Ranking Destiny 2’s Strongest DPS Metas

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Have you ever wondered what the best DPS option would be if every nerf was undone? What if Throwing Hammers had Banner of War? What if quickswapping slugs was done using Surrounded and Rain of Fire? How do today’s rockets stack up against last year’s Sleeper? As a Beyond Light player, I was never around to experience Swarm of the Raven and auto-loading Lunafactions, so this video was something I’ve been wanting to make for a while. Today, we’ll attempt to answer this long-standing question: if we could compare every DPS meta in Destiny 2’s history in today’s sandbox, what would win?
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Timestamps:
00:00 Intro
01:19 Thunderlord
02:32 Retrofit Escapade
03:34 Swarm of the Raven
04:20 Stormchaser
05:33 Falling Guillotine
06:31 Izanagi’s Burden
07:21 Sleeper Simulant
08:31 Double slug Anarchy
09:58 Izanagi HGL (“bilibili”)
11:12 Triple GL
12:06 Berserker abilities
13:18 Cold Comfort
14:04 The Fourth Horseman
15:11 Shield Bash
15:52 Throwing Hammer
17:18 Outro
Clip credits, in order of appearance (repeats omitted):
Leviathan, Gladd: • Prestige Leviathan Wor...
Root of Nightmares, Clawtivity: • Root of Nightmares Spe...
Quickswap tribute, Yippa: • Destiny 2 quickswap tr...
Anarchy Mountaintop comparison, Ehroar: • Anarchy + Mountaintop ...
Thunderlord damage, Prelapse: • Thunderlord's DPS is b...
Retrofit Escapade damage, Aztecross: • The New DPS KING I Ret...
Retrofit Escapade damage, Datto: • Destiny 2: Why Are Peo...
Swarm of the Raven damage, Sweatcicle: • SWARM OF THE RAVEN VS ...
Stormchaser damage, Above: • The STORMCHASER Destro...
Briar’s Contempt damage, Seiun: • full akelous
Falling Guillotine damage, Vendetta: • Kell Echo Solo One Pha...
Izanagi’s Burden damage, Treezy: • Garden of Salvation Wo...
Izanagi’s Burden damage, zesty: (private clip)
Double slug Anarchy damage, Crew: • Destiny 2 Prophecy Fir...
Bilibili damage, w66: www.bilibili.com/video/BV15V4...
Triple GL damage, boop: • Solo Argos in 2 Phases
Berserker damage, Saltagreppo: • Duo Crota, Son of Oryx
Cold Comfort damage, Beni: • Ballidorse Pov
Fourth Horseman damage, Cheese Forever: • Game Breaking Delete ...
Fourth Horseman damage, Ritz: • Lore Accurate Fourth H...
Fourth Horseman damage, Saltagreppo: • Solo Nezarec in 1 phase!
Shield Bash damage, faldo: • Duality WR Speedrun [6...
Shield Bash damage, Tobi: • 5:32 Glassway gm platinum
Throwing Hammer damage, Aoterra: • Killing Atheon in less...
Throwing Hammer damage, Vendetta: • Killing Captain Avarok...
Throwing Hammer damage, Newo: • Solo Riven with Throwi...
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@harrowedchaos 10 ай бұрын

I think something forgotten was how Buffs and Debuffs used to stack, so I think a future comparison could having all of the old stacking rules included with what we have now (eg. well + bubble + empowering melee + tether + surges + Foe for older metas)

@oNextq 10 ай бұрын

The forsaken year was unhinged 😂 shit was so broken fun asf but so broken

@Based_Shogun 10 ай бұрын

It wasn't forgotten as it was shown on screen for some combos.

@byr_n 10 ай бұрын

Miss melting point + bubble in d1

@IronChief13 8 ай бұрын

@@oNextqseason or the drifter was one if the funniest just because of that. Well + empowering melee + infinite nova bombs + infinite tether

@Kami6969 10 ай бұрын

15:13 this aged well “Weapon Craft Glitch has entered the chat”

@TheShadowPhoenix 10 ай бұрын

You’re doing incredible work for both yourself and the community. Thank you. It is greatly appreciated

@benallen4591 10 ай бұрын

I think the other big thing for swarm of the raven was spike nades, it didn’t matter what other perks it had as long as it had that.

@TheAegisRelic 10 ай бұрын

Yeah of course I kind of glazed over that thinking it was implied since it's not a standard damage perk

@thegreatwhitechonk7464 10 ай бұрын

Throwing hammer was genuinely one of the most fun things I ever messed around with. Shield bash was also fun but it felt more fun to chain the abilities infinitely with Hoil instead.

@thomkie5984 10 ай бұрын

The speed at which I clicked on this notification

@ExpiredVexMilk 10 ай бұрын

Relatable asf

@emeraldsaiyan4953 10 ай бұрын

@ostsmulor 10 ай бұрын

It just teleported to my hand💀

@max73916 10 ай бұрын

glazing

@Mark-wr8td 10 ай бұрын

@@max73916nobody likes you

@jupiterbupiter 10 ай бұрын

I love how in-depth you go with these for theorycrafters and others alike like me. I've been coming back to this constantly over the past 1-2 months, hopefully you keep updating it

@x9x9x9x9x9 10 ай бұрын

Double slug anarchy quick swapping was my favorite. I really wish they would bring that back as an option.

@jonahbrown5669 10 ай бұрын

You can still quickswap slugs

@mariokartwii6663 10 ай бұрын

@@jonahbrown5669 you can swap back and forth between 2 slugs. that's not quickswapping

@x9x9x9x9x9 10 ай бұрын

@@jonahbrown5669 Not as easy as it used to be. I know it can be done with ophidians or dragon shadow but it used to be available on all classes without an exotic.

@blufferoniandcheese3628 10 ай бұрын

you can just run heritage and nessa's with reconstruction. just fire all heritage, fire all nessas, repeat

@x9x9x9x9x9 10 ай бұрын

@@blufferoniandcheese3628 That's boring. Learning to quick swap and executing it felt cool.

@keenanthornley7680 10 ай бұрын

One thing to note about Swarm of the Raven is that it was meta at a time period where it was an aggressive frame, and not rapid fire frame. Going into Season 10, they changed all aggressive frame heavy GLs into rapid fire frames, and removed the aggressive frame archetype for heavy GLs. They did this because aggressive frames had the rate of fire of rapid fire frames, but had the damage of adaptive frames. This meant there was no reason to use rapid fire or adaptive frame heavy GLs.

@TheAegisRelic 10 ай бұрын

Yep that's why I used the rapid fire rate numbers but the scaled Swarm damage :P thanks for the insight

@warv6552 10 ай бұрын

Slight correction: Rapid fire frames entirely never existed until the nerf. Meaning there was only Adaptive and Aggresive

@demonjoe 10 ай бұрын

Literally one of the best channels in the community, well done!

@michaelliu5260 10 ай бұрын

This is super well made. I appreciate your dedication and attention to all the right details you made in this video

@_luckoftheirish_7600 10 ай бұрын

I really appreciate the work and testing you do. With how vague destiny is with "weapon impact" instead of actual numbers and "boost weapon damage" without shown percentages to weird rounding and boss coding and everything in between, its very helpful and important to know how and why the damage is what it is in game. You've done an incredible job helping understand the stuff bungie never explains.

@youngmophead 10 ай бұрын

Dude you have such a great style of content that nobody else even comes close to, watching you go from niche community member to growing youtuber is awesome

@nickanthony518 10 ай бұрын

This video was very nostalgic. Thank you for bringing me back and spending all the time u did on this video. You after the few videos I've seen are my favorite destiny content creator.

@MalrosJade 10 ай бұрын

This channel is absolutely gold. Thank you so much for posting

@SanjiTheZoroSlayer 10 ай бұрын

Really appreciate how in depth you go with your vids keep it up bro

@luk4aaaa 10 ай бұрын

Loved the video, your format, explanation style and voice make your videos so nice and easy to watch. Thanks for being the GOAT of the D2 end game

@chriscunningham8703 10 ай бұрын

Appreciate all your hard work 💜 great vid

@coleschmit770 10 ай бұрын

You and Llama are my absolute favorite d2 youtubers rn you guys are killing it keep it up i love these vids

@totojake91707 10 ай бұрын

Bro I love your vids, they're so informative keep it up :D

@SavoryParty 10 ай бұрын

Great video kinda knew that would be at the end.

@HeyRozza4 10 ай бұрын

I started playing since Destiny 1 - played Destiny 2 since release, pausing for a few months here or there, and my favourite meta was the quick swapping of eater of worlds. It felt like driving a manual car - lots of buttons to press and get right to do it correctly. Good fun! Also wanted to point out how godly you are with that many raid clears - my most cleared raid was Prestige Leviathan at 38 clears!

@brisxi9780 10 ай бұрын

Came from the first stream you did on making this vid nice work brother

@fluff0000zz 10 ай бұрын

200% amazing video its so good to see as a new player

@KoHaku1229 10 ай бұрын

Thank you for the great work! Truly increadible

@strad1024 10 ай бұрын

Your content is a dream for nerds like me, thank you for doing such great work for the community

@tbone_ii 10 ай бұрын

sick video totally forgot about izanagis nerfs very good trip down memory lane

@shiznay5072 10 ай бұрын

As someone that has been playing since D1 Dark Below huge respect for starting at beyond light and understanding the game so well you put in the work fr

@shiznay5072 10 ай бұрын

A true gamer right here

@koraysahin8778 10 ай бұрын

thank you for this nostalgic ride❤️

@kicknollingwood6887 10 ай бұрын

This was a fun trip down memory lane

@calebberg1113 10 ай бұрын

I think either a video about, or a column ranking ease of use for some of the better damage rotations would be pretty cool. It'd be sweet to find an lfg (especially sherpas), judge their skill from the opening, then suggest damage loadouts based on that. Also I wanna do good damage, but I only want to sweat a little ;P

@TheAegisRelic 10 ай бұрын

Yeah there's something coming down the pipeline for that :)

@Dzlxn 10 ай бұрын

Been watching for a minute and can say that I trust you with your evidence it has help me become a better player

@henrymoxley5114 10 ай бұрын

This is pretty awesome. Im a smidge sad you forgot liars handshake

@bragekv9937 10 ай бұрын

great video!

@TitanSkateD2 10 ай бұрын

I miss the melee builds so much. Some things that might change the values a bit that came into mind: -Pre-nerf 1-2 punch was 4.5x damage against boss combatants for your melee. -There was a bug where you could swap from Wormgod Caress to Synthoceps and keep both of their damage buffs at the same time. -There was another bug that allowed you to "Two-Four Punch" where if you shot 2 1-2 punch shotguns fast enough after each other they would stack and gives a 20.25x damage boost to bosses. -IIRC Banner of War doesn't work with throwing hammer right now (but before the "ranged melee" changes it would work with it just as 1-2 punch doesnt work with hammer right now but it used to in the past). -Pre-Shadowkeep but after Warmind, weapon buffs stacked mutiplicatively infinitely so with the current sandbox and previous sandboxes mixed with all the different types of buffs their damage would be astronomically higher. -When released, Witherhoard would instakill bosses on occasion if 6 people shot the boss at the same time, doing seemingly infinite damage. -When released Winterbite would do around 2 million DPS if you Alt+F4 as it was reaching a target. -When released, if 6 Shadebinder Warlocks did their right click super attack on a frozen at the same time it would instantly kill them doing seemingly infinite damage. -When released, Blight Ranger had a bug where you could transfer its 6.5x damage to weapons.

@eratheoracle 10 ай бұрын

i think banner of war does work with thrown melees, 1-2 is the buff that doesn't currently stack with them

@TheAegisRelic 10 ай бұрын

Okay this is too much cooking help

@VIIIrats 10 ай бұрын

I’d be interested in hearing about the recent crafting bug. Wouldn’t call it a “meta” exactly, because of how short it was. But i’d be interested in learning the math on some of those, like aggressive frame retrofit escapade.

@TheAegisRelic 10 ай бұрын

Yeah I might add it to the sheet

@aldeliss844 10 ай бұрын

Great video keep it up

@DashunicornII 10 ай бұрын

Holy shit dude, as a casual this is all so fascinating to me. Really helps me understand what we are truly capable of in this game, even if i may never execute one of these rotations with a reliable fireteam. I'll just stick to good ol'ghally, well, and rockets, and go for that reliable two - three phase lol. But great job man, i love your passion for this and i hope you see much success.

@ISauceItUp 10 ай бұрын

I remember getting izanagis burden catalyst around the same time I got enhanced sniper loader. It was one of my favorite weapons

@AConspicuousLamp 10 ай бұрын

Ah I remember hearing about the Swarm of the Raven strats for Gahlran, but never got around to doing the raid. Good memories of the Guillotine shenanigans though. Throw on Oppressive Darkness, equip Witherhoard + Gnawing Hunger + Guillotine, and its the Season of Arrivals special haha. Looked like a field of purple dots showing up on Io during Contact. Then it got nerfed, Beyond Light launched and The Lament said "Round 2". Good times.

@paul2725 10 ай бұрын

new Aegis video the day is saved

@brandendunagan8822 10 ай бұрын

I think it the fact that all you had to do was stick something with anarchy and spam fire mountaintop in a well with really insanely good ammo efficiency allowing use against literally anything in the game that made it my all time most busted loadout. It was better than everything else and better by a mile.

@Atraks-1_MILF_Exo 10 ай бұрын

I have been trying to get a god roll Swarm of the Raven from Iron banner this entire week just to honour it's legacy. Also you forgot the Outbreak Perfected meta when rift/barricade auto loading was still a thing. Swarm + Outbreak was a popular combo back then because Swarm did massive heavy damage and Outbreak as a primary used to easily do a few million points of damage pretty quickly.

@galenthomas7322 10 ай бұрын

This was a fun blast to the past

@galenthomas7322 10 ай бұрын

I've been playing since day 1 d1 and oh boy this made me happy

@Alckee6904 10 ай бұрын

10:00 so glad to see some bili bili acknowledgement.

@Brrrstrument 10 ай бұрын

ive been here since the last third of season of the hunt, i only just got duality before it ended, things changed a lot

@TheDomtie 5 ай бұрын

this has to be the best endgame channel on here

@jordini1255 10 ай бұрын

Double slugs was so fun i miss it

@Beibangwen 10 ай бұрын

Surprisingly, Thunderlord did have its time as one of the best! It was very short, though. After Festival of the Lost during Season of the Forge, it was on top with Hammerhead (the only 2 machine guns at the time), SOLELY because of its ammo and being heavy, along with pre-nerf Lunafaction Boots/Rally Barricade. This was before Thunderlord was buffed to proc lightning bolts more frequently years later. But it quickly ended once more people started acquiring Swarm of the Raven, Anarchy, Whisper, Sleeper and other better options and strats were found

@TheAegisRelic 10 ай бұрын

Yeah from what I understand it had a very brief stint and people quickly found better options

@alex62965 10 ай бұрын

I miss the volatile thing with retrofit, was alot of fun

@mobracs 10 ай бұрын

surprised that none of the old starfire protocol rotations made the list tbh, they were pretty crazy for a while.

@TheAegisRelic 10 ай бұрын

Starfire from Haunted until nerf was actually vastly overrated, you can check my damage rotation ranking video for more details on that

@angrypenguin8 10 ай бұрын

from my understanding, starfire was never good burst damage. it was infinite total damage. it let you keep going and dumping rockets and high damage grenades basically forever. that's not really needed now, due to insane rocket power creep

@Alckee6904 10 ай бұрын

@@TheAegisRelicthis

@deadchannelfrom2018 10 ай бұрын

@@TheAegisRelicyou’ve been right about everything EXCEPT this comment.

@marceletta 10 ай бұрын

@@deadchannelfrom2018i mean, he's not wrong. Total damage was in theory, infinite, however the DPS of it was absolute trash. The only reason it was even viable in DPS rotations is because demo would allow you to substitute reloads with a little bit extra damage. On its own though, it was terrible.

@atheon- 10 ай бұрын

izanagi is my favorite exotic on the knetic slot outside of outbreak and d1 mytho, i guess you know where my oppinion sits regarding of which dps meta was my favorite

@chaosdogma4259 6 ай бұрын

I remember the days when you would shoot a rocket at the ground right under the boss’s feet and the cluster bombs would give it crazy damage

@turtleturt27 10 ай бұрын

Its pretty crazy everytime i hear something considered “old” and going “wait i did that!” I’m finally aging xd. I’ll give a sub for the cool calculations.

@garlos5074 10 ай бұрын

Hi aegis,ur vids are insane. 2man vog is fun

@Wordonko 10 ай бұрын

man this makes me miss all the fun metas we had

@doctorgoose7 8 ай бұрын

The scientific mind you demonstrated in constructing this video is amazing. Please keep it up.

@epcrane8544 10 ай бұрын

who is going to tell him about the new crafting glitch?

@GavdogD2 10 ай бұрын

Great video! Do you think you could add how long a each boss dps phase lasts on the boss section of the spreadsheet?

@TheAegisRelic 10 ай бұрын

I might

@ThtSunbreaker 10 ай бұрын

Oppressive darkness + lucent blades on falling guillotine was god tier

@artes9222 10 ай бұрын

The way you pronounce Cold Comfort is so satisfying

@BloodlustParadox 10 ай бұрын

Anarchy and 1k/fusion rifle meta were nutty

@9minty 10 ай бұрын

do you have a video planned for crota's end dps, or one that covers dps on some options like surrounded bequest and the cataphract?

@TheAegisRelic 10 ай бұрын

Yep wait for tomorrow

@9minty 10 ай бұрын

@@TheAegisRelic the 🐐

@ianthewizard7924 9 ай бұрын

You’re gonna need to add the craftening to this list

@Spartan-sz7km 10 ай бұрын

This is nostalgia in a video

@SlasherSRL 10 ай бұрын

Just wondering if you ever checked the original whisper of the worm dmg. Obv the total dmg is infinite so was just curious how it would have played out

@TheAegisRelic 10 ай бұрын

Couldn't find great reference numbers but it's decent not mindblowing

@KhaoticKatarin 10 ай бұрын

Did you forget that at the time of Double Slugarchy Vorpal was a solid buff across the board?

@sharkster9548 10 ай бұрын

I wish I was there when triple GL swap was a thing man that shit looks so fucking fun to do 😭

@ebonmoose 10 ай бұрын

Offended the goat lament wasn’t in this. Truly such a awesome and epic sword, I remember shredding atrax nonstop

@TheAegisRelic 10 ай бұрын

Not a universally strong damage option

@soraneptune4178 10 ай бұрын

Any chance we could get a deeper dive of sword dps choices in video form ?

@TheAegisRelic 10 ай бұрын

I've talked about it extensively on stream and other content creators have used my data to make videos but if it's really in high demand I might

@andohbernard8846 10 ай бұрын

Right before sunset. Trophy Hunter vorpal triple tap was the shit

@Couchwrecker 10 ай бұрын

Sorta weird how so many different buffs made it into this video except warlock empower melee was excluded.

@TheAegisRelic 10 ай бұрын

I was bound to miss something :sob:

@Bonker_Edits_ 9 ай бұрын

What about the well um, retrofit escapade x shotgun glitch, does like 1.2 billion dmg per mag

@antisocialkid2107 10 ай бұрын

GS w Stareater then quick swap to luckypants malfeasance with recon bipod apex is one of my favorites

@ZOMBIESrEMO_Official 10 ай бұрын

This video needs to be updated

@TheAegisRelic 10 ай бұрын

Hahaha

@imjlu 10 ай бұрын

Wasn't Thunderlord pretty passable way, way back in Forsaken before they nerfed MG boss damage, when Lunafactions continuously reloaded? I remember it ate a pretty fat nerf, and other options weren't that great back then. It was probably notably better than circa-RoN Thunderlord at least.

@TheAegisRelic 10 ай бұрын

Passable yes but noteworthy no

@JuanRamirez-ch9pm 10 ай бұрын

Wake up babe, new Aegis video

@MadKingIII 10 ай бұрын

Syntho/Wormgods swapping and the peregrine ledge tech would have made some of those later ones so gross with Banner of War

@TheAegisRelic 10 ай бұрын

For real

@mabaxb 10 ай бұрын

The piss break really paid off

@OperatorSadge 10 ай бұрын

Aegis has quickly become a combination of Ehroar numbers and builds, and Datto “new vid new personality for the month”

@I_AM_VERRUCKT 10 ай бұрын

Jesus Christ the last two are beyond lore accurate

@eleven8402 10 ай бұрын

what about 2-4 punch when you could stack 2 one-two punch shotguns(also when you could have wormgod's carress x5 and swap to synthos)

@NDWarrior 10 ай бұрын

A BANGER

@SwoleakhulTheBlind 10 ай бұрын

I guess power creep when it comes to dps rotations isn’t that bad seeing all these crazy options from the past 😅

@eyesoftomorrow6647 10 ай бұрын

One weak after we get this video we now have a shift in the list lol

@lucaszwingmann695 10 ай бұрын

If u run izy, gl, apex rotation isnt empty vessel better than wilderflight cuz u get the solar surges for it aswell ?

@TheAegisRelic 10 ай бұрын

Nah double fire frame is more, check my DPS Decoded series for numbers

@lucaszwingmann695 10 ай бұрын

@@TheAegisRelic alright thanks mate

@shaunmacready701 10 ай бұрын

Your fhe absolute pinnacle of DPS testing. Your like the esoterickk of DPS

@deadclicks 10 ай бұрын

Man I miss the s14 slug/gl/anarchy meta

@raiou5010 10 ай бұрын

What did you place in the world for CE Challenge?

@TheAegisRelic 10 ай бұрын

54 I think

@Tayuro 10 ай бұрын

i wanna see aegis reaction when he figured out hammer dmg could have been so high

@ttonic2080 10 ай бұрын

I miss the swarm days in the menagerie

@snail3409 10 ай бұрын

Did you add the vortex chunk to the s11 guillotine numbers?

@TheAegisRelic 10 ай бұрын

I accounted for vortex changes since then yes

@realjevans 10 ай бұрын

there would be no way for him to quantify the massive chunking that guillotine did.

@di11onm1nkgaming 10 ай бұрын

Ikelos shotgun was the strongest dps meta in the game. The difference was infinite buff stacking meant you could get like a 1000% damage increase (assuming hammer 1 shot bonk doesn’t count)

@TheAegisRelic 10 ай бұрын

It'd probably still rank somewhere in the middle of this list

@di11onm1nkgaming 10 ай бұрын

@@TheAegisRelic well if you apply infinite buff stacking to other things yes, but I doubt any weapon in the game rn could go back to someone like val and kill him in .3s not even coil could do that

@blufferoniandcheese3628 10 ай бұрын

okay, imagine retrofit with old volatile rounds, old lunafaction, old divinity, well, old tractor+deadfall stacked, and witherhoard. your dps would be so ridiculous if you had the smallest possible magazine on retrofit

@faithofdestiny1557 10 ай бұрын

interesting how you started playing post beyond light, havent heard of many players like that, especially during beyond light, considering ALOT of people thought the game was dramatic atp in time