that bad boy is going to be in a ram. Also it’s insane that we are even talking about “off the lot” trucks with 800-1000 ft lbs. I remember my dads 02 with the HO was making 245 hp and 505 lbs of torque and that was like insane to me.

A lot of people think numbers are everything, hell I have a truck with 400ft lbs and paired with 3.73s and a low geared manual trans and it will drag anything around

I’d go with the 5500 Cab n chassis

It's Tortoise and the Hare between the 3500 and 5500. After a few pulls and mileage the old 5500 turtle will still be going and the 3500 will have joint pain, smokers lungs, and a collection of old shoes. Overconfidence, good looks, bragging, speed can't compare with common sense, steadiness, and humility really.

I would have bought the 5500. For the weight you pull you need the bigger brakes. It's not how fast you can go but what you can stop.

It is not how fast you can go it is how well you can stop.

Those 2 spd rearend wanters will be sorry, I have owned a couple 2 1/2 to 5 tons back in the day they are noting but trouble stay away! Multi spd transmission is the only way to go.

does the trans shift differently from the 3500 to 5500. I had a 2008 5500 the trans really shifted nice would down shift like a big rig

Rolled across the scale with my 19 cc drw f350 35ft gooseneck and an excavator at just under 42k lbs gross weight. Truck did have emissions friendly 100hp tune but pulled it no problem. I wasn’t trying to win any races but, I wasn’t trying to be a Sunday driver either.

if im not mistaken the tow haul on the ram doesnt change shift points...but it downshifts when in tow haul

I have a 2019 3500 drw with 3.73s and flatbed. Truck only is 12k. I tow heavy quite a bit with gooseneck and it does great. Mostly flat roads and off road. I think the 4.10 with aisin is built for towing better we have a cab and chassis 3500 and pulls better

I'm a Ford man for life but my 08 6.4 F-550 has all the breaking I won't in tow haul mode 1 bump of the breaks it kicks down like it's supposed to and up hill with my utility box full of tools and the bed full of tools you never know anything is behind it even though few things have fell off

What sort of brakes do you have on a trailer of this weight and do you need a CDL for private use? In Australia (where you can buy a RAM 3500 for 130K USD) you need full air brakes........ a full semi truck licence. These trucks are starting to become popular down here - even at huge prices. Between the different brands and models (1500 - 3500) they are selling about 3,000 of these trucks per year.....and it's increasing every year too.

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Fords you have to drive like a semi without hydronic breaks , once you help break check the engine break and keep it in range it's like it just floats and you don't have to stay on the breaks , because it down shifts and engages almost 50 percent engine break automatically,, which I think is what you're looking for

Was in Morgantown about to month ago

You guys are goin back and fourth on these, I'm still pulling day in day out with a carborated big block and a four speed... I wish I could pull those grades at 25. I need to buy a truck ...

What do you get for fuel mileage

I just pulled a 20k with a 1500 GMC piece of cake. You dont need all that.

Really interesting to have a diamond C-trailer and a 5500 dually over here in Europe to transport lighter machines like you guys. The big question is if it should work with our regulations here in Europe. It looks really durable instead for a semi-rig. Lower fuel-, tax-, maintenancecost is three things I directly think of. How long is your 5500 rig?

You should make a quick 5 minute video of no talking so a asmr style video and do a split screen of doing a 0-80mph pull and a 80-0mph engine brake test. Also, pulling that hill in the video, hook up to the same trailer fully loaded that both trucks can do and again do a split screen side by side syle video. Just mount a go pro camera to the steering wheel Cullum.

I guess 3500 wins but longevity I’d go with 5500

5500 with holding more weight and doing it with ease!

The only thing the 8 speed transmission is good for is mpg.i was talking to a person he said that they will put the same tune in the 5500 as what is in the 3500.

I’ll take a 5500 any day of the week and twice on Sunday to tow any weight over a 3500

What is the name of your intro song ?

There is a company that orders 5500 with high output for big rvs . They also put full air or hydraulic suspension and a rv bed .

Want to see some videos on these Ford's y'all speak of.

I work a lot in the mining industry, the dodge's run and pull great but the body, interior and body fall apart after a few years.

I’m a nervous wreck when we tow with dads 2017 f250 we haul 15k or less and it just does not handle the weight on any scale

I went with a 22 HO 3500 dually 4.10s because I haul heavy and the registration and insurance on a 5500 commercial vehicle is expensive. As well as the fact I can resell my "grandma" driven dually for more than I could ever recoup with a 5500 work truck.

1986 6.9 turbo with 4+2 and its great. Runs off of the home made black diesel. Fun video guys, im still a ford guy, but i dont think ill ever get anything newer than 2005 after working on em. Pretty trucks P.s. I have ADHD so shifting gear while towing keeps the brain occupied

What does “de-rated” mean on the 5500? I thought that the high output cummins put in both the 3500 and 5500 made the same exact power given they have the same powertrain.

😆😅😂🤣 Ford Mode I love it!!! It's true!!! Durajunk and Powerjoke and awesome high rev engines but they don't hold back for shit it's like a runaway freight train!!!

How does the Duramax compare in the engine braking department ?

I can go 300k miles on a set of brakes on my freightliner, i don't use the breakes unless i need to. I let the engine do all the work.

It has more than one EGT. You just don't see it. The EGTs are monitored for many reasons. All of the tuning comes from CUMMINS. They set the limits, they design it. The fuel mileage is based on, BMEP and that's based on torque curves. Towing isn't about speed. Any real heavy load(140k is not heavy) it's not fast a process. More torque means you can do more work at 60-65mph. Horsepower is just a rating for how fast a certain amount of work get done. 370hp at 2800rpm is 694lbft. The Aisins 2nd gear is 2.00:1 and the axle is 4.44:1. So at 2800rpm in second with TC locked your truck to the axle shafts is making 6,162lbft to turn the wheels. The 3500 in the same position(gear) with more torque and less ratio is 787lbft x 2.00:1 x 4.10:1 = 6,459lbft. It looks like his truck has 19.5" tires on it so it has no advantage on tires size(smaller diameter tires lose less torque) so he has a slight advantage. I understand that the trucks were over 2800rpm and that's not the point. I'm making. Hp is a fancy way of rate of work, that's is so commonly misunderstood. I would take the 5500 over the 3500 just on the brakes and tires alone. You are far more incontrovertible with a 19,000lbs lead vehicle than a 14k lead when your rolling over 40k gross. This is why a semi tractor is 46k(12k steer, 34k drive) of the 80k gross. Unless your in Canada where we have 58k tractors(16k steers, 42k drives) with 140k gross. That's still 42% of the total weight of the combination

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Do you notice that much of a difference with your 3500 dually vs your 5500 with the wide track front end in regards to turning radius?

How's the truck do when you don't control the shifting? Like let the trans do it's job and shift itself? I just ask because you and operator both always talk about it shifting your automatic trucks.

Sam 🤙. Cummins forever 👍💪🏻

What model excavator is that you are hauling?

So is the main difference between the two payload?

Ill stick with the silverado i like rams and ive owned rams but overall in my 2500 going up hill i have no issues at all that thing keeps pulling and the allison transmission helps a lot w the fuel mileage at the end of the day its all preference besides engine and transmission chevy gives me more options all around the truck but thats my opinion like insaid preference

I'll take heavy frame and bigger brakes EVERY TIME. I'm saying it is incredibly easy decision. I hauled a cord of fire wood in a 1981 c10 chevrolet with a short block chevy 305. It did the job. What's the power 200 hp 300 torque on a good day 3 speed auto. I have a 18 ram 5.7 and a 16ft average trailer I use occasionally it's plenty for hauling a car at 80mph

My guess is a long-term the Derated truck would last longer short term the other truck would tow better but in reality emission systems will kill them both before they ever reach their full potential

I pull 2 trailers behind me with my 18 ram. I pull 28k, its not hilly and does awesome. I wonder if an 8 speed would do better on my 7 mpg.

The 5500 is a piece of .... except for the thick, boxed frame. Why do men loving men love Ram's? I drove an '07 tow truck 5500 with the lame-tuned 6.7. Dash layout exceptional - with the same graphics and finish I remember from a '94 Intrepid taxi. GM/Ford also junk, but in a different league.

So to a guy that all of these stats sounds like Charlie Brown's teacher. What platform is the better choice for RVing and hotshotting? I would rather have the muscle and not need it than not have and need it. Looking towards a 5th wheel or possibly gooseneck RV

i was towed 2 less gear down

Im looking at getting a living quarters horse trailer as well as a truck to pull it. I contacted the manufacturer of the trailer and they informed me that the trailers, which have a gvwr of around 20k lbs, have a pin weight of around 4600 lbs when the trailer is empty which is about 12500 lbs dry. Im trying to decide if i should get a 3500 drw or a 4500. I would rather have the 3500 since this will be for personal use and ive been told the 4500 will make getting insurance more difficult/expensive. My only concern is that even a lightly optioned 3500 will only get me around 5500 lbs of payload. I figure if the empty trailer pin weight is 4600lbs then fully loaded, i would be looking at 5k lbs+ which would be really tight. Especially if the pin weight ends up being closer to 6k lbs. I dont have experience with towing this heavy so im trying to get advice from prople who do before i vommit to a purchase. I dont want to get the wrong truck and later find out its not enough truck. Based on my needs, do you think i need to step up to a 4500? Thank you

what would be the difference in 4500 vs the 3500 and 5500.

Still haven't found your buddy's channel

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Do you run 19.5s on all your rigs ? If so where would you send me to get some ?

What’s the setup for the ram 3500

What's your buddy's channel

I am a Ford guy since 2012. 12 250 and a 22 350 srw. I 100% agree the exhaust brake is useless. The Cummins sounds so good and pulls low rpm.

I personally would tune the 5500 to the same as the 3500 if at all possible. The more torque you have the better and it will break eventually so why not bump up the power?

I have a 2020 3500 and a 2020 5500. Why does the 5500 have less horsepower?

I have a few 3500s with 40 ft hydraulic doves and they won't pull anymore than a 299d3 or a 305 mini excavator and the brakes on the 21s are trash the 2018s are better thank God for hydraulic disc on trailers these ho motors at Eisenhower tunnel with 25k lbs runs at 30 mph pretty sad

Over gcwr

Should have bought a chevy with 10 speed won't be hunting for gears

I have 2 RAM 3500's, a 2011 SRW deleted and a 2017 DRW with all emissions. The 2011 gets about 4 MPG better than the 2017 empty and about 2 MPG hauling about 30,000 lbs. BUT they both go up the same passes at about the same speed when towing. No real difference.

How do you properly spell T’s name. I follow you both comment every video. Sam is easy to spell 😂. I don’t want to screw his up if I am. Haha just saw it in video after making this comment.

LOL Dodge guy's sea hills everywhere by a Ford And those hills disappear

I bet the 5500 wins

2nd......

5500 has the better brakes

You can order whatever the f**k you want if you have the $. Your opinion on what you like and use it for?

You guys talk about 120,000lbs like that's heavy. Lol we play at 140k all day long, here in Canada. No permit, no special training required.

5500 all day long. Bigger rear end, brakes, frame, leaf springs, max tounge weight rating. Isn't he way over his GCWR??? Is his the same as yours at 43K? Sam whats the difference in wheelbase of your 5500's 2020 cab looks much longer. Any noticeable difference making into tight areas w/ trailers Thanks for all the real world, actual work knowledge you share

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Nobody hauls the weight like eastern Kentucky coal haulers they used to roll off the scales at 80 and 85 ton every load every day. Tabbot has to have a whole other level of skill to haul that kind of weight.

Who in the heck would want to tow that much weight with a dually pickup is beyond me just because the manufacturer say it could is mostly a sales pitch but not realistic and will eventually destroy your truck sooner than later