Can Windows 3.1 Run on a New Modern PC 2024?

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Can Windows 3.1 Run on a New Modern PC 2023? Today in this video I’ll try to find out is it possible to install Windows 3.1 on a modern hardware in 2023. Enjoy
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@RamtechENG Жыл бұрын

Did you ever install Windows 3.1?

@_lun4r_ Жыл бұрын

You already pinning your own comment? Stop

@el_dallasyt Жыл бұрын

Yepp

@durairaj7705 Жыл бұрын

nope

@StrykharArcade Жыл бұрын

Abort, Retry, Fail?

@plashplash-fg6hd Жыл бұрын

Nope.

@itsarian. Жыл бұрын

"so, is this the end? of course not."

@jeremiefaucher-goulet3365 Жыл бұрын

The artifacts aren't a driver issue. It's actually modern graphic cards that don't implement well the base VGA standard and have bugs in their implementation. Graphic cards are backward compatible to standard VGA to allow booting, showing POST messages and such, but they expect to switch to proprietary run mode once OS and proprietary drivers are loaded. So no efforts is made to properly support base VGA and once you start doing things a little more intensive, like Windows 3.1 drawing windows, things starts to get glitchy and bugs show up. You need a better VGA card :P

@Aeduo Жыл бұрын

It almost seems that, since the artifacts seem to be a consistent width, that reading back or masking in pixels isn't working correctly, so various drawing operations are just clobbering a row of a few pixels each time. But yeah if that is the case, it'd be a similar cause. An incomplete or broken implementation of the old standard.

@isharadhanushan2002 Жыл бұрын

Maybe a Geforce GT 730 card works. That card has a VGA output at the back and HDMI, DVI ports. Modern graphic cards have HDMI and display port only.

@jeremiefaucher-goulet3365 Жыл бұрын

@@isharadhanushan2002 My comment had nothing to do with the D-SUB connector. I highly doubt any card made in the last 20 years will be glitch free in standard VGA operation.

@freevbucks8019 Жыл бұрын

another W for AMD

@Promilus1984 Жыл бұрын

It kind of is and isn't. VGA standard is old and doesn't cover even hardware bitblitter which was added over time (along with many other additions like new screenmodes etc). Those things were covered only through windows drivers (hence the name of graphic cards with those improved vga chips was often "windows accelerators"). So obviously if there WERE win3.1 drivers for modern GPUs such glitches would not appear. Conversely if modern GPUs did cover proper VGA standard those wouldn't be a problem as well with generic vga default driver.

@nopenottalib4366 Жыл бұрын

The reason for the graphical artifacts is because Windows 3.1 (more specifically, the entire Windows 3.x family) used the default VGA driver when it couldn't detect and / or utilize the exact driver for the video card. What does that have to do with anything, you might ask? Well - VGA was not only a specific type of graphics output - it was also an industry standard graphics output. Very similar to CGA and EGA that came before it. The majority of modern graphics cards don't natively support the old analog VGA output. Instead, the cards emulate it, for backwards compatibility. The artifacts you're seeing here are demonstrating that the specific graphics card you are using doesn't do a very good job of emulating the old VGA output.

@chuckwalla2967 Жыл бұрын

Man, people used to get excited in anticipation of a new Windows release and line up outside the stores.

@XiaoStreamsAlot Жыл бұрын

Facts

@poseidon3032 Жыл бұрын

Now it's like "Go to hell, Microsoft! The one I have will suit me fine forever!" Microsoft is a victim of their own success.

@Dave102693 Жыл бұрын

@@poseidon3032 it’s because they expect people to drop hardware for new hardware every 3 years now lol

@bobmcbob4399 Жыл бұрын

@@poseidon3032 Like me with Win7. No updates pls, I like Win7 (and linux)

@sergiocaruso1331 Жыл бұрын

@Bob McBob I agree, I still use windows 7, I also like Linux.

@Alpejohn Жыл бұрын

I remember i had Win 3.1 on my pc in the early 90's, but i never used it.. Pretty cool to have used old stuff like this and seeing it again. 🙂 Brings back memories!

@poseidon3032 Жыл бұрын

I honestly never had much use for Windows in those days. I had it, but didn't really liked it. I didn't even get on the internet. I just played DOS games. Doom, Hexen, Wolfenstein, Panzer General, X-Wing, Hardball 5. I only started using Windows with the release of Windows 95. Windows 1.0 - 3.11 For Workgroups, the desktop was unwieldy. The Program Manager. I'm like WTF is this! 95 desktop was what I was looking for. A proper desktop with program icons you can create, organize, and launch. Maybe I could have made the previous Windows work, but I didn't have programs for it nor bought any. I bought DOS games. Bare metal baby!

@Ryan.Lohman Жыл бұрын

Back in Junior High I installed Windows 3.11 with about 10-12 1.44MB floppy disks. Video artifact were present until you installed the right video drivers. We installed it on top of MS-DOS 6.22. In High School (1997-2001) if the teachers had broken computers with windows 95/98 on them, I would install Mandrake Linux on them as it ran applications faster- especially DOS based apps. During this time, schools didn't have IT departments and very few computers had access to internet.

@Tegelane5 Жыл бұрын

I don't know if installing drivers help- as Ati Rage II without drivers didn't have any glitches under Win3.11. After installing drivers it was possible to adjust colour depth and resolution. I tried it with Celeron333 with 32mb memory- it was seriously fast with that.

@xavierrodriguez2463 5 ай бұрын

@@Tegelane5Ati rage II was probably better at actually conforming to base VGA standards than a modern graphics card

@Hengophone Жыл бұрын

I do be feeling like that command line emoji sometimes: alone, in the middle of darkness, smiling hysterically.

@9852323 Жыл бұрын

You do be.

@alexaneals8194 Жыл бұрын

Object Packager actually was used to embed objects from one application into another. So, you could embed an excel chart within word. Back in the 1990s Excel and Word were separate applications and you could not copy paste from one to the other like you can today.

@ssokolow 3 ай бұрын

Yeah. Back before the Internet made people want to exchange files rather than just printed copies, Microsoft OLE and Apple's OpenDoc were the new hotness for being able to mix and match things from your installed programs in a single document. OLE still forms the basis for a lot of modern Windows tech including drag-and-drop.

@sebcam9498 Жыл бұрын

Thank you for the deep plunge back in time. It transported me 30 years earlier, and made me so calm, incredible. Would so like to play at minesweeper again, it was entertaining my off time when I was a student, at university, at a time almost nobody had a computer at home

@BetterCallBigShotAutos 4 ай бұрын

I know it's not the same, but there are plenty of Minesweeper apps for phones The original winmine.exe is floating around somewhere, I'm fairly sure

@FunkyStudios Жыл бұрын

finally a video where its not just emulating the operating system in a virtual machine.

@Unrealmassacre Жыл бұрын

*This is Russian man, lol*

@jestersb- Жыл бұрын

@@Unrealmassacre he makes english content because not everyone is russian

@tylerwightman2315 6 ай бұрын

The accent makes this video gold 😂. 2 accents i absolutely love....russian and Australian

@RamtechENG 6 ай бұрын

Russian is native. Australian? Looks like I was listening Australian accent while checking pronunciation :D

@louisax4058 Жыл бұрын

Windows 3.1 was my introduction to Windows and trying to fix the things I messed up by mistake.

@ENTE_D 5 ай бұрын

you can actually get sound on windows 3.1 because for some reason someone wrote a HD audio driver for windows 3.1 it also somewhat works on 98 which I was using it for

@Jenci Жыл бұрын

Try NT older (NewTechnology) than Windows XP, such as NT3.5, NT4.0 and 2000 It works fine Windows 2000 with all drivers are compatible on GTX 980 (unofficial driver), Z87 board and i5-4690k

@PhirePhlame Жыл бұрын

I feel like, even though it's even older than Win98, 3.1 is probably also simpler since it's designed as a DOS shell instead of a full operating system.

@thunderlina3237 7 ай бұрын

Win98 is actually also a DOS shell. Windows didn't completely stop being a DOS shell until Windows XP.

@tomyyoung2624 4 ай бұрын

yes to expect running EGA or CGA?

@SuperM789 3 ай бұрын

@@thunderlina3237 erm ackshually windows nt was released before

@JuandiSanchez-tp5rf 5 ай бұрын

Hello Ramtech, the Invalid Opcode error that shows at 7:40 means an invalid CPU instruction was executed, although in this case this means that Windows 3.1 can't recognize the CPU instruction used by the newer processor by executing the game. For example, Windows 3.1 is probably not aware of SSE, SSE2, etc, so it deems those instructions as invalid.

@AlTheEngineer Жыл бұрын

Nice video man, I love Windows 3.1, it brings back so many memories to me. Can you try to fix the drivers issue? I'm curious if its an easy task to accomplish!

@poseidon3032 Жыл бұрын

From what I understand DosBox provides a good environment for classic Windows. Installing 95 on DosBox should provide full compatibility for video, sound, and game controllers. I haven't tried it yet.

@superJK92 Жыл бұрын

They are trying to have it run natively dosbox is using emulation

@poseidon3032 Жыл бұрын

@@superJK92 Right. I get it. Just seeing if you could. Unfortunately, it's unusable, since there are no good drivers or patching for sound and game ports. Setting up DosBox is still a pain in the ass,, but you will have something usable in the end after all the effort. It's either period correct hardware or good modern emulation.

@IzludeTingel Жыл бұрын

any hope in getting EGA and CGA to display correctly even if someone were to try to push a driver? games like quest for glory (ega mode) stay on the prompt and don't display the game, although i can hear the game's music playing. already have dosbox, but the hobby of getting it all to run on metal is just satisfying.

@FantasyNero 18 күн бұрын

7:30 that when you used upscaling back in the day fsr or dlss they weren't available but that is an example

@intel386DX 8 ай бұрын

Dude, about artefacts try VGA monochrome driver, VGA 320x240 social driver, EGA or CGA. If the motherboard have PCI slot you can even try with S3 video card, they have drivers for 3.1x and can display 32 bit colors.

@dangerza 11 ай бұрын

There is a generic patched SVGA driver for Windows 3.1 on newer graphics cards that ^might^ fix the glitchy graphics . You can also try loading the SBEMU(If you have a modern soundcard such as Intel HD Audio) TSR before running Windows and then installing SB16 sound drivers to get sound working.

@frednora Жыл бұрын

I guess You can change the resolution in 'Windows Setup' >> 'Options' ... and maybe select different kind of support in the same driver.

@baazzman Жыл бұрын

i love your contents

@Viewer19 Жыл бұрын

The 32bit extention give internet access with a browser and makes 3.11 shown with ver /r

@songsan807 14 күн бұрын

I still have my original Packard Bell 486 with Windows 3.1. I believe there was a 3.1 and then a more stable 3.1.1 for Workgroups that fixed a lot of the issues. Spend so many hours daily tinkering with that machine from editing the config.sys and autoexec.bat to upgrading the ram and modem.

@bondjovi4595 Жыл бұрын

This is good to know. My copy of Leisure Suit Larry refuses to run. Doesn't work on Win XP, 7, 8, or 10. It works on 3.1 though.

@tikkasen_urakointi Жыл бұрын

It works, because the computer has a universal low-level application programming interface known as BIOS. MS-DOS and the 16-bit versions of Windows use BIOS for all I/O if they don't have device drivers. It is the BIOS that makes it possible that a software is compatible with so many different computers without any device drivers. Sadly UEFI does not make that possible - with UEFI the operating system has to support every piece of hardware separately to be even able to boot, and that's just not possible without continuous updates and maintaining the driver support. Small independent operating system developers don't have resources for that.

@nalaka3488 Жыл бұрын

This brings back so many memories

@vaualbus Жыл бұрын

windows NT 3.5 thN? Or you prefer MS-DOS based version?....

@prozacgodgamedev 11 ай бұрын

There is an upgraded driver you can install that should work fine and modern hardware it's an SVGA lib, it's pretty trivial to get and install for Windows 3.1.

@rafalserwata9184 Жыл бұрын

I think some settlers game have program which determines what GPU you have. Sometimes it crashed but I think..... It would help.

@numisB Ай бұрын

Can u plz try if old windows versions like windows 98 can handle 2 monitors?

@bertnijhof5413 3 ай бұрын

I installed Windows 3.1 in 1993 on a 486DX66 with a whopping 8MB of RAM. Shortly afterwards I replaced Windows 3.1 by Windows for Workgroups 3.11. In Jan 2011 I installed WfW 3.11 in a Virtualbox Virtual Machine and I still have a look at it say once a month.

@cattech4050 Жыл бұрын

This channel is underated

@fra4455 10 ай бұрын

Great vídeo

@jacktheripper6796 Жыл бұрын

nice video

@Retro_PC Жыл бұрын

Нужна видеокарта Ati X300 или ей подобная, одна из первых на PCI-E. Драйвер для видеокарты универсальный VGA для виртуальных машин. Тогда глюк с отображением картинки можно будет побороть.

@claudiotomasellabalthazar4745 Жыл бұрын

Could I install the LOTUS IMPROV spreadsheet in these Win 3.1?

@el_dallasyt Жыл бұрын

1:45 squadala,we're off!

@sysdir Жыл бұрын

What about Windows NT 3.51 or 4.0? could be fun to see that..

@michaelmcconnell7302 Жыл бұрын

nt4 was so good.

@joevaghn457 Жыл бұрын

NT 4 is 2000 or XP iirc

@michaelmcconnell7302 Жыл бұрын

@@joevaghn457 2000 is 2000. It's I believe it's nt5 (xp) without direct x and some other multimedia stuff.

@sysdir Жыл бұрын

@@joevaghn457 No, very far from. Win2000 was the successor of NT4. Win2000 is a very different OS. XP came much later and not relevant here.

@casualretrocollector 10 ай бұрын

Great video! Someone online in the vintage computer forum made modern drivers that work with modern sound cards! Goes by the name walters_world if I remember correctly.

@TEMHblU_PblUAPb Жыл бұрын

Thanks for files 😉🤗👍🏻

@damian9303 Жыл бұрын

The highest I could do with legitimate driver support do was a Pentium 2.

@thecount25 5 ай бұрын

Use a PCIe to PCI adapter and use a period-correct graphics card (some work, some don't)

@TechGamer64960 Жыл бұрын

"Hey there! Just wanted to let you know that the invalid opcode you're getting (FFFF 2603 0286) when trying to run Aladdin on your modern hardware might be due to compatibility issues. Some older software like Aladdin were designed to work on specific processor speeds, and if the speed is too fast or too slow, they may not work properly or may encounter errors like this one. It's also possible that the software is not compatible with the version of Windows being used. Hope that helps!"

@mrgps4393 Жыл бұрын

Solid Copy bro

@damian9303 Жыл бұрын

@@mrgps4393 that’s why there are quotations

@xavierrodriguez2463 5 ай бұрын

They need to bring back the turbo button 😔

@kappino Жыл бұрын

to enable sound you have to load the sound card drivers in ms dos

@TheAngelOfDeath01 Жыл бұрын

Opcode means Operational Code, or machine code instructions.

@maxe-200 Жыл бұрын

Can you install all versions of Windows in one device?

@dretax14 3 ай бұрын

7:46 invalid opcode stands for invalid assembly operation code. Possibly some sort of assembly instruction failed to execute to be parsed and understood by the CPU. 3:36 What are we surprised on? Windows kernel of course changed throughout the years. Most basic fundementals are still there though. Intel's assembly set was not modified that much, but extended. The only thing the coders had to be sure of to write good kernel drivers, and handle failures to prevent system shutdown, which was proper enough back in the time. The OS is so small compared to what we have now, It resides on the very basic fundementals we mostly build on top of nowadays. This is though a very short and smallified fact of the bigger picture.

@a.k.7840 Жыл бұрын

I don't have to imagine how painful it was. I lived it! My first OS was DOS 2.1 which I ran on an IBM 8088 with 512k of RAM, no HDD, two 5.25" Floppy Drives and a 4 color (CGA) monitor.

@DanTDMJace Жыл бұрын

CGA was NOT 4 COLORS! I know this is an overreaction, but SERIOUSLY! In *TEXT MODE, NOT GRAPHICS* CGA could do 16 colors.

@a.k.7840 Жыл бұрын

@DanTDMJace I believe you're referring to EGA. Enhanced Graphics Adapter. I know for certain I had a CGA graphics card and when I played games, or anything else it only produced 4 colors. CGA = 4 EGA = 16 Although, I'm rediscovering my knowledge has been limited all this time. It seems to depend on the resolution at which one operated and from what I can tell, the full pallete of 16 colors was only available at 160x100 or 80x25. At 320x200, only 4 colors however.

@Wizardof 10 ай бұрын

The ToastyTech man Nate would be proud son!

Жыл бұрын

amazing as a retro-tech feat, but way easier to use a VM, hehehe

@RamtechENG Жыл бұрын

Ofc it was easier to use a VM, but the real question was is it possible to install on a real hardware

@TIMEnasa1974-THKwon 10 ай бұрын

Time Travel is REAL & FREE. If you don't believe it watch this video. Thank you for that. Windows 3.11 was the most stable OS at that time.

@asanjuas Жыл бұрын

Supposedly Windows 3.1 is incompatible with freedos. The only release which works is the latest from Jeremy David but It doesn't work well

@michaelcooper4986 Жыл бұрын

Can't believe how fast it loads

@Wizardof 10 ай бұрын

Those graphics glitches tho... GDI+?

@Mr.Postal Ай бұрын

3:39 yes, Windows 3.1 is Super Stable u even can just make a CD-RW and use is as [Live CD] install dosbox on it and create a folder with some programs and ur windows 3.1 and just use it on any pc u wanna have it. and any other windows then after it was very unstable and just sucked. (yes even windows 95). I wish to to continue the development of windows 3.1 bc it was so simple and it runned very well. i might also do that.

@user-pk2cb1rs4b Жыл бұрын

niceeee

@chriswathen9612 Жыл бұрын

It's running in Standard mode rather than 386 enhanced. Unless you have a 286 you can normally only get Standard mode if you force it. I wonder if this is to do with the RAM you have fitted. The rumour mill for years is that WIndows 3.1 won't run with more than 512MB RAM fitted. I wonder if that prevented you from running 386 enhanced mode and so it's fallen back to Standard which then limits you to 16MB. With drivers, there is a generic SVGA 800x600 with 16 colours driver bundled which will often work with most graphics cards. This may clear up the glitches and give you a little more screen real estate. With the sound, back in the day even if you had a compatible sound card Windows would still be silent after install as the setup program does not install drivers for the sound card; this was a post-install task you had to do from Control Panel.

@mixmixture7049 10 ай бұрын

Size of windows 3.1 equal to my favorites video clip😅

@moccagringo2311 11 ай бұрын

try to installing Windows NT 3.51 you might have a better luck with all things hardware driver.. no promise though.. also Windows NT might failed to even boot, given it was a full blown OS unlike Windows 3.1

@perfectionbox 3 ай бұрын

Ohhhh Windows 3.1. Now I'll run Visual Basic 6 and make cool apps.

@eclecticreader961 Жыл бұрын

I don't understand the technology that is plugged into the driver via USB that allows Windows 3.1 to function on the modern computer, but it is fascinating to witness.

@RamtechENG Жыл бұрын

It can be possible because of modern BIOS

@adultmoshifan87 11 ай бұрын

I’m planning to build a gaming PC next year and of course it’s going to run Windows 11, although I do plan to also make it Windows 12 ready, but I would also like some means of playing old games on it meant for Windows 95 and Windows XP. I’d particularly like to play Virtual Springfield again, being a Simpsons fan, but I’d also like to check out Lego Island, a title I missed out on as a kid, and one title that’s been on my mind for years is Supreme Snowboarding because a Dreamcast version of it was planned but abandoned! There is the issue of older titles not accepting USB gamepads, how can I get around that? Thanks.

@RamtechENG 11 ай бұрын

I think the best way is to use DOSBOX for old dos games or any emulator for another

@jamesparson Жыл бұрын

Time to upgrade to Windows for Workgroups 3.11

@override_fun 2 күн бұрын

what games can you play?🤔

@Doomslayer151 Ай бұрын

Fix the graphics and install full compatible drivers

@NexXxus86 4 ай бұрын

bruh, conventional memory is never higher than 640K. the rest is the upper memory area with extended memory, MSDOS can address 64MB in total, which you can see there.

@philipmurphy2 Жыл бұрын

Well this is retro operation systems for sure.

@VenusPowerMakeUp Жыл бұрын

intersting!

@kangtri3683 3 ай бұрын

From the past to the present "Windows" NEVER CHANGE! believe me...🤣 Start - Setting - Explorer

@beastergamer1865 Жыл бұрын

can you give a link to the 3.1 file? i cannot access any .img files, becasue it says its corrupted, also does this install to the USb stick, or the hard drive?

@RamtechENG Жыл бұрын

You can flash .img file using a program Win32diskimager. It can flash your image and you can boot from usb

@beastergamer1865 Жыл бұрын

@@RamtechENG and will this install to the hard drive? because when i used freedos to install windows 98, it installed to the USB

@freevbucks8019 Жыл бұрын

Teason why it works well: uses standards more

@IAmMeomeo Жыл бұрын

I presume the reason windows 3.1 worked better then windows 98 is due to windows 98 being 32 bit and 3.1 being 16 bit, aka it doesnt need to load a bootloader.

@LibertyWarrior68 Жыл бұрын

It's going to be the fasted computer on earth.

@TheBrawl 7 ай бұрын

Windows 3.1 has never looked so good.

@conza1989 Жыл бұрын

Like the video

@allesNorris Жыл бұрын

you need svgaptch for 256 colors

@rodginator Жыл бұрын

Is this the end?

@acehandler1530 Жыл бұрын

Ok, well this is like riding a Penny Farthing in the Tour de France. Or a pedal-car in an F1 race. Can be done...but WHY!!?

@robman501a Жыл бұрын

I'm assuming you switched your BIOS from UEFI to CSM?

@RamtechENG Жыл бұрын

Yes, but it was enabled by default. You can just use boot menu and choose USB in legacy mode or UEFI

@robman501a Жыл бұрын

@@RamtechENG You know what would be neat, is an UEFI boot loader that will let you load the legacy and modern operating systems. This way you can boot to DOS or Windows 11. Also, have you tried loading Windows 3.1 with MS-DOS 6.22? Any difference than Windows 3.1 on MS-DOS 7.10 CDU version?

@mrgps4393 Жыл бұрын

Do it bro just go do it. Win 1 and Win 2

@madmotorcyclist Жыл бұрын

Try running Windows predecessor even before DOS, CPM, on a modern PC then I will be impressed.

@cougar9902 Жыл бұрын

This is end? Of course not :D

@zijinzhang20 Жыл бұрын

Oh,no! Remote memories!

@rwdplz1 Жыл бұрын

The most painful windows install is 98, on 39 floppy disks.

@MonochromeWench Жыл бұрын

GPU wise you'll probably have better luck with an old ATI PCIe grahpics card or possibly even just some recent AMD one. Nvidia's vga compatibility has never been great

@robman501a Жыл бұрын

I find the Intel HD graphics of the Core i3 380m chip displays Windows 3.1 just fine. No artifacts of any sort.