Fishing is even more OP in my experience, don't need to bother with fishing rods either, just spear fish your way to high skill and you'll never go hungry a day in your life as long as you're in range of water. Kinda boring by comparison though.

@@Arbaaltheundefeated I mean that's also how ancient humans survived so I guess its pretty accurate too XD

@@Ugh718 Yeah, though I think PZ makes spearfishing appear a lot easier than it is. It might have been a big part of survival for many ancient communities, but they did it all their lives and with the guidance of their elders. For someone today to just pick up a sharp stick and go stab some dinner at the riverside? I think he would starve to death in short order, no matter how many books and magazines he read, hehe. My father actually fished river pike with bow and arrow for a while though, and with some success at that.

@@Arbaaltheundefeated I just downloaded the game. Will i get Exp from fishing even if i don't catch anything? Will leveling up fishing skill take long? Should i focus on crops maybe?

@@STAIR_WAY14 You only get exp when you catch something (and the bigger the fish, the more exp you get), leveling the skill isn't exactly fast, make sure to read the fishing skillbooks for best results, as fully reading the appropriate skillbook will mean every fish you catch is worth several times more exp. The best approach I find is to first get a basic home base in order and build up a small store of scavenged food, so that you won't have to rely on the fishing at least for the first few days you spend leveling it. If you have the opportunity to use a fishing rod that means a higher chance of catching fish, which means faster exp, but it's fine to just craft spears to fish with instead (bring a hatchet/axe and knife for infinite fishing, basically) and then just fast-forward your way though the grind. Farming is a very reliable food source of course, at least if done indoors, what to me makes fishing better (once you have gotten past those early levels in it) is that you can do it "on demand", and get food then and there, while crops obviously take time to yield results. I'd say focus on what you want to focus on, as it's all viable. :)

exactly. if you have carpentry you can build and walk on cities like in minecraft lol. not to mention in a nature build, itd the only thing that gets you a decent base with multiple floors

Agreed

Also the use of wood glue is amazing.

@@Not_that_Brian_Jones Dude r u in like every comment section I'm in or what lol

You are wrong in every kind of way you could be. Combat it what makes you survive for years. Not carpentry or any base you could build with it.

+It has OTHER purposes(aka uses)and not just those ones lol

in vanilla i do like 90% foraging, and then any cockroaches/crickets i find i put into stick traps for birds. with mods though, the other insects are added to the bird bait pool so trapping is actually worth the investment along with foraging.

Pfffft fruits... crops... animals.. Trash... Nothing... beats bugs... Lmfao... plus u can toss about a half million of em in a stove to max out cooking in like 30 seconds

@@bomjus1706 how dare you... giving away your bugs like that 😤

Unless you're doing something wrong, foraging is definitely not faster than farming, it provides food earlier, but in the long run, farming will save infinitely more time, as the amount of food you get from farming can last you MONTHS, it's inefficient in keeping your weight up though, much like foraging, but it can still be done, lots of time wasted eating food though. And no, you don' waste too much time with it, if you're planting cabbages, you can get away with watering it just once, IGNORING every single illness the plants may get and still harvesting everything.

And bugs... so... many... bugs...

I played a lot as a mechanic and metalworking 3 it's a must have for me. You can repair bodywork without it but much less effectively.

Good point there actually

@@KokoplaysMB Unless you mod the game for cars to be in worse shape, or maybe in a multiplayer server, it ain't a good point. Think of it this way: In your every day life, if you could get a new car at the price of a 10 minute walk and a jerrycan of gas, would you pay for a mechanic or body repairs? Probably not. With Electricity 1, Mechanic 2, an empty jerrycan, and the ability to tow vehicles if yo so choose, that use of metalworking is made completely obsolete. If you want to make your favorite sports car or ambulance last longer, yeah, it's fun to be able to repair them. But necessary? Not in the least.

@@fovarberma752 Why wouldn't it be necessary to be able to maintain good vehicles that are superior to others? What OP said is right especially that metalworking can be easily leveled.

@@CMcycle Because there are many in the wild, untapped; its not about quality, its about abundance: You can take the time and resources to fix a 1$ watch, or you can buy a new one that looks roughly the same.

@@holomatic1549 Or you can play standard settings, or less. I play with pristine vehicles on extremely rare, personally I find it more appealing to work on my metal working to get it up a bit so that I can maintain a vehicle. The game is meant to be played in the way you wish, thus why there is a sandbox mode. If you want there to be a million working vehicles, by all means that is your choice, however as many have stated, these are their opinions, no one here is wrong in their assumptions, but for standard gameplay, I would argue metalworking is a B, simply for the versatility of the skill, add on the fact chain fences are seethrough (unlike wooden walls), the use in mechanics, metal boxes, barred and sheeted windows, and more. Its actually a quite versatile skill.

Not anymore, disassembling now costs propane. You need refill every 10 tiles disassembled. Propane tanks were I think buffed, because you can refill from them 16x full torch and apparently they're more commonly found. Hurt my Short Blunt builds as well, but thankfully it's still doable finding enough propane and turn it into metal bars/pipes. I only had to learn which furniture dropped what to not waste propane. Also trying to keep low durability pipes/bars for crafting.

They're not very useful if you don't get hit.

@@KokoplaysMB that's true buuuut, unlike first aid you can level it up without getting hit

@@KokoplaysMB the thing is, you will get hit at some point. You’ve seen that one youtuber who lost his multi-year hardcore world to a baby zombie in minecraft, someone lost their 2 year character in zombies recently to a bite, it’ll happen at some point, it’s a matter of time

@@KokoplaysMB tailing literally making you like 10 times harder to kill at high level, sure maybe really experienced player can play without getting hit at all, but literally the objective of the game is to survive the zombie apocalypse. you can argue that leveling it is too much grinding and that s fair, but ur current point is basically saying i dont need proctection cause i wont get hit. i doubt you have not been hit at least once since you said that comment. even if you haven’t most ppl will eventually.

@@KokoplaysMB by that logic weapons aren't usefully if you don't fight

Good point there, I did not consider that.

So does long blade technically

@@pandapruitt2542 the axe skill buff one-handed axes and two-handed axes, whereas blades are separated between the short blade skill and the long blade skill, which each buffs their respective class of weapons.

@@ShiroIsMyName machetes are long blades but 1 handed so he is right

Good point, I should have mentioned that.

I'll be honest, kinda surprised you did not, as I said, your ranking was spot-on.

Having matured a bit into this game, I've come to almost exclusively play Unemployed with the +2 strength and +2 fitness traits - forget what they're called - as part of my build. It just pays off so much more in the long run than anything else I feel, because anything else you can level far quicker, and it makes such a big difference in your ability to deal with zombies early on too. Before I started valuing high starting physical stats or even falling for the temptation to take negatives for them, I was dying in the early game a LOT more often!

Sure mods change many things and can make certain lacklustre skills better, but I'm ranking this with vanilla only setup in mind as that's how most players start their PZ adventures.

@@KokoplaysMB Ah right. Guess the aiming one isn't really my thing yet as I only have 100 hours and up close and personal feels best🤘

Sure, higher skill in short blunt is great, but the importance of short blunt itself isn't that great. Sure, it's great to have it high, but is it more important than say strength or nimble? Not really.

@@KokoplaysMB I'm comparing it with Long Blunt by your criteria.

@@loudradialem5233 on average long blunt are just better than short blunt so long blunt skill is better.

@@loudradialem5233 longblunt has more range and becomes effective sooner. It's inherently better than short for those reasons.

Pretty sure that "overshadowed by everything but short blade until lvl 7" is a criteria bringing it lower. The fact it is decent higher level doesn't hide the fact that you could have been decent 1500 kills earlier. Besides, the lower reach diminishes your maneuvering room when dealing with an horde, meaning a smaller miscalculation, or slip-up will cause you to die. The only thing for it, as well as short blades, is how easy they are to find... Until you realize you can carve infinite baseball bats and spears...

Skill: *DRINKING*

Glad I could help!

Long Blades may as well not exist so I see Axes basically being the rarest in terms of weapons. I otherwise agree though. Handaxes are the best sidearms and Fireaxes are amazing and shouldn't be delegated for chopping wood.

What is a "sidearm"? You mean the hammer and screwdriver I keep for easy access on my belt? You axe mains are funny with your weapons-that-break. The crowbar is eternal. So much so that by using it, a sliver of eternity is bestowed on you, allowing any other weapon to tap into its essence. Thus, even your axes would be better after you master the crowbar. _"Master the crowbar, and you master yourself."_ -Sun Tzu

@@fovarberma752 crowbar loses 1/15 (so 6.66%) of it's max durability 1.4 % of the time (1.1 % if Maintenance is at 10) that it's used. - there's a 0.0016 % chance that at maintenance 10 it survives being used 1000 times. But technically there is a chance :D -- definitively not eternal :D

@@JulianSloman 1. That's a joke. 2. Use it that many times in normal settings, and tell me how many crowbars you loot off the back of zombies. Figuratively true.

@@JulianSloman Long live the crowbar!

Exactly

Good luck!

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Living in the wilderness and relying only on foraging might sound like a cool thing, but in reality (I did it for a series) it gets extremely boring really fast.

But that doesn't even make any sense lol

What is the least level of tailoring is useful to aim for in the beginning.. I don't even know how to level it up

@@conraddevera Tailoring is easy...just tear the clothes of every zom you kill. This will increase your tailoring at first, and provide you with threads and cloth. Also use scissors to tear leather jackets...keep the leather, that's the good stuff. Once you have lots of thread, take a random piece of clothing (I like to use a leather jacket, but coveralls are a nice choice too because they have so many tailoring slots) and inspect the item. Then right click, and add padding to all (Don't use your leather for this...just cloth). You'll need a needle and thread. You can find needles in sewing kits easily. Once you add padding to all slots, remove the padding from all slots. Then repeat...hundreds and hundreds of times. When you run out of thread, go tear some more clothes. The higher your tailor skill, the more often you get thread. You can put leather on your clothes any time...I'd say do that ASAP, and each time you level your tailoring remove the leather and reapply it for the bonus. Best jacket is leather jacket. Best pants is leather pants. You can also apply leather to your undershirt, scarves, and leather gloves. Every time you have a close call, ensure you inspect your clothes and patch any holes you may have gotten. Then SURVIVE FOREVER

@@fluffstuffpootiebean1688 oh wow I didn't know that. I Dont tear too much clothes bec I only keep a few rags for bandages.. OK thanks, now I have some use for all those clothes that I don't pay any attention

​@@conraddevera the problem is, leveling tailoring is sooo booooring. It's just waiting for the bars to fill up, rinse and repeat. Hoping it gets updated into something more engaging

@@mune_mune yeah, I agree. Maybe they can cut up clothes in different ways to get experience. Even crude reinforcement on the arms for bite protection or something

But some other skills deserve more recognition.

I mean u can just find books to increase ur electrical skills lol. +There's like a million other skills that are more important than that. Foraging comes to mind lol

@@Ugh718 Foraging is so easy to level its barely a skill to worry about. I would put having at least 2 electrical above any attempt to raise foraging. Besides if you need foraging as a skill you've already failed at the game or your playing wilderness survival, Where trapping and fishing are more useful.

AFAIK it also reduces the stamina consumption of running/sprinting itself. so it allows you to run faster for longer with more loot, top tier skill on my book

@@chupetaparamahboy ...but walking already outpace vanilla zombies.

@@fovarberma752 true, but if you plan on actually fighting zombies or like me murder everything on sight it becomes important. fighting with even the first level of exhaustion is a bad idea, eventually you want to break contact and rest which will most likely involve running. or maybe you're impatient and don't like to slow walk everywhere, either way it's good to have

​@@chupetaparamahboy *First: Not dissing you: There is not a bad skill, not a bad playstyle, nor a bad sandbox setting nor even a bad set of perks/flaws:* Remove Z infection and Zs draging down, and even First Aid becomes kinda good. But, to the average basic zombie apocalypse survivor, When it comes to fighting Zs, sprinting is outdone by the same level of Nimble. Granted: Nimble is a pain to level up. But with Nimble 2, take a weapon with knockdown, and you basically don't need to turn tail for a small jogs to maintain distance with an horde you fight. Or for the little bit you do, the stamina lost is inconsequential. And when it comes to going fast, with Drive 0 (and if you want it more reliable: Mech 2 and Elec 1), you get unprecedented armor (to the point you can sleep in the open), a carry capacity out the wazoo a super-yell perfect to empty places like the Prison or Military Base (Rosewood Represent!!!), and you can travel the map so fast it is dangerous. To the point that *_my friends consider Sunday Driver a perk._* Again, no judgement on your playstyle, but for those reasons, I'm *_never_* going to grind sprint the way I grind Maintenance ∞, Electrical 1, Mechanic 2, Carpentry 7 or even Fitness and Strength (even given how slow and costly those last 2 are to grind)... _and I would not recommend it to new players for which the list would be most useful._

Thanks, nimble is a great skill to have.

I do play with "fractures, vehicle damage and such". In fact I tend to play with insane zombie pop and try to make the game hard for me in any way possible. The thing is, the more you play, the better you get and the harder it is for zombies to ever touch you - making first aid pretty much a pointless skill.

@@KokoplaysMB I guess I am prone to get all Bo, Luke n' Daisy Duke on the sucker. Low and high time preference right?

@@Sarah-ok6xq I literally never got First Aid higher than level one, and I wounded myself on purpose after reading a book to level it up once. It confers no extra abilities, and a single scratch can kill you, regardless of how high your skill is. Placing it anywhere but thrash tier would be misleading new players.

@@fovarberma752 wow, misleading new players. See, style of play: I would tell a new player to select "bite only". Do you play with npcs? Seems like I was always stitching up my NPC spouse, but I kept him alive for like 6 months. Incidentally, my irl husband says "a man that doesn't pack a GD trauma pad doesn't give a flying F- or is a F-up, and ain't in my squad." IDK, I level it here and there and will watch the doctor show. I try to level my character in every way I can. Hope I don't make the game less fun for you there sweet pea!

@@Sarah-ok6xq *"I would tell a new player to select "bite only"."* If you select rear vulnerability for the player and/or drag down for the zombies, both on by default, I can assure you First Aid is still useless, especially for new players. *" Do you play with npcs? Seems like I was always stitching up my NPC spouse, but I kept him alive for like 6 months."* NPCs aren't in the base game. Even then, wounds are in 3 categories: "Will live even if unbandaged" / "need medical attention" / "if you're still in battle, you probably won't have time to heal yourself", and the only part where First Aid matters doesn't have much of an effect. *"I watch the doctor show."* Not a bad idea if you can put your hand on it. I do too. But I really don't go out of my way for it. See, the way I see it, you should be able to prepare your own medical supply (like poultices and sterilized bandages) and practice. Both actions should give XP. And you should get new abilities (recipes and actions) as you level up, and not have all those we have at the start. This would make First aid worth increasing, especially with NPCs and other players. Allow them to grind First Aid without just ramming themselves into trees, and the skill will be worthwhile. Otherwise: - Level 1 Craft Splint. Also, can make cardiac massage (Not if Exhausted. Time spent performing cardiac massage count only one-fourth for the resuscitation delay, Rapidly exhausting). - Level 2 Craft Crude Crutch (Takes an hand, penalty to speed from same side foot injury reduced by 70%) - Level 3 Make improved herb tea. Craft Blood Bag. - Level 4 Whenever you have at least one hand free, you bleed half as fast. During treatment of another human, the other hman bleeds at half the normal rate. - Level 5. Craft filtration mask (immune to Corpse Rot) - Level 6 Craft Antipoison - Level 8 Make actual Medicine (Beta-Blockers, Painkillers...) from specific Herbs - Level 10 Can resuscitate non-infected humans dead within 30 minutes in-game. Requires Blood Bag if the player was "bleeding" or worse, "food" if starving and/or too underweight, water if dying of thirst. If the dead had "hypothermic", both players' clothes are removed and 33% of the healer's body heat is transferred to the victim upon resuscitation.

Fighting methodically is always much much better than sneaking, it's just safer as you said.

after being spotted on the middle of a thunderstorm at night with my character that had all the traits that give sneaking buffs i completely gave up on sneaking

@@siluda9255 Real PZ chads never leave the walk stance. No sprint, no crouch!

@@Arbaaltheundefeated not even jog? recently discovered that shift is not sprint... just jog :D

@@JulianSloman Not even jog!

This is America baby

Fighting several zombies is what you do most of the time, so you're trading away crits for short blades being easier on endurance loss.

there's no way that crit logic applies to the spear though right? because then it would take multiple swipes with a spear to kill a zombie without crits and that's not at all what i'm experiencing in my current playthrough. i can still one or two shot a zombie with the swipe attack rather than the spear stab attack.

@@bomjus1706 It does not seem like it. The spear only does the stab insta kill animation if there are no zombies that are very close to you. I have had situations where that animation has almost led to me being attacked so the radius is pretty small. If there are several zombies close to you it just insta crit kills it seems.

@@bomjus1706it’s not the case for either. Short blades and spears have 3 types of attacks. Normal, crit and special. Special attacks always one shot, crits not so much unless your strength, weapon skill and damage are high enough. Crit is everything in this game.

True

I know how it sounds but sneak builds are less safe than pretty much any other builds.

@@KokoplaysMB I know how it sounds but i use out of shape and weak

For me at least it’s because tailoring activity decreases the chance of a injury from a zed but first aid just speeds up the recovery but kinda no point on recovery if you got hurt from a zed

Thank you Robert

Awww yisss!

Walking barefoot on broken glass doesn't seem like to much fun. Also you don't need first aid if you don't get hit by zombies.

@@KokoplaysMB Yeah, you just make it some stay-at-base reading days / tailoring practice with plenty of good food. Maybe do some crafting, gardening too. If you get hit by zombies chances are good you're infected - that's pointless, character's already dead. Rapidly healing from accidentally tripping, going over a fence, having to jump out of a window or off the second floor as an emergency escape maneuver or ending up with a fracture when you forgot to check a roof tile or are building a third floor though... that's handy for a whole ten minutes of fast forwarded work.

Thanks!

Shogun is a bit afk and Ghul doesn't seem to be too excited to play PZ again unfortunately. I did play with Ella on wednesday, you might wanna check that stream VOD out, we had a lot of fun killing hundreds of zeds in Louisville

Yeah but if u pick Park Ranger u get a big boost to ur foraging RANGE,so that's way better,because it increases ur chances of finding everything,not just ammo;)

@@Ugh718 the bonus from vet is higher is 50% more ammo meanwhile ranger is 0%

@@Projolo Yes I know that but I'm just saying that the Park Ranger will always find the most stuff due to his foraging range bonus(and especially the wild herbs and such stuff bonus)

@@Ugh718 Honestly after testing out vet you are totally right. You almost never find ammo even as vet.

@@xursed7990 Wait really?Damn is ammo really THAT freaking rare XD

I can understand that if you're playing multiplayer with a bunch of inexperienced players new to PZ. But once everyone learns how to play, first aid skills really are not needed.

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I am not sure if you never stop killing because of the high pop bringing reinforcements, or if the 3 zombies you do fight take an eternity and a half to dispatch.

@@fovarberma752 more than short blade 3 is almos insta every zombie . Wtf are u talking about.... knifes has the most high crit chance ... and i take burger fliper / fast learner

@@giulianosartorio4639 First, let me admit that I got to check the stats and... the Hunting Knife specifically isn't THAT bad. If you get an XP boost in both short blades and maintenance, it must make for a decent character nevertheless. *Still,* I'm talking that the top base damage of short blades (Hunting Knife) is 0.6 to 1.2. It's knockdown is inexistent. It's condition lower chance is 15, making it unreliable. And, once more, the only knife with a crit chance that high is the hunting knife.

@@fovarberma752 again , ull never get tired with that... im aint saying its the best build, i just say its MY best build... just try it, at least one time. Long blade = hard to get Long blunt = tired Spear = good but tired too and break often, still meta for me Short blunt = easy to get, but meh Axes = are okay, but again tired fighting against x16 zombies and theyr are hard to get and easy to break Short blade = never tired, easy to get (in lv7+ u can get instant w a spoon) , with x16 ull get hunting knife after u break one, from zombies ... with high dex u are the fastest mf in the world . Plus , in high lvs its very easy to get the backstab , and u can clean an entire house without fight

@@giulianosartorio4639 Yeah, tbh my fav. combat skills are Nimble and Maintenance, and that will forever skew me toward the crowbar: I'll have a hard time not to use it before anything else. Plus reach and getting your weapon back after a jaw attack is annoying as fuck. *But I will try.* Probably burger-flipping handy hunter.

I had to google who that was, thanks :D

Smart

I just run at a 20 horde with a crowbar and level 9 fitness/strength while eating a burrito for extra strength from well fed moodle and it works well

He is playing with extremely rare loot. You are lucky if you find 2. More often than not it will be just 1.

You're never going to kill as many zombies in melee and you're never gonna be as safe when fighting as when you're standing in range.

Step 1 - Create veteran character (panic influence guns a lot). You may take the hunter trait. Step 2 - Find a double-barrel shotgun (they don't jam) and a lot of ammo. Step 3 - Farm Aiming level 5. Careful, shotguns can miss the frontmost zombie that is highlighted. You may be surprised at how fast you go up if you maximize your shots. Step 4 - Take an heavy pistol like the M1911, or Desert Eagle. Make sure you have plenty of ammo clips, boxes of ammo, and attachments. Step 5 - See how fast you can dispatch a group of 20+ (yes, it'll require 2 reloads). Step 6 - Post kill count and number of hours played as a reply to this post.

Just don't get hit

@@KokoplaysMB hahaha but u will, this is not super smash bross, Isai. U can make a similar argument for every skill. Cooking, trapping, fishing: dont run out of canned food. Carpintery: just kill u dont need to build. And so on...

@@KokoplaysMB mechanics, dont crash ur car.

*Spends hours in-real life putting and removing patches.* _Did not find a white scarf._ *Neck is only protected by leather jacket.* _Panic as misjudged melee range from a horde._ *Zombie attacks back, bite the neck.* At least, if you start a new character in the same world, it (should) gets clothes good enough he won't need to gring the "apply patches to all" function...

With the mod list I use, mechanics is really only useful for swapping out damaged parts to either stretch the life of an existing vehicle, or turning a passable one into a great one. Tailoring, however, is definitely more important, to protect from both the zeds and hostile NPCs added by the configuration of Superb Survivors that I use

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1 - Double-Barrel shotgun. Shotgun that doesn't jam. Useful in the hands of the unskilled. Power-leveling. 2 - JS-2000. Shotgun that jams. Still useful in the hands of the unskilled. Power-leveling. 3 - M9 Pistol. Not too noisy, decent damage, decent clip size, plentiful. 4 - M1911. Decent punch, frequent ammo type. 5 - M36. Silent, but a bit on the weak side, and revolver means reliable but need to reload often. 6 - Every other pistol and revolver, ex-aequo. Because their ammo os rare or shared by a better gun. 7 - Rifles.

Between 15-150 depending on the size of the fish

@Dimitri Alves foraging is a supplement to trapping or fishing imo. not a replacement. insects can be used for bird traps or for bait. you can forage farmland for fruit to bait rabbit traps. foraging for medicinal plants to add to cooked meals for happiness bonuses or for poultices. in my current MP game, i forage for insects frequently and since insects are non-perishable, we're saving up dozens of them for the winter . survive off of mushrooms/berries/spear fishing in the summer. and then use all the saved up bugs in the winter. grasshoppers/crickets/cockroaches for trapping birds. all the other insects used as fish bait.

Higher farming gives you more info on plants so if you're going the farmer way you get an idea what's happening with them and if they have diseases.