i remember it would happen on a scratched copy of Vice CIty, you'd fall through the map

​@@CropDudia480pI had that with San Andreas too, usually after the map load in you also get free money if you were in a car because game thinks you made some tricks in the air

I think it happened a few times for me in 3D GTA games. Probably Vice City.

I remember having mini load screens if I drove to fast in san andreas on my original xbox due to the disc being pretty scratched up.

Which NVMe did you go for please?

hdd mode is a leftover from when the game first launched

SSD havent been cheaper than today

I may be weird but even with 8tb in fast NanD storage, I still have 14tb in HDD storage that I use to this day for games There's just some games that don't need to be on an SSD, and I'd rather just keep them off of it at that point

@@mikeycrackson or how many people still use 4-6 cores like its 2008/2009 Or 16gb of RAM like its 2015... So many folks with underpowered PCs, but HDDs are one that can cause weird issues for sure

@@mikeycrackson I've noticed a lot of experts on KZfaq speak as if the GPU is the only important part of a gaming rig. It is crucial, but any system is only as good as it's weakest link. As I say, though, you can always get a small SSD to store your "current" game on and swap things around as you change.

bla bla bla lmao. It's 2023 not 2003. Stop using a HDD. And SATA SSD? is only 500mb/s max too.

​@@insertnamehere4419it's not so much about raw bandwidth but more about random iops and mixed operations. SSDs are just more responsive and handle multiple programmes better. That being said, I'll keep using my HDD even with copious amounts of SSD space. Some games just don't benefit from SSDs at all and would just hog space

​@@insertnamehere4419 When someone shares something and you have an opinion about it do it like a gentleman. if you say it like that in front of anyone IRL you will get a punch right in that mouth of yours.

@@insertnamehere4419 First. I said "I USED to run my computer" that way "BACK IN THAT DAY". My current computer has NVME and my hard drives have turned into a NAS. Second. SATA3 run at 600mb/s max.

@@chronossage OOOH SNAP 600mb/s vs 500. MY BAD. You sure schooled me. Point is, a NvME makes SATA look slow as hell, and SATA is BLAZING fast vs a HDD. HDD's have no place in modern gaming.

Depends on your standards, I suppose. It ran well enough when it was tested on this channel with an RX 6400, which is about equal to the old minimum GTX 780 and 8% less performant than the RX 470 minimum (according to TechPowerUp). The new minimums are about 30% higher than the old, though, which is why I've taken the game off my wishlist and am no longer waiting for it to go on sale at a time I have money (there'$ a rea$on why I'm u$ing an RX 6400 in$tead of a better card. :/ Fortunately, most of the games I like are older and indies, so it's good enough).

True, but things were always going to eventually hit this point. When the new consoles went SSD internally, the train really left the station so to speak. Having a quick loading game should be the norm in the future. Tech like DirectStorage and RTX I/O will improve things for the better once they have wider adoption, which in turn will spur more studios to require a SSD for their games. HDD still has a place as bulk storage for inactive games libraries and other purposes and even playing older retro games that wouldn't benefit from SSD speeds very much - then again retro games are going to be a lot smaller in install size, to the point where if you have a big enough SSD it almost doesn't matter anymore.

Only some games have longer loading times. For many i really cant give a fuk waiting 30 seconds instead of 10. But because i found M2 1tb for cheap i bought it just because i could. For now only Starfield has noticeable impact, because it has a lot of loading screens, so m2 is welcomed.

Ssds are also dirt cheap so idonno what the problem is

@@jay-5061 the quality hdds are more reliable for long term storage. Also popular manufactures of ssds like Samsung and others are not that cheap. 1tb Samsung m2 still costs over 80 90 or even over 100 euros. I got 2tb hdd for about 60 euros i think 2 3 years ago. Now i bought Kingston m2 ssd 1tb because it was on discount. But nowdays 1tb is nothing. 5 games can take 500gb of space. Not counting if someone keep downloaded files on disk also, thats even more extra space.

@@jay-5061 i already have a hard drive that's been serving me well for decades. now ssd's are a requirement so the game doesn't become unplayable from stutter or missing textures. to me that's the only reason to not use a hard drive ,but a situation like this can be prevented by loading more stuff into ram during the loading screen or loading assets dynamically as you play. developers asking users to upgrade their systems makes sense as time goes on, but requesting for faster storage so the game doesn't turn into an unplayable mess is ridiculous, specially considering some users are already transitioning to 32gb of system memory. its cheaper to buy an ssd than it is to buy an extra 16gb of ram but ram is orders of magnitude faster than secondary storage, so much faster even the fastest nvme drives are a lot slower, so there's also no excuse to not use free ram as cache for (even more) game assets. what i wouldn't complain about are increased loading times. say a game has hdd mode like cyberpunk, a warning will let you know you might experience increased loading times from using this option because hard drives are slower. i would be much happier with that because loading times don't affect framerate consitency like asset streaming does. streaming also requires a faster cpu to decompress assets on the go, so loading stuff during loading screens should improve performance on systems with weaker cpu's as well. another good idea would be shipping the base game with lower resolution textures like kingdom come deliverance did. KCD comes default with 1080p textures and has a free dlc with 4k textures for those with enough vram. not having 4k textures installed by default sure lowers the time it takes to download all its 70+gb while also allowing for good gameplay experience when using a hard drive. you might still find the odd texture loading but to me, in my 150+ hours played i can't recall when it was the last time i saw a texture in the process of loading. i also have never come across missing textures. the game might not look absolutely stunning anymore but the textures sure do hold up to the modern day.

I like the idea of 16TB, so dont take this as attacking you. But. Isnt that putting all your eggs in one basket.

Ever since the 3TB Seagate Fiasco I don't like to buy high capacity HDD and instead opted for multiple lower capacity ones. Yeah it's probably already a decade ago, but it still lingers in my head.

That's not the greatest idea from redundancy pov, if your drive eventually fails, all your 16tb of data is gone...

@@w04hYeah, it's a really bad idea.

I use Samsung T7 portable NVMEs. They're pretty cheap.

It's still a thing, just don't label games as "bulk storage". But you're right about music and movies not taking as much space on drives nowadays, since streaming has been a lot more popular. I do take a lot of RAW photos though, so HDD for storage is still a good idea, since xTB SSDs are still lot more expensive than HDDs.

Well they had to do something right

Same. What do you wanna bet the next update will remove the HDD mode toggle?

I'm really excited to play cyberpunk but I'm waiting till I get a vr headset

@@zaidlacksalastname4905you must have some really nice hardware then

Ok ps4 guy

Lol PS4 guy hahaha

Thats how progress works, otherwise we would still use IDE drives and floppies. Imagine living in an era where you can get a microSD with 256 GB around 20 € and then compare its size and speed to a 90s floppy disk.

@@voyagerdeepspaceexploratio5023 Yep, but ngl floppy disk has some pretty good nostalgic value 😄

Never happened for me with HDD mode enabled.

That happens with weak CPU lol, there was a cutscene with some guys raiding the room with grenades, and the character just stood still with everything exploding, it was pretty badass and funny

@@leonardo25gabriel CPUs shouldnt cause this unlike its so slow that it cant deliver playable fps anyway.

@@leonardo25gabriel yeah but if use ssd with the same weak cpu. That not happen. Many modern games are design to read and load fast data on the fly. And it does take cpu power to read data. Your cpu will have to work more to read data from slow hdd compared to ssd.

I guess some people have used HDD to play CP2077 because game run on Win7 , but for like a year game require win10 , so my question is how someone think is good idea install win10 on HDD and then install CP2077 ??? , I remember when I though is agood idea to install win 10 on HDD , as I had free upgrate , that was wort idea ever , i reverted to win 7 quickly , only when I got SSD I installed win 10 and I can use without any issue... and idea to just have small ssd for win10 and then install CP on hdd is just crazy .

@@smilingpolitely12345 You are right, SSD's are cheap nowadays, so most people have one. But i assume there are stll some people with a 256GB SSD (Win 10 install) + 1TB HDD combi for games. 🙂

@@Beisepimp i have 160 gb ssd sata for the OS and 3 tb hdd for the games

@@Beisepimp That's precisely what I've got and I'm not feeling too happy about it nowadays, honestly I'd free up some space on my SSD for Cyberpunk but I've spend so much time just trying to download the update on my slow ass internet that I don't want to interfere with the install in case something messes up and I have to spend yet another 6 hours downloading

@@Beisepimp Yes , I plan to to do "gap filler" PC upgrate , I will get new mobo+cpu+ram but I will keep case , PSU (is new bought 8 month ago) , I will buy used gpu but will I keep ssd + hdd combo that I have now , I know that my new mobo will have 2 m.2 place , but I buy that when I will do full PC upgrate better cpu , more ram and new gpu xmas 2024 , so then I will get m.2 😀

i havent noticed a option to include hdd usage on msi afterburner i use that program daily

Inside the settings in Monitoring tab, there's a button right under the polling period setting. That's the list of installed plugin. PerfCounter has access to tons of metric from hdd, windows event, network utilization, ecc.. I'm not sure it's included in the defeult install but is pretty easy to find online

Good to hear :)

How you manage to have good enough PC to play CP2077 without SSD ?

@@smilingpolitely12345 easy, i had no use for ssd, like all it does is speed up loading time other then that never had a problem with stutters, on the other hand low fps is noticable so i just upgrade other parts that matter

same here but more so on texture and model loading

i have rx 6800 xt and 1tb hdd and 240gb ssd i played starfield on a hdd @@smilingpolitely12345

Yeah I imagine that’s likely to be the case

what do you mean by deteriorate? meaning hdd would soon be obselete?

@@Yerinjibbang for AAA open world games probably

@@Yerinjibbang Tbh they already are lol. They are good for mass storage of files and movies or whatever of course but for normal PC use theres really no reason to not have an SSD Boot and backup drive. You can get 1tb of SSD storage for 50 bucks and considering a 1tb hard drive is the same price why would you ever get the HDD

@@Yerinjibbang more glitches, more stutters and more missing textures… that said the game is supposedly finished now, no more expansions planned, so maybe it won’t change that much…

microSDs are generally slower than HDDs. External solutions are indeed decent with USB 3.1+. I upgraded to a music SSD a while ago to reduce loading times of my entire folders from a minute to a few seconds. The SSD is a M.2 Crucial MX500, reaching almost its advertised speed running over USB.

The thing with microsd cards tho is they may be ssds but they have like 0 controller no ram or anything that make actual ssds fast.

@@mryellow6918 I noticed actually on my Switch that a couple games became extremely slow to load - what I did was copied the data to my PC, formatted it using the official SD Formatter then copied the files back and the games loaded normally again. It's as if SD cards can get fragmented if the data is scattered around different blocks, despite being solid state storage

likewise its just fine i even got starfield to work on hdd.

me too

So it's perfectly fine to play the game on a HDD? Sweet was worried about this myself as it will be a while before I can get a Crucial p3

@@lordpotoo1375 Yeah, 90% of the time game runs very nicely, sometimes there is a problem with missing textures, but after fiew second all load in, remember, that faster drive with more cache, like 128 or 256mb will do a better job here than normal hdds with 64mb.

@@werwito6723 Much appreciated

raid 0 indeed more expensive but doubt itll have significant effect on games

i mean responsive

didnt test games back then since i got bluescreens

HDDs are very affortable as used specially during 2023 (example 1TB is possible for 10€) so by being bit smarter you get 3-4 of these cheap_badboys and you got yourself affordable semi-decent storage that has great ammount of storage.

Btw some older drives can be found even from dumpsters. Collected about 15x 500gb wd green drives back in the days from recording TV digi-box systems

That would actually be pretty cool.

SWBF2 you mean Star Wars Battlefront 2? Lol i played over 1500h on HDD and i never had problem.

Glad you have still been able to enjoy the game :)

That's a big CPU bottleneck in this game.

​@@chintoki Nah, a Ryzen 7 (even an old one without OC) keeps up with a 3070Ti just fine. He can just pump the settings. The 2700 was still fairly high end when CP released, and it's not a game you have to target 300 frames for.

@@BrusqueLee Regardless, it should be bottlenecking the 3070ti on Cyberpunk.

i have rx 6800 xt and ryzen 5 1600@@chintoki

Yea non combatant npc first hit to chest then head shot they died.

crystal disk isn't reliable, you should perform tests with something IT professionals use (easeus for example)

Nice :)

His hdd date of manufacture is 2012! 💀 my modern hdd has 256mb cache where as his has only 64mb

There are still some cases out there with a 5.25" drive bay for optical drives (I love my BD writers and physical media as well) and while a little awkward, there are external 5.25" USB enclosures for optical drives as well. My next case I'm mulling over doesn't have internal 5.25" bays, so if I want to keep using my drive(s) I will need to get the external enclosure.

Haha yeah

Sure, devs can definitely do much better at optimizing their games so that it just runs better in general, but the outdated hardware thing is also a reality. HDD's as primary storage falls into that category, as does 2nd/3rd/4th gen Intel CPU's etc. As painful as it is, computer tech moves on and gaming studios are always going to chasing the next big flashy thing, which whilst sucky, does also drive the industry forward.